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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 23:10:57 GMT
Again, when folks talk about the greatness of TW3, they never talk about the game play and it's related mechanics. Only story, character, lore, graphics, etc. Like you guys are all glorified goal post movers. I found it easy to fight with a 360 controller, but the keyboard made me want to shoot myself. Geralt felt stiff. I found TES had more flexibility. It was like a glorified adult Zelda game imo.
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Post by simtam on May 16, 2017 14:23:20 GMT
Again, when folks talk about the greatness of TW3, they never talk about the game play and it's related mechanics. Only story, character, lore, graphics, etc. I have yet to find someone praising an RPG game solely for its superior product excellence in user interface and interaction. It just don't seem to be the category people focus on...
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Post by samhain444 on May 16, 2017 15:30:45 GMT
Are we playing same game?..MEA is not even in the top 20, the worst of ME games by far, game is short and not many enemies, W3 is in a different league, the other ME games are better then Andromeda, I think they can't make MEA any worst then what it is, storyline is boring and not great, ending is boring and nothing to write home about, only about two characters in the game that are worth anything. Sorry Andromeda does not cut it by any means. Different tastes. If you enjoy a game, you see things that are good about it. If you don't, you see stuff that does not impress you. Gamers aren't hive-minds. We don't all like the same things. The ending made me smile, I have played it 8 times now, and I love the story and characters. TW3 was a one-time thing and I never felt like playing it again. Also, as a woman, I see no appeal in playing Geralt though I did sleep with all the ladies for fun lol Exactly...I played a lot of The Witcher 3 and enjoyed but, once I finished my 2 playthroughs, I never went back. I'm on my 4th ME:A playthrough and keep finding new stuff to enjoy about it.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on May 16, 2017 16:29:02 GMT
Speaking of Witcher 3. Never played it, but want to, would playing 1 and 2 be required to understand the overall story? Not required but I highly recommend playing both TW1 and TW2 first: TW1 is actually my favourite out of those 2, and TW2 has some brilliant grimdark moments. The books are more essential (and the new Dark Horse comics) I reckon: you're in for quite a ride - it's a magnificent story and has some of the most memorable characters this side of ME:T. Couple of tips though: play on 'Death March' difficulty from the start (trust me, it's the best way by far) and play the DLC in order of appearance after the main story - feels best that way IMO, some of the best DLC storytelling ever also. Enjoy
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Post by kleindropper on May 16, 2017 17:25:05 GMT
Nope. If anything, reading the books makes the game a lot more enjoyable imo, but the game can be enjoyed on its own. Thanks for the response bruh. You'll meet a lot of people that you are supposed to know so you can get a little lost since there are so many characters, but that doesn't affect gameplay too much. Boning up on some of the cities and countries (Nilfgaard, Skellige, Novigrad, Temeria etc...) before starting will help you understand the environment a little better.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on May 17, 2017 11:46:36 GMT
Netflix just announced The Witcher tv series ! Holy s... !
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Post by The Arbiter on May 17, 2017 12:20:57 GMT
Netflix just announced The Witcher tv series ! Holy s... ! This came to my mind when they announced it
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Post by mofojokers on May 17, 2017 12:30:01 GMT
Netflix just announced The Witcher tv series ! Holy s... ! I know i lost my shit reading the IGN post. I can't believe that the greatest game series is finally getting a tv show. Especially with the writer of the eight novels and over 30 years of writing the witcher lore is helping with it directly.😊
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Post by darkway1 on May 17, 2017 12:36:34 GMT
Netflix just announced The Witcher tv series ! Holy s... ! I know i lost my shit reading the IGN post. I can't believe that the greatest game series is finally getting a tv show. Especially with the writer of the eight novels and over 30 years of writing the witcher lore is helping with it directly.😊 This is fantastic news.
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Post by bigbad on May 17, 2017 12:40:55 GMT
My main takeaway from this thread is that I need to get back to my second TW3 playthrough. The game is amazing.
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Post by henkiedepost on May 17, 2017 12:43:29 GMT
Netflix just announced The Witcher tv series ! Holy s... ! Oh wow. I just finished Blood and Wine again and I was like 'they should really make a movie or series out of this.' And now they announced it on the same day! I'm very happy right now.
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Post by cotheer on May 17, 2017 12:49:47 GMT
Maybe we'll also get a ME:A sitcom
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Post by degs29 on May 19, 2017 21:06:59 GMT
Speaking of Witcher 3. Never played it, but want to, would playing 1 and 2 be required to understand the overall story? Nope. If anything, reading the books makes the game a lot more enjoyable imo, but the game can be enjoyed on its own. I'd say you miss a lot of connections if you don't play TW1 and TW2. But TW1 isn't really the greatest game, so I'd recommend skipping TW1 if you need good gameplay/graphics to be interested. It'd suck to ruin someone's chance at enjoying TW3 simply because they started with TW1 and didn't like it. Witcher 2 is a big improvement; it carries the great story-telling and characters from TW1, but adds improved gameplay and graphics. It's not without its own flaws though. So it's difficult to make a recommendation here. If you get really into the lore of a game, I'd recommend starting at TW1. If you dabble in lore, but just want a great story and decent gameplay, I'd recommend starting at TW2. If you require modern-quality gameplay, incredible graphics, and prefer open-world games, but background lore isn't important to you, go ahead and simply play TW3. Actually, TW3 does a pretty decent job of filling you in through books and character profiles anyway.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 19, 2017 22:44:24 GMT
Netflix just announced The Witcher tv series ! Holy s... ! I suspect I'll finish binge-watching this before I actually complete the game. Looking forward to this.
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Post by Steelcan on May 20, 2017 1:20:14 GMT
Nope. If anything, reading the books makes the game a lot more enjoyable imo, but the game can be enjoyed on its own. I'd say you miss a lot of connections if you don't play TW1 and TW2. But TW1 isn't really the greatest game, so I'd recommend skipping TW1 if you need good gameplay/graphics to be interested. It'd suck to ruin someone's chance at enjoying TW3 simply because they started with TW1 and didn't like it. Witcher 2 is a big improvement; it carries the great story-telling and characters from TW1, but adds improved gameplay and graphics. It's not without its own flaws though. So it's difficult to make a recommendation here. If you get really into the lore of a game, I'd recommend starting at TW1. If you dabble in lore, but just want a great story and decent gameplay, I'd recommend starting at TW2. If you require modern-quality gameplay, incredible graphics, and prefer open-world games, but background lore isn't important to you, go ahead and simply play TW3. Actually, TW3 does a pretty decent job of filling you in through books and character profiles anyway. I jumped in with TW3 and didn't have any problems getting up to speed pretty quickly
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Post by Kappa Neko on May 20, 2017 10:33:47 GMT
Netflix just announced The Witcher tv series ! Holy s... ! I know i lost my shit reading the IGN post. I can't believe that the greatest game series is finally getting a tv show. Especially with the writer of the eight novels and over 30 years of writing the witcher lore is helping with it directly.😊 After having watched three episodes of American Gods, thinking this adaptation is glorified poop, I'm a bit skeptical of such ideas. More so than before. But definitely looking forward to the possibility of something great. Just keeping my expectations in check. I never watched the earlier cheap TV adaptations. They were not good, right?
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 20, 2017 13:32:46 GMT
Maybe we'll also get a ME:A sitcom ME:A is a sitcom.
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Post by aglomeracja on May 20, 2017 14:16:02 GMT
I know i lost my shit reading the IGN post. I can't believe that the greatest game series is finally getting a tv show. Especially with the writer of the eight novels and over 30 years of writing the witcher lore is helping with it directly.😊 After having watched three episodes of American Gods, thinking this adaptation is glorified poop, I'm a bit skeptical of such ideas. More so than before. But definitely looking forward to the possibility of something great. Just keeping my expectations in check. I never watched the earlier cheap TV adaptations. They were not good, right? If you're asking about The Witcher TV adaptations then 'not good' is a very polite way of describing them
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Post by goishen on May 20, 2017 15:54:38 GMT
Netflix just announced The Witcher tv series ! Holy s... ! I know i lost my shit reading the IGN post. I can't believe that the greatest game series is finally getting a tv show. Especially with the writer of the eight novels and over 30 years of writing the witcher lore is helping with it directly.😊 Yah, the same writer that said that he was what made The Witcher series popular and that the game took some serious liberties with the franchise. Self entitled douche bag.
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Post by General Mahad on May 20, 2017 16:34:14 GMT
Sounds like you guys are jelly that Witcher III will be remembered as damn good game while Andromeda will be remembered as a dumpster fire.
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Post by smilesja on May 20, 2017 17:21:43 GMT
Sounds like you guys are jelly that Witcher III will be remembered as damn good game while Andromeda will be remembered as a dumpster fire. Perceptions change overtime besides I don't care what others think. I'll remember me: a as a good game regardless of public opinion
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Post by KaiserShep on May 20, 2017 23:47:20 GMT
Sounds like you guys are jelly that Witcher III will be remembered as damn good game while Andromeda will be remembered as a dumpster fire. Who really knows how these things will be remembered. I remember when everyone hated DA2 (lower user score on MC), and I ignored all that shit and ended up loving it anyway, then returned to find that a lot of people actually ended up liking it somehow. Maybe it's gypsy magic, or perhaps elves. Why is it always elves? The vitriol that the internet, or at least the gaming community on the internet, is kind of hard to take seriously, because it easily devolves into a pressure cooker of memes and idiocy. Eventually people move on and the bullshit settles. Time will tell how this all fares in the end. None of this really compares to ME3calypse though.
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Post by kali073 on May 21, 2017 11:42:03 GMT
I've never played either game on console (PC only) so I can't comment on those aspects but I don't think MEA was a rip-off of the third witcher game. If anything, I saw MEA as an attempt to improve on the semi-open world of DAI. How much they succeeded at that is debatable.
Things like if it's semi-open world (separate open world maps like MEA, DAI and W3) or one massive map (Morrowind, Skyrim) isn't something I see as a big deal. Is it all about the load times for you? or is there some other reason you dislike semi open worlds? Personally I enjoy both versions and have never had much problem with load times (except a little with DAI).
One thing I really disagree with is how you state that the worlds are "bland to explore" or "a chore" as though those are objective facts instead of your opinions (though maybe I've misinterpreted you here?). How much you enjoy exploring a world is very subjective. For you Witcher 3 was bland for you but for me it was great. The environments, architecture, decorations, different style of clothes, music etc about the W3 really enticed me - even if it didn't pull you in. MEA had beautiful environments but felt a little more like a chore to me.
Combat isn't something I can comment much on - because I'm not really good at it. I get through games on normal difficulty (maybe I could do hard but I've never felt like trying). I didn't really like the limitation of the abilities in DAI and disliked the 3 abilities + profile switch in MEA, the QTE in the Witcher 2 were a pain as well (though thankfully rare). Enemies respawned way to often in DAI. I thought combat was pretty ok otherwise even though I've heard that people think they're a bit lacking compared to Dark souls series (or similar games). I don't get how you find Skyrims combat that much better though. It has more possibilities than W3 because there's no fixed protagonist like Geralt (a witcher is a witcher, can't really change the way they fight too much without breaking lore - especially with a known character) but that's it. It's not really any more innovative and the enemies aren't that much better... I still like the combat in Skyrim but I don't really have high standards either.
Fetch quests... well, few RPG's (of those I've played at least) seem to escape them. Skyrim had lots of fetch quests, too. The witcher usually had pretty well done side quests, even when they were fetch quests. the "dive for treasure" quests were the main offender of "chore-like quests" in the W3 for me. MEA handled side-quests better than DAI for me but throws so many "scan this" at me to clutter my journal that it just makes me tired to see them. Fetch quests are the inescapable bane of semi-open or open world RPGs, it's not a flaw only found in the W3 or MEA.
As for the interface... Both MEA and the W3 have way to many clicks to navigate around them but the W3 interface ahs been improved a bit in patches. As for Skyrim, the original UI was garabage for me (I play on PC) but the SkyUI mod saved it.
As for stuff to pick up... you don't have to pick up everything (often you can't due to inventory space). I usually learn pretty soon what's useful for me to pick up or not so I don't really mind it much. I agree the W3 should have a little more stuff to pick up that isn't just useful for crafting.
Yeah, the scanner in MEA was a bit boring (I didn't like the whole research points thing) but I sometimes like it - like in Habitat 7 when you scanned the Kett and the characters talked about the information. Small things like that. The scanner in the W3 is the witcher senses which I both liked and disliked. I liked that they worked the scanner into the lore (unlike DAI) and I didn't mind following tracks or scents this way, the fish-eye effect did make it a little annoying since it was a feature you used so often.
As for the horse and the Nomad, I don't really like or dislike them - they are, as you said, a way to travel from point A to B. Necessary to big games but I prefer them to pure fast travel (unless that fast travel is incorporated into the lore, like the mark and recall spells in Morrowind or the guild guides that transported you to another mages guild). What I really dislike is the boat in W3. Sailing was a pain in the ass since even if you didn't stop to fight every single siren in the Skellige there would always be one that clung to your boat and wrecked it unless you tock a huge detour.
This is probably a bit more incoherent than it was in my mind...
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Post by force58 on May 21, 2017 14:50:18 GMT
Also, don't lump this with the other Witcher 3 threads, or I'm out. This focus is different enough for me to not want to get lost in the mess of a thread to follow that is the merged Witcher 3 threads. Anyway, disclaimer. I couldn't beat The Witcher 3. I tried, I really tried, but the game is so boring and flawed. Did everything in the first world map, and made it as far as hunting for the witch main quest - then doing that cave mission with her. After that I couldn't push myself to keep going with the flaws of this game. Everyone is tooting this the next benchmark in open world gaming? But this is where the game bombs hardest. Next, Andromeda really does rip off The Witcher 3 at every turn. Way more then I expected. So all the comparisons of Andromeda to The Witcher 3 are not at all unfound. It's like BioWare took it's skeleton literally and built upon it, because no standard folks are praising The Witcher 3 as the next standard in open and EA wants that open world success formula means they has to rip it off completely. So here are some similarities I've spotted. - the hold a button long enough to activate something to activate something to save on the lack of buttons for console gamers - the stupidly hard to pinpoint circle thing on NPCs you have to aim for to activate NPS dialog - the way too many NPCs who just talk on their own and constant overlapping dialogs that happen with it - the bland to explore open worlds - the fact that the open world are not just one massive open world like Bethesda games, but several separate open world maps - how combat in open world is very lazy thought out (just copy paste a group of enemies in the same setups over and over - for MEA is the same bases over and over, while for TW3 it's just a boring flat ground with sometimes massive foliage blocking your field of view) - boring combat, but to ME:A's credit, TW3 is way more boring - how exploring open world feels like a chore in both games - how both games are padded with way to many boring fetch quests - the interface for TS3 is also total garbage, lol - in both game interest in collecting items OCD'ness ends soon because of how much crap these games toss at you and because the UI for menus are such balls to navigate that you never both to looks up and manage all this junk anyways. - the stupid scanner, yep, in both games and just as stupid in TW3 - riding the horse sucks, riding the Nomad better, but still sucks. Both only serve purpose to get to next destination. While you can use the Nomad as cover, the horse can sometimes get in the way of combat, lol. - etc, etc. Gameplay wise and overall design wise, TW3 is actually worse then Andromeda. Not just because of gameplay combat, but how exploration is handled. It literally is a very linear game in a checklist of fetch quest. And you can't just have all the side and main quests market on the map all at once like in Skyrim so you can take the route of least resistance and maybe get sidetracked in discovering and opening/completing new quests discovered on the way to do other quests. No, you can only have one quest at a time highlighted on the map, and to toggle between quests, you have to enter another sub menu, lol. And did I mention on console (PS4) bringing up the map is not instant, but comes with an actual 3 or so seconds of loading? So yeah, if you want to follow the quests marked on the map, you're basically doing way more riding horse waste of time across boring open world then needed, or wasting extra time in this game's total garbage UI for navigating between menus. "But what about the question marks on the map, surely they are an alternative for more open non-linear exploration" you say? Yeah, well it would have been if those question marks also listed the recommended levels for doing them too, because starting with the second map you end up in areas where enemies are too powerful for you. Meaning you've just arrived at "Waste of time destination! Proceed to next possible waste of time destination through boring over world because you aren't following the one at at time side quests markers marked on your 3 second load screen map!" How this game got GotY is beyond me. Guess it's all those I have no standards people who say "RPGs don't need gameplay. Just build pretty graphics and story and we will pay." Or in the case of Andromeda "My face is tired animation and graphics to the song and dance of Mac Walters quality of writing & directing? Yes please!" End rant/ You've got to be kidding. Witcher 3 is one of best games I've ever played. The only reason its not finished yet is I play all the AAA games that come out. I guess I'm addicted in my later years. I also loved Andromeda, finished it on Thursday. I was happy they didn't bring back the ME3 characters and my only complaint is my Ryder looked like a dork and I couldn't fix it unless I played as a lady. The open world aspect of ME was great, as was the story. The final mission was the best since ME1. Granted, Witcher 3 does get boring at times, as a matter of fact, I've fallen asleep playing it, but, the gameplay/fighting is amazing. I don't play RPG's for the aesthetics, I play for the story, so calling people that play them that don't agree with you as "no standards people" is off the mark. Everybody has their own opinions on games and I respect yours. You might want to pick another genre to play for awhile, or eat a snickers.
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