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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 29, 2017 15:42:45 GMT
Point is, you can get a great triple A game out of that budget. I think there's a sense that because the budget wasn't as high as others, that's why Andromeda ended up in the state that it is in. I don't think that's true. Yeah, if thats all the money you were given then you need to make a game that is a great 40 million dollar game. Adjust your goalposts to fit that goal. Do that and you get 60, or 80 next time. Not an okay 40 million dollar game with an excuse that "It would have been better if we had more money". That does no one favours and is on Bioware internally. Bingo. Well said. I used to work for NimbleBit in, they are a mobile game development studio. We were always given a 3-month budget, and we would deliberately work to 75% of said budget so we wouldn't run into the issue of "oh we need more money". If we ever got to "oh we need more money", we had the remaining quarter of the budget to play with. Granted we were much smaller, and had less development pressures, but I always thought that was a very common-sense approach to budgeting for game development. People blaming EA for only giving Bioware $40m are missing the point.
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 29, 2017 15:46:53 GMT
Who's opinions are we talking about here? Reviewers? Or those that make decisions for GOTY awards? On reviewers - I think you are a little naive if you think the critical conversation surrounding a game are "worthless". If reviews were worthless, publishers wouldn't have review embargoes on content/reviews from their games. This is done, because they know reviews have a significant influence on people's perceptions of a game. ( This place is a great example - people had their flaming pitchforks out last Monday night, when the reviews dropped. The critical conversation surrounding Andromeda was not good at all, and people were very upset by it).
Mediocre / poor reviews of Andromeda will hurt long-tail sales. Another good example of this, is Dishonored 2 - a game that reviewed extremely well, but they got too cute with their embargo strategy, and the critical conversation surrounding that game never really took off, and as a result it was a game that didn't sell well. On GOTY award choosers - generally it's very strong games that have been received very well publicly, that make it into contention for that game. So when people's favorite game(s) aren't up for contention, they get upset at that. Again, someone else's opinions do matter. It's a fairy tale world if you choose to believe that other people's opinions don't matter relative to how a game is perceived. Unfortunately, it's not a world that is grounded in reality. Reviews might not mean dick all to big fans of Bioware IPs, but they are probably the top source for the more casual audience and bringing in new fans to the games. Reviews are incredibly important to hitting your sales numbers and proving that the investment in the game was worth it. Sorry for the double quote. It's interesting though right; when games review well, fans seem to champion those reviews. When a game doesn't review well, it seems like everyone is trying to under-cut the importance. Reviews matter; I think this place is a very clear example of that - the way people lost their minds here and on social media to the lower than expected review scores, I think was truly indicative of that. Perhaps that doesn't harm the sales amongst the "hardcore" fans, but it certainly does change their perception of that game. And that perception is so critical. As you said yourself, you make some game decisions based on what your friends are saying about a game. If people aren't saying good things about Mass Effect Andromeda, people pick up on that and steer clear of it. Reviews may or may not directly influence sales decisions of an individual. Changing the perception of the people who that individual may choose to inform himself through, does happen though, and that is equally, if not more, harmful.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 29, 2017 16:04:01 GMT
Reviews might not mean dick all to big fans of Bioware IPs, but they are probably the top source for the more casual audience and bringing in new fans to the games. Reviews are incredibly important to hitting your sales numbers and proving that the investment in the game was worth it. Sorry for the double quote. It's interesting though right; when games review well, fans seem to champion those reviews. When a game doesn't review well, it seems like everyone is trying to under-cut the importance. Reviews matter; I think this place is a very clear example of that - the way people lost their minds here and on social media to the lower than expected review scores, I think was truly indicative of that. Perhaps that doesn't harm the sales amongst the "hardcore" fans, but it certainly does change their perception of that game. And that perception is so critical. As you said yourself, you make some game decisions based on what your friends are saying about a game. If people aren't saying good things about Mass Effect Andromeda, people pick up on that and steer clear of it. Reviews may or may not directly influence sales decisions of an individual. Changing the perception of the people who that individual may choose to inform himself through, does happen though, and that is equally, if not more, harmful. I've been wary of "professional" reviewers for quite a while and lately I've steered clear from user reviews as well.
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 29, 2017 16:18:42 GMT
Sorry for the double quote. It's interesting though right; when games review well, fans seem to champion those reviews. When a game doesn't review well, it seems like everyone is trying to under-cut the importance. Reviews matter; I think this place is a very clear example of that - the way people lost their minds here and on social media to the lower than expected review scores, I think was truly indicative of that. Perhaps that doesn't harm the sales amongst the "hardcore" fans, but it certainly does change their perception of that game. And that perception is so critical. As you said yourself, you make some game decisions based on what your friends are saying about a game. If people aren't saying good things about Mass Effect Andromeda, people pick up on that and steer clear of it. Reviews may or may not directly influence sales decisions of an individual. Changing the perception of the people who that individual may choose to inform himself through, does happen though, and that is equally, if not more, harmful. I've been wary of "professional" reviewers for quite a while and lately I've steered clear from user reviews as well. The trick is to find a handful, both professional reviews and friends, that you can trust. For me, Paul Tassi at Forbes is one of the best in the business at remaining absolutely neutral when reviewing a game (he will even qualify at times in his review, things like "WHILE I REALLY LIKED THIS ASPECT OF THE GAME, WAS IT NECESSARY?" or "While I generally don't like these features in my First Person Shooters, it's something the franchise has needed for a while") etc. And then of course having a few friends who's opinion you can trust as well. But reviews are important - the fact is there are just too many games out there to simply have the mentality of "I'm going to buy all of them and then decde for myself". The entire purpose of reviews is to act as a sales guide.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 29, 2017 16:22:56 GMT
I've been wary of "professional" reviewers for quite a while and lately I've steered clear from user reviews as well. The trick is to find a handful, both professional reviews and friends, that you can trust. For me, Paul Tassi at Forbes is one of the best in the business at remaining absolutely neutral when reviewing a game (he will even qualify at times in his review, things like "WHILE I REALLY LIKED THIS ASPECT OF THE GAME, WAS IT NECESSARY?" or "While I generally don't like these features in my First Person Shooters, it's something the franchise has needed for a while") etc. And then of course having a few friends who's opinion you can trust as well. But reviews are important - the fact is there are just too many games out there to simply have the mentality of "I'm going to buy all of them and then decde for myself". The entire purpose of reviews is to act as a sales guide. Meh, now and days I just watch streams of games I'm interested in on Youtube or Twitch.
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Post by henkiedepost on Mar 29, 2017 16:48:34 GMT
I wanted ME:A to be GOTY in 2017 as well but I don't think its going to happen. Although I like the game I think that there is just too much negativity surrounding the game. To clarify, I'm talking about reviews, the 'meme' vids on Youtube and dissapointed users. Especially if you compare the game with Zelda:Breath of the Wild. I haven't played that game myself but given the ratings, which are higher than games like ME2 and The Witcher 3, I don't think Andromeda stands a chance.
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Post by Karin Davis on Mar 29, 2017 17:30:43 GMT
Is totally the game of the year, if not the decade the way it's going.
I've never had so much fun falling through the map, in your spaceship, in the middle of space. Escape pod turned into black void of doom.
Just once I had PeeBee bugged last night casually strolling planets and she was statically shuffling with arms out, unmoving.
I am now at 99% and very, super close to hitting that 100% mark, Total completion.
For someone who's loved Mass Effect since the first game I played back in 2008. This doesn't feel rushed, or ANYTHING. The game is amazing. It's basically MMO, with the size and volume of things to do. And tell me what game of that size doesn't have extremely "bad" problems. None, and this one isn't that bad.
Bad facial expressions, gorilla animations, homosexual/heterosexual equality? Really? I'm sure this falls under Sci-Fi /Fantasy. People gripe just to gripe, go return your game. Don't wait for "patches and fixes" go play some other game you think is superior.
I LOVE THIS GAME. End of discussion.
Played through game in it's entirety, with very little problems, glitches, or any bad experience. A+ would buy again.
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Post by Karin Davis on Mar 29, 2017 17:33:16 GMT
I wanted ME:A to be GOTY in 2017 as well but I don't think its going to happen. Although I like the game I think that there is just too much negativity surrounding the game. To clarify, I'm talking about reviews, the 'meme' vids on Youtube and dissapointed users. Especially if you compare the game with Zelda:Breath of the Wild. I haven't played that game myself but given the ratings, which are higher than games like ME2 and The Witcher 3, I don't think Andromeda stands a chance. If this was ever to be the case... good? I'd rather have people who want to be here and playing, and matching with me. All fluff, unimportant stuff. It's 2017, it's been the decade of memes and trolling and whining on forums for at least a couple years now. ME:A will do just fine, maybe weed out those sillies in MP.
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Post by henkiedepost on Mar 29, 2017 17:41:49 GMT
I wanted ME:A to be GOTY in 2017 as well but I don't think its going to happen. Although I like the game I think that there is just too much negativity surrounding the game. To clarify, I'm talking about reviews, the 'meme' vids on Youtube and dissapointed users. Especially if you compare the game with Zelda:Breath of the Wild. I haven't played that game myself but given the ratings, which are higher than games like ME2 and The Witcher 3, I don't think Andromeda stands a chance. If this was ever to be the case... good? I'd rather have people who want to be here and playing, and matching with me. All fluff, unimportant stuff. It's 2017, it's been the decade of memes and trolling and whining on forums for at least a couple years now. ME:A will do just fine, maybe weed out those sillies in MP. True. For me it will probably be Game of the Year as well and that is of course most important. I don't really care much for critics or other people's rants anyway so I just try to 'review' the game based on my own experiences with it. It has some flaws and things which I think Bioware could have done better (but this is not the thread to discuss that) but overal I'm really happy. So I'd say it's definitely a personal GOTY contender and I don't know which other games this year could even come close to MEA. When it comes to the 'real' Game of the Year Contest however I think ME:A is of course going to get nominated, but it will never win. There is just too much controversy (of which I'd say some is a bit over the top) surrounding it compared to A: Breath of the Wild and B: (this is a bit of a stretch I know) other Major blockbusters releasing this year.
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Post by Karin Davis on Mar 29, 2017 17:54:59 GMT
If this was ever to be the case... good? I'd rather have people who want to be here and playing, and matching with me. All fluff, unimportant stuff. It's 2017, it's been the decade of memes and trolling and whining on forums for at least a couple years now. ME:A will do just fine, maybe weed out those sillies in MP. True. For me it will probably be Game of the Year as well and that is of course most important. I don't really care much for critics or other people's rants anyway so I just try to 'review' the game based on my own experiences with it. It has some flaws and things which I think Bioware could have done better (but this is not the thread to discuss that) but overal I'm really happy. So I'd say it's definitely a personal GOTY contender and I don't know which other games this year could even come close to MEA. When it comes to the 'real' Game of the Year Contest however I think ME:A is of course going to get nominated, but it will never win. There is just too much controversy (of which I'd say some is a bit over the top) surrounding it compared to A: Breath of the Wild and B: (this is a bit of a stretch I know) other Major blockbusters releasing this year. I watched some guy play Breathe of the Wild on twitch the moment early release was through. I haven't played Zelda since SNES. Or Mario for that matter. This is a game for 2017, yeah others look amazing, Horizon Dawn, Red Dead 2 of course. They are their own market and niche. I play ME for the story, always. Even LOVE the narrative difficulty setting. I will be spreading how much I enjoyed this particular game a lot, word of mouth. When my nieces and nephews get older, I want them to play games like this, substance, story, production. (Minus the sex scenes, they will have to be idk 16+ for that ) Last game I actually bought was.... The Division, and that didn't go over so well. Before that was Destiny, and so on. It may be a personal opinion of it being GOTY, but it's a logical, unbiased opinion. Let's just hope ME never goes VR. Unless it's only in the spaceship! (travel and so on) This game incorporates so much from so many other genres and big title games. I saw it instantly, and it works. IE cover system similar to Division, combat and so on, very similar to Destiny. Borderlands, Far Cry.... hell even Planetside 2 the actual game, not the first missionx2 One of my favourite moments in ME:A was when Liam has this little gathering on Eos for a little footy match. I love Fifa games. Movies get bad reviews the moment they come out and everyone is "oh it's got bad reviews, isn't good, won't watch" Well thanks for taking the time to play/watch, and get to know it, and then formulate opinion IIRC you did say you haven't played ME:A yet.
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Post by henkiedepost on Mar 29, 2017 18:10:54 GMT
True. For me it will probably be Game of the Year as well and that is of course most important. I don't really care much for critics or other people's rants anyway so I just try to 'review' the game based on my own experiences with it. It has some flaws and things which I think Bioware could have done better (but this is not the thread to discuss that) but overal I'm really happy. So I'd say it's definitely a personal GOTY contender and I don't know which other games this year could even come close to MEA. When it comes to the 'real' Game of the Year Contest however I think ME:A is of course going to get nominated, but it will never win. There is just too much controversy (of which I'd say some is a bit over the top) surrounding it compared to A: Breath of the Wild and B: (this is a bit of a stretch I know) other Major blockbusters releasing this year. I watched some guy play Breathe of the Wild on twitch the moment early release was through. I haven't played Zelda since SNES. Or Mario for that matter. This is a game for 2017, yeah others look amazing, Horizon Dawn, Red Dead 2 of course. They are their own market and niche. I play ME for the story, always. Even LOVE the narrative difficulty setting. I will be spreading how much I enjoyed this particular game a lot, word of mouth. When my nieces and nephews get older, I want them to play games like this, substance, story, production. (Minus the sex scenes, they will have to be idk 16+ for that ) Last game I actually bought was.... The Division, and that didn't go over so well. Before that was Destiny, and so on. It may be a personal opinion of it being GOTY, but it's a logical, unbiased opinion. Let's just hope ME never goes VR. Unless it's only in the spaceship! (travel and so on) This game incorporates so much from so many other genres and big title games. I saw it instantly, and it works. IE cover system similar to Division, combat and so on, very similar to Destiny. Borderlands, Far Cry.... hell even Planetside 2 the actual game, not the first missionx2 One of my favourite moments in ME:A was when Liam has this little gathering on Eos for a little footy match. I love Fifa games. Movies get bad reviews the moment they come out and everyone is "oh it's got bad reviews, isn't good, won't watch" Well thanks for taking the time to play/watch, and get to know it, and then formulate opinion IIRC you did say you haven't played ME:A yet. Don't know where I would have said that. I only just made this account hehe It might be the 'rate MEA amongst other bioware games' thread but I pointed out there that I wasn't really that far into the story, not that I haven't played the game yet. (I'm currently on Voeld.) The reason for this is because my friends always want to play Multiplayer with me so when I have the time to play the game I just do a sidequest and then hop into MP. The problem is however, is that I personally like almost everything about this game (apart from some minor flaws), but I'm only one opinion and that the game is pretty divisive and therefore quite controversial. The review scores aren't that high, on social media and here I see quite a bit distraught (Although I only just made this account, I am an old BSN member and followed this forum from the start), youtube reviewers aren't that enthousiastic etc. etc. etc. Therefore I just think that this game isn't going to win GOTY. I still hope it does but the chances simply are quite slim. EDIT: Ah I think I know where the confusion comes from. I said I haven't played 'that' game yet, but I meant Breath of the Wild and not ME:A. I don't own a Switch or WiiU (N64 still works so that covers me on the console front) so I simply don't have the chance to do so. I do know however that on the media-side BotW has things covered quite well. The review score alone is one of the highest I've seen. Therefore I think that game is going to be GotY. If I agree with that remains to be seen, but then again, I simply can't play BotW right now and it's probably going to stay that way in the near future.
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Post by Karin Davis on Mar 29, 2017 18:24:53 GMT
Was my bad, didn't interpret which game you were referring to. Every genre has its fanbase, and I think ME:A will do very well, it's only March. If there are going to be "dlcs or expansions" and the usual updates, patches and so on, then it can only go up from here. I've loved Bioware for the longest time, and was sad when the lead developer or whoever it was from the ME trilogy left for Microsoft I think? Very sad day As far as I know, the hero now is Ian Frazier? Edit: or Mac Walters I just love ME. Waited since what January 2016 for this? Preorder for almost a year, what nonsense I want now! The Switch is a very impressive new piece, expensive but I think it's going to do very well. Incoming ported ME for the Switch, I would get into that. Some kind of tactics style game-play I never had a N64 cause it's been Playstation since... '97? sooner? The game is everywhere, you can't watch March Madness without ME:A ads, you can't go anywhere without someone talking about it, it speaks to people. It's where a lot of people wish we were, or humankind were at. I want to colonise systems and meet sentient aliens. But we're too busy creating memes and being negative Nancy's! The world of Mass Effect is very open for the future, I can't wait for what it brings, I already said th ending screams a sequel. I didn't "kill the Archon", he got away. PO Liam, you know little outside the Milky Way. I haven't touched WoW, or watched my shows, or little else in the last week since the release. I forgot about it all, wonders of good gaming
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 3, 2017 19:19:55 GMT
Ha good luck with that! It won't be GOTY in fact a lot of people are giving negative feedback on the game. It will never happen.
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Post by thedarkprince on Apr 3, 2017 19:35:49 GMT
Pretty sure we all did. Every Mass Effect fans had high hopes for Andromeda. But sadly the game simply did not live up to our (at least my own)hype. It isn't a bad game, but certainly not Game of the Year material. Bioware better learn from this, because as a fan not sure if I really trust them anymore. I was wondering as the game got closers to launch if Bioware was trying to hide the game from fans. That is why they were showing so little before it launched. My fears were confirmed, because the game is buggy as hell, and the animations are probably the worst Bioware has cranked out ever.
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Post by II So Close II on Apr 3, 2017 19:56:44 GMT
I think we all wanted MEA to be GOTY. It might well turn out to be, you know, once we're done playing this Beta version.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 14:36:27 GMT
Did you wanted a poney for christmas too? I mean 40 millions don't even double the average budget for a game (around 23 millions). This is a A maybe AA game with AAA narration and AAA tech ambitions with a rough B result. Add 40 more and you'ld have GOTY material here. EA market cap is through the roof. It's highly possible that they keep ME:A budget confidential. Or may be they have been milking BioWare without giving any "nutrients".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 14:41:24 GMT
40Million for a game of this scope would be a huge surprise for GOTY. Sure if it had a 150-200million budget it could of been a truly great game. I believe GOTY will be won by read dead redemption 2 or possibly the new shadow of mordor if it delivers. For a 40$M budget for a game of this size i believe BioWare have pulled off a solid game especially considering they lost a years development trying to do procedural planets. I just wish either of 2 things, 1 EA backed Mass Effect more and wanted it to be a flagship IP, giving it at least 100 million budget. Or 2 that BioWare stops trying to make the biggest game out there with a relatively shoe string budget. (GTAV had 100+million budget destiny over 200million think even Witcher 3 had 80million in a cheaper labour country) If they went for a smaller say 20-30 hour game 100% complete the budget would have sufficed for an epic game. I see what you mean. May be they hired many not-my-job game developers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 14:41:55 GMT
Ha good luck with that! It won't be GOTY in fact a lot of people are giving negative feedback on the game. It will never happen. It won't. They messed up.
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 5, 2017 17:55:01 GMT
Ha good luck with that! It won't be GOTY in fact a lot of people are giving negative feedback on the game. It will never happen. It won't. They messed up. You would think that they have 5 years to take their time to correct their mistakes from the trilogy and become more better. But the whole exodus gave it away that the game will suck at some point, and if they keep fucking up they're finished.
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