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Post by linksocarina on May 5, 2017 21:15:23 GMT
Details will come out next week. EA is going to go over its earnings on the 9th. They expected to get three million and sales in the first few days, which would be between 30-50% of lifetime sales. So they were expecting to sell between six and ten million copies. I thought the expectations were too high before the game even came out. After playing it and seeing the reception it got, I doubt it will hit these numbers. It still won't be a financial failure for EA by any means though. Pretty much. I'm expecting them to hit the 3 million mark, maybe get to 4 million units total. For bioware it's par for the course. For mass effect, below expectations. For ea, likely the same but not effecting much in the long run.
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Post by suikoden on May 5, 2017 21:17:50 GMT
Oh it's thread again, with the usual suspects all present and correct. You included of course - but the difference between us is that when I post in a thread, there's actual content, while you take the Ryder dialogue wheel literally and post a snarky comment that adds nothing.
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Post by linksocarina on May 5, 2017 21:18:32 GMT
I feel the DA franchise is treated with much more respect than ME. Inquisition is their most successful game in the first week of launch, had various GoTY awards, and had pretty good reviews overall. It was much better than DA:II if you ask me and while it doesn't do what origins did so well it does well in moving the franchise in a new direction considering that franchise really never has been consistent game from game. Maybe it's just my love for the game, but I still feel EA/bioware take more care of it, especially since their more experienced team is the one working with that franchise while ME got the rookie team. I actually favor the DA franchise more than ME now because of it's success and it being treated well. After Dragon Age II was released 03/2011, the franchise hit an all-time low in terms of popularity and Mass Effect, riding high after the success of ME2, was considered the "class" of BioWare's franchise line-ups. Now, I really enjoyed the game, and have played multiple playthroughs, but the weaknesses were obvious in terms of re-used environments, spawning enemies, and a story that essentially crumbled in the third act. Even with its issues, BioWare still released two solid DLC's and initially committed to an "Exalted March" expansion in an attempt to expand of the Mage Vs Templar narrative. However, due the overall reception, the "Exalted March" expansion was cancelled and it was announced that efforts would be put into creating a new game instead. At this point, EA had every possibility to kill the franchise as the brand's momentum was pretty much stalled at that point. They had yet another opportunity to kill it when it was announced in 2013 that the game would be delayed a full year to add the different playable races to the game but they backed it as well. What resulted from this patience was BioWare's best selling release to date. You'd have to think that with the amount of money made by the Mass Effect franchise prior to the release of ME:A that, despite whatever sales projections they reach or not at this point, they would re-dedicate to the franchise like they did with Dragon Age. Its clear they needed more time to tighten the technical aspects of the game and hopefuly are given that opportunity with MEA 2 so that it doesn't get off on the wrong foot like ME:A because there is a lot to like about the game. One point to make, the exalted March dlc was cancelled due to the transition to the frostbite engine, according to bioware itself. Most of the dlc was reworked a bit into inquisitions early missions regarding the mage template conflict. Another tidbit, apparently Varric was going to die at the end of the dlc...so good thing it was never released
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on May 5, 2017 21:33:21 GMT
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Post by samhain444 on May 5, 2017 21:33:50 GMT
After Dragon Age II was released 03/2011, the franchise hit an all-time low in terms of popularity and Mass Effect, riding high after the success of ME2, was considered the "class" of BioWare's franchise line-ups. Now, I really enjoyed the game, and have played multiple playthroughs, but the weaknesses were obvious in terms of re-used environments, spawning enemies, and a story that essentially crumbled in the third act. Even with its issues, BioWare still released two solid DLC's and initially committed to an "Exalted March" expansion in an attempt to expand of the Mage Vs Templar narrative. However, due the overall reception, the "Exalted March" expansion was cancelled and it was announced that efforts would be put into creating a new game instead. At this point, EA had every possibility to kill the franchise as the brand's momentum was pretty much stalled at that point. They had yet another opportunity to kill it when it was announced in 2013 that the game would be delayed a full year to add the different playable races to the game but they backed it as well. What resulted from this patience was BioWare's best selling release to date. You'd have to think that with the amount of money made by the Mass Effect franchise prior to the release of ME:A that, despite whatever sales projections they reach or not at this point, they would re-dedicate to the franchise like they did with Dragon Age. Its clear they needed more time to tighten the technical aspects of the game and hopefuly are given that opportunity with MEA 2 so that it doesn't get off on the wrong foot like ME:A because there is a lot to like about the game. One point to make, the exalted March dlc was cancelled due to the transition to the frostbite engine, according to bioware itself. Most of the dlc was reworked a bit into inquisitions early missions regarding the mage template conflict. Another tidbit, apparently Varric was going to die at the end of the dlc...so good thing it was never released After reading some info, DA peeps justification appears to be in line with what you said. Perhaps that was BSN board speculation at that time. Either way, EA had a chance to either kill the franchise all together or give them the same amount of time and money to work with that they got with DA 2 and say "make it work" but they increased funding and gave them a longer development cycle. Hopefully, Mass Effect gets the same treatment.
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Post by linksocarina on May 5, 2017 21:40:16 GMT
One point to make, the exalted March dlc was cancelled due to the transition to the frostbite engine, according to bioware itself. Most of the dlc was reworked a bit into inquisitions early missions regarding the mage template conflict. Another tidbit, apparently Varric was going to die at the end of the dlc...so good thing it was never released After reading some info, DA peeps justification appears to be in line with what you said. Perhaps that was BSN board speculation at that time. Either way, EA had a chance to either kill the franchise all together or give them the same amount of time and money to work with that they got with DA 2 and say "make it work" but they increased funding and gave them a longer development cycle. Hopefully, Mass Effect gets the same treatment. It will. I don't foresee EA gutting one of their franchises at the moment like this. Even if they did, they will likely do a revival down the line anyway.
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Post by dm04 on May 5, 2017 21:50:30 GMT
No surprise. MEA is a flop when it comes to sales. And critics. And most fans. Proof? Unless you know "most fans" you can't claim that and the sales aren't definitive as no digital sales are counted. It may be slight lower than ME3 but not a failure. That is not how such things work . When making a survey, do you think they ask 7 billion people, or just 1000 and then make projections? When you know 10 people who are fans of ME and 9 do not like MEA, so it is "most", simple as that. And no, you do not always say "our projections/opinion is based on a representative survey among 100 people", such things are common knowledge.
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Post by samhain444 on May 5, 2017 21:53:12 GMT
After reading some info, DA peeps justification appears to be in line with what you said. Perhaps that was BSN board speculation at that time. Either way, EA had a chance to either kill the franchise all together or give them the same amount of time and money to work with that they got with DA 2 and say "make it work" but they increased funding and gave them a longer development cycle. Hopefully, Mass Effect gets the same treatment. It will. I don't foresee EA gutting one of their franchises at the moment like this. Even if they did, they will likely do a revival down the line anyway. Yeah, I think they make through the Archon/Primus/Kett storyline at least with DLCs bridging the gap between ME:A and ME:A 2. After that, I can see them maybe trying the Dragon Age formula and giving the option to play as a different race. How many years have people been wanting to play as a Krogan or Asari? Maybe something akin to DA:O with different respective origin stories...too much potential there in the right hands.
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Post by ShadowAngel on May 5, 2017 22:00:04 GMT
It will. I don't foresee EA gutting one of their franchises at the moment like this. Even if they did, they will likely do a revival down the line anyway. Yeah, I think they make through the Archon/Primus/Kett storyline at least with DLCs bridging the gap between ME:A and ME:A 2. After that, I can see them maybe trying the Dragon Age formula and giving the option to play as a different race. How many years have people been wanting to play as a Krogan or Asari? Maybe something akin to DA:O with different respective origin stories...too much potential there in the right hands. I raise my hand as one of those people wanting to play an Asari since ME3 concluded. Would be huge brownie points for me but it's not necessary as I don't mind being restricted to a human.
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Post by Rivercurse on May 5, 2017 22:03:59 GMT
^ Above two posts. Can't the MP scratch that particular itch for you? I've always seen Mass Effect as the story of humanity integrating with wider communities.
I think something intrinsic would be lost if you were playing it from another angle.
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Post by samhain444 on May 5, 2017 22:16:36 GMT
^ Above two posts. Can't the MP scratch that particular itch for you? I've always seen Mass Effect as the story of humanity integrating with wider communities. I think something intrinsic would be lost if you were playing it from another angle. No, I do it on MP but, again, just trying to look at the franchise from another angle. Mass Effect has always been a human-centric story so keeping that as its core wouldn't diminish its popularity with me but, if it was done right, I think it would interesting. Imagine, continuing the Krogan, Salarian, or Asari culture in the Andromeda galaxy and stories that could go with that...could be a fresh take.
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Post by erikson on May 5, 2017 22:29:30 GMT
So, I already bought it and don't want a refund. What's the point of this thread? Didn't realise every post had to relate to you personally! The internet has a "scroll" function - maybe you'd like to use it to scroll down to a different post that interests you? Hey, I'd like a standard rule on how many threads in this forum it is now illegal to ask questions in. Just a rough number?
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Post by erikson on May 5, 2017 22:30:51 GMT
In the context of this thread, OPs article shows MEA dropping below Horizon for April. You posted results for March. From a forum. Good sleuthing and comprehension! Lol. Failamundo! Well I did force you to sort of add 1 and 1 together to "get it". It seems I thought too highly of you.
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Post by griffith82 on May 5, 2017 22:43:06 GMT
Proof? Unless you know "most fans" you can't claim that and the sales aren't definitive as no digital sales are counted. It may be slight lower than ME3 but not a failure. That is not how such things work . When making a survey, do you think they ask 7 billion people, or just 1000 and then make projections? When you know 10 people who are fans of ME and 9 do not like MEA, so it is "most", simple as that. And no, you do not always say "our projections/opinion is based on a representative survey among 100 people", such things are common knowledge. Sorry no it doesn't work that way. When doing a survey yes you have a point they use a sample size but that is always noted. Here you simply can't claim that and sorry yes you do when you are making a claim about the game being a failure. You need real facts not biased views.
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Post by kleindropper on May 5, 2017 22:52:11 GMT
EA reports quarterly earnings on May 9th. We'll see if ME Andromeda makes a blip on their actuals vs. estimates.
(One caveat is that Andromeda dropped March 21st, only 9 days before the end of the last quarter.)
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 5, 2017 23:26:41 GMT
It will. I don't foresee EA gutting one of their franchises at the moment like this. Even if they did, they will likely do a revival down the line anyway. Yeah, I think they make through the Archon/Primus/Kett storyline at least with DLCs bridging the gap between ME:A and ME:A 2. After that, I can see them maybe trying the Dragon Age formula and giving the option to play as a different race. How many years have people been wanting to play as a Krogan or Asari? Maybe something akin to DA:O with different respective origin stories...too much potential there in the right hands. Missed potential on Bioware's part is the most glaring thing to me. I know they have to deal with EA, but EA has somehow figured out who needed to stay so they can get back to churning out yearly products. I'm also on my second playthrough and I cashed it in. I'm done. I got bored with it and knowing that the end will have little change this time around gives me ZERO incentive to keep slogging onward.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on May 5, 2017 23:41:00 GMT
Yeah, I think they make through the Archon/Primus/Kett storyline at least with DLCs bridging the gap between ME:A and ME:A 2. After that, I can see them maybe trying the Dragon Age formula and giving the option to play as a different race. How many years have people been wanting to play as a Krogan or Asari? Maybe something akin to DA:O with different respective origin stories...too much potential there in the right hands. Missed potential on Bioware's part is the most glaring thing to me. I know they have to deal with EA, but EA has somehow figured out who needed to stay so they can get back to churning out yearly products. I'm also on my second playthrough and I cashed it in. I'm done. I got bored with it and knowing that the end will have little change this time around gives me ZERO incentive to keep slogging onward. There is no change in the ending either for ME1 after the first PT and yet it can be replayed numerous times. So it's not about knowing the ending, it's the journey, the companions, the world of ME that engaged the player totally. The enemy that finally revealed itself to the player as something beyond ordinary. Most people walk away from the story feeling rewarded / victory / satisfaction for overcoming the odds.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 6, 2017 2:45:25 GMT
So, I already bought it and don't want a refund. What's the point of this thread? The point is that the game is bad and you should feel ashamed for liking it. Take your medecine like a good dissobedient child. I think I'm going to continue to like it. If I had to hazard a guess, I'll probably like it more after we get some DLC. It's got flaws, and I see plenty of them. I still like the game. I wonder if the game had simply been titled "Journey to Andromeda" (or something like that, but no mention of ME) if people would have felt the same way about it.
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Post by erikson on May 6, 2017 2:51:30 GMT
The point is that the game is bad and you should feel ashamed for liking it. Take your medecine like a good dissobedient child. I think I'm going to continue to like it. If I had to hazard a guess, I'll probably like it more after we get some DLC. It's got flaws, and I see plenty of them. I still like the game. I wonder if the game had simply been titled "Journey to Andromeda" (or something like that, but no mention of ME) if people would have felt the same way about it. We are in agreement.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 6, 2017 2:52:24 GMT
Proof? Unless you know "most fans" you can't claim that and the sales aren't definitive as no digital sales are counted. It may be slight lower than ME3 but not a failure. That is not how such things work . When making a survey, do you think they ask 7 billion people, or just 1000 and then make projections? When you know 10 people who are fans of ME and 9 do not like MEA, so it is "most", simple as that. And no, you do not always say "our projections/opinion is based on a representative survey among 100 people", such things are common knowledge. In my personal life, I know three other people that play MEA (and also played the OT). They all seem to like it. NONE OF THEM read any reviews or look at message boards. Some random people I've met have learned that I love Mass Effect. Their responses have always been "me, too!" Now, obviously that's all anecdotal, but I mostly just see people build on their existing hatred stemming from the ME3 endings. The same people who hated that seem to hate MEA. (Also anecdotal and almost certainly not entirely true. Just something I've observed in a number of people here and on the old BSN since I started posting early last year.)
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Post by Eterna on May 6, 2017 3:03:34 GMT
Proof? Unless you know "most fans" you can't claim that and the sales aren't definitive as no digital sales are counted. It may be slight lower than ME3 but not a failure. That is not how such things work . When making a survey, do you think they ask 7 billion people, or just 1000 and then make projections? When you know 10 people who are fans of ME and 9 do not like MEA, so it is "most", simple as that. And no, you do not always say "our projections/opinion is based on a representative survey among 100 people", such things are common knowledge. But everyone I know who has played it likes it a lot, the only people who I know that dont are you salty bastards on the internet.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 6, 2017 3:03:44 GMT
It will. I don't foresee EA gutting one of their franchises at the moment like this. Even if they did, they will likely do a revival down the line anyway. Yeah, I think they make through the Archon/Primus/Kett storyline at least with DLCs bridging the gap between ME:A and ME:A 2. After that, I can see them maybe trying the Dragon Age formula and giving the option to play as a different race. How many years have people been wanting to play as a Krogan or Asari? Maybe something akin to DA:O with different respective origin stories...too much potential there in the right hands. Any Mass Effect game with race options in single player is very likely to stick to the big 3, being humans, asari and turians. There's little hope for races like salarians and krogan, because with the first 3, there are already 4 separate VO's between them, which is about the same as Inquisition's 4 race selection. Krogan alone would bring that up to 6, since they can't piggyback vocals.
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Post by erikson on May 6, 2017 3:05:55 GMT
That is not how such things work . When making a survey, do you think they ask 7 billion people, or just 1000 and then make projections? When you know 10 people who are fans of ME and 9 do not like MEA, so it is "most", simple as that. And no, you do not always say "our projections/opinion is based on a representative survey among 100 people", such things are common knowledge. But everyone I know who has played it likes it a lot, the only people who I know that dont are you salty bastards on the internet. You and your friends don't exist. You are a figment of your own imagination.
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Post by erikson on May 6, 2017 3:07:24 GMT
Yeah, I think they make through the Archon/Primus/Kett storyline at least with DLCs bridging the gap between ME:A and ME:A 2. After that, I can see them maybe trying the Dragon Age formula and giving the option to play as a different race. How many years have people been wanting to play as a Krogan or Asari? Maybe something akin to DA:O with different respective origin stories...too much potential there in the right hands. Any Mass Effect game with race options in single player is very likely to stick to the big 3, being humans, asari and turians. There's little hope for races like salarians and krogan, because with the first 3, there are already 4 separate VO's between them, which is about the same as Inquisition's 4 race selection. Krogan alone would bring that up to 6, since they can't piggyback vocals. waaaah! No Rachni? Why can't I be a giant disgusting bug having weird bug sex with all my crew? What is the cause of Bioware's Entomophobia???
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Post by KaiserShep on May 6, 2017 3:13:43 GMT
Dragon Age gets away with this easier because their races are essentially just humans and an assortment of pointy or square-shaped humans, and on top of that, are always restricted to 4.
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