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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 15:05:48 GMT
I have watched every video to the point where I abandoned my playthrough (after completing Return to Crookback Bog) and I've watched many of them spaced throughout the playthrough (though not the ending). I can say with certainty that he is not doing a 100% completion in that video and that his "pace" of skipping stuff through was quickening as he worked his way further into the game. I never said that anything less than 100% was invalid (stop putting words in my mouth!). I said his was a "reasonably complete" playthrough... thereby acknowledging that it's valid without being a 100% completion. I also said that his was the only one I had found... you've found others great. It's still not the same number of compelte playthroughs (i.e. played right through to the end even at something less than 100%) than the Mass Effect Trilogy enjoys)... despite TW3 being a vastly more popular game than the ME Trilogy... That difference in playthrough completion percentage is what I'm talking about. I wonder though... have you watched it through completely? Have you watched all the others you list completely? Without even being a third through my playthrough of the game... I had "invested" more than 100 hours in trying to connect with that story... and only felt more and more "lost" from it the more I read of the little books and notes I collected in the game and the more I watched online trying to fill in the gaps I thought I had missed on mission. It all ultimately felt cumbersome and tedious... and so I quit. I NEVER felt that way while playing the Trilogy. There is a far higher percentage of complete Trilogy playthroughs online than complete TW3 playthroughs online. As Major Slack says... TW3 is not a playthrough friendly game. Why... because there is too much back story presented in little bits of "books" etc. throughout the game and the game itself is inordinately long. Chris Odd had read the books and had played the previous two games and did "spice up" his playthrough by filling the viewer in with the lore. It helped... but ultimately not enough to keep me interested enough in the story to care about finishing it. A great story is one that the reader can't put down for anything... the presentation of TW3's story in game is not that great... and even the person I responded admits to being able to put it aside to do other things and has still not completed the game even once despite it being now 2 years old. [/quote] You have not answered my question... Chris Odd's playthrough of the TW3 is 102 hours long. Gopher's (which, as I said, I had not found when I was playing) is 158. Chris Odd's playthrough, therefore, cannot be 100% complete. Major Slack expressly states reasons why he abandoned his playthrough. Tetra Ninja's just ends with part way through Novigrad (last video is entitled Priscilla). There are numerous TW3 playthroughs on Youtube that are less than 100 videos long and do not show an Ending... they are not complete (i.e. the playthrough does not end with the ending but stops short of it)... most significantly short of it. Google Mass Effect...much shorter game, story is much more cohesive and linear. Advertised completion rate for ME2 is over 50%, for TW3 is stated in one place at somewhere around 13% and another at somewhere around 26%. Now... answer my question... Have you watched all the playthroughs you listed completely? Also...I said clearly I had invested 100 hours in trying to connect to the story... that included playing AND watching videos and is MORE THAN 100 hours... so again, you're not really reading what I'm saying and you continue to try to put words into my mouth... therefore, this will be my last response to you. I also clearly stated how much of Chris's playthough I had watched (every video to the point I was at... i.e. every video to the point when he left Crookback Bog and then I watched a number of random ones later in his playthrough). Also, can you please fix whatever is causing your most recent post to not show up in a quote box whenever I respond to you.
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Post by Invellous on May 22, 2017 15:17:56 GMT
As someone who has beaten both the The Witcher 3 and Mass Effect: Andromeda I can certainty agree that there are some similarities, though I would not venture to say it is because Bioware ripped anything off of the Witcher 3, more so it is a by product of the game genre or design. Everything you list is applicable to Dragon Age: Inquisition and even three recent The Elder Scrolls series entries with Skyrim being the most watered down of the two. Open worlds even if they are more or less separate large maps have many 'unless' areas and 'points of interest', if they did not they would barren and empty and feel lifeless as a result, something Mass Effect: Andromeda is guilty of whereas The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, Dragon Age: Inquisition, and The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim have many so called 'points of interest' and many of which are anything but. The latter offer more 'content' but typically at lower quality, you'd be hard press to argue that everything in any one of the three most recent titles was interesting when exploring. Does that mean that any of the games suck? No, they just have some fluff that is completely optional. If it was not present you would be calling foul on the developers for making empty maps. Mass Effect: Andromeda's environments I will agree are pretty darn boring to explore because typically there is nothing worth exploring. Everything save for Havarl(SP?) feels barren and dead, which it can be argued that is because of the narrative and story and not developer incompetence. In my opinion, however, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt is far from boring, many at time I found my self just enjoying the scenery and various small villages that feel authentic and appropriate whereas say The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim and Dragon Age: Inquisition's local feel out of place and just placed where they are at a whim aside from a select few exceptions. Cities in the former feel alive and well constructed, not quite on the scale of Assassin's Creed but just big enough, whereas again the other two are lifeless and empty with just a handful of NPCs who while having their own schedules and dialogue lack in most cases any depth and to makes matters worse the dialogue and voice acting is just as dead as the stare they give you. I genuinely enjoyed my time exploring the environments in The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt much in the same way as I did any Elder Scrolls game while the other two; Andromeda and Inquisition left me wishing the game would just end. In regards to combat Andromeda boasts the most polished of it's series and yet as with every single redeemable aspect of the game there is an equal flaw and that is the laughable difficulty or should I say the lack thereof and the removal of squad control and coordination. Even on Insanity the game begins to become as easy as Call of Duty, a simple shooting gallery that fills up the void in between relevant scenes. Inquisition at least for me had a steady progression system where I found myself going from struggling with a dragon to felling them with little difficultly. Though it is boring for the same reason the other two titles are and can be which is it that they dissolve into hack and slash with dead brain AI controlling NPCs though Skyrim is far worse than The Withcer 3: Wild Hunt which actually boasts difficulty but gives you the tools and means to tackle those distentions you deemed unbeatable much in the way Dark Souls allows you tackle stacked odds and come out on top if you play it right. Will it be easy? No, but you can with the right tools and no cheese tactics beat creatures ten levels above you. Controls and Interface are of a lesser concern and in none of the listed titles did I really find myself taxed by going through them, I am just not overly impatient I guess? Inquisition's crafting much like Andromeda's did feel taxing and cumbersome while Witcher 3 really needed better list sorting but was still manageable as I do not require upgrades too often. The biggest offender of the lot is Andromeda with way too many loading screens and unnecessary transitions, also to speak out against Witcher 3, those dang recap scenes that show before the actual loading screens those got on my nerve. I will also throw the horse riding and Nomad into this section because they are of a lesser concern, if the games was centered around horse back riding and off road driving I might take more offense but they are fine to me on either controller or keyboard, I have both and used both. In summery, these games are not ripped off one another they are just of a similar design and thus have at their core mirroring structures, this is not uncommon in any format and if you deemed to do so you could take any two game titles and make a similar argument. "Hey, Call of Duty ripped off of Battlefield cause you shoot people with a similar control scheme!" They equally suffer from common flaws found in their genre, some titles are stronger in certain areas while others are not. This is attested to developer goals rather than competence. I could argue intensively in any one's favor and point out their strengths but then I would have an article and would much rather spend my day off on The Witcher 3's second DLC after beating Heart of Stone.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 22, 2017 16:36:23 GMT
Who really knows how these things will be remembered. Speaking of ME3... this is how I remember it I can't help but appreciate the irony here, because the first image is pre-patch, whereas players did not get an image like the one with Tali here until BioWare "fixed" the ending with the Extended Cut. So really, anyone who played ME3 when it was actually released wouldn't have something like this to reminisce upon at all, but rather the abrupt, unsatisfying conclusion that left all of our beloved characters seemingly stranded in some unknown system. So to my point, regardless of pundits, doomsayers and fanboys/girls alike, there's no telling how well this game will fare over the course of its life. Inquisition is largely remembered now for Trespasser, which I'd argue is some of the best DA content released in a long time.
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Post by xetykins on May 22, 2017 16:57:18 GMT
I have watched every video to the point where I abandoned my playthrough (after completing Return to Crookback Bog) and I've watched many of them spaced throughout the playthrough (though not the ending). I can say with certainty that he is not doing a 100% completion in that video and that his "pace" of skipping stuff through was quickening as he worked his way further into the game. I never said that anything less than 100% was invalid (stop putting words in my mouth!). I said his was a "reasonably complete" playthrough... thereby acknowledging that it's valid without being a 100% completion. I also said that his was the only one I had found... you've found others great. It's still not the same number of compelte playthroughs (i.e. played right through to the end even at something less than 100%) than the Mass Effect Trilogy enjoys)... despite TW3 being a vastly more popular game than the ME Trilogy... That difference in playthrough completion percentage is what I'm talking about. I wonder though... have you watched it through completely? Have you watched all the others you list completely? Without even being a third through my playthrough of the game... I had "invested" more than 100 hours in trying to connect with that story... and only felt more and more "lost" from it the more I read of the little books and notes I collected in the game and the more I watched online trying to fill in the gaps I thought I had missed on mission. It all ultimately felt cumbersome and tedious... and so I quit. I NEVER felt that way while playing the Trilogy. There is a far higher percentage of complete Trilogy playthroughs online than complete TW3 playthroughs online. As Major Slack says... TW3 is not a playthrough friendly game. Why... because there is too much back story presented in little bits of "books" etc. throughout the game and the game itself is inordinately long. Chris Odd had read the books and had played the previous two games and did "spice up" his playthrough by filling the viewer in with the lore. It helped... but ultimately not enough to keep me interested enough in the story to care about finishing it. A great story is one that the reader can't put down for anything... the presentation of TW3's story in game is not that great... and even the person I responded admits to being able to put it aside to do other things and has still not completed the game even once despite it being now 2 years old. Out of curiousity, can you give me hard evidence of this... percentage of completed LPs you are strenously talking about? Since you are talking about LPs and you said you only found 1. If you are talking about normal plays for normal people, you can never tell because its been sold on multiple outlets and not just Steam. And don't forget that MET is older while there are still a lot of LPs going on for TW3 atm. And yes as I have stated, I watched them while 2 weeks in the hospital ( they do have internet in hospitals here) and 2 weeks on recoup. Have you? Also, I do not understand one bit how on earth someone could get lost on the story when the game itself made a pretty good job on character and story journal. I went straight to TW3 without reading books nor playing the last 2 and I was fine. And english is not even my first language. Another thing,you did Crookback Bog ( where you said you stopped)and you were at 100 hrs? Did you do the quest AFTER Skellige? 🙃 I am seriously baffled. You have not answered my question... Chris Odd's playthrough of the TW3 is 102 hours long. Gopher's (which, as I said, I had not found when I was playing) is 158. Chris Odd's playthrough, therefore, cannot be 100% complete. Major Slack expressly states reasons why he abandoned his playthrough. Tetra Ninja's just ends with part way through Novigrad (last video is entitled Priscilla). There are numerous TW3 playthroughs on Youtube that are less than 100 videos long and do not show an Ending... they are not complete (i.e. the playthrough does not end with the ending but stops short of it)... most significantly short of it. Google Mass Effect...much shorter game, story is much more cohesive and linear. Advertised completion rate for ME2 is over 50%, for TW3 is stated in one place at somewhere around 13% and another at somewhere around 26%. Now... answer my question... Have you watched all the playthroughs you listed completely? Also...I said clearly I had invested 100 hours in trying to connect to the story... that included playing AND watching videos and is MORE THAN 100 hours... so again, you're not really reading what I'm saying and you continue to try to put words into my mouth... therefore, this will be my last response to you. I also clearly stated how much of Chris playthough I had watched (every video to the point I was at... i.e. every video to the point when he left Crookback Bog and then I watched a number of random ones later in his playthrough). [/quote] I watched 5 of them on their entirity including chris. The rest I watched the bits I am interested on. It was interesting to see reactions a couple of those who only seemed to play shooter but also seem to like the game. And please do not talk about things you don't even know anything about. Have you ever watched how different play styles Gopher and Chris got? Now please watch them and you will know. Number of hours does not indicate how thoroughly you have played the game. For example I finished the game in 243 hrs, others much less or a bit more. I am not putting words on your mouth. Rather you are very evasive. Like still not pointing out where I can see the stats and including open world. You just go on " a book you cannot put down. You are so adamant that there was only 1 or 2 playthrough out there so I have given you a very short list. And you specifically said that the that the percentage is higher in MET. It is probably so considering each game is considerably shorter than TW3 by 3x it is not that shocking. People are still happily trugging along. In fact peak players on steam alone the last 30 days is still at 19621 2 years later. And where did you get the completion rate for them? Also, how would you know if someone did a complete playthrough? I mean I WOULD know since I have actually completed the game. I dont give a toss about Major Wotchamacallit's reason for not finishing the game, we are talking about who did.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 18:22:10 GMT
Out of curiousity, can you give me hard evidence of this... percentage of completed LPs you are strenously talking about? Since you are talking about LPs and you said you only found 1. If you are talking about normal plays for normal people, you can never tell because its been sold on multiple outlets and not just Steam. And don't forget that MET is older while there are still a lot of LPs going on for TW3 atm. And yes as I have stated, I watched them while 2 weeks in the hospital ( they do have internet in hospitals here) and 2 weeks on recoup. Have you? Also, I do not understand one bit how on earth someone could get lost on the story when the game itself made a pretty good job on character and story journal. I went straight to TW3 without reading books nor playing the last 2 and I was fine. And english is not even my first language. Another thing,you did Crookback Bog ( where you said you stopped)and you were at 100 hrs? Did you do the quest AFTER Skellige? 🙃 I am seriously baffled. You have not answered my question... Chris Odd's playthrough of the TW3 is 102 hours long. Gopher's (which, as I said, I had not found when I was playing) is 158. Chris Odd's playthrough, therefore, cannot be 100% complete. Major Slack expressly states reasons why he abandoned his playthrough. Tetra Ninja's just ends with part way through Novigrad (last video is entitled Priscilla). There are numerous TW3 playthroughs on Youtube that are less than 100 videos long and do not show an Ending... they are not complete (i.e. the playthrough does not end with the ending but stops short of it)... most significantly short of it. Google Mass Effect...much shorter game, story is much more cohesive and linear. Advertised completion rate for ME2 is over 50%, for TW3 is stated in one place at somewhere around 13% and another at somewhere around 26%. Now... answer my question... Have you watched all the playthroughs you listed completely? Also...I said clearly I had invested 100 hours in trying to connect to the story... that included playing AND watching videos and is MORE THAN 100 hours... so again, you're not really reading what I'm saying and you continue to try to put words into my mouth... therefore, this will be my last response to you. I also clearly stated how much of Chris playthough I had watched (every video to the point I was at... i.e. every video to the point when he left Crookback Bog and then I watched a number of random ones later in his playthrough). [/quote] Bullshit. It's not possible for Chris to do a 100% completion playthrough and have Gopher find another 58 hours of play in the game when Chris was initially reading everything aloud and playing a ton of gwent. Also, you do put words in my mouth. I never used the term 'invalid" yet you said that I consider any playthrough that was not 100% complete to be invalid. It took you 243 hours to play that game... yet you chastise me for taking what you thought was 100 hours to get 1/3 of the way through... even when we were talking about watching videos and not playing the game at that point. Now, you want me to believe that you watch more than 500 hours worth of videos during a two-week stay in the hospital... between interruption for whatever treatments you were in the hospital for????? That is twenty 24-hour days of videos... not possible I'm afraid. ... and to show my math: Major Slack's Playthrough to the point he abandoned it is 25 hours long and I watched it all Chris Odd's Playthrough to the point I watched every video is 28 hours long Chris Odd's Random Vids - estimating that I probably watched another 3 to 5 hours worth I said I had invested more than 100 hours in trying to connect to the story... so, not including reading on the Wiki and reading other various posts to try to figure out what all the little books I collected in the game were all about... I probably played about 50 hours of the game to do the initial tutorial at Kaer Morhen, the quests at White Orchard (along with the various side quests, monster dens, places of power, etc. in that area) and then to do the main quest lines (Bloody Baron and Kiera Metz) in Velen along with some of the side quests and contracts that I encountered that I felt were at or near my level). I did not do Skellige beforehand. (I trust this is now clear?) I should also add - that was in two separate starts of the game. I started it once awhile back and lost interest and then restarted it again to give it a second chance more recently. I think I've made a real effort to try to get involved with the story of TW3. The game's open-world format along with it's method of feeding a new player the back story and the overwhelming about of back story it tries to feed the player) just doesn't work for me. The game would be vastly improved, IMO, if it were shorter and an entire brief of the backstory were just included at the outset in a codex... and all those stupid books one loots just eliminated from the game. Completion Stats for TW3: www.gamepressure.com/e.asp?ID=918Completion Stats for ME2 and ME3: www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-08-13-less-players-completed-mass-effect-3-than-finished-mass-effect-2
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Post by xetykins on May 22, 2017 19:50:28 GMT
You have not answered my question... Chris Odd's playthrough of the TW3 is 102 hours long. Gopher's (which, as I said, I had not found when I was playing) is 158. Chris Odd's playthrough, therefore, cannot be 100% complete. Major Slack expressly states reasons why he abandoned his playthrough. Tetra Ninja's just ends with part way through Novigrad (last video is entitled Priscilla). There are numerous TW3 playthroughs on Youtube that are less than 100 videos long and do not show an Ending... they are not complete (i.e. the playthrough does not end with the ending but stops short of it)... most significantly short of it. Google Mass Effect...much shorter game, story is much more cohesive and linear. Advertised completion rate for ME2 is over 50%, for TW3 is stated in one place at somewhere around 13% and another at somewhere around 26%. Now... answer my question... Have you watched all the playthroughs you listed completely? Also...I said clearly I had invested 100 hours in trying to connect to the story... that included playing AND watching videos and is MORE THAN 100 hours... so again, you're not really reading what I'm saying and you continue to try to put words into my mouth... therefore, this will be my last response to you. I also clearly stated how much of Chris playthough I had watched (every video to the point I was at... i.e. every video to the point when he left Crookback Bog and then I watched a number of random ones later in his playthrough). Bullshit. It's not possible for Chris to do a 100% completion playthrough and have Gopher find another 58 hours of play in the game when Chris was initially reading everything aloud and playing a ton of gwent. Also, you do put words in my mouth. I never used the term 'invalid" yet you said that I consider any playthrough that was not 100% complete to be invalid. It took you 243 hours to play that game... yet you chastise me for taking what you thought was 100 hours to get 1/3 of the way through... even when we were talking about watching videos and not playing the game at that point. Now, you want me to believe that you watch more than 500 hours worth of videos during a two-week stay in the hospital... between interruption for whatever treatments you were in the hospital for????? That is twenty 24-hour days of videos... not possible I'm afraid. [/quote] When did i ever said they are 100% ? I believe my exact words were "they tried to do 100 or close". And I specifically even told you what they have not done or missed and why. Like I can tell you now that when gopher finished his pt , he missed the gwent tournament and 2 monster hunts and one other. But he went back and did them after. I never said i watched them all within 2 weeks. All of Chris yes, and I usually skip over to the decisions they made on the quests. And you can watch them over time. I did not need to watch every single minute because I HAVE PLAYED IT first and know the story. There are so much different choices and consequence on this game that they are worth watching, specially their reactions to them. Its the same when I watched ME lps, I watch the decision making on the quests because when you have you know, played the game, sec by sec does not interest you. But does it matter? It still does not prove your initial point of just 2 lps available. I gave you list, then you move the goal posts to 100% lp completion, then to average player completion "percentage". Then posted a random vids about some youtuber on why he stopped playing because it validates yours. Its just as murky as your saying mea copied tw3's apparently bad open world when most critics and people compare it to DAI. In fact I do not see anything the same between the 2 at all. If fact, if you have done crookback bog and watched 60 hr videos, you'll see that too. Dont try so hard. Enjoy the game you enjoy without pulling others into a puddle to make yours look better.
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Chris certainly did not do 100% completion (all side quests) of TW3... not even close from what I could tell. I will look into the others you mentioned. As I said, Chris' was the only one I found that seemed reasonably complete. I never said no one had completed the game... but TW3 does have a lower completion percentage by far than the ME Trilogy does. The numbers are certainly not in yet on ME:A... but my point is that the Witcher 3 style of open-world is a mistake. ME:A copied it... and they are, IMO, paying for it. The story suffers. I get that people just jump off the deep end whenever someone says something bad about TW3... it's ridiculous actually because it impedes an actual helpful discussion breaking down the trend in games that is, IMO, moving in the wrong direction... IF what we want are stories that captivate us. The greatest book I've ever read is one that I just could not put down... put the rest of my life on hold for because I just had to read it from start to finish. With the Trilogy, I wanted to get to the end of all 3 games the first time, the second time... and for multiple times... whereas, I have 0 interest in ever finishing TW3... and others apparently are so enthralled with the game that they'll willingly shelve it to play all the other AAA games out there (the person I was responding to stated as much). What Bioware needed to do with ME:A was develop a different model... one that could have enabled people to latch onto Ryder's story and be unwilling to put it down. TW3's open-world model wasn't the right one. I have watched every video to the point where I abandoned my playthrough (after completing Return to Crookback Bog) and I've watched many of them spaced throughout the playthrough (though not the ending). I can say with certainty that he is not doing a 100% completion in that video and that his "pace" of skipping stuff through was quickening as he worked his way further into the game. I never said that anything less than 100% was invalid (stop putting words in my mouth!). I said his was a "reasonably complete" playthrough... thereby acknowledging that it's valid without being a 100% completion. I also said that his was the only one I had found... you've found others great. It's still not the same number of compelte playthroughs (i.e. played right through to the end even at something less than 100%) than the Mass Effect Trilogy enjoys)... despite TW3 being a vastly more popular game than the ME Trilogy... That difference in playthrough completion percentage is what I'm talking about. I wonder though... have you watched it through completely? Have you watched all the others you list completely? Without even being a third through my playthrough of the game... I had "invested" more than 100 hours in trying to connect with that story... and only felt more and more "lost" from it the more I read of the little books and notes I collected in the game and the more I watched online trying to fill in the gaps I thought I had missed on mission. It all ultimately felt cumbersome and tedious... and so I quit. I NEVER felt that way while playing the Trilogy. There is a far higher percentage of complete Trilogy playthroughs online than complete TW3 playthroughs online. As Major Slack says... TW3 is not a playthrough friendly game. Why... because there is too much back story presented in little bits of "books" etc. throughout the game and the game itself is inordinately long. Chris Odd had read the books and had played the previous two games and did "spice up" his playthrough by filling the viewer in with the lore. It helped... but ultimately not enough to keep me interested enough in the story to care about finishing it. A great story is one that the reader can't put down for anything... the presentation of TW3's story in game is not that great... and even the person I responded admits to being able to put it aside to do other things and has still not completed the game even once despite it being now 2 years old. [/quote] Silly argument. What do you think the % of playthroughs is for Skyrim? Probably super low. TW3 is a huge game - is like comparing a desert to the child's sandbox that is the trilogy.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 21:49:35 GMT
Bullshit. It's not possible for Chris to do a 100% completion playthrough and have Gopher find another 58 hours of play in the game when Chris was initially reading everything aloud and playing a ton of gwent. Also, you do put words in my mouth. I never used the term 'invalid" yet you said that I consider any playthrough that was not 100% complete to be invalid. It took you 243 hours to play that game... yet you chastise me for taking what you thought was 100 hours to get 1/3 of the way through... even when we were talking about watching videos and not playing the game at that point. Now, you want me to believe that you watch more than 500 hours worth of videos during a two-week stay in the hospital... between interruption for whatever treatments you were in the hospital for????? That is twenty 24-hour days of videos... not possible I'm afraid. [/quote] ... 100 or close... Chris lacks at least 58 hours of Gopher's gameplay... and that's close????? You stated that you had watched 5 of those on the list "in entirety" - but now you say, "I skipped over..." even in Chris' vids. Sorry, that's not the definition in "in entirety." You're the one trying to "validate" your lies... because I happened to do some math and have caught you making some very exaggerated comments in order to "invalidate" my comments. It's pointless... the bottom line here is that Chris's playthrough is not 100% complete... not even close. That's the remark I made and I fully stand by that remark. To take TW3 to 100% completion takes a lot more than 102 hours - based on gopher (158), and CohnCarnage (160 hours). One can skim the main story pretty quick (27 hours per N7Kate) or do probably what is a more average playtrhough of mostly main quests and some of the side quests in about 100 hours (based on Galm and Yeah and Odd). None of which are 100% complete playthroughs... not even close... and I can ascertain that with a great degree of certainty based just on how they title their individual instalments... and you can add up the times as well). BTW, I could not find "Lucy Lu" - I did find Suzy Lu... her playthrough ends in Novigrad with Triss being tortured... so yet another abandoned/incomplete playthorugh. As I said, there are several if you do a general search of YouTube that stop before they reach the ending. But tell me... If not doing the side quests is what keeps the player connected to the story... then doesn't having so many of them draw the player away from the main story (which was and always has been my original point)? Huge open-worlds with massive numbers of side quests draw the player out of the main story... even making it more difficult for the player to follow the back story because in an open world everything comes to the player in a jumbled mess... it has to or the player could not do things in any order they want. Linear continuity and pacing suffer. It was a mistake for Bioware to try to follow TW3's model with their type of story. The story in ME:A got lost and the game has suffered for it. They would have been better off sticking more to the linear style of story telling they had used for the Trilogy (of course, IMO).
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Post by The Arbiter on May 23, 2017 2:16:05 GMT
Speaking of ME3... this is how I remember it I can't help but appreciate the irony here, because the first image is pre-patch, whereas players did not get an image like the one with Tali here until BioWare "fixed" the ending with the Extended Cut. So really, anyone who played ME3 when it was actually released wouldn't have something like this to reminisce upon at all, but rather the abrupt, unsatisfying conclusion that left all of our beloved characters seemingly stranded in some unknown system. So to my point, regardless of pundits, doomsayers and fanboys/girls alike, there's no telling how well this game will fare over the course of its life. Inquisition is largely remembered now for Trespasser, which I'd argue is some of the best DA content released in a long time. That's precisely my point. Idiots tolerating shitty releases until a patch is given lol
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Post by kino on May 23, 2017 3:38:42 GMT
I can't help but appreciate the irony here, because the first image is pre-patch, whereas players did not get an image like the one with Tali here until BioWare "fixed" the ending with the Extended Cut. So really, anyone who played ME3 when it was actually released wouldn't have something like this to reminisce upon at all, but rather the abrupt, unsatisfying conclusion that left all of our beloved characters seemingly stranded in some unknown system. So to my point, regardless of pundits, doomsayers and fanboys/girls alike, there's no telling how well this game will fare over the course of its life. Inquisition is largely remembered now for Trespasser, which I'd argue is some of the best DA content released in a long time. That's precisely my point. Idiots tolerating shitty releases until a patch is given lol lol, no they don't. That's why a patch was released after 2 weeks. Because even die hard fans spoke up, but they weren't being idiots about it.
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Post by The Arbiter on May 23, 2017 3:51:13 GMT
That's precisely my point. Idiots tolerating shitty releases until a patch is given lol lol, no they don't. That's why a patch was released after 2 weeks. Because even die hard fans spoke up, but they weren't being idiots about it. Pre-ordering it and actually buying into EA's shit is. I do understand the ME3 issue though, game was solid until the last fuck up but Andromeda? after all the reports of facial animation issues prior to release, the question of story line, the shutting down of BioWARE forums and people still bought into the hype. Idiots I must say
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Post by kino on May 23, 2017 4:13:04 GMT
lol, no they don't. That's why a patch was released after 2 weeks. Because even die hard fans spoke up, but they weren't being idiots about it. Pre-ordering it and actually buying into EA's shit is. I do understand the ME3 issue though, game was solid until the last fuck up but Andromeda? after all the reports of facial animation issues prior to release, the question of story line, the shutting down of BioWARE forums and people still bought into the hype. Idiots I must say Actually that's fans being fans and then voicing concerns to the company for updates. Which they received, by the way, three times now. See, idiocy is vainly trying to mock people for being fans on a fan forum run by...wait for it...fans. Now that's, lol, idiocy but, fuck it, you do you, man.
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Post by The Arbiter on May 23, 2017 5:41:48 GMT
Pre-ordering it and actually buying into EA's shit is. I do understand the ME3 issue though, game was solid until the last fuck up but Andromeda? after all the reports of facial animation issues prior to release, the question of story line, the shutting down of BioWARE forums and people still bought into the hype. Idiots I must say Actually that's fans being fans and then voicing concerns to the company for updates. Which they received, by the way, three times now. See, idiocy is vainly trying to mock people for being fans on a fan forum run by...wait for it...fans. Now that's, lol, idiocy but, fuck it, you do you, man. There's a difference of being fans and being fucked in the arse my friend. I actually spoke to "fans" who did not pre-order nor bought Andromeda's Hype. Those are the "real fans" not your "fans being fans" description in a "fan forum" smh
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Post by kino on May 23, 2017 5:52:39 GMT
Actually that's fans being fans and then voicing concerns to the company for updates. Which they received, by the way, three times now. See, idiocy is vainly trying to mock people for being fans on a fan forum run by...wait for it...fans. Now that's, lol, idiocy but, fuck it, you do you, man. There's a difference of being fans and being fucked in the arse my friend. I actually spoke to "fans" who did not pre-order nor bought Andromeda's Hype. Those are the "real fans" not your "fans being fans" description in a "fan forum" smh Ah, yes, the ol' simile of being fucked in the ass and being a fan of a game. Makes perfect sense...if you were drunk, stupid or both. See, I've spoken to plenty of people who play as well. People I know, have dinner with and hang out with. Family and friends. They love the game and enjoy the hell out of it. Those are fans as well, real fans fy-fucking-i, and their opinions are perfectly valid. So are folks who don't like the game, as long as they're not being juvenile about it and dismissive of those who actually enjoy Andromeda.
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Post by The Arbiter on May 23, 2017 6:03:31 GMT
There's a difference of being fans and being fucked in the arse my friend. I actually spoke to "fans" who did not pre-order nor bought Andromeda's Hype. Those are the "real fans" not your "fans being fans" description in a "fan forum" smh Ah, yes, the ol' simile of being fucked in the ass and being a fan of a game. Makes perfect sense...if you were drunk, stupid or both. See, I've spoken to plenty of people who people as well. People I know, have dinner with and hang out with. Family and friends. They love the game and enjoy the hell out of it. Those are fans as well, real fans fy-fucking-i, and their opinions are perfectly valid. So are folks who don't like the game, as long as they're not being juvenile about it and dismissive of those who actually enjoy Andromeda. did they buy the books? I thought we are talking about "hard-core" fans here not some one time wonder fans. Criticizing the game is now juvenile? some fan you are
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Post by kino on May 23, 2017 6:22:47 GMT
Ah, yes, the ol' simile of being fucked in the ass and being a fan of a game. Makes perfect sense...if you were drunk, stupid or both. See, I've spoken to plenty of people who people as well. People I know, have dinner with and hang out with. Family and friends. They love the game and enjoy the hell out of it. Those are fans as well, real fans fy-fucking-i, and their opinions are perfectly valid. So are folks who don't like the game, as long as they're not being juvenile about it and dismissive of those who actually enjoy Andromeda. did they buy the books? I thought we are talking about "hard-core" fans here not some one time wonder fans. Criticizing the game is now juvenile? some fan you are No, criticizing the fans is juvenile. See your previous post and those before. Let me know if you need help. As for the books, no idea, but they've all played the whole trilogy. And my nieces fiance has the N7 jacket and all the Funko characters, not that it really matters and, frankly, who really cares? Geebus, as if the books are the defining factor of being a fan of the series. Trite doesn't even began to describe it.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 7:09:57 GMT
Pubs will push all they can with different revenue methods. Ultimately the consumers will throttle them if they go too far bringing bad value.
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Post by simtam on May 23, 2017 14:03:44 GMT
It's easy to find that Mr.ChristopherOdd conducted, in his own words "a full walkthrough, playthrough, and I will try to be very thorough in exploring all aspects of the game", but it wasn't the wet dream of a completionist - just look at one of the videos near the end when he browses his quest journal.
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Post by The Arbiter on May 23, 2017 14:56:09 GMT
did they buy the books? I thought we are talking about "hard-core" fans here not some one time wonder fans. Criticizing the game is now juvenile? some fan you are No, criticizing the fans is juvenile. See your previous post. Let me know if you need help. As for the books, no idea, but they've all played the whole trilogy. Plus, my nieces fiance has the N7 jacket and all the Funko characters, not that it matters. Geebus, as if the books are the determining factor of being a fan of the series. Trite doesn't even began to describe that. No I'm not criticizing the fans at all. WE ARE CRITICIZING EA AND THE CONSUMER BASE calling themselves "fans". This practice of tolerating crap games and then asking for patches after release is the reason why the quality of "AAA" games if they are "AAA" at all are going down hill. If you were hit with my previous comments maybe you are the one who needs help. Like I've said aren't we supposed to be talking of hardcore fans here? if they are truly fans why not buy the books? why not criticize the writing and the bad behavior of buying stuff almost instantly if knowing that back in the reveal shit were already apparent, unless of course they love being fucked in the arse MASS EFFECT ANDROMEDA "A TRUE AAA EXPERIENCE" bollocks. Sir, may we have a patch plzzzz
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 23, 2017 15:06:20 GMT
No, criticizing the fans is juvenile. See your previous post. Let me know if you need help. As for the books, no idea, but they've all played the whole trilogy. Plus, my nieces fiance has the N7 jacket and all the Funko characters, not that it matters. Geebus, as if the books are the determining factor of being a fan of the series. Trite doesn't even began to describe that. No I'm not criticizing the fans at all. WE ARE CRITICIZING EA AND THE CONSUMER BASE calling themselves "fans". This practice of tolerating crap games and then asking for patches after release is the reason why the quality of "AAA" games if they are "AAA" at all are going down hill. If you were hit with my previous comments maybe you are the one who needs help. Like I've said aren't we supposed to be talking of hardcore fans here? if they are truly fans why not buy the books? why not criticize the writing and the bad behavior of buying stuff almost instantly if knowing that back in the reveal shit were already apparent, unless of course they love being fucked in the arse Look! It's the fandom police! What's your badge number?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 15:09:25 GMT
It's easy to find that Mr.ChristopherOdd conducted, in his own words "a full walkthrough, playthrough, and I will try to be very thorough in exploring all aspects of the game", but it wasn't the wet dream of a completionist - just look at one of the videos near the end when he browses his quest journal. I don't see this as relevant to the quality of the game, of course. Unless you show me a completionist let's play of, for instance, Mount&Blade game. Crikey... I cannot believe this is still being discussed... what part of "reasonably complete" do people not understand. Abandoned or incomplete... does not go to the ending (Major Slack's walkthrough was abandoned) Skipping through the main quest only... these do go through the ending but don't do the side quests or very many of them at all (e.g. N7Kate - playthrough is 27 hours long after subtracting DLC time; she could not have done very many of the sidequests at all) Reasonably complete... does a percentage of the side quests... but NOT all of them (Chris Odd, Meghan Yeah, GaLm - playthroughs around the 100 hour mark) 100% complete... does ALL the side quests (not Chris Odd because obviously Gopher (158 hours) and CohnCarnage (160 hours) found 56 to 58 more hours of gameplay in TW3 than the other "reasonably complete" playthroughs. That 56 hours is about 1/3 of the length of the game. It cannot be accounted for merely by being slower at the fights. It MUST mean that Chris Odd and those doing the "reasonably complete" playthroughs did not do ALL the side quests. It does not "invalidate" Chris' playthrough (and I never said it did)... but it still means that it is not 100% complete or even close. "Close" would be if there were say, up to even 10 hours of difference between Chris' playthrough and Gopher's and CrohnCarnage's. There are a significant number of sidequests in that game that Chris did not find... it's the only thing that reasonably explains that amount of difference among players who are, across the board, regular gamers and reasonably skilled at the gameplay. The stats given show that about 26% of the players finished TW3... either by skipping through just the main, doing some of the side quests, or doing all of them because that stat is accumulated through achievements... so if people made the ending, their play counts towards that stat. Mass Effect 2 had 56% of people completing the game, ME3 had 42%. That difference is significant... i.e. it's not 1% or 2%.... it's double. TW3 could be easily shortened by 1/3 (most people don't find about 56 hours worth of those side quests anyways)... and IMO it would be vastly improved if all that "fluff" were left out. I think they would have enjoyed a higher completion rate... i.e. fewer people that wound up, like me, abandoning their playthroughs because they found themselves mired in side quests.
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Post by The Arbiter on May 23, 2017 15:13:31 GMT
No I'm not criticizing the fans at all. WE ARE CRITICIZING EA AND THE CONSUMER BASE calling themselves "fans". This practice of tolerating crap games and then asking for patches after release is the reason why the quality of "AAA" games if they are "AAA" at all are going down hill. If you were hit with my previous comments maybe you are the one who needs help. Like I've said aren't we supposed to be talking of hardcore fans here? if they are truly fans why not buy the books? why not criticize the writing and the bad behavior of buying stuff almost instantly if knowing that back in the reveal shit were already apparent, unless of course they love being fucked in the arse Look! It's the fandom police! What's your badge number? 666. P.S. Andromeda should be renamed to "MASS: EARLY ACCESS" apparently people loves to be milked [
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Post by kino on May 23, 2017 15:17:23 GMT
No, criticizing the fans is juvenile. See your previous post. Let me know if you need help. As for the books, no idea, but they've all played the whole trilogy. Plus, my nieces fiance has the N7 jacket and all the Funko characters, not that it matters. Geebus, as if the books are the determining factor of being a fan of the series. Trite doesn't even began to describe that. No I'm not criticizing the fans at all. WE ARE CRITICIZING EA AND THE CONSUMER BASE calling themselves "fans". This practice of tolerating crap games and then asking for patches after release is the reason why the quality of "AAA" games if they are "AAA" at all are going down hill. If you were hit with my previous comments maybe you are the one who needs help. Like I've said aren't we supposed to be talking of hardcore fans here? if they are truly fans why not buy the books? why not criticize the writing and the bad behavior of buying stuff almost instantly if knowing that back in the reveal shit were already apparent, unless of course they love being fucked in the arse MASS EFFECT ANDROMEDA "A TRUE AAA EXPERIENCE" bollocks. Sir, may we have a patch plzzzz The following statements are your words; - Idiots tolerating shitty releases until a patch - Idiots I must say So, yes, you're criticizing fans of the game by assuming anyone who doesn't think like you is an "idiot". And the fact that you think you get to define what a fan is would be almost adorable, if it just weren't so sad. Edit to add, you really are an idiot, posting that shit on this forum.
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Post by The Arbiter on May 23, 2017 15:22:05 GMT
No I'm not criticizing the fans at all. WE ARE CRITICIZING EA AND THE CONSUMER BASE calling themselves "fans". This practice of tolerating crap games and then asking for patches after release is the reason why the quality of "AAA" games if they are "AAA" at all are going down hill. If you were hit with my previous comments maybe you are the one who needs help. Like I've said aren't we supposed to be talking of hardcore fans here? if they are truly fans why not buy the books? why not criticize the writing and the bad behavior of buying stuff almost instantly if knowing that back in the reveal shit were already apparent, unless of course they love being fucked in the arse MASS EFFECT ANDROMEDA "A TRUE AAA EXPERIENCE" bollocks. Sir, may we have a patch plzzzz The following statements are your words; - Idiots tolerating shitty releases until a patch - Idiots I must say So, yes, you're criticizing fans of the game by assuming anyone who doesn't think like you is an "idiot". And the fact that you think you get to define what a fan is would be almost adorable, if it just weren't so sad. You just stated what I stated. NO WHERE IN MY ORIGINAL POST DID I DIRECT MY ATTACK TO FANS... AT ALL. it was directed at people who did not listen to the warnings, who tolerates the same crap over and over again like yeah EARLY ACCESS and pre-order which leads to the crap situation now. not all fans pre-orders or tolerates this level of bugs mind you. Look at the Quality of Andromeda is this what MASS EFFECT IS? AN ALPHA GAME TEST? dafuq? if you think I was referring to everyone in that category as "fans" maybe you need to check on yourself. Not all fans tolerates the shitty releases some including me refunded the game because it felt like space engineers level of bull shittery. I gave it a chance... it failed. Then there are those who still tolerate this crap... horrible practice. If it was a flawless release like PREY I would tip my hat to BioWare and gladly drop $$ on DLC. Not anymore... nope no more. Who gives a shit if I post shit? I'm an idiot anyway according to you
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Post by kino on May 23, 2017 15:31:16 GMT
The following statements are your words; - Idiots tolerating shitty releases until a patch - Idiots I must say So, yes, you're criticizing fans of the game by assuming anyone who doesn't think like you is an "idiot". And the fact that you think you get to define what a fan is would be almost adorable, if it just weren't so sad. You just stated what I stated. NO WHERE IN MY ORIGINAL POST DID I DIRECT MY ATTACK TO FANS... AT ALL. it was directed at people who did not listen to the warnings, who tolerates the same crap over and over again like yeah EARLY ACCESS and pre-order which leads to the crap situation now. not all fans pre-orders or tolerates this level of bugs mind you. Look at the Quality of Andromeda is this what MASS EFFECT IS? AN ALPHA GAME TEST? dafuq? if you think I was referring to everyone in that category as "fans" maybe you need to check on yourself. Not all fans tolerates the shitty releases some including me refunded the game because it felt like space engineers level of bull shittery. I gave it a chance... it failed. Then there are those who still tolerate this crap... horrible practice. If it was a flawless release like PREY I would tip my hat to BioWare and gladly drop $$ on DLC. Not anymore... nope no more. Who gives a shit if I post shit? I'm an idiot anyway according to you So, anyone who pre-ordered and enjoyed the game isn't a fan? Anyone who doesn't adhere to your guidelines of what does and does not make for a good game isn't a fan? That's fucking ridiculous. And you only, just now, became an actual idiot by posting a gif that could literally get this forum closed down because you're having a snit. Before this you were just tedious. You know what, we're done. Enjoy whatever it is you enjoy, man.
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