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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 1:55:34 GMT
Sounds excellent. Hopefully the Ryder siblings live for the conclusion. Its definitely an interesting concept and is very book fiendly. Cant wait.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 9, 2016 1:58:25 GMT
You know something else that is going to bug me about the sex we don't play as being our sibling? It's going to establish a canon personality for them. As a NPC, male Ryder will act a certain way and female Ryder will act a certain way. So if you ever play as that sex, basically if you don't play a certain way you aren't playing the canon way and that will feel off. Likewise the sex you used to play will act different than how you played. I fear that will create a disconnect between me the player and the 'player' character. This... And I fear they may end up limiting the possible dialogue choices to help control the disparity. Exactly. I can easily see them restricting your responses to matching the canon version of that Ryder. For example if male Ryder is more lighthearted, them restricting you to lighthearted options in dialogue. Or if the female Ryder is more hopeful, then her only having hopeful idealistic responses. Also, what if they have different backgrounds? If you want to play a certain background, you may have to be only male or female. The list goes on.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Sept 9, 2016 2:11:38 GMT
You know something else that is going to bug me about the sex we don't play as being our sibling? It's going to establish a canon personality for them. As a NPC, male Ryder will act a certain way and female Ryder will act a certain way. So if you ever play as that sex, basically if you don't play a certain way you aren't playing the canon way and that will feel off. Likewise the sex you used to play will act different than how you played. I fear that will create a disconnect between me the player and the 'player' character. Yeah, this is my only concern about it, I don't want to feel bound to a preset personality when I do my second playthrough. I hope that I can atleast make the sibling I'm not playing look different enough for my prev. PC that I won't feel like my old character is being OOC.
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Post by Sifr on Sept 9, 2016 3:52:42 GMT
I actually wish Aaryn Flynn had NOT revealed (at Playstation Meeting 2016) that the ME:A N7 is the father of the brother and sister Ryder protagonists. It's a stunner that I would like to have discovered when the game begins, or have my jaw drop when I find it out in the prequel novel. However, if this interesting tid-bit and others are only revealed in the prequel novel, I can imagine the fiasco if the novel's release is too close (or late) to the game's release, available only in short supply, and no one knows what's going on. I really hope that doesn't happen to the novel's release. Tbh, I already figured that the N7 guy might be related to us in some way, such as our father. I unwittingly spoiled Fallout 4 for myself in the same way, simply by imagining the most messed up scenario I could think of, which ended up being the exact reveal the game gave us. I need to stop speculating so much, I keep ruining games, films and television by working out the plot twists too quickly.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 9, 2016 4:42:45 GMT
I actually wish Aaryn Flynn had NOT revealed (at Playstation Meeting 2016) that the ME:A N7 is the father of the brother and sister Ryder protagonists. It's a stunner that I would like to have discovered when the game begins, or have my jaw drop when I find it out in the prequel novel. However, if this interesting tid-bit and others are only revealed in the prequel novel, I can imagine the fiasco if the novel's release is too close (or late) to the game's release, available only in short supply, and no one knows what's going on. I really hope that doesn't happen to the novel's release. If Ryder is mentioned in the novel, hopefully the stuff matches what the game shows
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Post by themikefest on Sept 9, 2016 4:45:31 GMT
It doesn't bother me since there's a lot of stuff in the game that I will discover without been spoiled.
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Post by Remki on Sept 9, 2016 5:19:14 GMT
You know something else that is going to bug me about the sex we don't play as being our sibling? It's going to establish a canon personality for them. As a NPC, male Ryder will act a certain way and female Ryder will act a certain way. So if you ever play as that sex, basically if you don't play a certain way you aren't playing the canon way and that will feel off. Likewise the sex you used to play will act different than how you played. I fear that will create a disconnect between me the player and the 'player' character. I'm a little worried about that too, but from the way it was phrased that our sibling would be "out there somewhere in the galaxy doing their thing", I get the feeling that we probably won't actually interact with the other Ryder. Maybe we'll get generic emails from them or hear rumors about their exploits, but (in all honesty) they're likely going to be canon fodder for a plot point and The Feels (TM) sometime in the early game sections.
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Post by Sifr on Sept 9, 2016 6:54:13 GMT
You know something else that is going to bug me about the sex we don't play as being our sibling? It's going to establish a canon personality for them. As a NPC, male Ryder will act a certain way and female Ryder will act a certain way. So if you ever play as that sex, basically if you don't play a certain way you aren't playing the canon way and that will feel off. Likewise the sex you used to play will act different than how you played. I fear that will create a disconnect between me the player and the 'player' character. Bioware would have probably announced such a bombshell revelation long before now, but what if it turns out that we could play as both Ryder siblings at various points in the game? It'd remove the issue of people feeling constrained to following the "canon" personality established for the sibling we didn't pick, since if we are playing as both of them, we are effectively in charge of creating both their individual personalities? Bioware have talked about messing around with two protagonists for a while, so having them test the water with this feature in Andromeda might be something they'd consider, especially since the whole point of the series moving Andromeda is to give them more freedom and less constraints with how they tell the story.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 9, 2016 7:07:09 GMT
I really hope there's none of this dual protagonist nonsense. I'm perfectly fine with the gender we don't play being a character that still exists in the setting, but I do not want to switch at any point in the story.
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Post by Fredward on Sept 9, 2016 7:29:35 GMT
Real talk: where/when has Bioware said anything about a dual protag for any of their games?
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Post by Sifr on Sept 9, 2016 7:43:55 GMT
Real talk: where/when has Bioware said anything about a dual protag for any of their games? There was a Kotaku interview a few years ago where the devs were asked about it; So it's apparently something that has been discussed, even if they don't necessarily know how they implement a feature like that, or whether they'd consider doing it if they could.
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Post by straykat on Sept 9, 2016 7:50:03 GMT
Real talk: where/when has Bioware said anything about a dual protag for any of their games? There was a Kotaku interview a few years ago where the devs were asked about it; Question: "Has Bioware ever considered allowing players to play as more than one party or central character?"
Answer: "As to multiple protagonists? Absolutely fascinating and, yes, we have discussed it some. There are a lot of challenges in terms of helping the player identify with more than one created character, but it's a long way from impossible. I thought, for example, that the weaving stories of the GTA V protagonists created a really interesting flow in the story and the gameplay. I agree that betraying yourself would be super cool, so long as "the player" version of you didn't end up feeling like a chump." I could have seen that working with Hawke and DAI at least. If I wrote it, I would have started as the Inquisitor, same as the game, who had the mark, but wasn't exactly leading. That'd be Hawke. And I'd combine Haven's showdown with something like Here Lies the Abyss. Maybe Hawke fails in that and your main character took lead. Although you wouldn't necessarily have to control Hawke ever (much like DAI is already). It's almost like the anime Gurren Laggan, if you've seen that.
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Post by kitcat1228 on Sept 9, 2016 8:05:28 GMT
Real talk: where/when has Bioware said anything about a dual protag for any of their games? There was a Kotaku interview a few years ago where the devs were asked about it; So it's apparently something that has been discussed, even if they don't necessarily know how they implement a feature like that, or whether they'd consider doing it if they could. That interview was with Mark Darrah and Mike Laidlaw, who are on dragon age. I think if they do dual protagonists it would be for DA4 with the inquisitor and someone new. I like the idea of sibling Ryders but I've assumed that whichever gender you didn't pick would die. Maybe they are on a different Ark and are missing out there in the universe makes me think we won't interact with them much. I hope I'm wrong; I'd really like to develop family relationships as long as we get to determine how close we are.
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Post by Robo on Sept 9, 2016 8:10:36 GMT
Good shit
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Post by BioFan on Sept 9, 2016 8:26:49 GMT
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Post by The Elder King on Sept 9, 2016 9:07:37 GMT
I don't think there'll be a multiple protagonist approach based on how Walters explained the family thing. He said we'd pick one and the other will be somewhere around.
I'm not honestly worried about having problems in going against the 'canon' sibling in terms of personality. I'd criticize a lot if they limit the choices in dialogues based on a preset personality, but I don't think they went that route.
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Post by dalinne on Sept 9, 2016 9:48:35 GMT
Theory 1: if you can play with both in the same playtrough and you have two different squadies etc. I think the final drama will be related with wich one of them two you save. Like a Virmire Survivor choice but with yourself (ala Game of Thrones, Telltale Game). The next games you only have one main protagonist.
Theory 2: you only play with the Ryder you choose. However, you will be able to switch for short periods of time and play with DadRyder and the other twin. The final drama is provided by the WHICH DO YOU LOVE MORE? choice between you brother/sister and your father. Like a Virmire Survivor for all the family. Those are my two cents.
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Post by Adhin on Sept 9, 2016 9:52:22 GMT
Only way I could see a dual protagonist work, which I've stated in this thread (I think anyway, coulda been another thread?) I generally think it's a bad idea and unlikely to happen in MEA. But, thinking about how it might work in a manner that isn't horrible... I'd say it would have to be 2 separate stories that play side by side instead of 2 people same area swap at will kinda thing.
Kinda like Halo 2, or Halo 5 (only more like Halo 2 cause 5 had the chief like twice). Where the narrative juggles who you are every chapter. Each person would have to have there own squad, and companions. Or every other Chapter is the 2nd person and it's an 'in the future' thing looking at past events.
If DA2 had done that there would be a playable part between each 'act' as Varric or Cassandra (probably Cassandra) where you searched for evidence and interrogated Varric constantly through out instead of the cutscenes we had before. THAT could be fun/interesting and wouldn't of detracted from 'Hawke is us' feeling.
Which is, I think people have pointed out, how Witcher 3 does it. To some small extent how ME2 did it with Joker which was freakin' amazing sequence. Past that and your just going to be created piles of extra work for added confusion and would heavily dilute the players connection to the perceived main character.
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Post by shechinah on Sept 9, 2016 10:40:04 GMT
I actually wish Aaryn Flynn had NOT revealed (at Playstation Meeting 2016) that the ME:A N7 is the father of the brother and sister Ryder protagonists. While I don't want spoilers on a lot of things, I actually don't mind being spoiled about this because it is somthing my character would know and it does give me time to think about what kind of relationships they'd have. I'm actually also happy that this was the spoiler because I might have felt otherwise had it been something different.
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Post by llandwynwyn on Sept 9, 2016 12:24:30 GMT
The family is the most exciting aspect from this new ME imo
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Post by Heimdall on Sept 9, 2016 12:35:16 GMT
You know something else that is going to bug me about the sex we don't play as being our sibling? It's going to establish a canon personality for them. As a NPC, male Ryder will act a certain way and female Ryder will act a certain way. So if you ever play as that sex, basically if you don't play a certain way you aren't playing the canon way and that will feel off. Likewise the sex you used to play will act different than how you played. I fear that will create a disconnect between me the player and the 'player' character. Bioware would have probably announced such a bombshell revelation long before now, but what if it turns out that we could play as both Ryder siblings at various points in the game? It'd remove the issue of people feeling constrained to following the "canon" personality established for the sibling we didn't pick, since if we are playing as both of them, we are effectively in charge of creating both their individual personalities? Bioware have talked about messing around with two protagonists for a while, so having them test the water with this feature in Andromeda might be something they'd consider, especially since the whole point of the series moving Andromeda is to give them more freedom and less constraints with how they tell the story. See, I'm not really concerned about a 'canon' sibling personality since I'm pretty certain the sibling we don't play will have the same personality regardless of gender. We will effectively be choosing the gender of two characters, not choosing between two characters.
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Post by ClarkKent on Sept 9, 2016 12:59:38 GMT
I'm going to stick my neck out and say that the ME:Initiation book is going to centre around papa n7.
I wonder if Ryder will see some distrust from colleagues. He's/she's inexperienced after all. What if we're only in Andromeda because daddy pulled some strings? What we've seen from marketing is that the Andromeda expedition is recruiting soldiers of the highest quality(be it Krogan or N7). I wonder what they'll think of Ryder who's still a bit wet behind the ears being trusted with leadership?
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Post by dalinne on Sept 9, 2016 13:07:22 GMT
#dadpants is a thing now Very good video Edit: I think the woman you point out in 10:00 is not Ryder, is a squadmate. FemRyder is in fact the one on the right side (she is wearing the official armor and so )
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Post by Elfen Lied on Sept 9, 2016 13:36:58 GMT
You know something else that is going to bug me about the sex we don't play as being our sibling? It's going to establish a canon personality for them. As a NPC, male Ryder will act a certain way and female Ryder will act a certain way. So if you ever play as that sex, basically if you don't play a certain way you aren't playing the canon way and that will feel off. Likewise the sex you used to play will act different than how you played. I fear that will create a disconnect between me the player and the 'player' character. But you are not going to play one of them. You either will be playing a male character who will happen to have a sister with x personality OR a female character who will happen to have a brother with y personality. The personality of your NPC siblings won't have any influence on the personality of your character, because he/she will be a different person. It's the same things as Hawke, with the difference that this time you won't have both of your siblings at the beginning of the story.
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Post by Heimdall on Sept 9, 2016 13:51:35 GMT
You know something else that is going to bug me about the sex we don't play as being our sibling? It's going to establish a canon personality for them. As a NPC, male Ryder will act a certain way and female Ryder will act a certain way. So if you ever play as that sex, basically if you don't play a certain way you aren't playing the canon way and that will feel off. Likewise the sex you used to play will act different than how you played. I fear that will create a disconnect between me the player and the 'player' character. But you are not going to play one of them. You either will be playing a male character who will happen to have a sister with x personality OR a female character who will happen to have a brother with y personality. The personality of your NPC siblings won't have any influence on the personality of your character, because he/she will be a different person. It's the same things as Hawke, with the difference that this time you won't have both of your siblings at the beginning of the story. If they even have meaningfully distinct personalities.
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