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Post by force58 on May 21, 2017 14:54:18 GMT
They actually are. I absolutely loved Skyrim and Fallout 3. But The Witcher 3 is not an open world game. Thank god. Can you imagine sailing hundreds of miles in real time to get to Skellige? One problem with "open world" games like Skyrim is that the sense of scale and proportion is utterly nonsensical. Major cities are the size of a village, etc. Though if you go by number of load screens, TW3 is more open world than Skyrim, since you don't have to go through a load every time you want to go into a building. How do you figure the TW3 is NOT open world. It certainly is. Oh, and talking bad about my most fav game of all time, Skyrim, blasphemy, hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
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Post by force58 on May 21, 2017 15:00:24 GMT
Love how you use the first two as criticisms of ME:A and TW3, and then praise Skyrim. Despite my love of TW3, I'm fine admitting that the combat isn't fantastic. I still enjoy it, but it does have issues. But Skyrim combat is terrible. Looks bad, bland to play. It's fine to like Skyrim anyway, but it's the same situation you state for ME:A and TW3. Except worse. And I guess, what, you didn't go into all those caves, ruins, and bandit fortresses? Same few enemy types, same setups, over and over. And over. And the last one is more a matter of taste, but I had the opposite reaction. TW3 made me want to ride around and explore, Skyrim I had to force myself through by force of willpower and boredom. It's pretty and all, but the content and quests are so... ehhhhhh. I can at least agree that BioWare is garbage at open world. I'd say the reason DA:I was so bleh is because they were trying to emulate Skyrim. And somehow made the exploration/side content outside of the main story and companions worse in comparison. Can I just ask a general question (not necessarily just to you, just quoting you because your post gave me the thought): Which game does have good combat? Because I personally like the combat in Witcher 3, Skyrim and ME:A. They are all very different and they all advantages and disadvantages but they all work exceptionally well for their games. - Witcher 3's combat is mostly focused on staying moving and thus avoid getting hit, then find an opening and exploit it. In conjunction with the signs, alchemy and the different ability sets, it offers quite a bit o variety to explore. Sure, once you found the most efficient setup for yourself, it gets a bit repetitive but hey, after 100+ hours, that's kind of a given. - Skyrim focuses on the immersion first and foremost IMO. Given that it is designed for first person, you mainly time blocks and strikes and use magic for support. You can also turn it into a shooter or even a stealth game, depending on your abilities (though I will admit, at higher levels, these mechanics get somewhat broken). It does pretty well in giving you the "I am in the thick of it" feeling. - ME:A: Well, it's a shooter first and foremost and it has pretty decent variety in weapons and - in combination with the powers - it offers very different play-styles, from sniper to melee-shotgunner. Just like Witcher, if you don't start switching things up by yourself, it get repetitive over time but again, it's a long game, there is hardly a way around that. All three games have the issue of a reversed difficulty curve that is almost inherent in RPGs, which makes the repetitive feeling even worse. But when compared to other RPGs with real time combat, which one do people think is so much better than these? In the end, all three try to do very different things and I like them all for achieving in their areas to quite some extent. I wouldn't necessarily put Skyrim and TW3 in the same category as ME:A, but man, how can you compare the combat. ME:A wins that hands down. How can you compare a Biotic wielding Ryder with fully advanced Pull and Push, then to top it off, level 6 nades. When I launch Pull then Push, 2 people are gunna be nuked, then the nades just mop up the rest, in a huge mess of an explosion. No comparison.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 21, 2017 15:09:19 GMT
Again, when folks talk about the greatness of TW3, they never talk about the game play and it's related mechanics. Only story, character, lore, graphics, etc. Like you guys are all glorified goal post movers.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 21, 2017 15:15:03 GMT
Sounds like you guys are jelly that Witcher III will be remembered as damn good game while Andromeda will be remembered as a dumpster fire.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 16:47:14 GMT
Also, don't lump this with the other Witcher 3 threads, or I'm out. This focus is different enough for me to not want to get lost in the mess of a thread to follow that is the merged Witcher 3 threads. Anyway, disclaimer. I couldn't beat The Witcher 3. I tried, I really tried, but the game is so boring and flawed. Did everything in the first world map, and made it as far as hunting for the witch main quest - then doing that cave mission with her. After that I couldn't push myself to keep going with the flaws of this game. Everyone is tooting this the next benchmark in open world gaming? But this is where the game bombs hardest. Next, Andromeda really does rip off The Witcher 3 at every turn. Way more then I expected. So all the comparisons of Andromeda to The Witcher 3 are not at all unfound. It's like BioWare took it's skeleton literally and built upon it, because no standard folks are praising The Witcher 3 as the next standard in open and EA wants that open world success formula means they has to rip it off completely. So here are some similarities I've spotted. - the hold a button long enough to activate something to activate something to save on the lack of buttons for console gamers - the stupidly hard to pinpoint circle thing on NPCs you have to aim for to activate NPS dialog - the way too many NPCs who just talk on their own and constant overlapping dialogs that happen with it - the bland to explore open worlds - the fact that the open world are not just one massive open world like Bethesda games, but several separate open world maps - how combat in open world is very lazy thought out (just copy paste a group of enemies in the same setups over and over - for MEA is the same bases over and over, while for TW3 it's just a boring flat ground with sometimes massive foliage blocking your field of view) - boring combat, but to ME:A's credit, TW3 is way more boring - how exploring open world feels like a chore in both games - how both games are padded with way to many boring fetch quests - the interface for TS3 is also total garbage, lol - in both game interest in collecting items OCD'ness ends soon because of how much crap these games toss at you and because the UI for menus are such balls to navigate that you never both to looks up and manage all this junk anyways. - the stupid scanner, yep, in both games and just as stupid in TW3 - riding the horse sucks, riding the Nomad better, but still sucks. Both only serve purpose to get to next destination. While you can use the Nomad as cover, the horse can sometimes get in the way of combat, lol. - etc, etc. Gameplay wise and overall design wise, TW3 is actually worse then Andromeda. Not just because of gameplay combat, but how exploration is handled. It literally is a very linear game in a checklist of fetch quest. And you can't just have all the side and main quests market on the map all at once like in Skyrim so you can take the route of least resistance and maybe get sidetracked in discovering and opening/completing new quests discovered on the way to do other quests. No, you can only have one quest at a time highlighted on the map, and to toggle between quests, you have to enter another sub menu, lol. And did I mention on console (PS4) bringing up the map is not instant, but comes with an actual 3 or so seconds of loading? So yeah, if you want to follow the quests marked on the map, you're basically doing way more riding horse waste of time across boring open world then needed, or wasting extra time in this game's total garbage UI for navigating between menus. "But what about the question marks on the map, surely they are an alternative for more open non-linear exploration" you say? Yeah, well it would have been if those question marks also listed the recommended levels for doing them too, because starting with the second map you end up in areas where enemies are too powerful for you. Meaning you've just arrived at "Waste of time destination! Proceed to next possible waste of time destination through boring over world because you aren't following the one at at time side quests markers marked on your 3 second load screen map!" How this game got GotY is beyond me. Guess it's all those I have no standards people who say "RPGs don't need gameplay. Just build pretty graphics and story and we will pay." Or in the case of Andromeda "My face is tired animation and graphics to the song and dance of Mac Walters quality of writing & directing? Yes please!" End rant/ You've got to be kidding. Witcher 3 is one of best games I've ever played. The only reason its not finished yet is I play all the AAA games that come out. I guess I'm addicted in my later years. I also loved Andromeda, finished it on Thursday. I was happy they didn't bring back the ME3 characters and my only complaint is my Ryder looked like a dork and I couldn't fix it unless I played as a lady. The open world aspect of ME was great, as was the story. The final mission was the best since ME1. Granted, Witcher 3 does get boring at times, as a matter of fact, I've fallen asleep playing it, but, the gameplay/fighting is amazing. I don't play RPG's for the aesthetics, I play for the story, so calling people that play them that don't agree with you as "no standards people" is off the mark. Everybody has their own opinions on games and I respect yours. You might want to pick another genre to play for awhile, or eat a snickers. There's an oxymoron right there. If you've not finished the game, however can you even say it's one of the best games you've played... because you've not actually played it through. As I was saying earlier in the thread, TW3 is just too long a game with too many side quests that pull the player away from the main story line and mires them down in a world full of little tidbits of old fairy tales. I've honestly only found 1, just 1, Youtube playthrough that is reasonably complete as far as the main story line goes. Most just end shortly after finishing off Family Matters or just part way through the Novigrad main quest line. Some, I've found, actually state that they lost interest in the game at that point... others just stop recording their playthrough (possibly because viewership was fading). Conversely, there are numerous complete playthroughs of the ME Trilogy... very few are not completed. I myself have completed the entire trilogy more than 30 times and probably have replayed individual sections of it more than 3 or 4 times that. With ME:A, I have found a number of complete playthroughs, although there are admittedly a number of incomplete ones as well. I think Bioware made a mistake in trying to copy that "open-world" model at all and they should have stuck more with the format they had for the trilogy. As lauded as TW3 is, it would have been vastly improved, IMO, simply by making the game shorter and eliminating at least 1/2 of those side quests.
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Post by jclosed on May 21, 2017 17:50:13 GMT
You've got to be kidding. Witcher 3 is one of best games I've ever played. The only reason its not finished yet is I play all the AAA games that come out. I guess I'm addicted in my later years. I also loved Andromeda, finished it on Thursday. I was happy they didn't bring back the ME3 characters and my only complaint is my Ryder looked like a dork and I couldn't fix it unless I played as a lady. The open world aspect of ME was great, as was the story. The final mission was the best since ME1. Granted, Witcher 3 does get boring at times, as a matter of fact, I've fallen asleep playing it, but, the gameplay/fighting is amazing. I don't play RPG's for the aesthetics, I play for the story, so calling people that play them that don't agree with you as "no standards people" is off the mark. Everybody has their own opinions on games and I respect yours. You might want to pick another genre to play for awhile, or eat a snickers. There's an oxymoron right there. If you've not finished the game, however can you even say it's one of the best games you've played... because you've not actually played it through. As I was saying earlier in the thread, TW3 is just too long a game with too many side quests that pull the player away from the main story line and mires them down in a world full of little tidbits of old fairy tales. I've honestly only found 1, just 1, Youtube playthrough that is reasonably complete as far as the main story line goes. Most just end shortly after finishing off Family Matters or just part way through the Novigrad main quest line. Some, I've found, actually state that they lost interest in the game at that point... others just stop recording their playthrough (possibly because viewership was fading). Conversely, there are numerous complete playthroughs of the ME Trilogy... very few are not completed. I myself have completed the entire trilogy more than 30 times and probably have replayed individual sections of it more than 3 or 4 times that. With ME:A, I have found a number of complete playthroughs, although there are admittedly a number of incomplete ones as well. I think Bioware made a mistake in trying to copy that "open-world" model at all and they should have stuck more with the format they had for the trilogy. As lauded as TW3 is, it would have been vastly improved, IMO, simply by making the game shorter and eliminating at least 1/2 of those side quests. If you only found one play-trough that is "reasonably complete" you did not searched very well. Just google two names: "Gopher" and "Christoper Odd", and you found at least two YouTubers that have completed the game (there are more). Chris has even played all two extensions, and Gopher is playing "Blood and Wine" right now (and has finished everything else). Both play-troughs are complete. I also played all Witcher games (TW3 even 3 times now), but I also played DA:O/DA2/DA:I (and of course ME1/2/3) several times and even older titles like Baldur's gate, Divinity 2 but also Original Sin and so on. Oh - and I am on my 3th play trough with ME:A and still love it...
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Post by Lady Artifice on May 21, 2017 17:54:32 GMT
I agree with one part: TW3's combat is tedious.
I couldn't disagree more about Roach though. Roach is perfect, and 100 times less obnoxious than that clunking, cumbersome, graceless thing they have the temerity to call the "nomad."
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Post by slimgrin on May 21, 2017 18:00:40 GMT
I Like the combat in TW3, especially when you get to the expansions with a few new abilities and better enemy encounters. But it's admittedly not the strength of the game. It doesn't feel like they put as much effort into it as they did the other areas.
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Post by colfoley on May 21, 2017 18:03:11 GMT
I Like the combat in TW3, especially when you get to the expansions with a few new abilities and better enemy encounters. But it's admittedly not the strength of the game. It doesn't feel like they put as much effort into it as they did teh other areas. that's weird. To me the combat is one of the few areas the game largely excels at. And a big reason i.think it a tier 1 game despite having a lack of philosophical depth and paper thin bad guys.
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Post by jclosed on May 21, 2017 18:05:44 GMT
I agree with one part: TW3's combat is tedious. I couldn't disagree more about Roach though. Roach is perfect, and 100 times less obnoxious than that clunking, cumbersome, graceless thing they have the temerity to call the "nomad." Well - you have to admit that Nomad is 10000 times better than that nightmare on wheels that's called "The Mako". The Mako.... Uhgnnn.. That piece of junk should be bombarded with a megablaster bomb, the resting pieces chopped to splinters, then melted down and poured in a concrete block, and finally that block should be dumped in the core of a exploding Nova to make sure it never returns again to hunt us - Ever again.. Whew - Sorry, I guess you noticed by now I did not like The Mako that very much....
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 18:07:07 GMT
There's an oxymoron right there. If you've not finished the game, however can you even say it's one of the best games you've played... because you've not actually played it through. As I was saying earlier in the thread, TW3 is just too long a game with too many side quests that pull the player away from the main story line and mires them down in a world full of little tidbits of old fairy tales. I've honestly only found 1, just 1, Youtube playthrough that is reasonably complete as far as the main story line goes. Most just end shortly after finishing off Family Matters or just part way through the Novigrad main quest line. Some, I've found, actually state that they lost interest in the game at that point... others just stop recording their playthrough (possibly because viewership was fading). Conversely, there are numerous complete playthroughs of the ME Trilogy... very few are not completed. I myself have completed the entire trilogy more than 30 times and probably have replayed individual sections of it more than 3 or 4 times that. With ME:A, I have found a number of complete playthroughs, although there are admittedly a number of incomplete ones as well. I think Bioware made a mistake in trying to copy that "open-world" model at all and they should have stuck more with the format they had for the trilogy. As lauded as TW3 is, it would have been vastly improved, IMO, simply by making the game shorter and eliminating at least 1/2 of those side quests. If you only found one play-trough that is "reasonably complete" you did not searched very well. Just google two names: "Gopher" and "Christoper Odd", and you found at least two YouTubers that have completed the game (there are more). Chris has even played all two extensions, and Gopher is playing "Blood and Wine" right now (and has finished everything else). Both play-troughs are complete. I also played all Witcher games (TW3 even 3 times now), but I also played DA:O/DA2/DA:I (and of course ME1/2/3) several times and even older titles like Baldur's gate, Divinity 2 but also Original Sin and so on. Oh - and I am on my 3th play trough with ME:A and still love it... Chris Odd's is the one I found... so there's two. Also judging by how many videos he takes to get to the point where he's just finished with Velen vs. how many videos he uses from that point to the end, I would suggest that it seems likely that he started to "rush finish" the game (i.e. do fewer and fewer of the side quests as he worked his way through the game). As a comparison... how many ME3 complete playthroughs have come up online? Heck there were still blind ones being started and finished in the few months before ME:A's release (despite people being of the general opinion that the ending sucks balls). In a poll here... many responded with many multiple playthroughs of the entire Trilogy. The proof is in the pudding... open world model takes the player out of the story... so much so that many lose interest in finishing it... and I certainly would never presume to say "x book is the best I've ever read" if I had not read it through to the end... that is, if the main plot could not keep me interested enough to finish the book before dashing off to read other books. ... and here's a link to one that was officially aborted stating his reasons (which pretty closely mirror my own reasons for abandoning that game twice now): Major Slack typically finishes the playthroughs he starts. He's not a completionist but does try to guide the viewer through an effective playthrough of each game he features on either one of his two channels.
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Post by colfoley on May 21, 2017 18:08:16 GMT
I agree with one part: TW3's combat is tedious. I couldn't disagree more about Roach though. Roach is perfect, and 100 times less obnoxious than that clunking, cumbersome, graceless thing they have the temerity to call the "nomad." Well - you have to admit that Nomad is 10000 times better than that nightmare on wheels that's called "The Mako". That piece of junk should be bombarded with a megablaster bomb, the resting pieces melted down and poured in a concrete block, and the block be dumped in the core of a exploding Nova to make sure it never returns again to hunt us.. Whew - Sorry, I guess you noticed by now I did not like The Mako that very much.... i like the nomad. I still object to.it being in the game.
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Chris Odd's is the one I found... so there's two. Also judging by how many videos he takes to get to the point where he's just finished with Velen vs. how many videos he uses from that point to the end, I would suggest ..... [/quote] You only found 2 complete LPs for TW3? Just 3 secs on youtube I found : Chris Odd, Gopher, CohhCarnage, Kootra, Galm,Meghan Yeah, Lucy Lu, N7Kate, Keith Ballard... I could go on and on and they are all complete. Most of them also have huge subscibers. I also know Gopher, Chris and Cohh and King Goliathon tries 100% completion or near. Sure there are those who stops doing it, but what single game is for everyone? I mean Chris Odd seemed to stop his MEA lp, and he's a big fan of the series. And I'm pretty sure he is not alone.
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Chris Odd's is the one I found... so there's two. Also judging by how many videos he takes to get to the point where he's just finished with Velen vs. how many videos he uses from that point to the end, I would suggest ..... You only found 2 complete LPs for TW3? Just 3 secs on youtube I found : Chris Odd, Gopher, CohhCarnage, Kootra, Galm,Meghan Yeah, Lucy Lu, N7Kate, Keith Ballard... I could go on and on and they are all complete. Most of them also have huge subscibers. I also know Gopher, Chris and Cohh and King Goliathon tries 100% completion or near. Sure there are those who stops doing it, but what single game is for everyone? I mean Chris Odd seemed to stop his MEA lp, and he's a big fan of the series. And I'm pretty sure he is not alone.[/quote] Chris certainly did not do 100% completion (all side quests) of TW3... not even close from what I could tell. I will look into the others you mentioned. As I said, Chris' was the only one I found that seemed reasonably complete. I never said no one had completed the game... but TW3 does have a lower completion percentage by far than the ME Trilogy does. The numbers are certainly not in yet on ME:A... but my point is that the Witcher 3 style of open-world is a mistake. ME:A copied it... and they are, IMO, paying for it. The story suffers. I get that people just jump off the deep end whenever someone says something bad about TW3... it's ridiculous actually because it impedes an actual helpful discussion breaking down the trend in games that is, IMO, moving in the wrong direction... IF what we want are stories that captivate us. The greatest book I've ever read is one that I just could not put down... put the rest of my life on hold for because I just had to read it from start to finish. With the Trilogy, I wanted to get to the end of all 3 games the first time, the second time... and for multiple times... whereas, I have 0 interest in ever finishing TW3... and others apparently are so enthralled with the game that they'll willingly shelve it to play all the other AAA games out there (the person I was responding to stated as much). What Bioware needed to do with ME:A was develop a different model... one that could have enabled people to latch onto Ryder's story and be unwilling to put it down. TW3's open-world model wasn't the right one.
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Chris Odd's is the one I found... so there's two. Also judging by how many videos he takes to get to the point where he's just finished with Velen vs. how many videos he uses from that point to the end, I would suggest ..... You only found 2 complete LPs for TW3? Just 3 secs on youtube I found : Chris Odd, Gopher, CohhCarnage, Kootra, Galm,Meghan Yeah, Lucy Lu, N7Kate, Keith Ballard... I could go on and on and they are all complete. Most of them also have huge subscibers. I also know Gopher, Chris and Cohh and King Goliathon tries 100% completion or near. Sure there are those who stops doing it, but what single game is for everyone? I mean Chris Odd seemed to stop his MEA lp, and he's a big fan of the series. And I'm pretty sure he is not alone. Chris certainly did not do 100% completion (all side quests) of TW3... not even close from what I could tell. I will look into the others you mentioned. As I said, Chris' was the only one I found that seemed reasonably complete. I never said no one had completed the game... but TW3 does have a lower completion percentage by far than the ME Trilogy does. The numbers are certainly not in yet on ME:A... but my point is that the Witcher 3 style of open-world is a mistake. ME:A copied it... and they are, IMO, paying for it. The story suffers. I get that people just jump off the deep end whenever someone says something bad about TW3... it's ridiculous actually because it impedes an actual helpful discussion breaking down the trend in games that is, IMO, moving in the wrong direction... IF what we want are stories that captivate us. The greatest book I've ever read is one that I just could not put down... put the rest of my life on hold for because I just had to read it from start to finish. With the Trilogy, I wanted to get to the end of all 3 games the first time, the second time... and for multiple times... whereas, I have 0 interest in ever finishing TW3... and others apparently are so enthralled with the game that they'll willingly shelve it to play all the other AAA games out there (the person I was responding to stated as much). What Bioware needed to do with ME:A was develop a different model... one that could have enabled people to latch onto Ryder's story and be unwilling to put it down. TW3's open-world model wasn't the right one. [/quote] Have you actually watched the entirety of his lp? Because I have, as well as most of the list above. The product of being bored confined in hospital for 2 weeks. And except for horse racing which he does not like and 2 bugged quest, 2 monster hunts and the caches, he's done it all. Just out of curiousity. Why does an lp have to be 100% for it to be valid in your eyes? Also do not forget that MET games are much much shorter than TW, so for a Lets Player it is more convenient to 100%. And I disagree with you wholeheartedly with regards to the Open World aspect of MEA. If it DID copy even half of the widely praised OP aspect of TW3 then, MEA would be basking in the same glory by now. Except... MEA's OP was compared to DAI. And I agree, except for MEA's side quest is better than DAI. I know because I have actually played and finished all these games. Anyway, if I understand exactly what you are trying to say, I also would rather MEA had not gone Open World. MET formula was one that worked well for it imho and should have kept it as such and just focus on creating beautiful unforgettable characters.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 7:30:40 GMT
IMO I felt like ME A was a DAI reskin I'm pretty sure they used a similar soundtrack too.
The game had that look aswell ofc they probably used the same engine ( ithink) .
I wouldn't compare it to the witcher although it's hold down Y everything probably isn't helping it..
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Again, when folks talk about the greatness of TW3, they never talk about the game play and it's related mechanics. Only story, character, lore, graphics, etc. Like you guys are all glorified goal post movers. I I own witcher but I can't get into it because the combat feels so stiff and akward that it turns me off. I hate the forced lock on you get on enemies in combat for example, why can't I turn around and run freely if I want?
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Post by henkiedepost on May 22, 2017 10:57:34 GMT
Again, when folks talk about the greatness of TW3, they never talk about the game play and it's related mechanics. Only story, character, lore, graphics, etc. Like you guys are all glorified goal post movers. I I own witcher but I can't get into it because the combat feels so stiff and akward that it turns me off. I hate the forced lock on you get on enemies in combat for example, why can't I turn around and run freely if I want? What platform are you playing on? I'm currently playing NG+ on PC and I don't lock on enemies at all because I even forgot which button to use for that.
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Post by force58 on May 22, 2017 11:21:40 GMT
You've got to be kidding. Witcher 3 is one of best games I've ever played. The only reason its not finished yet is I play all the AAA games that come out. I guess I'm addicted in my later years. I also loved Andromeda, finished it on Thursday. I was happy they didn't bring back the ME3 characters and my only complaint is my Ryder looked like a dork and I couldn't fix it unless I played as a lady. The open world aspect of ME was great, as was the story. The final mission was the best since ME1. Granted, Witcher 3 does get boring at times, as a matter of fact, I've fallen asleep playing it, but, the gameplay/fighting is amazing. I don't play RPG's for the aesthetics, I play for the story, so calling people that play them that don't agree with you as "no standards people" is off the mark. Everybody has their own opinions on games and I respect yours. You might want to pick another genre to play for awhile, or eat a snickers. There's an oxymoron right there. If you've not finished the game, however can you even say it's one of the best games you've played... because you've not actually played it through. As I was saying earlier in the thread, TW3 is just too long a game with too many side quests that pull the player away from the main story line and mires them down in a world full of little tidbits of old fairy tales. I've honestly only found 1, just 1, Youtube playthrough that is reasonably complete as far as the main story line goes. Most just end shortly after finishing off Family Matters or just part way through the Novigrad main quest line. Some, I've found, actually state that they lost interest in the game at that point... others just stop recording their playthrough (possibly because viewership was fading). Conversely, there are numerous complete playthroughs of the ME Trilogy... very few are not completed. I myself have completed the entire trilogy more than 30 times and probably have replayed individual sections of it more than 3 or 4 times that. With ME:A, I have found a number of complete playthroughs, although there are admittedly a number of incomplete ones as well. I think Bioware made a mistake in trying to copy that "open-world" model at all and they should have stuck more with the format they had for the trilogy. As lauded as TW3 is, it would have been vastly improved, IMO, simply by making the game shorter and eliminating at least 1/2 of those side quests. I haven't finished the game for exactly the same reason you've stated, its very long. I love the game and will finish it eventually. Since I'm retired I've got a lot of gaming time on my hands, however, I play a lot of games and not just one at the same time. Right now I'm playing the following: ME:A Ghost Recon Wildland Forza 3 World of Tanks The Division I just downloaded all the DLC's for TW3 as well, so yes, it'll get finished.
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Post by danielhungary on May 22, 2017 11:31:21 GMT
My experience with the Witcher 3 was great. I find that game great but that does not mean i will going to play W3 again, after my single full run on deathmarch and after 160 hours. I was played Witcher 3 right after the release, so consider this as Day1. There was not many patches, v1.05 if i remember. This was my first Witcher game and i was surprised that this game is the same category as Mass Effect or Dragon Age, if i can describe Witcher 3 it is a character oriented western style dark fantasy RPG with slow but rich storytelling, stunning characters and visuals, great customization, one of the best built-in game ever, the Gwent and with nice but not great story, cutting-off limbs and heads, but the combat is a lame rip-off of Dark Souls and the Boss fights are all forgettable and the game was very easy on deathmarch and the Gwent AI was very easy too, i was beated every opponent for the first try, the hardest part was in the early parties where i was less on good cards. The game worked properly for me i was experienced quest breaking bug during hunting for Radovid and there was one side mission on Skellige that was never progressed for me because of glitch only if i was choosed always the same option. And there where framerate issues as well in the Swamps very often on the PS4.
So overall Witcher 3 is a great game but far from the greatest RPG's and im sure that CD project Red will do even better with Cyberpunk 2077. I would not compare Mass Effect Andromeda with Witcher 3 but with Dragon Age Inquisition instead.
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Post by abaris on May 22, 2017 12:27:40 GMT
Who really knows how these things will be remembered. I remember when everyone hated DA2 (lower user score on MC), and I ignored all that shit and ended up loving it anyway, then returned to find that a lot of people actually ended up liking it somehow. Maybe it's gypsy magic, or perhaps elves. Why is it always elves? The vitriol that the internet, or at least the gaming community on the internet, is kind of hard to take seriously, because it easily devolves into a pressure cooker of memes and idiocy. Eventually people move on and the bullshit settles. Time will tell how this all fares in the end. None of this really compares to ME3calypse though. DAII is the only Bioware game of recent years not in my library. I played the demo, hated it. I looked at youtube vids, showing the story, hated it. After a few years when it went on sale, I played the demo again. Still hated it. So there's that. The gameplay was sufficient to piss me off in a major way. That may be prejudiced viewpoint, but it's the way it is. And it certainly isn't the view I have of Amdromeda, which I like, without cheering it's shortcomings along.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 12:32:56 GMT
You only found 2 complete LPs for TW3? Just 3 secs on youtube I found : Chris Odd, Gopher, CohhCarnage, Kootra, Galm,Meghan Yeah, Lucy Lu, N7Kate, Keith Ballard... I could go on and on and they are all complete. Most of them also have huge subscibers. I also know Gopher, Chris and Cohh and King Goliathon tries 100% completion or near. Sure there are those who stops doing it, but what single game is for everyone? I mean Chris Odd seemed to stop his MEA lp, and he's a big fan of the series. And I'm pretty sure he is not alone. Chris certainly did not do 100% completion (all side quests) of TW3... not even close from what I could tell. I will look into the others you mentioned. As I said, Chris' was the only one I found that seemed reasonably complete. I never said no one had completed the game... but TW3 does have a lower completion percentage by far than the ME Trilogy does. The numbers are certainly not in yet on ME:A... but my point is that the Witcher 3 style of open-world is a mistake. ME:A copied it... and they are, IMO, paying for it. The story suffers. I get that people just jump off the deep end whenever someone says something bad about TW3... it's ridiculous actually because it impedes an actual helpful discussion breaking down the trend in games that is, IMO, moving in the wrong direction... IF what we want are stories that captivate us. The greatest book I've ever read is one that I just could not put down... put the rest of my life on hold for because I just had to read it from start to finish. With the Trilogy, I wanted to get to the end of all 3 games the first time, the second time... and for multiple times... whereas, I have 0 interest in ever finishing TW3... and others apparently are so enthralled with the game that they'll willingly shelve it to play all the other AAA games out there (the person I was responding to stated as much). What Bioware needed to do with ME:A was develop a different model... one that could have enabled people to latch onto Ryder's story and be unwilling to put it down. TW3's open-world model wasn't the right one. [/quote] I have watched every video to the point where I abandoned my playthrough (after completing Return to Crookback Bog) and I've watched many of them spaced throughout the playthrough (though not the ending). I can say with certainty that he is not doing a 100% completion in that video and that his "pace" of skipping stuff through was quickening as he worked his way further into the game. I never said that anything less than 100% was invalid (stop putting words in my mouth!). I said his was a "reasonably complete" playthrough... thereby acknowledging that it's valid without being a 100% completion. I also said that his was the only one I had found... you've found others great. It's still not the same number of compelte playthroughs (i.e. played right through to the end even at something less than 100%) than the Mass Effect Trilogy enjoys)... despite TW3 being a vastly more popular game than the ME Trilogy... That difference in playthrough completion percentage is what I'm talking about. I wonder though... have you watched it through completely? Have you watched all the others you list completely? Without even being a third through my playthrough of the game... I had "invested" more than 100 hours in trying to connect with that story... and only felt more and more "lost" from it the more I read of the little books and notes I collected in the game and the more I watched online trying to fill in the gaps I thought I had missed on mission. It all ultimately felt cumbersome and tedious... and so I quit. I NEVER felt that way while playing the Trilogy. There is a far higher percentage of complete Trilogy playthroughs online than complete TW3 playthroughs online. As Major Slack says... TW3 is not a playthrough friendly game. Why... because there is too much back story presented in little bits of "books" etc. throughout the game and the game itself is inordinately long. Chris Odd had read the books and had played the previous two games and did "spice up" his playthrough by filling the viewer in with the lore. It helped... but ultimately not enough to keep me interested enough in the story to care about finishing it. A great story is one that the reader can't put down for anything... the presentation of TW3's story in game is not that great... and even the person I responded admits to being able to put it aside to do other things and has still not completed the game even once despite it being now 2 years old.
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Post by The Arbiter on May 22, 2017 12:42:22 GMT
Sounds like you guys are jelly that Witcher III will be remembered as damn good game while Andromeda will be remembered as a dumpster fire. Who really knows how these things will be remembered. Speaking of ME3... this is how I remember it
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 22, 2017 12:46:50 GMT
Who really knows how these things will be remembered.
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Post by xetykins on May 22, 2017 14:14:03 GMT
Chris certainly did not do 100% completion (all side quests) of TW3... not even close from what I could tell. I will look into the others you mentioned. As I said, Chris' was the only one I found that seemed reasonably complete. I never said no one had completed the game... but TW3 does have a lower completion percentage by far than the ME Trilogy does. The numbers are certainly not in yet on ME:A... but my point is that the Witcher 3 style of open-world is a mistake. ME:A copied it... and they are, IMO, paying for it. The story suffers. I get that people just jump off the deep end whenever someone says something bad about TW3... it's ridiculous actually because it impedes an actual helpful discussion breaking down the trend in games that is, IMO, moving in the wrong direction... IF what we want are stories that captivate us. The greatest book I've ever read is one that I just could not put down... put the rest of my life on hold for because I just had to read it from start to finish. With the Trilogy, I wanted to get to the end of all 3 games the first time, the second time... and for multiple times... whereas, I have 0 interest in ever finishing TW3... and others apparently are so enthralled with the game that they'll willingly shelve it to play all the other AAA games out there (the person I was responding to stated as much). What Bioware needed to do with ME:A was develop a different model... one that could have enabled people to latch onto Ryder's story and be unwilling to put it down. TW3's open-world model wasn't the right one. I have watched every video to the point where I abandoned my playthrough (after completing Return to Crookback Bog) and I've watched many of them spaced throughout the playthrough (though not the ending). I can say with certainty that he is not doing a 100% completion in that video and that his "pace" of skipping stuff through was quickening as he worked his way further into the game. I never said that anything less than 100% was invalid (stop putting words in my mouth!). I said his was a "reasonably complete" playthrough... thereby acknowledging that it's valid without being a 100% completion. I also said that his was the only one I had found... you've found others great. It's still not the same number of compelte playthroughs (i.e. played right through to the end even at something less than 100%) than the Mass Effect Trilogy enjoys)... despite TW3 being a vastly more popular game than the ME Trilogy... That difference in playthrough completion percentage is what I'm talking about. I wonder though... have you watched it through completely? Have you watched all the others you list completely? Without even being a third through my playthrough of the game... I had "invested" more than 100 hours in trying to connect with that story... and only felt more and more "lost" from it the more I read of the little books and notes I collected in the game and the more I watched online trying to fill in the gaps I thought I had missed on mission. It all ultimately felt cumbersome and tedious... and so I quit. I NEVER felt that way while playing the Trilogy. There is a far higher percentage of complete Trilogy playthroughs online than complete TW3 playthroughs online. As Major Slack says... TW3 is not a playthrough friendly game. Why... because there is too much back story presented in little bits of "books" etc. throughout the game and the game itself is inordinately long. Chris Odd had read the books and had played the previous two games and did "spice up" his playthrough by filling the viewer in with the lore. It helped... but ultimately not enough to keep me interested enough in the story to care about finishing it. A great story is one that the reader can't put down for anything... the presentation of TW3's story in game is not that great... and even the person I responded admits to being able to put it aside to do other things and has still not completed the game even once despite it being now 2 years old. [/quote] Out of curiousity, can you give me hard evidence of this... percentage of completed LPs you are strenously talking about? Since you are talking about LPs and you said you only found 1. If you are talking about normal plays for normal people, you can never tell because its been sold on multiple outlets and not just Steam. And don't forget that MET is older while there are still a lot of LPs going on for TW3 atm. And yes as I have stated, I watched them while 2 weeks in the hospital ( they do have internet in hospitals here) and 2 weeks on recoup. Have you? Also, I do not understand one bit how on earth someone could get lost on the story when the game itself made a pretty good job on character and story journal. I went straight to TW3 without reading books nor playing the last 2 and I was fine. And english is not even my first language. Another thing,you did Crookback Bog ( where you said you stopped)and you were at 100 hrs? Did you do the quest AFTER Skellige? 🙃 I am seriously baffled.
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