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Post by phoray on Feb 7, 2018 17:28:16 GMT
how do your roleplay a blood mage in dai when there is nothing in the underwhelming magic skill trees that comes anywhere close? Hawke in DAI. (But ofc, I'm sure, some of my mages (especially the Trevelyans) know the blood magic well, but in the Inquisition, they doesn't use it.) oh, yes, you wrote as if you were the thoughts of Hawke. Those are my same thoughts on the matter. Blood magic where you use your own blood is merely a battery to fuel spells, just like lyrium can be a battery. Using others as puppets and scarifices is what my Hawke's abhor.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Feb 8, 2018 1:19:15 GMT
Here's kind of a random question, but it's still related to my role-playing concerns: What do you all think about taking the Blood Mage specialization in DAO and DAII? I know it doesn't really mean anything for the story, but these days it's getting harder for me to choose it. It's hard to rationalize how my characters could use blood magic and somehow not suffer any consequences for it. I don't like to use it in DA2 for roleplaying reasons. Hawke's attitude towards blood magic in DAI, how Malcolm raised his kids to feel about blood magic, romancing Fenris, and I like the idea that Hawke is the "normal" responsible mage in a sea of blood mages and abominations. No such problems in DAO. I had an angry anti-Circle Surana who used Jowan's incompetence to hide her own use of blood magic. The only consequences she really suffered were physical (for.... obvious reasons). But I don't think she earned the trust of a whole lot of people.... she drank Avernus's potion, sacrificed Isolde.... Did Malcolm raise his kids to not use blood magic? I recall he said magic should be used for noble purposes, but I don't remember anything about blood magic specifically. Would be a bit hypocritical, really.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 8, 2018 1:57:24 GMT
I don't like to use it in DA2 for roleplaying reasons. Hawke's attitude towards blood magic in DAI, how Malcolm raised his kids to feel about blood magic, romancing Fenris, and I like the idea that Hawke is the "normal" responsible mage in a sea of blood mages and abominations. No such problems in DAO. I had an angry anti-Circle Surana who used Jowan's incompetence to hide her own use of blood magic. The only consequences she really suffered were physical (for.... obvious reasons). But I don't think she earned the trust of a whole lot of people.... she drank Avernus's potion, sacrificed Isolde.... Did Malcolm raise his kids to not use blood magic? I recall he said magic should be used for noble purposes, but I don't remember anything about blood magic specifically. Would be a bit hypocritical, really. Just going off these comments in Legacy, I mean... Janeka: To avert the Blights, forbidden magics are sometimes necessary. Carver: For [Wardens], maybe. My father knew better. Bethany: No! He always warned me never to take that risk. He wouldn't have... (Obviously Malcolm turned to blood magic when Leandra and baby Hawke were threatened, we know that, but he certainly wasn't happy about it and it sounds like he instilled that same attitude in his kids.)
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Post by Catilina on Feb 8, 2018 2:08:54 GMT
Did Malcolm raise his kids to not use blood magic? I recall he said magic should be used for noble purposes, but I don't remember anything about blood magic specifically. Would be a bit hypocritical, really. Just going off these comments in Legacy, I mean... Janeka: To avert the Blights, forbidden magics are sometimes necessary. Carver: For [Wardens], maybe. My father knew better. Bethany: No! He always warned me never to take that risk. He wouldn't have... (Obviously Malcolm turned to blood magic when Leandra and baby Hawke were threatened, we know that, but he certainly wasn't happy about it and it sounds like he instilled that same attitude in his kids.) Yes, it's true, but the kids not always follow their parents. Seems Malcolm was against the blood magic and he warned his children, this is dangerous, just as the demons (Bethany, for example, can't test Keran as Anders or Merril can, because, as she said, she rather takes the distance from the demons.)
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 8, 2018 2:24:04 GMT
Just going off these comments in Legacy, I mean... Janeka: To avert the Blights, forbidden magics are sometimes necessary. Carver: For [Wardens], maybe. My father knew better. Bethany: No! He always warned me never to take that risk. He wouldn't have... (Obviously Malcolm turned to blood magic when Leandra and baby Hawke were threatened, we know that, but he certainly wasn't happy about it and it sounds like he instilled that same attitude in his kids.) Yes, it's true, but the kids not always follow their parents. Seems Malcolm was against the blood magic and he warned his children, this is dangerous, just as the demons (Bethany, for example, can't test Keran as Anders or Merril can, because, as she said, she rather takes the distance from the demons.) Sure, I just like the idea of my Hawkes not being blood mages and Bethany and Carvers' reactions are part of my justification for that... certainly kids don't have to do as their parents do.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 8, 2018 2:27:58 GMT
I don't like to use it in DA2 for roleplaying reasons. Hawke's attitude towards blood magic in DAI, how Malcolm raised his kids to feel about blood magic, romancing Fenris, and I like the idea that Hawke is the "normal" responsible mage in a sea of blood mages and abominations. No such problems in DAO. I had an angry anti-Circle Surana who used Jowan's incompetence to hide her own use of blood magic. The only consequences she really suffered were physical (for.... obvious reasons). But I don't think she earned the trust of a whole lot of people.... she drank Avernus's potion, sacrificed Isolde.... Did Malcolm raise his kids to not use blood magic? I recall he said magic should be used for noble purposes, but I don't remember anything about blood magic specifically. Would be a bit hypocritical, really. It's right, that we can use the blood magic for the noble purpose, and even right that Malcolm used the blood magic, at least once, but even if he would a blood mage, I'm not sure it's a hypocrisy, he didn't want his children to use that. This is a dangerous kind of magic. If someone doing/did a dangerous job, crime etc, not necessarily wants, that his/her children continue that practice.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 8, 2018 3:01:28 GMT
Yes, it's true, but the kids not always follow their parents. Seems Malcolm was against the blood magic and he warned his children, this is dangerous, just as the demons (Bethany, for example, can't test Keran as Anders or Merril can, because, as she said, she rather takes the distance from the demons.) Sure, I just like the idea of my Hawkes not being blood mages and Bethany and Carvers' reactions are part of my justification for that... certainly kids don't have to do as their parents do. True, Hawke always suspicious about the blood magic, but not necessarily condemn that. for example, when s/he meets with Merrill, s/he can warn her, that the demons aren't so benevolent, but even can say, this worked well. And can deal with demons, not once. Not my every Hawke's a blood mage, someone of them thinks: he able to kill the Templars if need, without blood magic too. Te others more cautious: want to be prepared for everything. And I have one-two, who rather peaceful. (But, ofc, I prefer the crazy ones... they have more sense in Kirkwall) It depends on: how we imagine the character. A peaceful and faithful Andrastian Hawke probably rather hiding, and try to avoid the too much attention, and keep him/herself away from the trouble. Probably this was what Malcolm taught to his children. And probably Hawke able to fight with blades... A provocative, defiant stubborn Hawke, try to prepare for the fight, more inclined to use blood magic. And there are so many possibilities. And Carver, Bethany, Leandra and Malcolm don't need to know, Hawke's a blood mage.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Feb 8, 2018 18:27:35 GMT
Did Malcolm raise his kids to not use blood magic? I recall he said magic should be used for noble purposes, but I don't remember anything about blood magic specifically. Would be a bit hypocritical, really. Just going off these comments in Legacy, I mean... Janeka: To avert the Blights, forbidden magics are sometimes necessary. Carver: For [Wardens], maybe. My father knew better. Bethany: No! He always warned me never to take that risk. He wouldn't have... (Obviously Malcolm turned to blood magic when Leandra and baby Hawke were threatened, we know that, but he certainly wasn't happy about it and it sounds like he instilled that same attitude in his kids.) Interesting. I've not heard that dialogue, as far as I remember.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 8, 2018 18:57:44 GMT
Just going off these comments in Legacy, I mean... Janeka: To avert the Blights, forbidden magics are sometimes necessary. Carver: For [Wardens], maybe. My father knew better. Bethany: No! He always warned me never to take that risk. He wouldn't have... (Obviously Malcolm turned to blood magic when Leandra and baby Hawke were threatened, we know that, but he certainly wasn't happy about it and it sounds like he instilled that same attitude in his kids.) Interesting. I've not heard that dialogue, as far as I remember. It's really interesting! I love hearing everyone's thoughts on Hawke's family drama.
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Post by duskwanderer on Feb 11, 2018 20:39:44 GMT
A.) The mages have no desire to help. We see it when we talk to them. B.) The templars, actually, do want to help. It is their leader, Lord Seeker Lucius, who does not. C.) Templars are trained to fight demons in the mortal world: Iron Bull also discusses it when you talk to him about Cullen, who remarks that he fights as if fighting demons, specifically. D.) Cassandra made her statement, true. That doesn't mean they are the most effective solution to the problem. Not to mention she tends to have some sympathies towards them given her history with Regallien. Plus, she's perfectly okay with the templars should you make that choice. They do. Fiona offered their help, but Alexius tricked them later. You only can see, when they followed that dickhead, whose dog punch a Chantry Mother. So: they don't show any willingness to cooperate to fighting against the demons. Not better than mages, still. Yes. Cassandra suggests the mages, and she's a Seeker, she knows the Templars too. Of course, she totally okay with the Templars too. Just as Cullen later totally okay with the mages too... A.) Quite the opposite. The mages are extremely divided. We see this in Redcliffe You saw one person do that. The rank and file, as we see support the Inquisition. Yes, better than mages. That is why templars are sent against demons. You're ignoring Cassandra's sympathies. Further, she doesn't have any experience with Templars as far as we can see.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 11, 2018 20:50:38 GMT
They do. Fiona offered their help, but Alexius tricked them later. You only can see, when they followed that dickhead, whose dog punch a Chantry Mother. So: they don't show any willingness to cooperate to fighting against the demons. Not better than mages, still. Yes. Cassandra suggests the mages, and she's a Seeker, she knows the Templars too. Of course, she totally okay with the Templars too. Just as Cullen later totally okay with the mages too... A.) Quite the opposite. The mages are extremely divided. We see this in Redcliffe You saw one person do that. The rank and file, as we see support the Inquisition. Yes, better than mages. That is why templars are sent against demons. You're ignoring Cassandra's sympathies. Further, she doesn't have any experience with Templars as far as we can see. The Templars are also extremely divided. Most of them totally nuts. And they betrayed Justinia. Most of the mages wanted to join because oppose to serve Tevinter. Only one mage we saw, who refused the Inquisition. The Templars are sent against the Mages. They can fight with the demons, but not better. You saw it in Origins. Only what Greagoir was able to do: closed the door. Wynne and the other mages kept away the demons. Cassandra's a Seeker. She knows the Templars better than they themselves. The Seekers are the Templars' superiors.
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Post by phoray on Feb 11, 2018 22:09:22 GMT
Stepping back from the invidual players of the mage Templar debate, I want to point out that the Templars signed a contract hundreds of years ago that pledged their Allegiance to the Chantry. They were not abandoned, they intentionally broke off their contract.
The mages never signed a contract, two forces, the Chantry and the Templars, enforced their capture, training, and subsequent execution if they didn't pass a Contrived test that didn't mimic real life at all.
I hardly hear ANY stories of abominations in Dalish Clans, yet they're rampant in the towers. The Chantry isn't blind- they totally understand and profit off the magical baubles these towers sell to the non magical masses. Making them Tranquil is an almost double down on the profit with none of the losses except the non magical masses may disapprove too much. Maybe not the late Justinia, but there has to have been some experimentation regarding making regular criminals tranquil, I don't doubt.
Additionally, every game has seen Templars be subverted by demons almost more easily than mages. Because they think they're immune, the poor fools.
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Post by xerrai on Feb 11, 2018 22:44:11 GMT
Stepping back from the invidual players of the mage Templar debate, I want to point out that the Templars signed a contract hundreds of years ago that pledged their Allegiance to the Chantry. They were not abandoned, they intentionally broke off their contract. The mages never signed a contract, two forces, the Chantry and the Templars, enforced their capture, training, and subsequent execution if they didn't pass a Contrived test that didn't mimic real life at all. I hardly hear ANY stories of abominations in Dalish Clans, yet they're rampant in the towers. The Chantry isn't blind- they totally understand and profit off the magical baubles these towers sell to the non magical masses. Making them Tranquil is an almost double down on the profit with none of the losses except the non magical masses may disapprove too much. Maybe not the late Justinia, but there has to have been some experimentation regarding making regular criminals tranquil, I don't doubt. Additionally, every game has seen Templars be subverted by demons almost more easily than mages. Because they think they're immune, the poor fools. Not disagreeing with you or anything, but I do want to provide some context for those who are interested. While the templar order did sign a treat hundreds of years ago (the Nevarran Accord), the Lord Seeker only annulled that treaty under the premise of two things. The first, was that Divine helped the mage rebellion and that such actions needed to fought against. To quote from his letter: "I will not stay idle and watch you destroy what ages of tradition and righteousness have built." The second and debatably most important premise of the annulment was that the Circle of Magi was dissolved. I'm sure if we had the actual text of the Nevarran Accord on had we could investigate if this particular claim has any merit. But apparently the Lord Seeker is of the mind that if there is no Circle of Magi, then there is no Nevarran Accord. To quote from his letter again: "In the twentieth year of the Divine Age, the Nevarran Accord was signed. The Seekers of Truth lowered our banner and agreed to serve as the Chantry's right hand, and together we created the Circle of Magi. With the Circle no more, I hereby declare the Accord null and void." And while it is true that we haven't heard of Dalish clans having problems with abominations, I wouldn't put too much stock in stories about a people who are notoriously hard to find. I'm not saying its likely wrong or anything, but even if a clan did get an abomination its very likely outsiders would not hear about it. Even if only because thier self-imposed isolation would make verification difficult.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 11, 2018 22:57:48 GMT
Stepping back from the invidual players of the mage Templar debate, I want to point out that the Templars signed a contract hundreds of years ago that pledged their Allegiance to the Chantry. They were not abandoned, they intentionally broke off their contract.
The mages never signed a contract, two forces, the Chantry and the Templars, enforced their capture, training, and subsequent execution if they didn't pass a Contrived test that didn't mimic real life at all.
I hardly hear ANY stories of abominations in Dalish Clans, yet they're rampant in the towers. The Chantry isn't blind- they totally understand and profit off the magical baubles these towers sell to the non magical masses. Making them Tranquil is an almost double down on the profit with none of the losses except the non magical masses may disapprove too much. Maybe not the late Justinia, but there has to have been some experimentation regarding making regular criminals tranquil, I don't doubt.
Additionally, every game has seen Templars be subverted by demons almost more easily than mages. Because they think they're immune, the poor fools. Not disagreeing with you or anything, but I do want to provide some context for those who are interested. While the templar order did sign a treat hundreds of years ago (the Nevarran Accord), the Lord Seeker only annulled that treaty under the premise of two things. The first, was that Divine helped the mage rebellion and that such actions needed to fought against. To quote from his letter: "I will not stay idle and watch you destroy what ages of tradition and righteousness have built." The second and debatably most important premise of the annulment was that the Circle of Magi was dissolved. I'm sure if we had the actual text of the Nevarran Accord on had we could investigate if this particular claim has any merit. But apparently the Lord Seeker is of the mind that if there is no Circle of Magi, then there is no Nevarran Accord. To quote from his letter again: "In the twentieth year of the Divine Age, the Nevarran Accord was signed. The Seekers of Truth lowered our banner and agreed to serve as the Chantry's right hand, and together we created the Circle of Magi. With the Circle no more, I hereby declare the Accord null and void." And while it is true that we haven't heard of Dalish clans having problems with abominations, I wouldn't put too much stock in stories about a people who are notoriously hard to find. I'm not saying its likely wrong or anything, but even if a clan did get an abomination its very likely outsiders would not hear about it. Even if only because thier self-imposed isolation would make verification difficult. And they became an independent army mess, to hunting and abusing random people for fun (Hinterland, Val Royeaux).
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Post by warden on Feb 16, 2018 12:46:46 GMT
Mages are the true Blight.
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Post by davesin on Feb 16, 2018 15:43:07 GMT
Mages are the true Blight. Their touch change you into mindless ghoul, they procreate by feeding a woman with other people until she become many-breasted Japanese pornstar and the only way to get rid of them is to kill their boss?
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Post by warden on Feb 16, 2018 15:48:14 GMT
Mages are the true Blight. Their touch change you into mindless ghoul, they procreate by feeding a woman with other people until she become many-breasted Japanese pornstar and the only way to get rid of them is to kill their boss? you took my comment too literally, I guess.
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