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Post by foxhole on May 12, 2017 16:53:34 GMT
Yes they did, but it's just PR damage control. Annnnnd the part where lying to your investors is very, very bad. And saying to investors that MEA is unsuccessful, poorly rated game is worse..
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 16:54:00 GMT
Interestingly, since I've been on these forums a long time (under another account), I've noticed a pattern. People here who like MEA see Kotaku as fake. People here who hate MEA see Kotaku as legit. People who work with or know PR get both sides telling them they're wrong/right Once EA explains things regarding future plans, then I'll decide how I feel.
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Post by smilesja on May 12, 2017 16:54:59 GMT
As people like to say here: "prove it". Companies move people all the time after a game is finished. You don't need a large team for patches and DLC. It's not just EA that does it I recall someone here saying that CDPR had some people pull out after TW3 was complete. Bioware also mentioned on twitter that they'll continue to patch the game and Coras voice actress says that she did still recording lines. So where's your proof that Mass Effect is on hiatus based on the reception? Because all I've seen from EA suggests the opposite.
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Post by bshep on May 12, 2017 17:05:31 GMT
So be a good fish and don't bite while they gut you. Liking your post just because i am tired of doomsayers.
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Post by SofNascimento on May 12, 2017 17:15:20 GMT
As people like to say here: "prove it". Companies move people all the time after a game is finished. You don't need a large team for patches and DLC. It's not just EA that does it I recall someone here saying that CDPR had some people pull out after TW3 was complete. Bioware also mentioned on twitter that they'll continue to patch the game and Coras voice actress says that she did still recording lines. So where's your proof that Mass Effect is on hiatus based on the reception? Because all I've seen from EA suggests the opposite. There were two studios working on ME3 after it was fished. And DAI only "lost" a significant part of its developement team for MEA after it was done with the DLCs. Now I believe we will see at least one DLC. But thats about it. Andromeda is pretty much dead.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 12, 2017 17:34:40 GMT
I'm shocked people still, to this day, believe everything they see on the Internet. It's 2017, I thought people learned their lesson by now.
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Post by linksocarina on May 12, 2017 17:45:18 GMT
Yes I do, hence a retcon. But gender is not the same as sex. There is a difference outside of masculine/feminine sexual traits. It precludes societal roles and social structures, identity and so forth. Gender as that construct is often lumped into meaning biological sex only, but thats not the case. For example, I teach for a living as a college professor. Teaching however is considered a woman's job in a lot of countries, with ironically the exception of higher education, which is classically male dominated. In the real world, the use of gender as a stand-in for sex has been around since the 1980s, but from a scientific and social standpoint, the two are different, because we have cultural bias of a person's role based on their gender. Yes, biological sex is part of that, but again, a person's gender role in a society is often just stereotyped to sex, not actual aptitude and skill in most cases. The Qun, I would argue, would say otherwise, as they would embrace that aptitude and make sure members of their society fit within the specific gender roles they have created. Hence, it one on skill, not biology. I really don't give a fuck how you look at it, i'm again, not trying to change your mind. My point is that the writers included a plausible explanation as to why a character can be considered Aqun-Athlok within the philosophy of the games actual lore. What you consider to be of little sense actually works within the confines of the philosophy, based on a lot of social theory. What you believe is your business, but it doesn't mean your right either. The next Dragon Age game we will probably meet a soldier of the Qun who is Aqun-Athlok, and considers himself to be male because of his role in the Qun, nothing more. Funny how that works, eh? You don't give a fuck how I see it, and I don't give a fuck how you see it.
I mean, I won't go into an argument in regards to the definition of gender Vs. sex, suffice to say that I don't consider "gender studies" to be an actual science considering how heavily politicized the field is, or how very little of it is actually based on empirical evidence. I don't give a fuck about "feelings" or the subjective reality the Tumblrites are living in.
All that said, culturally, I'm a Libertarian. That means that I can offer tolerance, meaning that I don't object to individual rights that don't have a direct effect on me. You can call yourself what you want, marry whoever you want, etc.
However, tolerance doesn't mean acceptance or agreement, not with the pseudo-science that is "gender-identity", nor the whole mess that comes with it such as "pronouns" and so on.
As for the subject matter, at least you agree that this IS a retcon, contrary to some others here, so perhaps you might understand my dislike for it beyond the mere fact that it's a retcon (which is annoying in itself), as this retcon has no real reason to exist unless one feels the need to preach their views on the subject of "gender identity".
As for whatever happens in the next DA game, even if you are right it won't change the fact that this retcon was done in order to preach about a writer's political views, which in turn is the reason for the perception that Bioware are comprised of regressive ideologues that can't stop themselves from preaching. (an exaggeration perhaps, but based on facts)
I understand the dislike. But the reasoning is off, as it's not done to preach anything on a subject. All content in a BioWare game is more or less a-political. What makes it political is us precluding intent. Just like how a game like the Witcher gets flak for being sexist. It's not really sexist at all, but people presume intent based on the content involved. I remember playing GTA IV, and there was a whole mission about gays living in NY being bashed and the character of Niko Belic going on a tirade for a few minutes about "love who you want who gives a fuck" basically being the message. Good moral, but it was pretty much preaching to the audience in that instance. People talk about Krem as being preaching, what people forget is that there is an option to not even discuss Krem's gender in a conversation. If BioWare was truly "preaching" I would argue they would force you to say something, or force a situation where Krem gets discriminated or distraught because of his gender. Here I think we also differ: BioWare has always been somewhat progressive in their content. Keep in mind, progressivism is also not a political ideology, it is social advocacy aimed to "reform" content. BioWare is one of the first to to include same-sex relationships, first to include romance, always attempting to subvert sexual and gender tropes....Krem as an example is a continuation of that. To say they are regressive then would to argue that their entire catalogue has been regressive since Baldur's Gate 2. Hell, he's not even the first transgendered character in the series, but he is the first with a personality though that elevates the character. For all we know, BioWare wanted to include a character that was more dimensional who happened to be transgendered. That's not politics, that's a conscious choice by the writers. Politics would be using the character to preach something like you said, but what is really being preached here? As for the Qun, it still fits the lore regardless of retcon status, and since lore in any form of medium always changes, it's acceptable because it fits with established information, id argue. Anytime folks argue politics in this form it feels disingenuous, as it self-injects personal feelings into what they perceive as an attack. I have to tell my students this all the time, liberal and conservative, that what you feel is irrelevant to what is presented, what is evidenced. Quite frankly, the evidence presented is not a justification to argue a political agenda. At least in Dragon Age in regards to the Qun. A better case can be made with Hainly Abrams, but that's been addressed of course... ETA: Also a point of fact, I wasn't actually talking about gender studies, but rather social theory and psychology on gender roles. Some of that does overlap though, but it is not how I was addressing it.
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Post by suikoden on May 12, 2017 17:48:48 GMT
Another day and still no non-Kotaku sources on this alleged "hiatus". Seems more and more likely that Kotaku decided to make much ado about nothing over Bioware's usual post-release practice and people jumped on the bandwagon. This is what fake news does and we fell for it. If it was fake, Bioware would comment to dispel worries. Andromeda is finished.
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Post by griffith82 on May 12, 2017 17:48:54 GMT
I'm shocked people still, to this day, believe everything they see on the Internet. It's 2017, I thought people learned their lesson by now. Kotoku news wise is as real as Fox News.
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Post by sageoflife on May 12, 2017 17:49:27 GMT
Why are some people so perplexed by the idea that a member of the priest caste knows more about the Qun and how to explain it to outsiders than a member of the soldier caste? It's the whole point of the priest caste.
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Post by sageoflife on May 12, 2017 17:58:14 GMT
Don't look at me. I've been questioning this from the beginning.
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Post by smilesja on May 12, 2017 18:15:40 GMT
This is what fake news does and we fell for it. If it was fake, Bioware would comment to dispel worries. Andromeda is finished. EA commented on it
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Post by smilesja on May 12, 2017 18:18:21 GMT
Companies move people all the time after a game is finished. You don't need a large team for patches and DLC. It's not just EA that does it I recall someone here saying that CDPR had some people pull out after TW3 was complete. Bioware also mentioned on twitter that they'll continue to patch the game and Coras voice actress says that she did still recording lines. So where's your proof that Mass Effect is on hiatus based on the reception? Because all I've seen from EA suggests the opposite. There were two studios working on ME3 after it was fished. And DAI only "lost" a significant part of its developement team for MEA after it was done with the DLCs. Now I believe we will see at least one DLC. But thats about it. Andromeda is pretty much dead. Bioware have two upcoming ips their new one and Dragon Age. EA is still committed at least to the multiplayer part and like I said before you don't need a huge team for DLC
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 12, 2017 18:19:50 GMT
This is what fake news does and we fell for it. If it was fake, Bioware would comment to dispel worries. Andromeda is finished. They did comment to dispel worries. It's even in the silly Kotaku article. Earlier this week on an earnings call, Electronic Arts CEO Andrew Wilson told investors that the publisher is “very happy with how BioWare is doing, how BioWare is treating Mass Effect. And our expectations for Mass Effect are still strong for the future and the franchise overall.”And even Kotaku admits that Andromeda isn't "finished". That doesn’t mean there will never be another Mass Effect game, of course. It’s unlikely that BioWare will kill the popular sci-fi franchise.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on May 12, 2017 18:21:32 GMT
#AlternativeFacts
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Post by suikoden on May 12, 2017 18:25:50 GMT
Bioware made comment about trivial problem, Hainly Abrams, and none about serious Kotaku article. I dont't think that this article is bogus. Earlier this week on an earnings call, Electronic Arts CEO Andrew Wilson told investors that the publisher is “very happy with how BioWare is doing, how BioWare is treating Mass Effect. And our expectations for Mass Effect are still strong for the future and the franchise overall.”From the Kotaku article. So why would they have to say the same thing twice, once before then after the article? Hmm..Maybe because the article would seem to directly contradict the corporate shilling?
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Post by suikoden on May 12, 2017 18:29:10 GMT
If it was fake, Bioware would comment to dispel worries. Andromeda is finished. They did comment to dispel worries. It's even in the silly Kotaku article. Earlier this week on an earnings call, Electronic Arts CEO Andrew Wilson told investors that the publisher is “very happy with how BioWare is doing, how BioWare is treating Mass Effect. And our expectations for Mass Effect are still strong for the future and the franchise overall.”And even Kotaku admits that Andromeda isn't "finished". That doesn’t mean there will never be another Mass Effect game, of course. It’s unlikely that BioWare will kill the popular sci-fi franchise.
linkBut they didn't respond to the article - that was just them doing some corporate legalese-speak. You don't "respond" to something before the fact. Series is most likely done for a long time - they'll need to wait for the stench to go away. Mass Effect is the new Dead Space.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 12, 2017 18:30:50 GMT
Earlier this week on an earnings call, Electronic Arts CEO Andrew Wilson told investors that the publisher is “very happy with how BioWare is doing, how BioWare is treating Mass Effect. And our expectations for Mass Effect are still strong for the future and the franchise overall.”From the Kotaku article. So why would they have to say the same thing twice, once before then after the article? Hmm..Maybe because the article would seem to directly contradict the corporate shilling? Now you're changing the subject. You were complaining about no EA statement. There's a statement, plus Kotaku admitting that Andromeda's not in trouble.
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Post by suikoden on May 12, 2017 18:34:18 GMT
Hmm..Maybe because the article would seem to directly contradict the corporate shilling? Now you're changing the subject. You were complaining about no EA statement. There's a statement, plus Kotaku admitting that Andromeda's not in trouble. No, you're changing the context. You don't respond to something before it occurs. Now is when you respond. But then aagin, the damage is done. EA and Bioware are just going to milk this husk of a game through multiplayer for as long as they can.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 12, 2017 18:34:22 GMT
They did comment to dispel worries. It's even in the silly Kotaku article. Earlier this week on an earnings call, Electronic Arts CEO Andrew Wilson told investors that the publisher is “very happy with how BioWare is doing, how BioWare is treating Mass Effect. And our expectations for Mass Effect are still strong for the future and the franchise overall.”And even Kotaku admits that Andromeda isn't "finished". That doesn’t mean there will never be another Mass Effect game, of course. It’s unlikely that BioWare will kill the popular sci-fi franchise.
linkBut they didn't respond to the article - that was just them doing some corporate legalese-speak. You don't "respond" to something before the fact. Series is most likely done for a long time - they'll need to wait for the stench to go away. Mass Effect is the new Dead Space. Oh, I get it. They have to say... "yes, we really did mean it" now that Kotaku said something. So you can call it "corporate shilling" again.
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Post by colfoley on May 12, 2017 18:37:04 GMT
Faceman, Smilesja, its really unfair that you do all my good work for me. Keep it up.
And more specifically. MEA didn't damage ME. It was damaged long before it even came out. Its amazing how selective people's memories are.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 12, 2017 18:37:16 GMT
Now you're changing the subject. You were complaining about no EA statement. There's a statement, plus Kotaku admitting that Andromeda's not in trouble. No, you're changing the context. You don't respond to something before it occurs. Now is when you respond. But then aagin, the damage is done. EA and Bioware are just going to milk this husk of a game through multiplayer for as long as they can.
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Post by suikoden on May 12, 2017 18:41:46 GMT
No, you're changing the context. You don't respond to something before it occurs. Now is when you respond. But then aagin, the damage is done. EA and Bioware are just going to milk this husk of a game through multiplayer for as long as they can. Enjoy your multiplayer DLC and comicbooks - that's all you're getting.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 12, 2017 18:46:19 GMT
Enjoy your multiplayer DLC and comicbooks - that's all you're getting. And now it's repeating itself.
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Post by LilTIM on May 12, 2017 19:05:47 GMT
Real nice of the mods to delete my thread without a word, here goes what i was posting there
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