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Post by KaiserShep on May 8, 2017 16:39:39 GMT
The thing that I love? Ya know that somebody is piloting the Hyperion, right? Ya know they have a window at the very least, and several instruments at the most? Ya know how they hit scourge, right? HOW? I imagine that if you have a ship several times larger than an aircraft carrier traveling several miles per second (at least) and there's an energy field that interferes with sensor data, actually moves through space and disrupts/destroys solid matter obstructing its flight path, bad things will happen. This is not presented as well as it should have been, since BioWare has a bad habit of making space bright with tons of space clouds everywhere, but something like the scourge should be nigh invisible most of the time. It's sort of like the arguments people had in the past on the old forums about why the Normandy was bright white despite being a "stealth" craft (camouflage is meaningless in space). |
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Post by KaiserShep on May 8, 2017 16:42:53 GMT
I associate "FTL" with movement so I imagine some kind of oversized telescope that flies through the air. I mean... ah, how is it going to work? Speed of light is what determines how we see when we see it due to the natural order of things. FTL is a fictional science fact but their reason for it is that by decreasing the weight of something it can basically go through an almost intra-dimensional tunnel and thereby cheat science. An FTL telescope is just a telescope of some sort. What is it that moves through the air that grabs the information ahead of speed of light so a naked human eye or Geth CPU can read it within mere seconds? The whole concept is just a big non-sequitur. Well, "FTL" could apply to any signal sent through the mass-free corridor that gets reflected back by any celestial bodies in the signal's path. I mean, we're already getting way into the fantastical here with the corridor itself, so adding a bit more scifi gobbledegook isn't very unreasonable here. |
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Post by lgp22 on May 8, 2017 16:43:28 GMT
Windows are structural weaknesses. The Humans do not use them. Conspiracy Mode Activated:
What if the Geth also had a secret Ark of their own and the Humans Accidentally swapped Arks with them because the Geth Ark was structurally stronger? That would explain why Captain Dunn decided to not do her job and fly right into a Scourgefield. dude...no. Do you not understand the the ship was on auto pilot when they his the scurge. No one was on the deck yet. Added this is something that is constantly move and expanding that messes with equipment sensors. Uh no. They hit the scourge after Lexi was done examining Ryder. There were already a few people on the bridge, including Captain Dunn & Alec Ryder. Also you see the scourge outside the window when Ryder & Cora walks in. |
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Post by kumazan on May 8, 2017 16:51:00 GMT
dude...no. Do you not understand the the ship was on auto pilot when they his the scurge. No one was on the deck yet. Added this is something that is constantly move and expanding that messes with equipment sensors. Uh no. They hit the scourge after Lexi was done examining Ryder. There were already a few people on the bridge, including Captain Dunn & Alec Ryder. Also you see the scourge outside the window when Ryder & Cora walks in. The Scourge is hard to detect, and it moves, so it could hit the Hyperion even if it wasn't moving at all. |
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Post by KaiserShep on May 8, 2017 16:51:02 GMT
And then we launched the Andromeda Initiative. "We're going to be the first in Andromeda everybody. It'll only take 600 years! Never mind how we aquired those pictures in 24 hours!" Exactly! Once I heard the scan before they left, the floating rocks were passe. Sad thing is planets don't really change viability that much in 2 million years. At least ours didn't. They could have just used realistic measurements. But this conversation opens another can of worms regarding science, logic and the writing. I got the impression that the entire cluster was basically on "remnant life support", since there wouldn't be much reason for there to be vaults on each major world unless they were not naturally viable. |
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Post by Space Cowboy on May 8, 2017 16:57:01 GMT
Exactly! Once I heard the scan before they left, the floating rocks were passe. Sad thing is planets don't really change viability that much in 2 million years. At least ours didn't. They could have just used realistic measurements. But this conversation opens another can of worms regarding science, logic and the writing. I got the impression that the entire cluster was basically on "remnant life support", since there wouldn't be much reason for there to be vaults on each major world unless they were not naturally viable. I don't know the time line of the remnant. Scans on habitat 7 suggest all the ruins are 400 years old. This post dates the alleged scans from 600 years ago. That said I've only played the 10 hour demo. Feel free to correct me with lore from later in the game. Others might appreciate spoiler tags if you do. |
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Post by dreman999 on May 8, 2017 17:20:56 GMT
dude...no. Do you not understand the the ship was on auto pilot when they his the scurge. No one was on the deck yet. Added this is something that is constantly move and expanding that messes with equipment sensors. Uh no. They hit the scourge after Lexi was done examining Ryder. There were already a few people on the bridge, including Captain Dunn & Alec Ryder. Also you see the scourge outside the window when Ryder & Cora walks in. dude. No, just because they were waking ryder does not mean the ship was off of auto pilot yet. The ship was still flying on it's own. They did not take it off on till after it hit.there were a few people on the bridge because they came there first not because they were there before the score hit. |
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Post by dreman999 on May 8, 2017 17:29:30 GMT
Someone had this script in their lap for more than 3 years during production or different iterations of it and nobody decided it wasn't dumb enough so they had to rewrite it? Whe--Wh--HOW? WHYYY? It's stuff like that that creates ominous thoughts in my head saying that BioWare actually didn't know half of these problems existed until people pointed it out after shipping the game :S I couldn't get past the geth telescope. The hyperion was staffed on the bridge when it hit the scourge. It happened when Ryder was thawed and being asked to report to the bridge. Someone else said it was still.on auto but nope. it's not just a telescope. It was a retrofitted mass relay. We long knew the anything shot from a mass relay install get to it's location with no delay.so it not bs that a mass relay can be used like teleacope. Added you're missing some facts about the scourge it's not something that that just sits still in space it moves and it's attracted to mass effect drives and cores. It later pointed out and shown to do so. Added just because people were there does not mean autopilot was turned off. |
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Post by dreman999 on May 8, 2017 17:32:04 GMT
I associate "FTL" with movement so I imagine some kind of oversized telescope that flies through the air. I mean... ah, how is it going to work? Speed of light is what determines how we see when we see it due to the natural order of things. FTL is a fictional science fact but their reason for it is that by decreasing the weight of something it can basically go through an almost intra-dimensional tunnel and thereby cheat science. An FTL telescope is just a telescope of some sort. What is it that moves through the air that grabs the information ahead of speed of light so a naked human eye or Geth CPU can read it within mere seconds? The whole concept is just a big non-sequitur. it's not just a telescope. It was a retrofitted mass relay. We long knew the anything shot from a mass relay install get to it's location with no delay.so it not bs that a mass relay can be used like teleacope. Also the telescopes use to scan space that are normally use to see galexies, planets and nebulas are not light base. For someone who loves hard science so much how do you not know that? |
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Post by Space Cowboy on May 8, 2017 17:48:19 GMT
I associate "FTL" with movement so I imagine some kind of oversized telescope that flies through the air. I mean... ah, how is it going to work? Speed of light is what determines how we see when we see it due to the natural order of things. FTL is a fictional science fact but their reason for it is that by decreasing the weight of something it can basically go through an almost intra-dimensional tunnel and thereby cheat science. An FTL telescope is just a telescope of some sort. What is it that moves through the air that grabs the information ahead of speed of light so a naked human eye or Geth CPU can read it within mere seconds? The whole concept is just a big non-sequitur. it's not just a telescope. It was a retrofitted mass relay. We long knew the anything shot from a mass relay install get to it's location with no delay.so it not bs that a mass relay can be used like teleacope. Also the telescopes use to scan space that are normally use to see galexies, planets and nebulas are not light base. For someone who loves hard science so much how do you not know that? It's a slingshot, not a yoyo. You don't use a slingshot to grab light waves and drag them to you instantly. Same goes for radio waves gamma waves etc. Real telescopes are picking up waves that have travelled here at their set speed. We are seeing into the past when looking long distances. But hey, if you want to hand wave it in order to.make peace with it, who am I to argue. |
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Post by flyingovertrout on May 8, 2017 18:07:33 GMT
Guyz, how did the Titanic sail straight into that iceberg? REAL LIFE PLOTHOLE. GOD IS A LAZY WRiTER
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Post by KaiserShep on May 8, 2017 18:09:43 GMT
Guyz, how did the Titanic sail straight into that iceberg? REAL LIFE PLOTHOLE. GOD IS A LAZY WRiTER Now I'm imagining the band playing sad music as people are being taken for exaltation around them. |
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Post by dreman999 on May 8, 2017 18:19:56 GMT
it's not just a telescope. It was a retrofitted mass relay. We long knew the anything shot from a mass relay install get to it's location with no delay.so it not bs that a mass relay can be used like teleacope. Also the telescopes use to scan space that are normally use to see galexies, planets and nebulas are not light base. For someone who loves hard science so much how do you not know that? It's a slingshot, not a yoyo. You don't use a slingshot to grab light waves and drag them to you instantly. Same goes for radio waves gamma waves etc. Real telescopes are picking up waves that have travelled here at their set speed. We are seeing into the past when looking long distances. But hey, if you want to hand wave it in order to.make peace with it, who am I to argue. I know it's sligshot. And being a slight shot can shot anything at a far distance inculing quantum entangled particles and\or equipment. The geth can just shot entangled particles at the planets on andromeda with the mass relay and make a scan based on how the react. It would be like making a relief with particles. It's not impossible to use a mass relay like that. |
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on May 8, 2017 18:34:13 GMT
Sshhhh!, #SpaceMagicTM
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Post by dreman999 on May 8, 2017 18:41:23 GMT
the only thing that’s space magic was the synthesis ending. |
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Post by kumazan on May 8, 2017 18:49:33 GMT
Guyz, how did the Titanic sail straight into that iceberg? REAL LIFE PLOTHOLE. GOD IS A LAZY WRiTER Without that iceberg we wouldn't have James Cameron's film and their totally deserved 76 oscars and 3 NBA rings, the Flying Spaghetti Monster was just providing for those who deserve it. |
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Post by dreman999 on May 8, 2017 19:08:33 GMT
It's a slingshot, not a yoyo. You don't use a slingshot to grab light waves and drag them to you instantly. Same goes for radio waves gamma waves etc. Real telescopes are picking up waves that have travelled here at their set speed. We are seeing into the past when looking long distances. But hey, if you want to hand wave it in order to.make peace with it, who am I to argue. I know it's sligshot. And being a slight shot can shot anything at a far distance inculing quantum entangled particles and\or equipment. The geth can just shot entangled particles at the planets on andromeda with the mass relay and make a scan based on how they react. It would be like making a relief with particles. It's not impossible to use a mass relay like that. |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on May 8, 2017 20:26:06 GMT
the only thing that’s space magic was they synthesis ending. Yeah, at least the Telescope idea has an in-game explanation that attempts to rationalize it with Mass Effect details. Synthesis was just a big cop-out weird thing, or as I like to say a giant wave of artistic integrity. |
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Post by KaiserShep on May 8, 2017 20:31:12 GMT
the only thing that’s space magic was they synthesis ending. Yeah, at least the Telescope idea has an in-game explanation that attempts to rationalize it with Mass Effect details. Synthesis was just a big cop-out weird thing, or as I like to say a giant wave of artistic integrity. You just know that if Shepard was to actually ask exactly how Synthesis works, the Catalyst would simply respond with:  |
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Post by themikefest on May 8, 2017 20:35:00 GMT
the green ending. What a joke. I believe Bioware put that in the game for comedians to use for their opening act to give the audience a good laugh
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Post by kumazan on May 8, 2017 20:38:33 GMT
the only thing that’s space magic was they synthesis ending. Yeah, at least the Telescope idea has an in-game explanation that attempts to rationalize it with Mass Effect details. Synthesis was just a big cop-out weird thing, or as I like to say a giant wave of artistic integrity. Pls guys stop reminding me the green ending exists.  |
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Post by dreman999 on May 8, 2017 21:37:48 GMT
the green ending. What a joke. I believe Bioware put that in the game for comedians to use for their opening act to give the audience a good laugh the synthesis ending is not name that will be sung as we march. |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on May 8, 2017 21:44:40 GMT
the green ending. What a joke. I believe Bioware put that in the game for comedians to use for their opening act to give the audience a good laugh Did you know organics and synthetics can finally coexist in peace now?  That was a joke - EDI |
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Post by KaiserShep on May 8, 2017 21:49:27 GMT
the green ending. What a joke. I believe Bioware put that in the game for comedians to use for their opening act to give the audience a good laugh Did you know organics and synthetics can finally coexist in peace now? That was a joke - EDI Man I hated that image so much, mainly because there should have been something similar in Control if you brokered peace. |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on May 8, 2017 21:52:41 GMT
Did you know organics and synthetics can finally coexist in peace now? That was a joke - EDI Man I hated that image so much, mainly because there should have been something similar in Control if you brokered peace. It was a slap in the face. "The Rannoch arc didn't matter" - Mac Walters & Casey Hudson. I refuse to believe the other writers they brought along-- Sylvia specifically who wrote the Synthesis monologue, couldn't realize the logical fallacies they were conjuring up here. Sylvia was the one who wrote the Geth Consensus mission. She took part in drafting the Rannoch arc with Patrick as the manager so they must've known what was what. |
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