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Post by danishgambit on May 10, 2017 7:24:45 GMT
Right, because they have to set their scanners to dark energy scanning mode to scan for dark energy... So how would they be able to avoid crashing into these fields of dark energy during FTL if their sensors weren't on 'dark energy scanning mode?' anyone wants to point out due to the nature of dark energy it's impossibly to scan out side of it effect on other matter? Veetor scanned dark energy in ME2: So they can scan dark energy from seeker swarms just fine but not when it's inconvenient to the story. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Plot holes.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 10, 2017 7:33:08 GMT
It's described as a dark energy cloud, but does not behave in such a way that it's fully understood, and the fact that it disrupts instruments is what makes it difficult to scan.
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Post by dreman999 on May 10, 2017 7:33:49 GMT
anyone wants to point out due to the nature of dark energy it's impossibly to scan out side of it effect on other matter? Veetor scanned dark energy in ME2: So they can scan dark energy from seeker swarms just fine but not when it's inconvenient to the story. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Plot holes. he does it by scanning the gravital effects. I'm talking about what actually science says.
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Post by danishgambit on May 10, 2017 7:44:27 GMT
Veetor scanned dark energy in ME2: So they can scan dark energy from seeker swarms just fine but not when it's inconvenient to the story. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Plot holes. he does it by scanning the gravital effects. I'm talking about what actually science says. I'm looking at the lore here and why things should or should not work according to it. Science says it shouldn't be possible. Fine. But the story says otherwise. So do we explain the lore by the science it contradicts when it's convenient to do so? Or do we take the lore for what it is and expect some kind of continuity from it? I say we do the latter.
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Post by dreman999 on May 10, 2017 7:52:17 GMT
he does it by scanning the gravital effects. I'm talking about what actually science says. I'm looking at the lore here and why things should or should not work according to it. Science says it shouldn't be possible. Fine. But the story says otherwise. So do we explain the lore by the science it contradicts when it's convenient to do so? Or do we take the lore for what it is and expect some kind of continuity from it? I say we do the latter. lore does not say how it's scanned. And normally it found with eletrostatic energy anyway. But still what I'm using is just a theory. Lore never really states ether way.
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Post by fchopin on May 10, 2017 11:39:39 GMT
It's described as a dark energy cloud, but does not behave in such a way that it's fully understood, and the fact that it disrupts instruments is what makes it difficult to scan. You don’t need to know what it is, the scanners should have picked some kind of anomaly and avoided the cloud. Anything that is not ordinary and cannot be scanned correctly should have been avoided by the AI controlling the ship. Also if one ship runs in to trouble they would have left some kind of beacon for other ships following to avoid the problem. These are all standard procedures so enough with the excuses that a 10 year old can figure out.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 10, 2017 12:55:02 GMT
It's described as a dark energy cloud, but does not behave in such a way that it's fully understood, and the fact that it disrupts instruments is what makes it difficult to scan. You don’t need to know what it is, the scanners should have picked some kind of anomaly and avoided the cloud. Anything that is not ordinary and cannot be scanned correctly should have been avoided by the AI controlling the ship. Also if one ship runs in to trouble they would have left some kind of beacon for other ships following to avoid the problem. These are all standard procedures so enough with the excuses that a 10 year old can figure out. Picking up some kind of anomaly and being able to exactly pinpoint said anomaly may not be the same thing, especially if it's a cosmic maze of tech-destroying energy streams that no one's ever encountered before. I imagine the fact that a spacecraft would be traveling at considerable speed doesn't help. I guess it's good to know that if a space magic minefield ever strikes earth, the 10 year olds will be there to save us.
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Post by fchopin on May 10, 2017 13:03:14 GMT
You don't need to pinpoint it just avoid it and a 10 year old would do a better job than the Bioware writers. And again there was no beacon for anyone following to avoid. I mean it is obvious that no other ship would want to help their friends following behind and would prefer that they all die.
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Post by dreman999 on May 10, 2017 13:34:07 GMT
It's described as a dark energy cloud, but does not behave in such a way that it's fully understood, and the fact that it disrupts instruments is what makes it difficult to scan. You don’t need to know what it is, the scanners should have picked some kind of anomaly and avoided the cloud. Anything that is not ordinary and cannot be scanned correctly should have been avoided by the AI controlling the ship. Also if one ship runs in to trouble they would have left some kind of beacon for other ships following to avoid the problem. These are all standard procedures so enough with the excuses that a 10 year old can figure out. how? It's already stated it warps communication and scanners and it's stated to move and seek out drive cores. Unless they knew what it was and what it can do before hand there is no way to avoid it.
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Post by fchopin on May 10, 2017 14:38:18 GMT
how? It's already stated it warps communication and scanners and it's stated to move and seek out drive cores. Unless they knew what it was and what it can do before hand there is no way to avoid it. The warp of communications alone should stop the ship to take a different direction. They would have had more than one scanner on the ships to scan for different things. We are not dealing with idiots but with people who travel for over 600 years and who should have found much bigger problems on the way to the destination. And what about some help from ships that have traveled before us? Were we not going to leave a message for ships that would come after us if we did not fix the problem?
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on May 10, 2017 14:46:29 GMT
You don't need to pinpoint it just avoid it and a 10 year old would do a better job than the Bioware writers.And again there was no beacon for anyone following to avoid. I mean it is obvious that no other ship would want to help their friends following behind and would prefer that they all die. It's funny because I'm actually reminded very clearly of a guy in my class when I was 12 who wrote novellas for fun and they were way better than most writing in this game. He was a fucking genius. One of them was about a dystopian future when women had gotten more privileged than men and some males would be imprisoned out of prejudice in the woman society. Guy was in a time machine or something.
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Post by alanc9 on May 10, 2017 14:51:23 GMT
how? It's already stated it warps communication and scanners and it's stated to move and seek out drive cores. Unless they knew what it was and what it can do before hand there is no way to avoid it. The warp of communications alone should stop the ship to take a different direction. They would have had more than one scanner on the ships to scan for different things. We are not dealing with idiots but with people who travel for over 600 years and who should have found much bigger problems on the way to the destination. And what about some help from ships that have traveled before us? Were we not going to leave a message for ships that would come after us if we did not fix the problem? Why would they have found bigger problems in utterly empty space? I don't see how the scanner argument can go anywhere. Making a case that the Hyperion should have had sensors which were able to detect this phenomenon at sufficient range to prevent the accident would require a degree of technical knowledge that we don't have and probably can't have, since the MEU uses fantasy physics.
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Post by fchopin on May 10, 2017 14:58:53 GMT
It is empty space only as far as we know, I read one article a few months ago that the temperature would be astronomical and no ship would be able to travel to other galaxy’s but don’t know if that is correct or not.
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Post by dreman999 on May 10, 2017 15:05:49 GMT
how? It's already stated it warps communication and scanners and it's stated to move and seek out drive cores. Unless they knew what it was and what it can do before hand there is no way to avoid it. The warp of communications alone should stop the ship to take a different direction. They would have had more than one scanner on the ships to scan for different things. We are not dealing with idiots but with people who travel for over 600 years and who should have found much bigger problems on the way to the destination. And what about some help from ships that have traveled before us? Were we not going to leave a message for ships that would come after us if we did not fix the problem? you don't understand. How can you avoid it if you don't know where it is? These sensor are their eyes.people don't direct space ship by look out a window. They use sensor to indicate where thing are and close they are to it. Flying in the scurge is like someone diving a car with a bright light in there face. Now image that person suddenly put in high speeds in to heavy traffic while being blinded by that light. That's what it like to deal with the scurge. It's not something.you can avoid unless you know about before hand. Their sensors are messed up so they don't know where it is. It moves around them so where they cam from gets closed off. And it's constantly moving towards the ship because it's attracted to the drive core. It space quick sand.
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Post by dreman999 on May 10, 2017 15:08:45 GMT
The warp of communications alone should stop the ship to take a different direction. They would have had more than one scanner on the ships to scan for different things. We are not dealing with idiots but with people who travel for over 600 years and who should have found much bigger problems on the way to the destination. And what about some help from ships that have traveled before us? Were we not going to leave a message for ships that would come after us if we did not fix the problem? Why would they have found bigger problems in utterly empty space? I don't see how the scanner argument can go anywhere. Making a case that the Hyperion should have had sensors which were able to detect this phenomenon at sufficient range to prevent the accident would require a degree of technical knowledge that we don't have and probably can't have, since the MEU uses fantasy physics. there are no sensors for that for ship on mass effect that senses things systems away. They fly in the area not knowing what the scorge was and it closed around the ship.
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Post by dreman999 on May 10, 2017 15:10:19 GMT
It is empty space only as far as we know, I read one article a few months ago that the temperature would be astronomical and no ship would be able to travel to other galaxy’s but don’t know if that is correct or not. it's not empty space around the scorge. It's giant dark energy cloud to surrounds and are attracted to ships. It moves.
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Post by fchopin on May 10, 2017 15:10:27 GMT
Very simple, you stop the ship and send probes to check what is out there. You also wake up specialists if there are none awake so they can plan and check. What you do not do is keep moving unless you are a complete idiotic AI or idiotic human.
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Post by dreman999 on May 10, 2017 16:37:03 GMT
Very simple, ycou stop the ship and send probes to check what is out there. You also wake up specialists if there are none awake so they can plan and check. What you do not do is keep moving unless you are a complete idiotic AI or idiotic human. no it's not. You would need to have a reason to send the probes in. None one on the ship would had any reason to think that there was any danger in that system. Why would they think to a send probes in a place they don't think is dangerous. It like saying a person could easily avoid a mud slide if they stop and surveyed the area with a telescope while ignoring the person is given no indication the area is dangerous. The reason they hit the scourge is that they when into the system thinking everything was safe and by the time the ship sensors indicated anything was wrong they were already serounded by the scorge.
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Post by fchopin on May 10, 2017 16:48:02 GMT
The scanners would pick the distorted space ahead even if they could not know what it was and the first job would be to slow down and investigate the anomaly. You still have not replied to the danger beacon the ships that came before us would have left behind or the one we would have left behind if the problem was not fixed.
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Post by dreman999 on May 10, 2017 17:05:04 GMT
The scanners would pick the distorted space ahead even if they could not know what it was and the first job would be to slow down and investigate the anomaly. You still have not replied to the danger beacon the ships that came before us would have left behind or the one we would have left behind if the problem was not fixed. you're not getting. The range of the scanners are the range of the scourge. This is something so big it can cover the cluster. It fills systems and serounded planets. It so big it can hide Aya from the kett for decades. If the ship is in range of the scanners to sense distortion it's already too late, the scorge has already started to seround the ship and is already being attracted to the ship. The only real safe distance from the scorge is out side scanning range. Only pilots trained to fly around.the scourge can go though it safely.
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Post by fchopin on May 10, 2017 17:29:03 GMT
How is it going to cover the ship when the scanners can pick a distortion before you get to the scorge and try to avoid it.
Edit: and don't say it will be to late as that is idiotic and scanners can pick distortions from many days away.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 10, 2017 17:32:31 GMT
You don't need to pinpoint it just avoid it and a 10 year old would do a better job than the Bioware writers.And again there was no beacon for anyone following to avoid. I mean it is obvious that no other ship would want to help their friends following behind and would prefer that they all die. It's funny because I'm actually reminded very clearly of a guy in my class when I was 12 who wrote novellas for fun and they were way better than most writing in this game. He was a fucking genius. One of them was about a dystopian future when women had gotten more privileged than men and some males would be imprisoned out of prejudice in the woman society. Guy was in a time machine or something. That sounds like "Lithia", an episode of the Outer Limits that aired in 1998.
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Post by dreman999 on May 10, 2017 18:15:30 GMT
How is it going to cover the ship when the scanners can pick a distortion before you get to the scorge and try to avoid it. Edit: and don't say it will be to late as that is idiotic and scanners can pick distortions from many days away. dude. The range scourge extends and move to a ship is as far and farther then the range of the ship scannners. By the time the ship senses any thing the scourge is already reaching for them and closing around them. How many ways do I have to say it? By the time the can scan the scourge to know it's there the scourge would already be reach out to the ship. It not stationary. The only way for them to know the scourge is there is to send probes in the system before the they reach there and that only done it they already know danger is thereor if they think the system is dangerous.
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Post by fchopin on May 10, 2017 20:44:13 GMT
I have explained it to you but if you do not want to understand that is your problem.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 10, 2017 20:54:07 GMT
Oh man is the space magic minefield still a discussion? It's a crazy dark energy-kinda thingie that swirls around in the cluster and breaks shit.
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