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Post by alanc9 on Dec 12, 2017 0:11:14 GMT
Wait,k when does he talk about that? Or are you referring to the Tamassrans that are forced to serve as sex slaves for the Qun thing? Isn't everybody under the Qun forced to be some kind of slave?
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Dec 12, 2017 0:13:10 GMT
Iron Bull does apologize for calling you Tal-Vasoth. Kind of. You have an option to tell him you've been called Qunari all your life while living around humans and he basically responds with a fair enough. That's not an apology then. How exactly? He essentially states that the Qunari Inquisitor has a point and proceeds to never question whether their ever really Qunari ever again.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 12, 2017 0:16:50 GMT
Iron Bull does apologize for calling you Tal-Vasoth. Kind of. You have an option to tell him you've been called Qunari all your life while living around humans and he basically responds with a fair enough. That's not an apology then. I don't think IB believes he needs to apologize. The Inquisitor isn't a Qunari as the Qunari use the term. (It's a bit odd that he calls the Inquisitor Tal-Vashoth though -- that isn't true , and he should know it.)
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Post by shechinah on Dec 12, 2017 0:38:21 GMT
I don't think IB believes he needs to apologize. The Inquisitor isn't a Qunari as the Qunari use the term. (It's a bit odd that he calls the Inquisitor Tal-Vashoth though -- that isn't true , and he should know it.)I would say it is excused by how this is during their first meeting and so he may believe Adaar is a qunari who has left the Qun. It doesn't work, however, because Adaar wouldn't use the term Qunari if they had been a part of the Qun once and left it. I think it should just be chalked up to being of the times where the words are switched. It's a bit egregious when it's a member of the Qun like the Iron Bull who is making the mistake but it happens.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 0:44:10 GMT
Iron Bull does apologize for calling you Tal-Vasoth. Kind of. You have an option to tell him you've been called Qunari all your life while living around humans and he basically responds with a fair enough. That sounds more like the Inquisitor is apologizing and Bull accepts the appology, tbh. Anyway, do Solas’ apologies feel sincere and statisfying for an elf?
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Post by shechinah on Dec 12, 2017 0:46:21 GMT
Wait,k when does he talk about that? Or are you referring to the Tamassrans that are forced to serve as sex slaves for the Qun thing? Isn't everybody under the Qun forced to be some kind of slave? Yes and no. There are slaves such as the sar-qamek victims and those who cannot leave the Qun because of what might happen to them if they try. There are, however, also those who voluntarily go to the Qun, live with it and are fine with whichever role they are assigned.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Dec 12, 2017 0:54:27 GMT
Iron Bull does apologize for calling you Tal-Vasoth. Kind of. You have an option to tell him you've been called Qunari all your life while living around humans and he basically responds with a fair enough. That sounds more like the Inquisitor is apologizing and Bull accepts the appology, tbh. Anyway, do Solas’ apologies feel sincere and statisfying for an elf? Well given that he plans on killing all the elves for his plan I'd say no. Solas: Yeah, I was wrong to think you were all stupid and worthless, but I'm still going to kill all your people. Sorry not sorry.
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Post by Artemis on Dec 12, 2017 4:39:16 GMT
Iron Bull does apologize for calling you Tal-Vasoth. Kind of. You have an option to tell him you've been called Qunari all your life while living around humans and he basically responds with a fair enough. That sounds more like the Inquisitor is apologizing and Bull accepts the appology, tbh. Anyway, do Solas’ apologies feel sincere and statisfying for an elf? I'd say very much so. Not that he falls all over himself doing it; more like he grudgingly makes allowances lol
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Post by Artemis on Dec 12, 2017 4:42:47 GMT
That sounds more like the Inquisitor is apologizing and Bull accepts the appology, tbh. Anyway, do Solas’ apologies feel sincere and statisfying for an elf? Well given that he plans on killing all the elves for his plan I'd say no. Solas: Yeah, I was wrong to think you were all stupid and worthless, but I'm still going to kill all your people. Sorry not sorry. I think this is why he's such a great character though. I think he genuinely does think Lavellan is a good person. But at the end of the day, he thinks his goal is "worthy" and probably thinks of himself and other ancient elves as inherently better than mortals. He's a really complicated character imo. Remember that he does constantly give approval when you help people.
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Post by theascendent on Dec 12, 2017 9:13:01 GMT
What would tearing down the Veil do to the spirits/demons. They've only existed in a world where the Veil was always there and have become dependent on mortals to give them a sense of purpose and individuality. The breach drove them mad, what would a catastrophe the one Solas is planning do to them?
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Post by theascendent on Dec 12, 2017 9:41:36 GMT
As playing an Elf I feel all the more confident in the knowledge that I must kill Solas, no matter his excuses or his claims, he is just as bad as the Evanuris and would destroy everything in a vain attempt to fuel his ego. His murder of Mythal completely underpins any moral high ground he might have had, considering he imprisoned the other Gods for the very same crime. While I will feel conflicted, if the world is to survive Solas must die.
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Post by jaison1986 on Dec 12, 2017 11:51:04 GMT
As playing an Elf I feel all the more confident in the knowledge that I must kill Solas, no matter his excuses or his claims, he is just as bad as the Evanuris and would destroy everything in a vain attempt to fuel his ego. His murder of Mythal completely underpins any moral high ground he might have had, considering he imprisoned the other Gods for the very same crime. While I will feel conflicted, if the world is to survive Solas must die. Wat? Solas didn't kill Mythal, the elven gods did. And killing everyone for the sake of his ego is another false statement. He genuinely believes his actions will restore the world he destroyed. Solas doesn't do what he does for ego, he does it out of regret. And I hardly think killing Solas is the only way to stop him, otherwise the final option with him in Trespasser would be quite pointless.
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Post by shechinah on Dec 12, 2017 12:23:25 GMT
His murder of Mythal completely underpins any moral high ground he might have had, considering he imprisoned the other Gods for the very same crime. It depends on how you interpreted the scene as personally, I saw Flemeth as knowing it'd happen and silently consenting to it. She was very calm and when very understanding. She's one for contingency plans and being rather on the ball when it comes to knowing when people are coming to kill her.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 12:27:10 GMT
His murder of Mythal completely underpins any moral high ground he might have had, considering he imprisoned the other Gods for the very same crime. It depends on how you interpreted the scene as personally, I saw Flemeth as knowing it'd happen and silently consenting to it. She's one for contingency plans and being rather on the ball when it comes to knowing when people are coming to kill her. That's what it looked like to me too, but I did not understand why. I assumed it was a vote of confidence, so if Flemeth is for Solas' agenda to the extent of giving her life for his cause, it gives an extra reason to support Solas to me.
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Post by theascendent on Dec 12, 2017 13:11:09 GMT
I suppose his killing of Flemeth/Mythal is fairly ambiguous, and I do lack context as to the precise nature of their relationship. Fair enough I'll concede to that point. Probably will still kill him unless he has a very compelling argument in the next game for my PC.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Dec 12, 2017 14:10:03 GMT
I don't think Flemeth supports Solas per say, and was resigned to her fate at his hands. I think it is more of she accomplished what she wanted; passing of her "godhood" to Morrigan. Which we only know from dev notes is what Flemeth was doing with the mirror before Solas showed up. I think as far back as DAO Flemeth knew Solas was coming and what he wants to accomplish. She knew he would take her life/power since he would be weak after his long slumber. I also think the soul of the old god was a means of giving Solas the illusion of taking her power, so she could survive in some form. Whether that plan comes to fruition is up the players choice. Maybe I am giving Flemeth to much credit, but she clearly thinks about the long game. Where as Solas lives in the past and plans for the short term.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 14:29:05 GMT
I don't think Flemeth supports Solas per say, and was resigned to her fate at his hands. I think it is more of she accomplished what she wanted; passing of her "godhood" to Morrigan. Which we only know from dev notes is what Flemeth was doing with the mirror before Solas showed up. I think as far back as DAO Flemeth knew Solas was coming and what he wants to accomplish. She knew he would take her life/power since he would be weak after his long slumber. I also think the soul of the old god was a means of giving Solas the illusion of taking her power, so she could survive in some form. Whether that plan comes to fruition is up the players choice. Maybe I am giving Flemeth to much credit, but she clearly thinks about the long game. Where as Solas lives in the past and plans for the short term. Oh, that sucks even more then.
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Post by jaison1986 on Dec 12, 2017 15:18:45 GMT
I don't think Flemeth supports Solas per say, and was resigned to her fate at his hands. I think it is more of she accomplished what she wanted; passing of her "godhood" to Morrigan. Which we only know from dev notes is what Flemeth was doing with the mirror before Solas showed up. I think as far back as DAO Flemeth knew Solas was coming and what he wants to accomplish. She knew he would take her life/power since he would be weak after his long slumber. I also think the soul of the old god was a means of giving Solas the illusion of taking her power, so she could survive in some form. Whether that plan comes to fruition is up the players choice. Maybe I am giving Flemeth to much credit, but she clearly thinks about the long game. Where as Solas lives in the past and plans for the short term. And what of the circunstance were the inquisitor is bound to her?
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 12, 2017 15:28:45 GMT
I don't think Flemeth supports Solas per say, and was resigned to her fate at his hands. I think it is more of she accomplished what she wanted; passing of her "godhood" to Morrigan. Which we only know from dev notes is what Flemeth was doing with the mirror before Solas showed up. I think as far back as DAO Flemeth knew Solas was coming and what he wants to accomplish. She knew he would take her life/power since he would be weak after his long slumber. I also think the soul of the old god was a means of giving Solas the illusion of taking her power, so she could survive in some form. Whether that plan comes to fruition is up the players choice. Maybe I am giving Flemeth to much credit, but she clearly thinks about the long game. Where as Solas lives in the past and plans for the short term. And what of the circunstance were the inquisitor is bound to her? You wouldn't necessaryily need to be bound to Mythal to get her spirit, it would just mean you are controlled by her. And I could see Morrigan accepting Mythal's spirit/power willingly, now she knows what it actually is. She's always wanted to preserve the past.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Dec 12, 2017 15:40:11 GMT
I don't think Flemeth supports Solas per say, and was resigned to her fate at his hands. I think it is more of she accomplished what she wanted; passing of her "godhood" to Morrigan. Which we only know from dev notes is what Flemeth was doing with the mirror before Solas showed up. I think as far back as DAO Flemeth knew Solas was coming and what he wants to accomplish. She knew he would take her life/power since he would be weak after his long slumber. I also think the soul of the old god was a means of giving Solas the illusion of taking her power, so she could survive in some form. Whether that plan comes to fruition is up the players choice. Maybe I am giving Flemeth to much credit, but she clearly thinks about the long game. Where as Solas lives in the past and plans for the short term. And what of the circunstance were the inquisitor is bound to her? I think Morrigan willingly accepts the "godhood" now that she knows it isn't possession or loss of self. It has been awhile since I have played through DAI(currently in DAO), but doesn't Flemeth say something like "This isn't what I intended or wanted", when she is able to control Morrigan if she drinks from the well.
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Post by jaison1986 on Dec 12, 2017 15:40:19 GMT
And what of the circunstance were the inquisitor is bound to her? You wouldn't necessaryily need to be bound to Mythal to get her spirit, it would just mean you are controlled by her. And I could see Morrigan accepting Mythal's spirit/power willingly, now she knows what it actually is. She's always wanted to preserve the past. I doubt it. Morrigan seems to be pretty happy about not drinking from the well once she realizes the consequences for it.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 12, 2017 15:46:22 GMT
Agree with your first point. Also - how did this thread go from elves to IB? I made a mistake of pointing out that both elven and Qunari protagonist has another elf and Qunari that tells them that they are not "really" elf and Qunari. Which resulted in way too much of "why", please, do not rehash if at all possible. In case of the Elves, the Elven protagonist can argue with Solas and Solas will apologize (sort of). So, in that respect playing Elf (to me) has advantage over Qunari (but not over Dwarf who is unequivocally accepted). But your qunari character isn't really "Qunari". You are Vashoth, and have never lived under the Qun. So some rehashing makes sense in that respect.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 12, 2017 15:48:00 GMT
As playing an Elf I feel all the more confident in the knowledge that I must kill Solas, no matter his excuses or his claims, he is just as bad as the Evanuris and would destroy everything in a vain attempt to fuel his ego . His murder of Mythal completely underpins any moral high ground he might have had, considering he imprisoned the other Gods for the very same crime. While I will feel conflicted, if the world is to survive Solas must die. I think his willingness to kill millions of people for the CHANCE to bring back his elven utopia costs him the moral high ground, tbh
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 12, 2017 15:50:50 GMT
You wouldn't necessaryily need to be bound to Mythal to get her spirit, it would just mean you are controlled by her. And I could see Morrigan accepting Mythal's spirit/power willingly, now she knows what it actually is. She's always wanted to preserve the past. I doubt it. Morrigan seems to be pretty happy about not drinking from the well once she realizes the consequences for it. Because that would be being basically a slave to Mythal. Getting Mythal's spirit isn't exactly the same thing, and I'll point out she was fine with putting an old gods soul in with her child's body. I could see her being drawn to having Mythal's spirit/soul.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 12, 2017 15:52:30 GMT
Wait,k when does he talk about that? Or are you referring to the Tamassrans that are forced to serve as sex slaves for the Qun thing? Isn't everybody under the Qun forced to be some kind of slave? Everyone under the Qun is assigned a "role" in society, and that can never change. I suppose that isn't "slavery" as such, but it is a lack of personal identity: you are not an individual, but a part of a greater whole. Kind of like a cult. Even their names are only descriptors or titles.
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