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Post by kumazan on May 10, 2017 23:04:24 GMT
Mass Effect would have been done untile the 2020s even if Andromeda had been widely received as a 11/10 best thing to happen since the smallpox vaccination campaign. Remember Bioware is working in two other games: New IP codename Dylan (lol) and next Dragon Age. So no way to make another Mass Effect right after this one. Exactly, which is why I'll take these "news" with a huge pinch of salt for now.
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Post by colfoley on May 10, 2017 23:04:50 GMT
Honestly this is the problem with the article. The article goes starts with the bold claim that BioWare put ME on hiatus and is downsizing Montreal but then... Uses as its support the simple movement of personell, which happens in the gaming industry all the time. And does not bring up a single quote from EA saying anything to do with a 'hiatus'. Quite the contrary actually. the only two quotes they provided say they are happy with the product and look forward to...moving forward. I know it hurts, but over time you'll find a new game you like - maybe that new CDPR game, or TW4! If the game was a hit, a sequel would be in the works - especially with all the open ended threads in Andromeda. EA is clearly washing their hands of this mess and following the money - which means to send the team onto different, profitable projects. honestly i am expecting that about the game. Given its critical reception and some of the other stuff i wouldn't be the least bit surprised if ea punts...but that is not what the article or what any of their precious sources are stating. And that's not how the business works. At least Bioware. They take things one at a time and don't get ahead of their selves. We don't even know if there is dlc coming for Andromeda or even a DA 4 but there is enough information out there to suggest they are working on both
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Post by xaijin on May 10, 2017 23:06:26 GMT
They lost more than a "few" people.
Luckily for them most of the Build Team transitioned to Edmonton after 3MP, but expecting anything like ME is frankly folly, hence why Dylan is more squarely aimed at being a "social experience" like Warframe or Destiny.
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Post by Melcara on May 10, 2017 23:07:02 GMT
I actually feel kind of guilty now. I critized this game a lot, because it really could have been so much better, but I never wanted it to die. The thought of it never getting any DLCs makes me a bit sad.
Anyway, I hope that article is bullshit.
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Post by tarotmage on May 10, 2017 23:09:47 GMT
Can we get Dutch back? He at least put some effort into his trolling. He's now tending bar at the Vortex.
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Post by obatalaryder on May 10, 2017 23:12:01 GMT
Mass Effect Andromeda is not a bad game.
I don't know why that's hard for the internet to accept.
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Post by colfoley on May 10, 2017 23:12:23 GMT
I actually feel kind of guilty now. I critized this game a lot, because it really could have been so much better, but I never wanted it to die. The thought of it never getting any DLCs makes me a bit sad. Anyway, I hope that article is bullshit. Its bullshit. The game may be on life support but i highly doubt it's dead.
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Post by SofNascimento on May 10, 2017 23:17:03 GMT
Mass Effect Andromeda is not a bad game. As other people would say: that's just your opinion.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 10, 2017 23:18:08 GMT
Ok....this article is crap. First of all they call MEA a 'reboot' it is not a reboot in any way shape or form. At best its a 'soft reboot', but even then it throws out none of previously established canon so it does not count really as that. Second of all, it says quite dramatically 'sources say ME has been put on ice', and Montreal has been downsized, but then the only sources it quotes say that they are happy with Andromeda and just moving around people to deal with other EA projects...which makes sense. Honestly, what the actual hell Kotaku? What EA's CEO said regarding the series was pure PR. He was never going to express disappointment there. You damn right. If I was an investor and heard a less positive spin than this, I would demand answers. I want to see what happened in HR. Who is running PR? Why are employees quitting left and right? Why are leads leaving? Who hired Manveer Heir? Who is responsible for the dog and pony show that didn't show off Andromeda but talked about social justice crap? Who is responsible for not educating these lower-level developers proper workplace etiquette? Those would be my questions and once I got them, I would hold a vote to fire the current CEO because HE FAILED BIOWARE MISERABLY... Then I look at the spreadsheets and see how much profit I made from initial investment and I don't care about Bioware, their employees or the industry in general. I'm heading to Vegas.
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Post by smilesja on May 10, 2017 23:18:20 GMT
Mass Effect Andromeda is not a bad game. As other people would say: that's just your opinion. Well it's definitely not a flop.
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Post by smilesja on May 10, 2017 23:19:24 GMT
I actually feel kind of guilty now. I critized this game a lot, because it really could have been so much better, but I never wanted it to die. The thought of it never getting any DLCs makes me a bit sad. Anyway, I hope that article is bullshit. Its bullshit. The game may be on life support but i highly doubt it's dead. I doubt it's even on life support.
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Post by SofNascimento on May 10, 2017 23:20:39 GMT
As other people would say: that's just your opinion. Well it's definitely not a flop. Tell that to EA. They believe otherwise.
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Post by smilesja on May 10, 2017 23:21:33 GMT
Well it's definitely not a flop. Tell that to EA. They believe otherwise. They seem happy overall.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 10, 2017 23:23:17 GMT
Its bullshit. The game may be on life support but i highly doubt it's dead. I doubt it's even on life support. I doubt that as well. This is kind of a regular thing. It's just that it's overblown because well... it's Bioware. Love or hate Andromeda, people love Bioware. Even it it's not the old Bioware anymore. There is a lot of good in Andromeda and unfortunately, it was released as a commodity instead of being well-polished art. If they had just waited... YouTube and all the unschooled, self-trained journalists that cover the gaming industry wouldn't have much to say because they hounded the visuals and the game-breaking bugs. They're so shallow that they went after the obvious instead of delving into the writing and dialogue. They also took pot shots at Sam Maggs and that... is... absolutely... inexcusable.
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Post by suikoden on May 10, 2017 23:23:38 GMT
That team no longer exists. It was my understanding they lost a few people but the team still exists and has been working on that new IP since ME3 was finished Read the article - Bioware dev responded in it.
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Post by suikoden on May 10, 2017 23:26:38 GMT
Tell that to EA. They believe otherwise. They seem happy overall. Lol yeah they're thrilled! So happy they're shunting staff out of Bioware Montreal to other projects. So happy, they happened to forget to post sales numbers like they did with DA:A. They're really happy.
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Post by The Twilight God on May 10, 2017 23:26:51 GMT
This could probably mean a couple of patches and no DLCs at all. Well I hope people are now happy. Thinking that bitching is going to give you a better product...flash news...It won't. After Deus Ex this is the second franchise I love that is put on halt...while crap like Battlefield, Battlefront and CoD are released every freaking year....damn if it goes like this I won't have anything to play with. If it won't produce a better product what makes you think those people care if they don't release another crappy game? I assume you liked it, but for people who didn't this isn't a problem. The alternative for them would be another lackluster game and the ruination of the series.
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Post by mofojokers on May 10, 2017 23:30:11 GMT
The Know covered the story well and hopefully the new project Dylan is as good as Bioware wants it to be.
They also have no one else to blame but themselves for MEA downfall.
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Post by SofNascimento on May 10, 2017 23:31:56 GMT
It's clear that Bioware decided they could walk over any sort of logic in the trilogy to make Andromeda happen. They wanted a new start so badly that they didn't even try to explain things. Not only the Arks were impossible and illogical for many reasons, but people that we know in the trilogy knew about them but it was never mentioned, even if there were many, many opportunities to do so.
And for what? To create a mediocre, ok-ish game that became a internet joke even before release. To get the franchise to put on hold by EA.
It's sad and funny that I was seeing the very first official trailer again, from E3'15, and remembering how I felt that day. The hope, the excitiment of a new Mass Effect game. And that hope was slowly destroyed long before the game came out. But still, even after 100 hours in the main campaign I still wanted to believe that if I just gave the game more time, if I just tried harder it would be all worth it.
Well, it wasn't. For me, for many, and for EA. A shame to see my favorite, no, by beloved franchise die, ot at least go into a coma, like this.
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Post by SofNascimento on May 10, 2017 23:32:35 GMT
Tell that to EA. They believe otherwise. They seem happy overall. Hahahaha.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 10, 2017 23:34:12 GMT
I like these guys, but they're still on "probation" as far I'm concerned. They pretty much regurgitate other writers stuff and do a little homework to make it appear that's it legitimate. However, thanks to EA, we'll never see anything beyond what EA will show us. The only thing that EA can't stop (even with NDAs) is Glassdoor, LinkedIn, etc. and when you look at those that left after ME3, it became obvious that EA wanted a call-center, production-style environment and the old Bioware replied with a big, fat Drack, "NO."
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I could have sworn I saw a title just like this a few years back.
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Post by setokaiba on May 10, 2017 23:36:57 GMT
This could probably mean a couple of patches and no DLCs at all. Well I hope people are now happy. Thinking that bitching is going to give you a better product...flash news...It won't. After Deus Ex this is the second franchise I love that is put on halt...while crap like Battlefield, Battlefront and CoD are released every freaking year....damn if it goes like this I won't have anything to play with. Nah, EA has been trying to move BW away from RPG games into more streamlined action games they can easily tack MP and micro-transactions onto. A lukewarm reception to MEA just gave them an excuse to speed that up, nothing more. At least I still have Bethesda for RPGs I guess
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 23:37:33 GMT
Judging by what I know about the game, it looks to me like there may have been some downsizing going on during development...
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Post by fygee on May 10, 2017 23:38:59 GMT
Mass Effect Andromeda is not a bad game. I don't know why that's hard for the internet to accept. Because outrage and haterade fuel the internet and get people views on Youtube. The amount of generic "ME:A Sucks" videos on Youtube is staggering. That's not to say there's not a lot of issues, which we're all very well acquainted with and discussed ad nauseum. The loudest gamers on the internet tend to be very binary. Either a game is good, or it's bad. There's very little wiggle room in their minds, and even if it IS good, they're still going to complain about anything that didn't suit their fancy. Anyways, something else to consider is that developing a sequel should be, in theory, cheaper and faster since the foundation has already been created both technically and creatively. There's no reason not to leap forward, even with a smaller team. BioWare is well aware of what butters their bread monetarily, and I don't believe that Mass Effect is going to get shelved because ME:A had a rough launch and a large amount of critcism. The game still sold with good numbers, if not great numbers.
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