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Post by Catilina on Dec 11, 2017 19:30:01 GMT
To me, this is the difference between vengeance and punishment. I find Erimond to be the very worst of the bunch for the reasons Phoray mentioned. He knows exactly what he's doing, knows how the world will be affected by Corypheus, and is completely happy to go along with it and help in any way he can. To me, he is the very worst example of what Tevinter has to offer, almost a southern caricature of what a Tevinter mage is in that way*.
That said, I don't know how ANY mage sympathizing player can use tranquility as a punishment. It seems hypocritical to me, to decry templar treatment of mages, including the indiscriminate use of tranquility, and then use it yourself. Choosing to use tranquility in that situation says more about the person who makes the choice. After the person is made tranquil, they're not the same person, so the punishment isn't actually exacted on that individual that did whatever crime. Once tranquil, they're no longer concerned about anything. It's only a punishment for the few minutes the person has to freak out over the decision, but afterward they are literally "tranquil" in that they don't care, and might actually prefer that existence, as people like Owain and the Ostagar tranquil claimed to.
Tranquility is also used as a weapon in Tevinter. To use it in that way shows that you are no better.
* This isn't meant as a criticism of his characterization, but rather meant to suggest that southern views of Tevinter mages are based around some truth, exemplified by people like Erimond. Context matters, I think. The only reason I hated Tranquilization was because it was heavily implied Templars used it frequently against innocent mages and as a way to make sex slaves. Erimond was neither innocent or likely to be used as a sex slave, so I rationalized that my mage Inquisitors were fine with using it against a prick like him. Plus, I thought a Tranquil Erimond would a lot more willing divulge secrets about Corypheus and the Venatori. I have many problems with Tranquility (I would ban the ritual, because too "easy" to use as "merciful" solution) as a preventive "solution" and as a punishment too, but yes, there are extreme situations. It is a death sentence, or even worse: a torture. Karl and Pharamond remembered their Tranquil life, and they both chose the death in their "normal" moment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 19:56:45 GMT
How is Iron Bull fat or an alcoholic? Is Jade Dreamer trolling for funzies or something. He looks fat to me, because of the man-boobs rather than tight pecks and a pot-belly and those terrible pants. As for alcoholic, well, my upbringing is such that I am more disgusted by alcohol consumption than many, so I did not like seeing my Inquisitor sloshed with bull. I know a lot of people find drunk dialogues funny, and want to see more of it, but it is not my thing. And, yep, I am aware Dorian drinks as well, but I kept hoping it’s something you get to address like with Cullen. Alas, no. Anyway, suffice it is to say that I find iron bull offputting in a lot of ways.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Dec 11, 2017 20:11:04 GMT
How is Iron Bull fat or an alcoholic? Is Jade Dreamer trolling for funzies or something. He looks fat to me, because of the man-boobs rather than tight pecks and a pot-belly and those terrible pants. As for alcoholic, well, my upbringing is such that I am more disgusted by alcohol consumption than many, so I did not like seeing my Inquisitor sloshed with bull. I know a lot of people find drunk dialogues funny, and want to see more of it, but it is not my thing. And, yep, I am aware Dorian drinks as well, but I kept hoping it’s something you get to address like with Cullen. Alas, no. Anyway, suffice it is to say that I find iron bull offputting in a lot of ways. Oh, alright. So you calling him an alcoholic wasn't actually based on strong in-game evidence but just an emotional reaction from your childhood. And you calling him fat is subjective at best and also not supported by actual evidence. Thanks for clarifying, Jade Dreamer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 20:17:45 GMT
He looks fat to me, because of the man-boobs rather than tight pecks and a pot-belly and those terrible pants. As for alcoholic, well, my upbringing is such that I am more disgusted by alcohol consumption than many, so I did not like seeing my Inquisitor sloshed with bull. I know a lot of people find drunk dialogues funny, and want to see more of it, but it is not my thing. And, yep, I am aware Dorian drinks as well, but I kept hoping it’s something you get to address like with Cullen. Alas, no. Anyway, suffice it is to say that I find iron bull offputting in a lot of ways. Oh, alright. So you calling him an alcoholic wasn't actually based on strong in-game evidence but just an emotional reaction from your childhood. And you calling him fat is subjective at best and also not supported by actual evidence. Thanks for clarifying, Jade Dreamer. Yup, he looks subjectively fat and extremely ugly to me, with no options to mod his appearance beyond tiny tweaks. And he drinks too much for my tastes. He also tells my gorgeous Qunari that he (my Qunari) is not a Qunari. His (Bull's) romantic storyline starts with him telling me about whores, which I find subjectively disgusting. Which, I am told, after that proceeds to him trying to do some strange sexual things, that I find subjectively revolting, with even things like "safe word" or something gross like that. So, yeah, I would say that after Sten and Arishok I am subjectively extremely disappointed that the only male Qunari that is open to a romance is... what we got in DAI. And, yes, it was one of the subjective factors in my uninstalling the game and not calling it a good game (also subjectively). So, yes, it is all my personal opinion, and if I get what I actually want from playing a Qunari in DA4 I'd just as happily praise it to high heavens.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 11, 2017 20:21:25 GMT
Oh, alright. So you calling him an alcoholic wasn't actually based on strong in-game evidence but just an emotional reaction from your childhood. And you calling him fat is subjective at best and also not supported by actual evidence. Thanks for clarifying, Jade Dreamer. Yup, he looks subjectively fat and extremely ugly to me, with no options to mod his appearance beyond tiny tweaks. And he drinks too much for my tastes. He also tells my gorgeous Qunari that he (my Qunari) is not a Qunari. His (Bull's) romantic storyline starts with him telling me about whores, which I find subjectively disgusting. Which, I am told, after that proceeds to him trying to do some strange sexual things, that I find subjectively revolting. So, yeah, I would say that after Sten and Arishok I am subjectively extremely disappointed that the only male Qunari that is open to a romance is... what we got in DAI. And, yes, it was one of the subjective factors in my uninstalling the game and not calling it a good game (also subjectively). Wait,k when does he talk about that? Or are you referring to the Tamassrans that are forced to serve as sex slaves for the Qun thing?
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Dec 11, 2017 20:21:37 GMT
How is Iron Bull fat or an alcoholic? Is Jade Dreamer trolling for funzies or something. He looks fat to me, because of the man-boobs rather than tight pecks and a pot-belly and those terrible pants. As for alcoholic, well, my upbringing is such that I am more disgusted by alcohol consumption than many, so I did not like seeing my Inquisitor sloshed with bull. I know a lot of people find drunk dialogues funny, and want to see more of it, but it is not my thing. And, yep, I am aware Dorian drinks as well, but I kept hoping it’s something you get to address like with Cullen. Alas, no. Anyway, suffice it is to say that I find iron bull offputting in a lot of ways. I agree. I don't care for seeing my PC being encouraged to get sloshed, tuned me off to IB, and Chakwas(ME2) quite a bit. I didn't mind Ash(ME3) getting sloshed because, one: my PC wasn't forced to participate, and two: I got to mock her. I tended to be the one at college parties who was sober and watching all the stupid drunk antics, mocking friends and keeping them from making some really bad choices.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 20:23:35 GMT
Yup, he looks subjectively fat and extremely ugly to me, with no options to mod his appearance beyond tiny tweaks. And he drinks too much for my tastes. He also tells my gorgeous Qunari that he (my Qunari) is not a Qunari. His (Bull's) romantic storyline starts with him telling me about whores, which I find subjectively disgusting. Which, I am told, after that proceeds to him trying to do some strange sexual things, that I find subjectively revolting. So, yeah, I would say that after Sten and Arishok I am subjectively extremely disappointed that the only male Qunari that is open to a romance is... what we got in DAI. And, yes, it was one of the subjective factors in my uninstalling the game and not calling it a good game (also subjectively). Wait,k when does he talk about that? Or are you referring to the Tamassrans that are forced to serve as sex slaves for the Qun thing? Honestly, I just remember trying to talk to him and he is talking about how for all that there are whores. Male whores, female whores, I am sure he calls them the appropriate lore name. But anyway, that's like a romantic talk or something like that. It's been almost a year since I talked to him. I just remember wanting to never talk to him again. And, once we got to Trespasser, never to recruit him again. Anyway, I don't like him, and I want Qunari to be back to the enigmatic ones in DAO/DA2 and have a romance with a gorgeous Qunari (I've seen folks do wonders with CC even in DAI, and my guy was pretty good looking as well) with strong rebellious nature that falls for my character. That's all I ask.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Dec 11, 2017 20:33:42 GMT
He only talks about Tamassran sex workers if you ask him about whether Qunari have marriage.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 11, 2017 20:36:16 GMT
Wait,k when does he talk about that? Or are you referring to the Tamassrans that are forced to serve as sex slaves for the Qun thing? Honestly, I just remember trying to talk to him and he is talking about how for all that there are whores. Male whores, female whores, I am sure he calls them the appropriate lore name. But anyway, that's like a romantic talk or something like that. It's been almost a year since I talked to him. I just remember wanting to never talk to him again. It seems like Hanako Ikezawa is right. You're wrong about what that conversation is. That's not at all related to the romance. That is a standard investigate dialogue that any person can ask him at any time, just as they can ask about other aspects of the Qun. It's not a flirt or connected to flirting. You have to select it as an option; he doesn't just volunteer this information without asking. As far as I can recall, the only sexual talk he has without player input is an auto dialogue on a random click where he wonders how the kitchen maids can be up and about so early after they night they had. But damn. So you hate the guy. Why don't you just not recruit him and move on? It seems like you're wasting a large amount of mental energy on this character that you revile.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Dec 11, 2017 20:38:04 GMT
Honestly, I just remember trying to talk to him and he is talking about how for all that there are whores. Male whores, female whores, I am sure he calls them the appropriate lore name. But anyway, that's like a romantic talk or something like that. It's been almost a year since I talked to him. I just remember wanting to never talk to him again. It seems like Hanako Ikezawa is right. You're wrong about what that conversation is. That's not at all related to the romance. That is a standard investigate dialogue that any person can ask him at any time, just as they can ask about other aspects of the Qun. It's not a flirt or connected to flirting. You have to select it as an option; he doesn't just volunteer this information without asking. As far as I can recall, the only sexual talk he has without player input is an auto dialogue on a random click where he wonders how the kitchen maids can be up and about so early after they night they had. But damn. So you hate the guy. Why don't you just not recruit him and move on? It seems like you're wasting a large amount of mental energy on this character that you revile.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 20:41:01 GMT
Honestly, I just remember trying to talk to him and he is talking about how for all that there are whores. Male whores, female whores, I am sure he calls them the appropriate lore name. But anyway, that's like a romantic talk or something like that. It's been almost a year since I talked to him. I just remember wanting to never talk to him again. It seems like Hanako Ikezawa is right. You're wrong about what that conversation is. That's not at all related to the romance. That is a standard investigate dialogue that any person can ask him at any time, just as they can ask about other aspects of the Qun. It's not a flirt or connected to flirting. You have to select it as an option; he doesn't just volunteer this information without asking. As far as I can recall, the only sexual talk he has without player input is an auto dialogue on a random click where he wonders how the kitchen maids can be up and about so early after they night they had. But damn. So you hate the guy. Why don't you just not recruit him and move on? It seems like you're wasting a large amount of mental energy on this character that you revile. That's exactly what I did. The exclamation mark for his quest remains there all the way to the end of the game. I simply mentioned him to say it was peculiar that Elves/Qunari both got a character that tells them that they are not representative of their race, while dwarves do not. I would not have said anything further at all if people did not keep asking "why do you think so?" and write treatises on why it is like that - which I did not ask for, I commented on how it is, in regards to selecting a play-race, not asked for clarification. I do experience a regret that Bull is what we got for male romanceable Qunari, and fear that we won't get a chance to play a Qunari ever again, the way I would want to play and romance a Qunari. Honestly, folks, it is a double-edged sword. The best way to get someone to shut up is to not ask them questions.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 11, 2017 20:43:23 GMT
I agree. I don't care for seeing my PC being encouraged to get sloshed, tuned me off to IB... This is a factor for me as well. It's not in character for my PC to drink in that manner. And you don't have a choice, as that dialogue automatically triggers after you kill your first dragon. In addition, the whole thing is lame because there is talk about him saying the shout, but I never take him anywhere, so he wasn't actually there to kill the damn thing. Eventually, it got to the point where I would avoid talking to him after having killed a dragon, which is just stupid and pointless. Then I eventually just decided to not recruit him at all. The only thing I regret not having is the first Skyhold cutscene where your Inquisitor is in disguise and you can see how people think of you, which is great roleplay material. But I live without it.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 11, 2017 20:47:09 GMT
That's exactly what I did. The exclamation mark for his quest remains there all the way to the end of the game. So like, you leave poor Krem standing in Skyhold for the entire game?? You can just do the quest and tell him to piss off. He actually has a decent reaction, that is, not truly upset as you get with some others, like Sera. In that way, you don't have to feel like an ass for not wanting to recruit someone.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Dec 11, 2017 20:53:14 GMT
I dunno. Whenever I got the drinking scene with him I just picked the "I'm not drinking that" option. He doesn't even disapprove.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 20:53:50 GMT
That's exactly what I did. The exclamation mark for his quest remains there all the way to the end of the game. So like, you leave poor Krem standing in Skyhold for the entire game?? You can just do the quest and tell him to piss off. He actually has a decent reaction, that is, not truly upset as you get with some others, like Sera. In that way, you don't have to feel like an ass for not wanting to recruit someone. I was afraid that if I did that, the game will count it as "met IB", spring him on me in TP and insert him into the Epilogue. I wanted him be completely erased from the game so I kept not talking to Krem. I don't think I would ever finish that second PT anyway, so no biggie.
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Post by jaison1986 on Dec 11, 2017 21:00:13 GMT
Gee, what a bunch of prudes. I never got drunk for real, and I still had no problem with the whole drinking scene with Bull. Not like the inquisitor gets so wasted they wake up naked on top of the war table. I prefer to skip those stupid Sera pranks. Now that's what I call a waste of time.
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Post by Artemis on Dec 11, 2017 21:25:36 GMT
I dunno. Whenever I got the drinking scene with him I just picked the "I'm not drinking that" option. He doesn't even disapprove. Yes I don't know what everyone's bitching about lmao You can just refuse to drink. (Not that I ever do; I love booze.) EDIT: Now if only you could refuse to be tied up and beaten during sex
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 21:33:54 GMT
I dunno. Whenever I got the drinking scene with him I just picked the "I'm not drinking that" option. He doesn't even disapprove. Yes I don't know what everyone's bitching about lmao You can just refuse to drink. (Not that I ever do; I love booze.) EDIT: Now if only you could refuse to be tied up and beaten during sex Ye gods....
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Post by lilyenachaos on Dec 11, 2017 22:09:55 GMT
I dunno. Whenever I got the drinking scene with him I just picked the "I'm not drinking that" option. He doesn't even disapprove. Yes I don't know what everyone's bitching about lmao You can just refuse to drink. (Not that I ever do; I love booze.) EDIT: Now if only you could refuse to be tied up and beaten during sex Agree with your first point. Also - how did this thread go from elves to IB?
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Post by Artemis on Dec 11, 2017 22:21:46 GMT
Yes I don't know what everyone's bitching about lmao You can just refuse to drink. (Not that I ever do; I love booze.) EDIT: Now if only you could refuse to be tied up and beaten during sex Agree with your first point. Also - how did this thread go from elves to IB? Well I'm always an elf when I do IB, so it still fits omg, get it... it fits...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 22:30:43 GMT
Yes I don't know what everyone's bitching about lmao You can just refuse to drink. (Not that I ever do; I love booze.) EDIT: Now if only you could refuse to be tied up and beaten during sex Agree with your first point. Also - how did this thread go from elves to IB? I made a mistake of pointing out that both elven and Qunari protagonist has another elf and Qunari that tells them that they are not "really" elf and Qunari. Which resulted in way too much of "why", please, do not rehash if at all possible. In case of the Elves, the Elven protagonist can argue with Solas and Solas will apologize (sort of). So, in that respect playing Elf (to me) has advantage over Qunari (but not over Dwarf who is unequivocally accepted).
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Post by House Targaryen on Dec 11, 2017 23:17:00 GMT
Agree with your first point. Also - how did this thread go from elves to IB? Well I'm always an elf when I do IB, so it still fits omg, get it... it fits... Elven bois and girls like to ride the Bul
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Dec 11, 2017 23:18:34 GMT
Iron Bull does apologize for calling you Tal-Vasoth. Kind of. You have an option to tell him you've been called Qunari all your life while living around humans and he basically responds with a fair enough.
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Post by Artemis on Dec 11, 2017 23:47:25 GMT
Well I'm always an elf when I do IB, so it still fits omg, get it... it fits... Elven bois and girls like to ride the Bul Well, more like I always planned to play an elf and just had to pick the option I disliked least. Not that I dislike Bull but the BDSM stuff is such a huge "Nah" for me. But oh well. On to DA4!!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 11, 2017 23:54:14 GMT
Iron Bull does apologize for calling you Tal-Vasoth. Kind of. You have an option to tell him you've been called Qunari all your life while living around humans and he basically responds with a fair enough. That's not an apology then.
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