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Post by lennybusker on May 6, 2017 3:04:29 GMT
Now presenting the Patch 1.05 Combo Damage Table! Hopefully this remains relevant for at least a week or so. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jWfWiZyng5hcywFdpvnjA48sud4CPCyRwSmQeDBrqjE/edit#gid=0General Explanation: There are 3 classes of primer and 3 classes of detonator, which I call Light, Medium, and Heavy. These combine into 9 different combo damage values. Some of the combos are lower damage than others because they have extra effects or DOTs. Extra info about the damage pools: Right now (patch 1.05) the match host's single player difficulty setting determines ALL base combo damage in the game (affects all players present). As an example, here are the biotic combo values:
EDIT: Several other mechanics are dependent on your SP difficulty setting as well! So far it's: combo damage, armor DR, player shield gate invulnerability time, and possibly others. More testing to confirm.
| Biotic Detonations | Heavy Detonator | Medium Detonator | Light Detonator | | Insanity | 350 | 262.5 | 175 | | Hardcore | 315 | 236.25 | 157.5 | | Normal | 275 | 206.25 | 137.5 |
(Narrative difficulty is the same as Normal) There is a to do list there, because while I'm pretty sure about the multipliers for shields and armor, I haven't tested them as extensively as I did against HP. If I find anything groundbreaking I'll update the whole caboodle, but for now I'm content with a note. Hat tips to peddroelm , aryantes , capn233 , huntedhunt , /u/TherionMEC and /u/SRKm00b from reddit for testing and providing data. |
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Post by lennybusker on May 6, 2017 3:32:07 GMT
DAMAGE POOLS ARE TIED TO SINGLE PLAYER DIFFICULTY SETTING.SP on Normal: HP, 1494024566, 196.842, 8B2B7CA0, 825.000, 825.000, 775.000, -50.000 Throw HP, 1494024566, 197.208, 8B2B7CA0, 825.000, 825.000, 575.000, -250.000 Impact HP, 1494024567, 197.340, 8B2B7CA0, 825.000, 825.000, 665.000, -160.000 Energy Drain HP, 1494024567, 197.341, 8B2B7CA0, 825.000, 825.000, 550.000, -275.000 Combo SP on Insanity: HP, 1494041334, 224.569, 956CBC10, 825.000, 825.000, 775.000, -50.000 Throw HP, 1494041335, 224.869, 956CBC10, 825.000, 825.000, 575.000, -250.000 Impact HP, 1494041335, 225.068, 956CBC10, 825.000, 825.000, 665.000, -160.000 Energy Drain HP, 1494041335, 225.070, 956CBC10, 825.000, 825.000, 475.000, -350.000 Combo www.reddit.com/r/MECoOp/comments/69g16m/combo_damage_testers_needed/dh6zu4u/
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Post by crashsuit on May 6, 2017 4:00:49 GMT
What happens when someone's never played SP?
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Post by peddroelm on May 6, 2017 4:03:04 GMT
What happens when someone's never played SP? default difficulty is ..X |
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Post by Bzilla024 on May 6, 2017 4:05:41 GMT
What happens when someone's never played SP? They don't have to go to a therapist to discuss how they feel dead inside because their beloved franchise that they cherish and love so much just plowed them in the arse and didn't even take them out to dinner first? tl;dr - they live a better life |
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Post by akots on May 6, 2017 4:07:12 GMT
It just cannot be serious, no, no, oh my, oh-oh. I guess everyone rushes and sets their difficulty to insanity. Before it is patched.
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Post by Miaoven Winter on May 6, 2017 4:10:48 GMT
...holy shit, Biower. That's just...fuck.
So will a switch to Insanity on any save file immediately carry over into MP? Or is there a necessity to have selected Insanity from New Game start, without switching at any point?
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Post by lennybusker on May 6, 2017 4:12:17 GMT
...holy shit, Biower. That's just...fuck. So will a switch to Insanity on any save file immediately carry over into MP? Or is there a necessity to have selected Insanity from New Game start, without switching at any point? I'm deep in my playthrough on SP which began on Normal, just switched to Insanity and then went to MP via the menu. Got the change. |
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Post by Pearl on May 6, 2017 4:13:12 GMT
Wow. Props for figuring it out.
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Post by peddroelm on May 6, 2017 4:14:00 GMT
Guys - the differences are pretty tiny regardless. I bet you won't "feel" any improvement on gold past maybe placebo.
But is was puzzling for us to figure it out. We like consistent/repeatable/explainable behavior ..
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Post by Miaoven Winter on May 6, 2017 4:14:45 GMT
...holy shit, Biower. That's just...fuck. So will a switch to Insanity on any save file immediately carry over into MP? Or is there a necessity to have selected Insanity from New Game start, without switching at any point? I'm deep in my playthrough on SP which began on Normal, just switched to Insanity and then went to MP via the menu. Got the change. Much thanks. Will be interesting to see if BW caught this on their end in time for this upcoming patch, or if we'll be stuck with this mechanic for the foreseeable future. |
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Post by Bzilla024 on May 6, 2017 4:22:05 GMT
Guys - the differences are pretty tiny regardless. I bet you won't "feel" any improvement on gold past maybe placebo. But is was puzzling for us to figure it out. We like consistent/repeatable/explainable behavior .. Even if you didn't spec into a lot of the combo damage bonuses on certain evos and went for faster cooldowns etc and then respecced into all damage bonuses after switching to insanity mode? |
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Post by lennybusker on May 6, 2017 4:27:07 GMT
I'm deep in my playthrough on SP which began on Normal, just switched to Insanity and then went to MP via the menu. Got the change. Much thanks. Will be interesting to see if BW caught this on their end in time for this upcoming patch, or if we'll be stuck with this mechanic for the foreseeable future. I'm almost certain, barring a major rework, that we will keep the light/medium/heavy mechanic even if they fix the difficulty scaling. Which means people should consider in their builds whether or not they're getting "strong" or "weak" combos. |
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Post by crashsuit on May 6, 2017 4:30:38 GMT
What happens when someone's never played SP? They don't have to go to a therapist to discuss how they feel dead inside because their beloved franchise that they cherish and love so much just plowed them in the arse and didn't even take them out to dinner first? tl;dr - they live a better life Hope I didn't imply that I thought anything like that, I actually really like the campaign, it's just a scenario that immediately occurred to me that wasn't covered by the OP. |
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Post by Bzilla024 on May 6, 2017 4:33:47 GMT
Even if this is a minimal damage increase by switching to insanity, it will still help kill baddies quicker which in result means less time grinding for my shitty Ushior that I will indefinitely max out before ever seeing a BW I.
You guys deserve some of the stickiest of the icky and the finest bottle of wine Boone's Farm has to offer. Screw that good wine, you need to spend that money on the dank herb.
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Post by Bzilla024 on May 6, 2017 4:35:53 GMT
They don't have to go to a therapist to discuss how they feel dead inside because their beloved franchise that they cherish and love so much just plowed them in the arse and didn't even take them out to dinner first? tl;dr - they live a better life Hope I didn't imply that I thought anything like that, I actually really like the campaign, it's just a scenario that immediately occurred to me that wasn't covered by the OP. I was just being a smart ass.  I don't mind the SP because for all it's faults I like the combat and it looks pretty. I'm a simple man. |
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Post by Kenny Bania on May 6, 2017 4:46:44 GMT
WTF?????????????
How is this even possible?
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Post by hardcoresalmon on May 6, 2017 4:49:44 GMT
Changing your difficulty will not necessary give you more damage, the game works off the host. So the host needs to have his game to insanity for the damage increase to work.
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Post by akots on May 6, 2017 4:52:34 GMT
WTF????????????? How is this even possible? One hypothetical possibility is that some intern was responsible for this part of the combos and actually did a good job, they do scale with difficulty. So, technically speaking, there is nothing wrong with them combos. Wrong difficulty, not his/her fault. Probably reported as working as intended and everything is peachy, even got some bonus paycheck for job well done.  Now, weapons with focus in DAIMP, that is another story. I'm still puzzled at finding any explanation for that. Especially considering it was never fixed. |
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Post by riotinducer on May 6, 2017 5:07:58 GMT
Wow, I honestly didn't think we'd manage to top shotguns vs shieldgate as the most bizarre bug/design decision in this game, but here it is.
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Post by niroz on May 6, 2017 5:20:39 GMT
Damn - Shockwave detonation is weak AF.
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Post by kalil on May 6, 2017 5:23:04 GMT
Wow. This bug is just staggering amounts of silly. I wonder if my manifest in DAIMP is somehow connected to the headshot multiplayer.
Biowar pls. Hire actual coders and testers. This is beyond ridiculous.
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Post by pishach on May 6, 2017 5:49:46 GMT
Silliness overloaded, overflown, overwhelming. Must ... hold .... can't :smh:
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Post by bjorndadwarf on May 6, 2017 6:27:31 GMT
Seriously, for everyone who worked on figuring this out, nice work. That's a gnarly thing to track down, and you nailed it within a couple of days (or less?) of discovering it.
And this does seem to take the cake (so far) as the weirdest thing in MP.
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