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Post by zeowik on Mar 11, 2017 0:57:47 GMT
It is madding when people talk about the weeks old leak like it is fact. I hate how they hype Jaal as the best character ever but a last min reveal he is straight will sting if it happens, specifically due to the teasing. The constant people treating the leak as confirmation has numbed me to reading it so if it really turns out to be true it will stink.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 9, 2017 17:31:21 GMT
I disagree and agree with Mikefest comments only because I still find it unfair that gay male players are getting less content opposed to others. I agree because I may not even care once I get into the story, exploring and familial things. If we are given less content with Gil or Reyes but we have meaningful scenes, I feel I could be content. Just please give us amazing characters with good stories. Is there new information or is this still based on the rumor from weeks ago?
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Post by zeowik on Mar 9, 2017 4:16:30 GMT
Aidan Ward @aidan_Ward2Do consoles get toggles for CA, motion blur and film grain? Ian S. Frazier @tibermoonYes, No, and Yes, in that order. I can't stand emulation of flaws in obsolete technology aka film grain, so yay on being able to ditch that garbage. (Garbage to me, if somehow people like it that's great they can have it.)
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Post by zeowik on Mar 8, 2017 13:17:44 GMT
OMG the last couple pages... Lol! Mean I hope the don't read that. No offense.
The rumor pendulum and ambiguous feedback just keeps swinging.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 7, 2017 5:00:32 GMT
Aurélien André @bl0f My gf thinks the AI logo is 2 giraffes holding hands and kissing...😂 I had to explain that the Tempest is only the best spaceship in the galaxy! Anyway, check the new Golden Worlds briefing here if you haven't, it's really cool: Cannot unsee Uh oh, I think this will stick with me even more than the Goldeneye 007 N64 game cover.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 7, 2017 4:51:43 GMT
It's kind of heartwarming how people are careful about spoilers even in the spoilers section in a thread about romance spoilers. People absolutely can be nice. That said, I want to know. If the devs didn't string everyone along so ridiculously, I'd be less eager. Actual sad story from my work - once we lost all our backups of current build along with the said build so I had to datamine (to copypaste some changes) a copy from my own hdd that had all info but we weren't able to launch it because genius me prevented it from stealing... bit too hard. To the point of me not understanding how to reverse it. Gamedev is no fun. Isn't that only possible if your backup system isn't set up properly? Granted hindsight is 20/20. I admit we've had rollbacks at work on drive failures and I can't help think to myself "they aren't using RAID, physical backups, as well as off sight backups?
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Post by zeowik on Mar 7, 2017 4:40:39 GMT
I am logging off early tonight. Night everyone! I got ME1 and ME2 on sale on Steam then several years starting playing through them. I used some nice checklists and went through ME1, and then I got quite far in ME2 and then lost the checklists I had. Years later they were found but I didn't finish the game. I refused to get ME3 when it came out because I wanted it on Steam. Eventually I caved and got it on sale for very cheap. So now rather than finishing ME2 and ME3 I wasted hours talking/speculating hyped over ME: Andromeda instead, such that now it's unrealistic to finish the other two first. Some day I probably will though. I did love ME2 quite a bit. I liked the first game too, but I found the inventory overflow a tad silly and time consuming. I still loved it though! Also thankfully on the PC it's a simple .ini file tweak if I recall to increase maximum inventory space in ME1, which significantly reduced the tedium. Edit: Yeah, Gaymers are super salty after all the leaks, and the ones that don't know about them are salty because Bioware won't tell us anything. I understand it, but I don't approve. I think it's ridiculous they tease so much driving up possible false hopes while refusing to confirm/deny while devs of both genders hype up Jaal, but calling them homophobic over it is off the handle uncalled for. The "if it makes sense" thing however is all kinds of wrong, since the only way to come to a conclusion like that is sterotyping.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 6, 2017 17:23:10 GMT
Except asari are speace elves that live to be over a thousand. Liara, biologically speaking, is only in her twenties by asari standard, not by "good medical care and eezo-face lifts" standards. Also, Peebee is supposed to be around Liara's age, just made very different life choices. And Lexi is supposed to be around 250 or so, if I remember right. Jaal being female would be pretty funny though. Agree with Cora assessment. I think she looks pretty hot regardless of what her age is supposed to be. Edit: Though without knowing more about her character, atm it's just "art appreciation" No, I understand Asari age differences. That was my whole point. How comparing human life expectancy now to what it is in Mass Effect is inaccurate, just like comparing it to Asari life expectancy. The PeeBee thing was a joke, I'm sure Jaal doesn't have a vagina either. 100% agree with the art appreciation thing. I find it rather disturbing that people are already so invested in romances with characters they know nothing about. I've made this joke before but I really do think it would be hilarious if Jaal was the Hitler of his people. It isn't impossible. Javik was the Rommel of his Nazi people. The devs (of both genders) on Twitter have teased incessantly. Jaal may have gotten a quick reaction but the devs have fanned the flames.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 6, 2017 6:02:46 GMT
I gotta good feeling about this week everyone! this gif...somehow accurately expresses my excitement for Jaal. The best part about that GIF is it's actually lifted straight from a music video. None of that is fan edited or anything. That's the genuine insanity going on.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 6, 2017 5:54:14 GMT
Could someone list it in text? I have a lot of trouble hearing voices over the computer. So I saw the title and thought "Man I hate that click bait has soured topics like this for me." Then I went into the topic and realized it's click bait. "Click to watch" or "click to see the next slide" is an instant dismissal from me most of the time. I admit even I fall for the click bait sometimes though.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 6, 2017 5:51:20 GMT
I never had to worry about the AI before because I could command them. I really hope I'm not going to be as frustrated as I fear that they gutted the tactical pause from the series, a defining aspect of the series for me. I hadn't even thought about the AI or the potential problems ditching player control over them introduces.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 6, 2017 5:36:08 GMT
On the chivalry subject it doesn't mean I don't offer help to women instead it means I offer help to anyone. We live in sad times when merely being unselfish can be considered too politically correct by some. I hold the door open for anyone regardless of gender, and I've noticed other people do it too. That's just one example of many.
Edit: Also, I feel women (in a commanding role) and especially LGBT characters have extra expectations that they be written well to "justify" their existence. When a male character isn't well received it's just left at that. If a woman or LGBT character (or even a character with brown skin sometimes) is written poorly, they will be labeled by some as the design of the game being "too politically correct." On the flip side a well written woman or LGBT character may get extra praise than normal, but that's less common.
I have a family member that called King of the Hill too politically correct. It took me a while to understand he probably just made that declaration because there were "too many" non-white people in the show. (That show makes fun of everyone.)
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Post by zeowik on Mar 5, 2017 21:23:22 GMT
No I don't think we can, not unless it's part of another character but they won't let the player spout politically incorrect ideas I don't think. So not being racist has been relegated to being "politically correct" now?
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Post by zeowik on Mar 5, 2017 21:19:21 GMT
If it is a statement, its not one that interferes with the coherence or verisimilitude of the setting, so you're right not to care about it. That is my point. While I don't really care about the "issue" itself, I do find political statements in my entertainment to be an annoyance. I detest preaching.
Presenting all story from a position that tries too hard to be neutral on everything really wouldn't tell a very good story in my opinion. Let's be real here. To some people a woman so much as existing in a position of authority is preaching, or LGBT people existing at all for that matter. I think it's a bit of a reach to draw up a straw man argument declaring Bioware's intentions and then be upset about that straw man all before the game is even out.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 5, 2017 20:54:37 GMT
Yeah that would be cool, thank you so much Done! I've been avoiding asking but... I suppose I will ask too if that's okay please?
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Post by zeowik on Mar 5, 2017 19:04:58 GMT
So here is a question: Who do you think will be the virgin LI in Mass Effect: Andromeda? Every Bioware game has one. Also witchcocktor and Jaal Is Not Ojingeo Well I recall people saying Jaal said he was curious what sex with a human is like so I think that implies he'd have a point (or points) of comparison. I bet I could have played a decent amount of a game in the time I spent chatting about this game. The hype/hysteria is fun though.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 5, 2017 6:00:38 GMT
By the way, do you guys think it's a good idea to add "Bioware devs are not going to answer romance questions before launch" to the first post of this thread? I think most people here know that they are not going to answer romance questions, but newcomers may not know that. This way we might reduce the amount of the same old romance questions Bioware get. That may be true, but they can't constantly tease and then not expect questions in return. maybe The Gays™ were the real bullies all along. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Change never happens if you just ask nicely. Besides, this thread has ( largely) been perfectly civil, besides a couple trolling sprees that were deleted (thanks to our mods for that!). Anyways, it'd be fun if the important characters were all LGBT for once. Maybe DA4 could do that? The Dragon Age franchise has more of an LGBT fanbase, so wouldn't it be great if the "main" romanceable character in all the marketing was bi in a game that depicted various sexualities? Like Morrigan, Cassandra, etc except bisexual. Perhaps, Scout Harding could fill that role. Maybe I misunderstand but ridiculous over-representation (other than the player sexual thing) would be quite silly to me. Well, yeah. Part of me wonders tho, if Jaal is so SUPER SECRET (and Liam too, btw, they are going complete radiosilence about him too if you noticed, evading all questions), maybe they are bi? And that's why we get so little actual content about Jaal (no bio so far and them "shhh" when he's mentioned as a squaddie) and so little about Liam? But then I'm thinking rational things, like their marketing strat just being bad and the only m/m tempest option is Gil, who isn't shown anywhere at all. We got a far view on Suvi (and this is 100% her since tempest is said to consist of a really small crew and the seat being the science officer seat), but no sign of Gil. And Liam is straight (if romanceable at all, I'm starting to wonder about that). And Jaal is another candy alien for gurls only, because gays don't deserve aliens and we need to go in the darkest place possible. You know, engineering deck. And hide there with Gil. And preferably not to voice our concerns. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I guess. Honestly, if there hadn't been leaks I would be 100% convinced one or both were bi. I might even begin to wonder if one were gay. How naive of me! I guess in a way I'm grateful for the leaks. What a shitty thing to learn while playing the game. Wait there is more than one leak on the "no m/m alien or squad member" subject or is this just the same one popping up in discussion again? I just have to say this now with only 2 weeks left: No matter what happens, I am grateful for the info dave, luke and gaycaravaggio told us. No matter whose info is wrong, changed or right, without you 3 it would have been worse waiting and wondering. It may seem crazy now, but if we had no one to tell us anything, we would have all lost our sanity weeks ago! So thank you for helping us as we trudge toward the end of this long waiting period, and no mater what happens, no one blames you for whatever the outcome. On the one hand it sounds like you're saying the 'worst' of the rumors are true but on the other hand you're saying it's still up in the air. I am so very confused. Edit (not in response to any post in particular): I keep forgetting to comment on Drack. I wouldn't just assume Krogans would never be a potential love interest. Then again I do remember reading a dev comment ages ago that they were surprised how anyone would ever be interested in Garrus. Perhaps it would be a waste of resources since far less would probably be interested in going down that path, and I could understand that. I just wouldn't by default disregard them.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 4, 2017 22:38:19 GMT
MRW I find out Jaal is bi: Sorry, I just remembered this dude and I had to share gifs of him. Man I'm so far gone. I read this as confirmation that he is at first. The mood whiplash on this topic is just silly for me, I admit.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 4, 2017 22:14:50 GMT
As far as purchase status goes I'm getting it. I should probably look into the Origin Access thing for the discount if it's not too late though. I don't know if it applies to already placed pre-orders when the billing goes through so I have to look into that. Because of the insane hype I will be disappointed if there are severely limited m/m options, but that isn't why I'm buying the game. What's everyone's best and worst case scenarios? Best for me: Liam or Jaal is bi, Gil and Reyes are full m/m romances, Kallo is biromantic. Cora, Vetra, and Peebs are bi. Worst for me: Liam and Jaal are both straight, Gil is m/m but Reyes is a fling, Kallo is nothing. Cora and Vetra are straight. Worst case for me is straight Jaal with a couple human-only male potential love interests for male characters, and male/male scenes all being fade to black. I'm not on the straw man train regarding them being light on "the gay" because their target demographic is primarily heterosexual males, but this worst case scenario would make me wonder. They are hyping him too much, including the male devs. If they aren't intentionally teasing they are remarkably unaware of what they are doing. Double the worst case if they present character behavior as "too straight" or something ridiculous. I've seen people post here regarding Jaal that clearly he's straight because his attitude is apparently swoon-worthy for example, or even more offensively that he's too masculine to be bi, as if no male/male romance could ever be like that, and that kind of one-dimensional reasoning would not sit well with me at all. Seriously just a couple examples on the teasing, since I've seen a few people claim they only teased Jaal in regard to females: Ben Gelinas could have been talking about any character, but they are absolutely teasing. Best for me is bi Jaal and multiple potential male/male love interests and the romances in general being neat. Bonus points if there are multiple male alien NPCs as potential love interests. The middle ground is a very well written human love interest.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 4, 2017 8:49:29 GMT
I lost the quote but someone suggested "no one" has taunted about Jaal possibly being straight. I can say they most definitely have, and in a snide manner a few times at that. Generalizations like "no one" fail the moment a single example pops up. That doesn't mean it's common or that most people do it. On the topic of repeating the leak though, yeah it does come up without a disclaimer that it's just a rumor and as was seen recently in this topic again people simply do not read everything and start to take the rumor anew as if it's just been revealed. I really hope it's wrong, along with the rumor that all male/male scenes are fade to black. That would look really bad if a double whammy like that occurred. I think pretty much everyone in this thread has at least good intentions. We all just need some confirmations to either settle our worries or validate our collective concern. Either way, it's mostly a waiting game at this point, regardless of our leaks and speculation. My problem is, I felt so bad when the leaks happened and I helped encourage the hype. After talking with you I was so afraid that if your source is right, people will be sick over the truth, so I tried to keep both sides open, but lean more to reality. That's just caused people to spit fire at me, so I'm just done with it all. What will be will be. Natashina oh yeah! When I finally got the game I played an Agent too and it was wonderful to hear her voice! DA2 was my first BW game so it was very special to me. The Bioware staff have and continue to massively tease about Jaal. You have no reason to feel bad if the worst of the rumors are true. The incessant teasing is beyond your control. Yes, I'm the whining about something so redundant. But mah gender politics. Who are you to tell people what to care about and what is important to them? Stop lurking and go on with your day. While they were rude on the subject I think it is important for straw man echo chambers to have some polite opposition. Some Asari being 'dancers' was obviously geared towards heterosexual males, but it would be pretty darn silly if they tried to avoid all tropes and everything that could be turned into an offensive statement via straw man arguments. No you can't tell anyone what is important to them, but it's important to be grounded in reality rather than slapping straw man arguments about how this or that part of the lore is about demonizing women. I don't like stereotypes on gay characters either, but that doesn't mean they should never use them for example. There is an enormous difference between happening to use a trope or stereotype and making some statement that's offensive. I bring up the movie too much, but man I love how Zootopia tackles that subject head on and unapologetically makes fun of it. At the same time it (extreme spoilers) shows the decidedly unfunny side of that kind of thing too.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 4, 2017 2:28:04 GMT
Seriously I am quite impressed by their ability to avoid saying yes or no. I genuinely don't think they're being malicious, I have to believe they're being told to keep quiet.
also Keanu Reeves is really cute, Keanu for M/M LI ME5
Considering all the teasing they've done (and probably still do) it's pretty darn insensitive even if not malicious if it turns out people interested don't have a chance.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 3, 2017 7:45:52 GMT
I spent the whole summer hyped over Chrono Trigger and when I plopped the $80+ to pick it up when it finally came out I loved how it met/exceeded all of my expectations. I hope this game does the same.
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Post by zeowik on Feb 28, 2017 17:22:49 GMT
Be careful when making sweeping statements because no matter how subjectively you see the situation as you cannot speak for others. That was not directed at any one person but I see the XYZ demographic wants... statement pop up a few times.
As for me some people fit stereotypes sometimes sure but one that really ruffles my feathers is dominant and submissive nonsense especially if it exactly matches character size/appearance/voice.
It reminds me of that backwards husband that refused to sit behind his wife on the Celebrity Apprentice, and Arnold Schwarzenegger even called out the missed opportunity (the project was about expanding the appeal of a motorcycle brand).
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Post by zeowik on Feb 28, 2017 13:55:48 GMT
In reply to a comment a couple pages ago I think taking a "crazy" comment seriously is a bit silly. Calling the antics in this thread crazy is pretty accurate.
Maybe the person or people offended aren't native English speakers? Crazy does not always mean literally crazy. For example cats on catnip can be said to act crazy.
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Post by zeowik on Feb 28, 2017 7:10:50 GMT
That's because their marketing is terribly outdated. Bioware still have trouble even getting relatively even screentime for their female and male protagonists during marketing. Imagine how long it'll take before we get a trailer where the male protagonists is making out with a dude, rather than Ashley, Miranda, Ashley again, or Cora. It's going to be a long time, sadly... A long time Honestly, this doesn't bother me and neither does the lack of reveal of the bi squaddie (assuming there is one) because then a large portion of players would write them off as just 'the gay romance option'. The pragmatic truth is that the best representation is the representation that fits in seamlessly. People don't need ten conversations and banters about how Krem is trans and like, it's totally ok to be trans, guys! It just pisses people off and makes them more resistant. I'm gay and even I found the Krem and Dorian content overbearing. Trans and gay characters are already receiving representation in Bioware games. Let people enjoy them as nuanced, three dimensional characters without making a big deal of it and eventually nobody will bat an eye. Not only that but beware the straw man argument promoted to judgement. Making assumptions and then making judgements based on those assumptions doesn't work. That's what political echo chambers do all the time and it does no good. It's not reasonable to attach "reasons" for them not putting a spotlight on these things and to then argue against those imagined reasons. I mean no offense with that, but it's used all the time by people trying to justify prejudice of all kinds. There's never a good time to fall into that kind of mindset, even if by mistake, in regard to making up a reason and then arguing against that as if it's actually real.
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