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Post by erikson on May 5, 2017 4:36:51 GMT
SO what you are saying is that you don't praise the sun? Bella Luna is my mistress...so...
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 5, 2017 4:39:24 GMT
SO what you are saying is that you don't praise the sun? Lolz. It's just a joke. Don't worry it.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 5, 2017 4:40:39 GMT
When I play ME2, primarily the thing I look forward to most are some of the loyalty missions, like Mordin's and Grunt's, and LotSB, which will always be one of the best things in the entire trilogy for me. Save for Zaeed and Kasumi's loyalty missions, the other DLC content are kind of eh…Arrival is important so I always play that, but it's kind of mediocre when you really think about its story. That's all it has. The level design is atrociously lazy. There's no effort to make the levels feel like they occupy a larger whole. And I played it 6 times, but I'm just saying, when it come to levels, BioWare is among the worst I've played. And they still haven't figured it out. There's something oddly surreal about the way ME2's levels are designed. It's like Shepard is in a dream, because the corridors make all of the environments seem ridiculously shallow. ME3 was a huge improvement, but ME1 was the only one that really felt like a big environment, at least until this one.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 5, 2017 4:41:11 GMT
I feel like you must not be that familiar with Sci-Fi as a genre. The Mass Effect OT is not a stunning gem of originality. It's pretty derivative.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 5, 2017 4:42:17 GMT
I feel like you must not be that familiar with Sci-Fi as a genre. The Mass Effect OT is not a stunning gem of originality. It's pretty derivative. Some of it is pretty blatant about it too. The rachni are basically the formics, and the geth are the cylons. I guess it's more fun to say it's an homage, but…well there it is.
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Post by themikefest on May 5, 2017 4:42:21 GMT
I've played ME1 50 times over the last ten years. Cool. I have over 50 playthroughs.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 5, 2017 4:42:24 GMT
Nobody does. And BioWare are crazy brave for trying to figure it all out. I agree and the fans kick them in the teeth each time they try. I am to the point that I wish BioWare would do what other developers seem to do easily. Ignore their fanbase, for I think part of the problem I had with Andromeda is they tried to do too much to clear the checklist of "things that Mass Effect needs according to the BSN". These are still the unofficial forums. Right? I thought Bioware closed the official ones because of blah, blah, blah...
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 5, 2017 4:44:27 GMT
Lolz. It's just a joke. Don't worry it.
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Post by Exile Isan on May 5, 2017 4:53:46 GMT
Cool. I have over 50 playthroughs. I was surprised it was that high when I counted them up, to be honest. I probably have more of ME2 than that, though.
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Post by erikson on May 5, 2017 4:55:05 GMT
I feel like you must not be that familiar with Sci-Fi as a genre. The Mass Effect OT is not a stunning gem of originality. It's pretty derivative. To be fair, most genre based content is the same. Star Wars is a Frankenstein monster of different derivative sources.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 4:55:26 GMT
I feel like you must not be that familiar with Sci-Fi as a genre. The Mass Effect OT is not a stunning gem of originality. It's pretty derivative. Some of it is pretty blatant about it too. The rachni are basically the formics, and the geth are the cylons. I guess it's more fun to say it's an homage, but…well there it is. Play Star Wars: Republic Commando and you'll see where the Collectors buzzing around shooting particle beams and the interior of the Collector Ship/Base came from.
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Post by themikefest on May 5, 2017 4:57:34 GMT
I was surprised it was that high when I counted them up, to be honest. I probably have more of ME2. I have more with ME2, and even more with ME3.
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Post by Sanunes on May 5, 2017 5:00:51 GMT
I agree and the fans kick them in the teeth each time they try. I am to the point that I wish BioWare would do what other developers seem to do easily. Ignore their fanbase, for I think part of the problem I had with Andromeda is they tried to do too much to clear the checklist of "things that Mass Effect needs according to the BSN". These are still the unofficial forums. Right? I thought Bioware closed the official ones because of blah, blah, blah... Right, but they were open during a good portion of development and there were plenty of threads after Mass Effect 3 from backseat developers that told BioWare what they needed to do to make a good game.
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Post by erikson on May 5, 2017 5:03:26 GMT
I feel like you must not be that familiar with Sci-Fi as a genre. The Mass Effect OT is not a stunning gem of originality. It's pretty derivative. Some of it is pretty blatant about it too. The rachni are basically the formics, and the geth are the cylons. I guess it's more fun to say it's an homage, but…well there it is. And the Cyclons are derivatives of Asimov, it's all a giant karmic wheel of idea stealing.
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Post by unwanted on May 5, 2017 5:07:23 GMT
Nope. ME 1 is far better than MEA in nearly every way. The only thing from MEA I wish I had in ME1 was the charge/melee opeions. The best thing MEA did was make me want to ME 1 again, which I am. And loving every moment of it far more than the drudgery of MEA. Never a truer word. I'm also back playing ME1 after the tiring dredge through MEA. ME1 might me old but by gawd it knocks the socks of MEA, I am totally into the characters and world of MA1 were as I was always a bored spectator when playing MEA. What is needed is far more praise for ME1, it sodding well deserves it.
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Post by malgus on May 5, 2017 5:07:43 GMT
Well I did not read everything that was wrote since the beginning, so maybe this point has already been discussed. What I could say about ME 1, why it was praise so much and his flaws were forgotten was because it came out at a time where games could get away without a story, we were barely in the seventh generation consoles, we were in a time where it was totally ok for an fps to have mute protagonists with no personality whatsoever, it was actually the norm for fps. So when ME 1 came out it was something spectacular because a game that was so narrative, that was pushing the story that far, that was something impressive and that is the reason why it was ctitically acclaimed, we did not see something like that at time. A combination of a tps with an rpg system and a very good story, it might not have been the very first to do it, but it was among the most popular and it was also very influential for the years come. When I first discovered mass effect, I was done with the freaking gamecube and not much narrative games because I did not had the money to buy a lot of them (concentrated on metroid prime and mario kart games). So back then, I witnessed a game that pushed the narrative beyond what was done at the time. Right now, mass effect 1 suffer the "Seinfield is unfunny" tropes, it was impressive back in the day but right now since so many games that pushed narratives has come out and refine the formula, well mass effect 1 is much less impressive compare to what we got. Ill leave the link here : tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeinfeldIsUnfunnyNOW THAT SAID, it does not mean that the people should have forgotten his MANY PROBLEMS and flaws at the time. The combat system was terrible, the AI was the stupidest (both ennemy and ally), the cover system was certainly not good, and the side quests... While some side quests were good, like the arms dealer quest on the citadel, a lot of them were freaking boring, for some of them you had your story reward, with a cinematic conversation at the end, it still meant you needed to go on multiple bases with the exact same architecture and the horrible combat that I talked before. But many of the quest had an ending where it was written in a square of text instead of you know, being shown on screen, I am not reading novel I am playing a cinematic video game. But since a lot of those quest were not implemented right, you had to forced yourself into other galaxy or solar system, verify each one of them for hacket to tell you what is going on there and know what to do. Since it was not on the way of your main story and you had to make extra efforts to find these quests, most people not only did not bother finishhing them, but they did not even bother looking for them so they had the impression that these quests did not even exists. When I first played mass effect, I was so impress by what I was seeing that I did not bother looking for the other quest. Its only after doing many paythroughts, when I started doing more exploration that I realise that once I left the main planet and the main quest, the universe was not that interesting especially for some quests (like picking up turian badge on the many planets or something like that). The repeating architecture did not started with dragon age 2, it was there since the first mass effect, if you go on a ship that was NOT the normandy, whatever it is the ship where a crazy girlfriend kill all her crew to keep her boyfriend in a catatonic state alive or dr saleon ship, they had all the same architecture. Same thing for a base on a planet, when you saw one, you have seen them all even if they are from cerberus, slaver, red sand dealer, biotics fanatics, all the freaking same. The dialogue system also had the so called "auto dialogue" people complained about in future ME, its just that to realize it, you needed to play ME1 multiple time and remember the line exactly for what it was back then. Some time the lines were all the same whatever you choose, and having a dialogue wheel every time was not practical because it broke the rythm, sometime for just one word of dialogue. Like a response of 3 words "what's happening joker?" should not require a dialogue wheel whatever you are renegade or paragon. Some middle dialogue also were sometime the same as the highest or the lowest, its just the game did not told you that, it made you believe you had 3 choices when in truth, sometime you had only 2 choice, and others you had none at all. In the end the first mass effect had tons of problems, its just that at the time where narrative was not as important, it made something so good (the story) and the flaws could be hidden enough for many people to not realise them in their first playthrought. And most people don't bother playing a game again once they finished it. I believe it deserve the praise because it pushed the narrative in the video game industry to a higher point. But as much as I love the first mass effect, at the same time ME 1 made story in video game more important than ever, the game had HUGE problems that many people forgot and these flaws were not small.
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Post by Element Zero on May 5, 2017 5:15:50 GMT
Stop praising ME1? Why would we do that?! If you'd said, "Stop with the ridiculous comparisons to MEA", I'd be on board. I've seen people claim that ME1 looks better than MEA, for instance. That borders on certifiable lunacy, which I could see before playing this game in UHD+HDR. Still, foolish claims of lunatics don't make ME1 less worthy of praise. It's one of my favorite games of all time, and the game that launched my most beloved gaming IP. I'll always sing it's praises. (No offense was intended to any lunatics who've posted in this thread. I've not read a single post beyond the OP. Taste is subjective, and may cause some to say things that fly in the face of measurable facts. )
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Post by Element Zero on May 5, 2017 5:23:46 GMT
I was surprised it was that high when I counted them up, to be honest. I probably have more of ME2. I have more with ME2, and even more with ME3. I have over 70 complete PTs of ME1. The total declines with each game, as single PTs turned into multi-game/trilogy PTs. I've played the hell out of these games, in any case. I generally just assume I've played more than the most other persons, unless I'm speaking with you.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 5, 2017 5:39:19 GMT
I forgot about the crazy allied AI. When I was on Feros, I couldn't stop Ashley and Kaidan from running way ahead to fight those krogan in the room with the geth signal jammer. It was ridiculous. They'd just rush on ahead and I just sat back and listened to them die.
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Post by Sailears on May 5, 2017 5:41:14 GMT
I first played it in 2011 and stopped after about 5h because it just wasn't fun and I didn't play it again until 2014 when I finally decided to play the trilogy. There's your answer. I bought an xbox to play it on release, and tbh that year there was only Bioshock and Halo 3. Yes the controls were clunky on console but at the time it was the best sci-fi game I had ever played. ME2 took all that was good about ME1 and threw it out the window... instead turning into a Michael Bay type action film with a joke of a story and the only saving grace being a few of the characters and the combat (I'm any case the neutering of biotics was bad). I personally don't get all the praise for ME2 as in my opinion it is by far the worst game in the series (it's still a good game but it does not do justice to the setup that ME1 gave it and is also the reason for ME3 having to cover so many plot points in one game).
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Post by projectpatdc on May 5, 2017 5:46:06 GMT
The charcters in ME1 are wooden as hell, they are some of the most thinly written characters in any Bioware game I have played. None of them begin to pop and feel real to me until ME2. The fact that you and I disagree fundamentally on thise proves that it is not an objective statement, and a matter of personal attachment and preference. Also I can't judge any of the MT games alone before I play them as a trilogy. I have no idea how I would respond to any of them as a single gaming expereince. I do know I think the character writting ME1 sucks. To each their own. The characters in ME1 are real not exaggerated comic book, one liner spewing, attempting meme machine, childs who need Shepard/Ryder to solve all their mundane/idiotic/daddy issues. Wait, I thought every Mass Effect was about characters with Daddy Issues. They certainly all have human characteristic flaws
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Post by colfoley on May 5, 2017 6:01:40 GMT
I have more with ME2, and even more with ME3. I have over 70 complete PTs of ME1. The total declines with each game, as single PTs turned into multi-game/trilogy PTs. I've played the hell out of these games, in any case. I generally just assume I've played more than the most other persons, unless I'm speaking with you. Jesus Christ.
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Post by Element Zero on May 5, 2017 6:03:39 GMT
I have over 70 complete PTs of ME1. The total declines with each game, as single PTs turned into multi-game/trilogy PTs. I've played the hell out of these games, in any case. I generally just assume I've played more than the most other persons, unless I'm speaking with you. Jesus Christ. This is why I generally assume I've played more than anyone to whom I speak. I've played so many times that even the most minor scenes are indelibly etched into my brain, word-for-word.
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Post by colfoley on May 5, 2017 6:05:09 GMT
This is why I generally assume I've played more than anyone to whom I speak. I've played so many times that even the most minor scenes are indelibly etched into my brain, word-for-word. i think i have thirty ish...combined over three games. Out of curiosity how many do you see Andromeda getting?
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You mean that second rate corridor shooter? Lol. No. I said fans. Not third rate forum members with "Geralt" avatars. You need better heroes, kid. *Sips Ryncol* Oh, what about people who love Geralt and Shep equally, like me ?
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