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Post by phoray on Jan 27, 2018 21:48:59 GMT
I'm just saying I don't know Casey Hudson and I feel like I have more trust in Darrah and Weekes (not that I actually know any of these people.) So his assurances mean nothing to me. It'd be nice if the writers who love and live the story would chime in to calm the fans even if it isn't their job.
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Post by rras1994 on Jan 27, 2018 21:53:43 GMT
I'm just saying I don't know Casey Hudson and I feel like I have more trust in Darrah and Weekes (not that I actually know any of these people.) So his assurances mean nothing to me. It'd be nice if the writers who love and live the story would chime in to calm the fans even if it isn't their job. Would it help to know Mark Darrah retweeted Casey Hudson's tweet and replied with a funny Simpson's gif of Homer going crazy when someone asked how he was doing? Both Patrick Weekes and Mark Darrah seem very positive on twitter so they seem like everything's fine?
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Post by phoray on Jan 27, 2018 21:55:57 GMT
I'm just saying I don't know Casey Hudson and I feel like I have more trust in Darrah and Weekes (not that I actually know any of these people.) So his assurances mean nothing to me. It'd be nice if the writers who love and live the story would chime in to calm the fans even if it isn't their job. Would it help to know Mark Darrah retweeted Casey Hudson's tweet and replied with a funny Simpson's gif of Homer going crazy when someone asked how he was doing? Both Patrick Weekes and Mark Darrah seem very positive on twitter so they seem like everything's fine? I suppose retweeting is like saying it yourself...
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Post by slimgrin727 on Jan 27, 2018 22:10:46 GMT
I suppose I am also concerned by Casey Hudson heading the response on this. To me, he's some Mass Effect guy that left Bioware in a frump and returned randomly. Now he's touching my Dragon Age. I don't want to hear from Hudson that it's okay, I want to hear from Weekes that it's okay. Don't worry, I hear he's hard at work on the endings.
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Post by warden on Jan 27, 2018 22:14:34 GMT
Wekees is like Walters, they should restric their pen to characters, not main story.
without saying that you can feel his Mass Effect style mergin in Dragon Age and paying attention you can see the conflicts that this thing produces.
what people see in this guy is beyond me. But well thinking about it, it's not like they have a lot of writers left anyway.
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Post by mechalynx on Jan 27, 2018 22:21:43 GMT
Unlike Hudson however, the man did not mouth off on "16 different endings" and "No ABC endings here, nosirree." Hudson never mentioned "16 different endings", that's a myth. Don't believe me? Try and find a link that shows him saying it EDIT: The people on Fextralife even combed the old Bioware forums and could not find any place Casey mentioned "sixteen different endings" Well... well... Damn you and your technical correctness. I couldn't find anything to support my claim, although I distinctly remember a screenshot of a folder containing 16 different fmv:s passed around on the old forums. I stand with my ABC mention though, as I have seen that quote on different sites while fact checking just now, and oh boy did that prod at that festering wound. Look, I know deep down that no one wants to release a sub-par game, but I also think that Hudson is too far up his own butt to see outside of his "vision", that the failings of ME3 and ME:A did little to humble him. And that bothers me as he's now the GM, what ever that means.
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Post by phoray on Jan 27, 2018 22:24:47 GMT
Don't worry, I hear he's hard at work on the endings. *laughing* too soon for some, I'm sure.
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Post by Wulfram on Jan 27, 2018 23:28:08 GMT
Hudson never mentioned "16 different endings", that's a myth. Don't believe me? Try and find a link that shows him saying it EDIT: The people on Fextralife even combed the old Bioware forums and could not find any place Casey mentioned "sixteen different endings" Well... well... Damn you and your technical correctness. I couldn't find anything to support my claim, although I distinctly remember a screenshot of a folder containing 16 different fmv:s passed around on the old forums. I stand with my ABC mention though, as I have seen that quote on different sites while fact checking just now, and oh boy did that prod at that festering wound. Look, I know deep down that no one wants to release a sub-par game, but I also think that Hudson is too far up his own butt to see outside of his "vision", that the failings of ME3 and ME:A did little to humble him. And that bothers me as he's now the GM, what ever that means. Being GM means he's probably too senior to be writing the ending of things, so you might see that as a good thing. And I don't think he really had anything to do with Andromeda, that was made when he was either working on Anthem and working for Microsoft. He's only in the credits as "extra special thanks"
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Post by MediocreOgre on Jan 27, 2018 23:39:42 GMT
Oof.
I mean I know it’s all histrionics and over-reaction.... but if BW has to assure us that EA is run by human beings with emotions and personalities.... that’s a bit a bit suspicious.
“Hey all, this is my new friend Mark 01. He’s human. Like you. With feelings. Obviously! I can also assure you he eats and breathes. Yep. Okay. Bye!”
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Post by eskiya on Jan 28, 2018 1:21:45 GMT
I'm hoping by having more 'live service' they mean more NPCs interacting with the environments, maybe the maps going from day to night while you explore, perhaps timed events (think Majora's Mask), etc.
My hope is tiny, but it lives. I think.
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Post by river82 on Jan 28, 2018 1:40:59 GMT
Well... well... Damn you and your technical correctness. I couldn't find anything to support my claim, although I distinctly remember a screenshot of a folder containing 16 different fmv:s passed around on the old forums. I stand with my ABC mention though, as I have seen that quote on different sites while fact checking just now, and oh boy did that prod at that festering wound. Look, I know deep down that no one wants to release a sub-par game, but I also think that Hudson is too far up his own butt to see outside of his "vision", that the failings of ME3 and ME:A did little to humble him. And that bothers me as he's now the GM, what ever that means. Hudson wasn't around for ME:A, but Mac Walters was and he also doesn't see anything wrong with the ME3 endings: “There is a vocal minority and we did want to see what we could do to help that but at the same time I think we also did what we thought was best for the series,” said Walters.Despite the fan backlash, Mass Effect 3 won best RPG at the Video Game Awards and console game of the year at the Canadian Video Game Awards.“I would say it’s vindication because, I was at Fan Expo in Vancouver today and I’ve been to several expos since the ending, by and large, the fans that talked to me are people that either enjoyed the ending or are not necessarily that unhappy with the ending at all,” said Walter’s during the Q&A.o.canada.com/technology/gaming/mass-effect-3s-lead-writer-still-thinks-only-a-vocal-minority-was-upset-over-the-games-endingI'm not saying Hudson doesn't deserve any of the blame but people completely lose perspective. Like I said Walters doesn't get nearly as much shit as Hudson does, not because Hudson committed some grave sins talking about the game, but more due to the emotions of fans. As for the ABC ending thing, I'm not sure what people mean by this but the decisions throughout the game do impact the ending, the simplest explanation of this is the war assets affects your ending. Rather the problem is that in a story (or a game) it doesn't matter what is implemented so much as how it's implemented and it was cocked up a bit. A person could have the best idea in the world but it means nothing if they screw up the implementation, conversely even a generic idea implemented well will result in a more than satisfying result. "Your decisions impact the ending" yeah they did, but people were just expecting ... more. But like I said, in my opinion ME3 was screwed before they even begun. People say Hudson lied and that they should be guilty of false advertising, but I don't think they lied but rather failed to implement their concepts in any sort of meaningful way (because of ME2).
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Post by river82 on Jan 28, 2018 2:07:17 GMT
At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.
It’s more like there are some really obvious things that are different and then lots and lots of smaller things, lots of things about who lives and who dies, civilizations that rose and fell, all the way down to individual characters. That becomes the state of where you left your galaxy. The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them. It would be interesting to see if somebody could put together a chart for that. Even with Mass Effect 2’s...www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/01/10/mass1525-effect-3-cas5ey-fdsafdhudson-interviewae.aspx?PostPageIndex=2Here we go. Now, I hate to be the barer of bad news to people who want to hate on Hudson but ... he's right. There are 3 obvious endings - Red, green, blue (or whatever the colours are, I don't know. I deliberately stop playing before I reach the ending). However there are a number of small differences depending, for example, on your war assets. These small differences increase the number further. THEN there's all the small decisions you made in previous games (Kaiden alive?) that will change the ending again to the point where even if you got ending "Red", your "Red" is different to everybody else's "Red". That's what Casey meant when he said "you can't say you got ending A, B, C". Internet denizens like to take a quote and run with it, though. That's not to say that the ending was fabulous, it wasn't, but fans always like to overreach to justify their feelings about the game - "Bioware lied", "I will never trust them again". No, they didn't lie, they just cocked up the implementation a little bit.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 28, 2018 15:08:51 GMT
Hudson wasn't around for ME:A, but Mac Walters was and he also doesn't see anything wrong with the ME3 endings: In an interview in 2016, Walters did say the endings could have been better
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 17:00:55 GMT
I'm a little surprised that the original release date for DA4 was supposed to be 2016. I feel like there is a lot of missing information from that statement, and not just the MEA debacle and Anthem worries.
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Post by rras1994 on Jan 28, 2018 17:21:19 GMT
I'm a little surprised that the original release date for DA4 was supposed to be 2016. I feel like there is a lot of missing information from that statement, and not just the MEA debacle and Anthem worries. Em, where are you getting that DA4 was originally meant to be released in 2016? The Ask a Game Dev post states that they heard in 2016 that it was going to released pre 2020.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 17:28:55 GMT
I'm a little surprised that the original release date for DA4 was supposed to be 2016. I feel like there is a lot of missing information from that statement, and not just the MEA debacle and Anthem worries. Em, where are you getting that DA4 was originally meant to be released in 2016? The Ask a Game Dev post states that they heard in 2016 that it was going to released pre 2020. D'oh! Well, that explains my confusion. I was playing ACO last night and I was wondering if "live elements" might also include a season pass for content, seems like it would but I don't know about this stuff, because I would totally support something like that for DA. I bet they would make a shit-ton more money too if they included a season pass because even people who don't actually play the extra content would probably still pay for a season pass.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Jan 28, 2018 17:38:01 GMT
Oof. I mean I know it’s all histrionics and over-reaction.... but if BW has to assure us that EA is run by human beings with emotions and personalities.... that’s a bit a bit suspicious. “Hey all, this is my new friend Mark 01. He’s human. Like you. With feelings. Obviously! I can also assure you he eats and breathes. Yep. Okay. Bye!” Thats not exactly reassuring since robots and computer screw up far less than humans.
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 28, 2018 19:05:54 GMT
Here we go. Now, I hate to be the barer of bad news to people who want to hate on Hudson but ... he's right. There are 3 obvious endings - Red, green, blue (or whatever the colours are, I don't know. I deliberately stop playing before I reach the ending). However there are a number of small differences depending, for example, on your war assets. These small differences increase the number further. THEN there's all the small decisions you made in previous games (Kaiden alive?) that will change the ending again to the point where even if you got ending "Red", your "Red" is different to everybody else's "Red". That's what Casey meant when he said "you can't say you got ending A, B, C". Internet denizens like to take a quote and run with it, though. That's not to say that the ending was fabulous, it wasn't, but fans always like to overreach to justify their feelings about the game - "Bioware lied", "I will never trust them again". No, they didn't lie, they just cocked up the implementation a little bit. Technically there are four endings since the EC. I suppose we could call Refuse "Black." Hudson should have known that would be misread and misquoted. OTOH, it's hard to keep your phrases absolutely on-message in an interview.
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Post by rapscallioness on Jan 29, 2018 3:10:03 GMT
Casey urges calm, indeed.
I'm grinding chile with my ass right now.
Disney villain..if it talks like Cruella de Vil and walks like Cruella de vil, then it's Cruella de vil. Trying to talk about it's Youtubers making EA look bad. No, it's you, EA. God damn. We know what your definition of "live service" is; we've seen it repeatedly implemented. You're not talking about season passes or dlc. We know what you're talking about. We know what you get up to when you are left to your own devices, EA. Someone has to be a watchdog.
EA is not interested in making games. They're interested in making platforms to support microtransactions and rng lootboxes. It's a great time to be in the games industry. Or it was, we'll see what impact the BF2 backlash has on their plans. That's my only hope.
I want DA to go forth unto the day, already. But nooo, we got wait for Anthem to roll its fat ass out the bed first.
I'm upset. I'm watching my favorite IP's just disappear--from neglect, really. I'm watching my favorite game devs disappear. When Flynn talks about how in Anthem they're not going to be focusing on story too much, I think I don't even know who you are anymore, BW. Making a "Destiny Killah!!11!" 2 years too late. Destiny's dying by suicide anyway.
Now, I'm not inherently pissed off at Anthem. I might have even given it a try. Truly. But I'm getting increasingly agitated with this myopic focus BW/EA has on Anthem. Its development interfered with MEA and now it's interfering with DA. In addition to the mtx machinations.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jan 29, 2018 5:24:19 GMT
Casey urges calm, indeed. I'm grinding chile with my ass right now. Disney villain..if it talks like Cruella de Vil and walks like Cruella de vil, then it's Cruella de vil. Trying to talk about it's Youtubers making EA look bad. No, it's you, EA. God damn. We know what your definition of "live service" is; we've seen it repeatedly implemented. You're not talking about season passes or dlc. We know what you're talking about. We know what you get up to when you are left to your own devices, EA. Someone has to be a watchdog. EA is not interested in making games. They're interested in making platforms to support microtransactions and rng lootboxes. It's a great time to be in the games industry. Or it was, we'll see what impact the BF2 backlash has on their plans. That's my only hope. I want DA to go forth unto the day, already. But nooo, we got wait for Anthem to roll its fat ass out the bed first. I'm upset. I'm watching my favorite IP's just disappear--from neglect, really. I'm watching my favorite game devs disappear. When Flynn talks about how in Anthem they're not going to be focusing on story too much, I think I don't even know who you are anymore, BW. Making a "Destiny Killah!!11!" 2 years too late. Destiny's dying by suicide anyway. Now, I'm not inherently pissed off at Anthem. I might have even given it a try. Truly. But I'm getting increasingly agitated with this myopic focus BW/EA has on Anthem. Its development interfered with MEA and now it's interfering with DA. In addition to the mtx machinations. If nothing else, Anthem will be 'entertaining'.
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Post by rapscallioness on Jan 29, 2018 6:57:25 GMT
If nothing else, Anthem will be 'entertaining'. I've had about all the "entertainment" I can take these days. lol. sigh. Even though I'm salty, I do hope that Anthem is judged fairly. On its own terms. Whatever that may end up being.
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Post by river82 on Jan 29, 2018 7:57:39 GMT
I want DA to go forth unto the day, already. But nooo, we got wait for Anthem to roll its fat ass out the bed first. 6 year now I think. Which is a long time for a game to be in development. Mass Effect 3 took 2 years, for example. Inquisition took 3. Now Anthem's taken about 6 and now is requiring most staff from Edmonton and Austin? Looks like a weirdly huge amount of manpower, and I'm wondering for a game to be in development that long how much it would have cost to develop? If Anthem is delayed to 2019, that's 7 years ...
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Post by Iakus on Jan 29, 2018 15:40:53 GMT
Technically there are four endings since the EC. I suppose we could call Refuse "Black." Hudson should have known that would be misread and misquoted. OTOH, it's hard to keep your phrases absolutely on-message in an interview. Or "Yellow" Or "Chicken Sh*t Brown" What they REALLY should have predicted was that these endings just weren't gonna cut it for the capstone to a trilogy.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 29, 2018 15:49:00 GMT
Hudson wasn't around for ME:A, but Mac Walters was and he also doesn't see anything wrong with the ME3 endings: In an interview in 2016, Walters did say the endings could have been better Have we ever seen these two in the same place at the same time?
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Post by SwobyJ on Jan 29, 2018 17:31:17 GMT
I want DA to go forth unto the day, already. But nooo, we got wait for Anthem to roll its fat ass out the bed first. 6 year now I think. Which is a long time for a game to be in development. Mass Effect 3 took 2 years, for example. Inquisition took 3. Now Anthem's taken about 6 and now is requiring most staff from Edmonton and Austin? Looks like a weirdly huge amount of manpower, and I'm wondering for a game to be in development that long how much it would have cost to develop? If Anthem is delayed to 2019, that's 7 years ... The better speculation is that they don't need to just be ready for a relatively easier game (to develop) plus potentially DLC, but instead a relatively harder game plus a content platform plan for at least a couple years. The worse speculation is we have another MEA on our hands, but maybe worse. The uh, medium speculation is that its just been a weighty project and they're really trying to ensure it is ready, and so like many games, that can take to several years. ME3 was somewhat piggybacking off ME2's longer (3 or so?) years and DAI, big as it was, and even with the extension to 2014 it got, still had many parts where it was pretty clear babies/darlings were killed (uh, as the phrase goes). So to be somewhat optimistic, we can still consider that Bioware, at least for this one big New IP, really doesn't want to cut almost anything. They want to jump over the genre competition, especially if they're at least somewhat forsaking old fans by not focusing on story (at least as much). I don't really want to be somewhat optimistic, but I think its still an option haha. Several year development sucks but is far from unheard of, and is often arguably necessary for many 'GOTY's.
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