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Post by therevanchist25 on Aug 14, 2018 12:44:32 GMT
Hey! The virus is not a bad idea at all! It would made a whole lot of sense if a super computer virus was created by an inter-dimensional demonic entity sealed into a computer by the Leviathan. It all started when they created the Mass Relays that opens up dimensional portals, and that's how the entity came out to wreak havoc. After the Leviathan defeated the entity, they sealed it in a computer to delete the entity, but it starts to become an AI and corrupted Leviathan technology. It has a pattern like a virus to spread mayhem and chaos not only in the Milky Way, but the entire universe itself. So the Leviathan modified the Mass Relay signal to stop the Virus from opening up dimensional portals for the Reapers from wreaking havoc, but failed to eradicate the Reapers. Thus exterminating them, and other species to harvest them to build Reapers. And the vicious cycle of harvest begins every 50,000 years to allow organic species to be technologically advanced, so it would harvest any organic species who uses their technology. Sounds better than the whole synthetic vs organic story. No thats terrible. Huge sci fi trope done to death. Remaking the games is a terrible idea as they are fine as is. Thank you for the well articulated opinion... For the record, Technological Singularity is easily the most common sci fi trope, so that is a poor choice of argument.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 14, 2018 20:40:19 GMT
Hey! The virus is not a bad idea at all! It would made a whole lot of sense if a super computer virus was created by an inter-dimensional demonic entity sealed into a computer by the Leviathan. It all started when they created the Mass Relays that opens up dimensional portals, and that's how the entity came out to wreak havoc. After the Leviathan defeated the entity, they sealed it in a computer to delete the entity, but it starts to become an AI and corrupted Leviathan technology. It has a pattern like a virus to spread mayhem and chaos not only in the Milky Way, but the entire universe itself. So the Leviathan modified the Mass Relay signal to stop the Virus from opening up dimensional portals for the Reapers from wreaking havoc, but failed to eradicate the Reapers. Thus exterminating them, and other species to harvest them to build Reapers. And the vicious cycle of harvest begins every 50,000 years to allow organic species to be technologically advanced, so it would harvest any organic species who uses their technology. Sounds better than the whole synthetic vs organic story. No thats terrible. Huge sci fi trope done to death. Remaking the games is a terrible idea as they are fine as is. That's fine for you, but not for me. It needs to be rewritten some kind of way because the story, and the ending does not make sense. Unless you have better ideas than mine, I love to hear them.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 14, 2018 22:36:31 GMT
No thats terrible. Huge sci fi trope done to death. Remaking the games is a terrible idea as they are fine as is. That's fine for you but not for me. It needs to be rewritten some kind of way because the story, and the ending does not make sense. Unless you have better ideas than mine I love to hear them. I don't because the games are fine and don't need rewritten.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 15, 2018 0:11:58 GMT
That's fine for you but not for me. It needs to be rewritten some kind of way because the story, and the ending does not make sense. Unless you have better ideas than mine I love to hear them. I don't because the games are fine and don't need rewritten. Whatever you say.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 15, 2018 2:21:56 GMT
No thats terrible. Huge sci fi trope done to death. Remaking the games is a terrible idea as they are fine as is. That's fine for you but not for me. It needs to be rewritten some kind of way because the story, and the ending does not make sense. Unless you have better ideas than mine I love to hear them. While I agree there is bad flow between the games I am not sure they would be able to avoid encountering the same problems again. Content gets cut during development which hacks up the story and they try and patch it back together again. Unless you are talking about having three broad arcs established before, but in some ways I can see that with the original trilogy.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 15, 2018 6:37:13 GMT
Well, deciding what the Reapers were actually trying to do before writing most of ME1 would have avoided some problems.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 15, 2018 11:47:55 GMT
That's fine for you but not for me. It needs to be rewritten some kind of way because the story, and the ending does not make sense. Unless you have better ideas than mine I love to hear them. While I agree there is bad flow between the games I am not sure they would be able to avoid encountering the same problems again. Content gets cut during development which hacks up the story and they try and patch it back together again. Unless you are talking about having three broad arcs established before, but in some ways I can see that with the original trilogy. Its very hard not to encounter those issues in games like this. Overall I think the story flowed fine with minor gaps.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 15, 2018 12:28:59 GMT
While I agree there is bad flow between the games I am not sure they would be able to avoid encountering the same problems again. Content gets cut during development which hacks up the story and they try and patch it back together again. Unless you are talking about having three broad arcs established before, but in some ways I can see that with the original trilogy. Its very hard not to encounter those issues in games like this. Overall I think the story flowed fine with minor gaps. Which is fair, I think my problem really is with Mass Effect 2 where it takes a significant portion of the game to finally get into how The Reapers are really involved just makes it feel like its not completely connected to the first and third game. Maybe for me if they got into that connection earlier into the game it wouldn't feel as odd to me.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Aug 15, 2018 13:13:32 GMT
Indeed, always establish at LEAST, the overarching plot of your series before even starting the first game. The trilogy is disjointed because they basically made it up as they went along.
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Post by ahglock on Aug 15, 2018 19:18:17 GMT
Until you wrote this, it never occurred to be how prevalent this was: Garrus, Tali, Miranda, Jacob, Thane (though he's the daddy), Samara (as the mother, though potentially Morinth as the daughter). It's pretty extensive. Of course, ME1 still had Garrus and Wrex. Kaidan and Ashley were both pretty well adjusted despite their backgrounds. I never found these arguments persuasive. Problems in life that drive you almost always revolve around loved ones. So 5 of 8 being about family isn't surprising to me, its pretty expected. ME2 had its issues, mainly in that they didn't have anything around the team coming together, just story arcs about them as individuals. 2 one off fights where you could lose loyalty were not enough.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 16, 2018 5:00:44 GMT
Indeed, always establish at LEAST, the overarching plot of your series before even starting the first game. The trilogy is disjointed because they basically made it up as they went along. Either they're lazy or they're not really good writers.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 16, 2018 7:34:08 GMT
Well, deciding what the Reapers were actually trying to do before writing most of ME1 would have avoided some problems. They should rewrite the protagonist to have character development also.
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 9, 2018 3:50:33 GMT
Alienated people with taste? Witcher 3 proves that the traditional RPG audience is still there with bells on - they just weren't buying MEA. The memes had an effect, so did ME3, the terrible trailers and reviews. Basically anybody with good sense and taste stayed away as I would have done if I wasn't a massive fan. The first step to winning them back is not to set out to make a neutered young adult version of mass effect catering to a completely different audience, that would help. Me personally, BioWare should let CD Projekt Red to make a Mass Effect game. Like how Obsidian Entertainment did with Fallout: New Vegas.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 10, 2018 1:27:37 GMT
Witcher 3 proves that the traditional RPG audience is still there with bells on - they just weren't buying MEA. The memes had an effect, so did ME3, the terrible trailers and reviews. Basically anybody with good sense and taste stayed away as I would have done if I wasn't a massive fan. The first step to winning them back is not to set out to make a neutered young adult version of mass effect catering to a completely different audience, that would help. Me personally, BioWare should let CD Projekt Red to make a Mass Effect game. Like how Obsidian Entertainment did with Fallout: New Vegas. No thanks. FNV was good but no where near as good as Fallout 3 and 4.
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 10, 2018 1:37:37 GMT
Me personally, BioWare should let CD Projekt Red to make a Mass Effect game. Like how Obsidian Entertainment did with Fallout: New Vegas. No thanks. FNV was good but no where near as good as Fallout 3 and 4. You just love to stalk me, do you? Dude, you're creepy.
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Post by Sanunes on Sept 10, 2018 2:01:37 GMT
Witcher 3 proves that the traditional RPG audience is still there with bells on - they just weren't buying MEA. The memes had an effect, so did ME3, the terrible trailers and reviews. Basically anybody with good sense and taste stayed away as I would have done if I wasn't a massive fan. The first step to winning them back is not to set out to make a neutered young adult version of mass effect catering to a completely different audience, that would help. Me personally, BioWare should let CD Projekt Red to make a Mass Effect game. Like how Obsidian Entertainment did with Fallout: New Vegas. My problem with CDPR is they might make game similar to BioWare, they don't have the same type of character development which is what I would expect from a BioWare and their associated IPs and what I look for in their games which is why I am not that worried about Anthem at this point for what I like is transferable between genres. A lot of the other things about BioWare games I play I could play other games for, but the character development is what makes a BioWare game unique compared to what I can get elsewhere. Of course that can always change with them making more games such as CDPR, but for now I would rather CDPR make CDPR games and BioWare make BioWare games.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 10, 2018 6:54:38 GMT
Me personally, BioWare should let CD Projekt Red to make a Mass Effect game. Like how Obsidian Entertainment did with Fallout: New Vegas. No thanks. FNV was good but no where near as good as Fallout 3 and 4. How come? It's a genuine question. All the RPG purists told me that NV was the one to play, so that's what I did.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Sept 10, 2018 7:20:04 GMT
No thanks. FNV was good but no where near as good as Fallout 3 and 4. How come? It's a genuine question. All the RPG purists told me that NV was the one to play, so that's what I did. Me neither cannot comprehend how 3 or 4 could be better than NV? I mean both are good "welcome to the world" setups, but they lack the story and story traversal of NV (in which Obsidian is the king IMHO). As a sandbox 4 is quite fun though.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 10, 2018 7:32:41 GMT
How come? It's a genuine question. All the RPG purists told me that NV was the one to play, so that's what I did. Me neither cannot comprehend how 3 or 4 could be better than NV? I mean both are good "welcome to the world" setups, but they lack the story and story traversal of NV (in which Obsidian is the king IMHO). As a sandbox 4 is quite fun though. Hate to tell y'all but FO1 was superior to everything that came after.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Sept 10, 2018 7:35:46 GMT
Me neither cannot comprehend how 3 or 4 could be better than NV? I mean both are good "welcome to the world" setups, but they lack the story and story traversal of NV (in which Obsidian is the king IMHO). As a sandbox 4 is quite fun though. Hate to tell y'all but FO1 was superior to everything that came after. Yes, I think it is also the best one, then NV, then 2..
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 10, 2018 10:13:23 GMT
Me personally, BioWare should let CD Projekt Red to make a Mass Effect game. Like how Obsidian Entertainment did with Fallout: New Vegas. My problem with CDPR is they might make game similar to BioWare, they don't have the same type of character development which is what I would expect from a BioWare and their associated IPs and what I look for in their games which is why I am not that worried about Anthem at this point for what I like is transferable between genres. A lot of the other things about BioWare games I play I could play other games for, but the character development is what makes a BioWare game unique compared to what I can get elsewhere. Of course that can always change with them making more games such as CDPR, but for now I would rather CDPR make CDPR games and BioWare make BioWare games. Well, each to his own but CDPR have shown a lot of promise when it comes to RPG games with great stories, choices that affects outcomes and the ending, and complex characters. Take Witcher 3 for example of how well made this game was compared to Inquisition. Hell, even Mike Laidlaw praised Witcher 3 how amazing it was, and he wished that Inquisition would've gone that direction with the game. And I still think that BioWare should partner with CDPR to make a Mass Effect game to regain people's trust, and to rebuild their reputation and not let EA dictate their development.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 10, 2018 11:29:20 GMT
No thanks. FNV was good but no where near as good as Fallout 3 and 4. You just love to stalk me, do you? Dude, you're creepy. Oh for crying out loud.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 10, 2018 11:31:17 GMT
How come? It's a genuine question. All the RPG purists told me that NV was the one to play, so that's what I did. Me neither cannot comprehend how 3 or 4 could be better than NV? I mean both are good "welcome to the world" setups, but they lack the story and story traversal of NV (in which Obsidian is the king IMHO). As a sandbox 4 is quite fun though. Oh I agree that they are good at story I just couldn't really get in to it as much as the others. I enjoy them all though.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 10, 2018 11:34:51 GMT
Me neither cannot comprehend how 3 or 4 could be better than NV? I mean both are good "welcome to the world" setups, but they lack the story and story traversal of NV (in which Obsidian is the king IMHO). As a sandbox 4 is quite fun though. Hate to tell y'all but FO1 was superior to everything that came after. I've never played FO1. FO began with FO3. Fite me!
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Post by themikefest on Sept 10, 2018 12:07:53 GMT
Me personally, BioWare should let CD Projekt Red to make a Mass Effect game. Like how Obsidian Entertainment did with Fallout: New Vegas. No thanks. FNV was good but no where near as good as Fallout 3 and 4. I like 3 and 4, but New Vegas is number one for me. That's because it has Cassidy. She's a great character.
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