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Post by MediocreOgre on Jan 29, 2018 18:25:33 GMT
Oof. I mean I know it’s all histrionics and over-reaction.... but if BW has to assure us that EA is run by human beings with emotions and personalities.... that’s a bit a bit suspicious. “Hey all, this is my new friend Mark 01. He’s human. Like you. With feelings. Obviously! I can also assure you he eats and breathes. Yep. Okay. Bye!” Thats not exactly reassuring since robots and computer screw up far less than humans. I’m all for replacing bumbling and mean and egomaniacal humans with competent selfless machines, but robots kind of suck right now. So I guess we’re getting the worst of both worlds right now. Also, BioWare. I still love you... but no one is comparing EA to Disney villains. Disney villains are the best part of any Disney movie. EA is not that cool.
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 29, 2018 20:53:52 GMT
Technically there are four endings since the EC. I suppose we could call Refuse "Black." Hudson should have known that would be misread and misquoted. OTOH, it's hard to keep your phrases absolutely on-message in an interview. Or "Yellow" Or "Chicken Sh*t Brown" What they REALLY should have predicted was that these endings just weren't gonna cut it for the capstone to a trilogy. If you like. But that ship had sailed by the time Hudson did that interview. His job was to talk about the ending they had, not some ending he might have wished they had.
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Post by linksocarina on Jan 29, 2018 21:01:19 GMT
Well, that's the reason dev's don't come out and explain what's going on. I was reading a thread the other day about the Amy Hennig Polygon interview the other day were she discusses that it costs about $100 million on a new IP linear single player game and that people keep asking to make them but don't actually buy them - it was awful the number of comments that were having a go at her past work history ot calling her a "liar" or "corporate shill". No one wants to face that, specially when it can get a whole lot worse than that. Some people just believe what they want to believe and if the person they deem evil says otherwise then clearly they’re lying. Those people are called idiots. I'm sorry, but i'm kind of sick of that sort of behavior permeating everything around us as of late, be it politics or the economy, sociology or gaming. This sort of polarization of points of view, this challenge of authority and expertise by armchair quarterbacking and full-blown theorycrafting...and then taking them seriously...it bothers me enough as an educator when I see it in my day job, but that kind of ignorance needs to be nipped in the bud regardless of how loud the mob gets. It erodes the culture as a whole.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 29, 2018 21:22:16 GMT
The only time I ever want to connect to the Internet to play a single-player game is to register it, and even then that's only out of necessity. Seconded! I prefer to play games offline most of the time, since wifi dropping and disconnections in the middle of gaming are a chore. If you aren't playing multiplayer (and we don't need multiplayer), you shouldn't be forced to be online to enjoy the SP content. Anyone remember the calamity EA faced a couple years ago when SimCity suffered constant connection problems at launch, preventing anyone from even playing the game. It also raised a lot of complaints because an active internet connection was required for SP. Why haven't we abandoned this trend, because it seems that most players actively hate it? I don't. I love my easily customizable world-states in Dragon Age Keep (btw. that's a live service) and want DAK to be further implemented into experience. So do I, but I don't have to use the Keep to play DAI. It's optional. Especially when the Keep could easily be included as part of the base game. I'd have placed the ability to customise worldstate in the options menu, allowing players the freedom to easily change their desire DA history without having to exit the game. The DAK really doesn't need to be an online component, if you really think about it.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jan 29, 2018 21:35:04 GMT
Some people just believe what they want to believe and if the person they deem evil says otherwise then clearly they’re lying. Those people are called idiots. I'm sorry, but i'm kind of sick of that sort of behavior permeating everything around us as of late, be it politics or the economy, sociology or gaming. This sort of polarization of points of view, this challenge of authority and expertise by armchair quarterbacking and full-blown theorycrafting...and then taking them seriously...it bothers me enough as an educator when I see it in my day job, but that kind of ignorance needs to be nipped in the bud regardless of how loud the mob gets. It erodes the culture as a whole. Authorities and educators on the matter have been completely wrong about me and my intent before (gay), so I welcome skepticism. But sure, outright and often arrogant claims to objective knowledge suck, and they can be harmful as a mob. I don't really get bothered of the 'challenge' though. In fact, I'm a little skeptical to hear an educator admonish challenge to their knowledge. I think that's actually a good thing. But only a little skeptical, as you included the context of 'armchair quarterbacking' and 'full-blown theorycrafting', and if you leave it there then cool.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jan 29, 2018 21:40:02 GMT
The only time I ever want to connect to the Internet to play a single-player game is to register it, and even then that's only out of necessity. Seconded! I prefer to play games offline most of the time, since wifi dropping and disconnections in the middle of gaming are a chore. If you aren't playing multiplayer (and we don't need multiplayer), you shouldn't be forced to be online to enjoy the SP content. Anyone remember the calamity EA faced a couple years ago when SimCity suffered constant connection problems at launch, preventing anyone from even playing the game. It also raised a lot of complaints because an active internet connection was required for SP. Why haven't we abandoned this trend, because it seems that most players actively hate it? So do I, but I don't have to use the Keep to play DAI. It's optional. Especially when the Keep could easily be included as part of the base game. I'd have placed the ability to customise worldstate in the options menu, allowing players the freedom to easily change their desire DA history without having to exit the game. The DAK really doesn't need to be an online component, if you really think about it. They hate it, but still buy into it much more often than they don't. Or at least enough that it doesn't really hurt the profit interest, for the most part. The pros still outweigh the cons for the company leadership. Online components have some benefits, as 'live services' do (such micropatching updates that we don't even know it), but one of the biggest to the company is that it erodes more and more of your ownership of a product, and increases the importance of you only buying access to a licence with limited power. The more it becomes a 'service', the less rights you have as an owner. They can do whatever, lockbox the hell out of a thing, and shut it down, and you have no game, but here's the next one! Of course the change, technologically, economically, and socially has to be done incrementally and Simcity is but a bump in the road. It may only stop through things like massive consumer revolt (unlikely), regulation (uh, I think unlikely), or external disaster bringing one or both of the previous things (I can't think of what would do it, but maybe a gigantic and massively harmful hack through gaming software). But few are gonna care about DA Keep being on browser service, so boiling frog and such.
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Post by linksocarina on Jan 29, 2018 23:23:34 GMT
Those people are called idiots. I'm sorry, but i'm kind of sick of that sort of behavior permeating everything around us as of late, be it politics or the economy, sociology or gaming. This sort of polarization of points of view, this challenge of authority and expertise by armchair quarterbacking and full-blown theorycrafting...and then taking them seriously...it bothers me enough as an educator when I see it in my day job, but that kind of ignorance needs to be nipped in the bud regardless of how loud the mob gets. It erodes the culture as a whole. Authorities and educators on the matter have been completely wrong about me and my intent before (gay), so I welcome skepticism. But sure, outright and often arrogant claims to objective knowledge suck, and they can be harmful as a mob. I don't really get bothered of the 'challenge' though. In fact, I'm a little skeptical to hear an educator admonish challenge to their knowledge. I think that's actually a good thing. But only a little skeptical, as you included the context of 'armchair quarterbacking' and 'full-blown theorycrafting', and if you leave it there then cool. Being skeptical is a good thing I agree, but the problem is it should be other authority figures, educators, experts and the like actually challenging the claims of knowledge to overturn them, and what we often see is outsiders basically enacting in the contexts I described at the top en masse to control such narratives. It turns outside skepticism into full blown "facts" in the hands of those who are not true experts in that subject, and that in turn diminishes the effects of good expertise in any field. So if my doctor thinks something is wrong with me, the doctor can be wrong in his diagnosis, but the doctor is still more equipped than I am to find the real answer. And if they are wrong it doesn't mean we diminish the advice of doctors worldwide. That is what second opinions are for . In terms of education, if a student tells me that Alexander the Great was murdered by his lover or something like that, I would see what other experts, other historians and peers, have to say about that vs listen to just my student on the claim. It doesn't really change the lesson or context of the discussion or the knowledge there, unless I get enough evidence to be proven wrong. And this all pertains to what I am seeing here in terms of gaming, but its harder to comprehend because we can never know the truth about what is actually happening. I'm willing to take BioWare's word for what is going on and leave my personal skepticism as that, but every single person, blog post, video or article that is taking what was said and effectively twisting it into news and prophetic wisdom is poor form to me. Were seeing folks claiming to be doctors but often lack the credentials of it, in other words.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 29, 2018 23:36:08 GMT
Especially when the Keep could easily be included as part of the base game. I'd have placed the ability to customise worldstate in the options menu, allowing players the freedom to easily change their desire DA history without having to exit the game. The DAK really doesn't need to be an online component, if you really think about it. DAK wasn't an online component in DAO and DA2 - I'd like to point out that we're not porting world-states out of those games, as even when they were new, there were issues with those systems that ultimately were unfixable. So, considering that what we have with DA is a series, I prefer that series to be linked to external database, where not only I have insight into what happened from game one, but view it all as continuous history (hope they'll eventually update Varric's VO and update story for Inquisition). I mean, nevermind that such database can be easily expanded with no need to update game/spend money on console certification for patches. Plus, I like all the additional things, like that I can buy and keep my comics in it too.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 29, 2018 23:52:52 GMT
They hate it, but still buy into it much more often than they don't. Or at least enough that it doesn't really hurt the profit interest, for the most part. The pros still outweigh the cons for the company leadership. Online components have some benefits, as 'live services' do (such micropatching updates that we don't even know it), but one of the biggest to the company is that it erodes more and more of your ownership of a product, and increases the importance of you only buying access to a licence with limited power. That's what you always did. You never bought 'a game' - merely its copy that you had very limited rights to. That's true with almost everything that is someone else's intellectual property. And this isn't just an 'issue' with games - Internet has generally changed people's attitude towards digital goods. It has little to do with erosion of 'ownership of the product', which was always fairly illusory in the first place, but us realizing that a thing can have value and no physical manifestation. This is why movie industry is almost all digital now. Music industry too. And now it's time for game industry. It's simply cheaper and more convenient that way, for everyone. If my CD is scratched or my computer can't play the game anymore, for whatever reason, then it doesn't matter whether I owe physical copy of the game or not.
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Post by river82 on Jan 30, 2018 1:30:10 GMT
If my CD is scratched or my computer can't play the game anymore, for whatever reason, then it doesn't matter whether I owe physical copy of the game or not. The world gave everybody a humungous punch in the vulnerable bits when it was ruled that copying a legally bought piece of media for archival reasons was illegal. Don't know if that applies to games or not, I know it applies to movies in America >:c Though I guess everybody streams movies these days (#notme), so ...
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 30, 2018 2:43:40 GMT
The only time I ever want to connect to the Internet to play a single-player game is to register it, and even then that's only out of necessity. Seconded! I prefer to play games offline most of the time, since wifi dropping and disconnections in the middle of gaming are a chore. If you aren't playing multiplayer (and we don't need multiplayer), you shouldn't be forced to be online to enjoy the SP content. Yeah, my sole source of Internet access for the last ten years has been through my phone (I live in the middle of nowhere), so anything that requires a continuous or frequent connection... no bueno.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jan 30, 2018 4:44:56 GMT
Seconded! I prefer to play games offline most of the time, since wifi dropping and disconnections in the middle of gaming are a chore. If you aren't playing multiplayer (and we don't need multiplayer), you shouldn't be forced to be online to enjoy the SP content. Yeah, my sole source of Internet access for the last ten years has been through my phone (I live in the middle of nowhere), so anything that requires a continuous or frequent connection... no bueno. Patching your games must be an unending hell....
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 30, 2018 4:53:22 GMT
Yeah, my sole source of Internet access for the last ten years has been through my phone (I live in the middle of nowhere), so anything that requires a continuous or frequent connection... no bueno. Patching your games must be an unending hell.... I mostly ignore them...
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Post by colfoley on Jan 30, 2018 6:02:50 GMT
*peeks head in* Some people really do like making something out of nothing.
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 30, 2018 7:13:14 GMT
Seconded! I prefer to play games offline most of the time, since wifi dropping and disconnections in the middle of gaming are a chore. If you aren't playing multiplayer (and we don't need multiplayer), you shouldn't be forced to be online to enjoy the SP content. Anyone remember the calamity EA faced a couple years ago when SimCity suffered constant connection problems at launch, preventing anyone from even playing the game. It also raised a lot of complaints because an active internet connection was required for SP. Why haven't we abandoned this trend, because it seems that most players actively hate it? I doubt the percentage of players who actively hate needing a persistent internet connection is all that high. Don't the vast majority of gamers have decent broadband these days?
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Post by SwobyJ on Jan 30, 2018 7:36:34 GMT
Authorities and educators on the matter have been completely wrong about me and my intent before (gay), so I welcome skepticism. But sure, outright and often arrogant claims to objective knowledge suck, and they can be harmful as a mob. I don't really get bothered of the 'challenge' though. In fact, I'm a little skeptical to hear an educator admonish challenge to their knowledge. I think that's actually a good thing. But only a little skeptical, as you included the context of 'armchair quarterbacking' and 'full-blown theorycrafting', and if you leave it there then cool. Being skeptical is a good thing I agree, but the problem is it should be other authority figures, educators, experts and the like actually challenging the claims of knowledge to overturn them, and what we often see is outsiders basically enacting in the contexts I described at the top en masse to control such narratives. It turns outside skepticism into full blown "facts" in the hands of those who are not true experts in that subject, and that in turn diminishes the effects of good expertise in any field. So if my doctor thinks something is wrong with me, the doctor can be wrong in his diagnosis, but the doctor is still more equipped than I am to find the real answer. And if they are wrong it doesn't mean we diminish the advice of doctors worldwide. That is what second opinions are for . In terms of education, if a student tells me that Alexander the Great was murdered by his lover or something like that, I would see what other experts, other historians and peers, have to say about that vs listen to just my student on the claim. It doesn't really change the lesson or context of the discussion or the knowledge there, unless I get enough evidence to be proven wrong. And this all pertains to what I am seeing here in terms of gaming, but its harder to comprehend because we can never know the truth about what is actually happening. I'm willing to take BioWare's word for what is going on and leave my personal skepticism as that, but every single person, blog post, video or article that is taking what was said and effectively twisting it into news and prophetic wisdom is poor form to me. Were seeing folks claiming to be doctors but often lack the credentials of it, in other words. Okay, I get that. I guess what I was coming from is that while I'm not an 'authority in the industry', I'm also not a rumormonger, yet I did say that I had my own 2nd/3rd hand sources that gave me what I considered evidence that MEA was on earlier shaker ground. Am I bad for saying what I got? I don't think so. If I put it in a Youtube video and seek clicks blatantly? Maybe?
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Post by SwobyJ on Jan 30, 2018 7:39:39 GMT
Seconded! I prefer to play games offline most of the time, since wifi dropping and disconnections in the middle of gaming are a chore. If you aren't playing multiplayer (and we don't need multiplayer), you shouldn't be forced to be online to enjoy the SP content. Anyone remember the calamity EA faced a couple years ago when SimCity suffered constant connection problems at launch, preventing anyone from even playing the game. It also raised a lot of complaints because an active internet connection was required for SP. Why haven't we abandoned this trend, because it seems that most players actively hate it? I doubt the percentage of players who actively hate needing a persistent internet connection is all that high. Don't the vast majority of gamers have decent broadband these days? Broadband? Sure. Data caps? A plague. (not for me though. I have a working high speed and high cap where I'm at; Rogers really really wanted to hook my whole apt building up so they gave a pretty sweet deal)
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 30, 2018 7:47:28 GMT
Caps are still a thing? (Well, technically I've got one, but it's 4 TB a month or so.)
This is just me being clueless, probably.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jan 30, 2018 8:47:24 GMT
Caps are still a thing? (Well, technically I've got one, but it's 4 TB a month or so.) This is just me being clueless, probably. Yes, though they're gradually going away as we approach the 2020s. I just checked my regional Bell Internet (Canada) and the first two Internet packages are 20GB and 350GB. The next four are 'unlimited', but its never fully unlimited (and to an extent, understandably). Its enough that I'm sure there's still a sizable population who have it that downloads of 10s of GB is daunting, and 1s of GB at least gets a thought.
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Post by naughtynomad on Jan 30, 2018 8:59:49 GMT
Saw Dragon Age 4 pop up on my gaming Newsfeed, so I popped in to see what the buzz is. All I can say is that "live elements" better take a back seat or I'm another long-time fan who will not buy. EA needs to learn, and it seems more and more people teach them their lesson through their wallets. Hope all you do the same. Don't buy for a "Dragon Age" name. Only buy if it something you think you'll genuinely enjoy playing.
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Post by linksocarina on Jan 31, 2018 4:19:38 GMT
If nothing else, Anthem will be 'entertaining'. I've had about all the "entertainment" I can take these days. lol. sigh. Even though I'm salty, I do hope that Anthem is judged fairly. On its own terms. Whatever that may end up being. A lot of people won't, just because it's EA. And that's the worst thing of all.
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Post by linksocarina on Jan 31, 2018 4:21:10 GMT
Being skeptical is a good thing I agree, but the problem is it should be other authority figures, educators, experts and the like actually challenging the claims of knowledge to overturn them, and what we often see is outsiders basically enacting in the contexts I described at the top en masse to control such narratives. It turns outside skepticism into full blown "facts" in the hands of those who are not true experts in that subject, and that in turn diminishes the effects of good expertise in any field. So if my doctor thinks something is wrong with me, the doctor can be wrong in his diagnosis, but the doctor is still more equipped than I am to find the real answer. And if they are wrong it doesn't mean we diminish the advice of doctors worldwide. That is what second opinions are for . In terms of education, if a student tells me that Alexander the Great was murdered by his lover or something like that, I would see what other experts, other historians and peers, have to say about that vs listen to just my student on the claim. It doesn't really change the lesson or context of the discussion or the knowledge there, unless I get enough evidence to be proven wrong. And this all pertains to what I am seeing here in terms of gaming, but its harder to comprehend because we can never know the truth about what is actually happening. I'm willing to take BioWare's word for what is going on and leave my personal skepticism as that, but every single person, blog post, video or article that is taking what was said and effectively twisting it into news and prophetic wisdom is poor form to me. Were seeing folks claiming to be doctors but often lack the credentials of it, in other words. Okay, I get that. I guess what I was coming from is that while I'm not an 'authority in the industry', I'm also not a rumormonger, yet I did say that I had my own 2nd/3rd hand sources that gave me what I considered evidence that MEA was on earlier shaker ground. Am I bad for saying what I got? I don't think so. If I put it in a Youtube video and seek clicks blatantly? Maybe? No not at all, but what makes that sort of shakey is the presentation of the information. Don't be Alex Jones, basically.
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Post by aslightjump on Jan 31, 2018 6:39:18 GMT
From the phrasing it sounds to me like its going to be, like others suggested, the AC:O brand of 'multiplayer,' which were basically just Radiant Quests. Which was fine, AC:O was a fun game and you could readily ignore or turn off those features. So right now, personally, nothing to stress about, except maybe that Anthem seems to be screwing up the production cycle or however the hell they run themselves in the gaming world.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jan 31, 2018 20:19:59 GMT
Okay, I get that. I guess what I was coming from is that while I'm not an 'authority in the industry', I'm also not a rumormonger, yet I did say that I had my own 2nd/3rd hand sources that gave me what I considered evidence that MEA was on earlier shaker ground. Am I bad for saying what I got? I don't think so. If I put it in a Youtube video and seek clicks blatantly? Maybe? No not at all, but what makes that sort of shakey is the presentation of the information. Don't be Alex Jones, basically. Belongs in the "Words to live by" thread in Off-topic
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jan 31, 2018 20:21:14 GMT
Patching your games must be an unending hell.... I mostly ignore them... Edge-Lord But....does that mean you didn't get the 'walk button' patch for DA:I???
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