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Post by dutchsghost7 on May 13, 2017 5:51:25 GMT
Mass Effect might as well be dead. MEA undersold, sold worse off in its first week retail sales than ME2 or ME3. >inb4 "actual facts"! Nonsense, just because most here bought MEA digital doesn't correlate anyway to the real world market. Digital is becoming more popular for gaming but retail copies are still king. Either way MEA sold like shit which is why EA and Bioware haven't mentioned MEA being a huge success. Fixed it for ya. MEA sold at least close to the projected 3 million in the first week. I know you're just a troll, but come on. Be more creative than spewing debunked information. You probably think vaccines cause autism, too. >facts Autist please. Why don't you provide some sources since im not on here 24/7 and a quick google source says that MEA underperformed.
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Post by zipzap2000 on May 13, 2017 5:58:56 GMT
Listen to yourselves, you're indoctrinated! That sounds like something a synth would say.
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Post by alanc9 on May 13, 2017 7:11:42 GMT
Sure. But "transsexual man" is a subtype of "man." No. It's a separate category for someone "biologically female who identifies as male". There is no such thing as subtype of man. If someone would identify as lizard, that wouldn't make him a subtype of a lizard as well. I was trying to keep the gender binary going, since we got here by discussing the Qun. But yeah, we could also go to a four-gender model if you think that would be more useful. Although if we're going that far we should probably go to six, since we need to slot the non-binary folks in someplace, and I presume you'll want two non-binary categories so we can differentiate them by genitalia. (Unless you'd rather use chromosomes.) Google "XX male." Nobody's saying that biology doesn't exist, of course. You're actually stumbling around the edge of the truth here. Our categories are based on biology, sometimes, but that isn't all they're based on. For a trans man like Krem it's more useful to use the male category; it's applicable to more of the potential interactions with him.
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Post by correctamundo on May 13, 2017 8:41:11 GMT
Fixed it for ya. MEA sold at least close to the projected 3 million in the first week. I know you're just a troll, but come on. Be more creative than spewing debunked information. You probably think vaccines cause autism, too. >facts Autist please. Why don't you provide some sources since im not on here 24/7 and a quick google source says that MEA underperformed. You've been given the facts many times over but as a true troll ignore them because they don't fit in your fantasy world.
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Post by vanillah on May 13, 2017 9:28:55 GMT
Glad BioWare Montreal is scaled down, hope they'll fire lots of people. MEA is utter trash, they will never fix this with patches. Better end Mass effect, fire all the people involved in MEA and move on to something that isn't tainted by MEA's shit.
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Post by sageoflife on May 13, 2017 10:01:00 GMT
So, still no non-Kotaku sources?
Incidentally, people seem to really overestimate how much choice the Aqun-Athlok are given under the Qun.
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Post by linksocarina on May 13, 2017 12:03:42 GMT
I understand the dislike. But the reasoning is off, as it's not done to preach anything on a subject. All content in a BioWare game is more or less a-political. What makes it political is us precluding intent. Just like how a game like the Witcher gets flak for being sexist. It's not really sexist at all, but people presume intent based on the content involved. I remember playing GTA IV, and there was a whole mission about gays living in NY being bashed and the character of Niko Belic going on a tirade for a few minutes about "love who you want who gives a fuck" basically being the message. Good moral, but it was pretty much preaching to the audience in that instance. People talk about Krem as being preaching, what people forget is that there is an option to not even discuss Krem's gender in a conversation. If BioWare was truly "preaching" I would argue they would force you to say something, or force a situation where Krem gets discriminated or distraught because of his gender. Here I think we also differ: BioWare has always been somewhat progressive in their content. Keep in mind, progressivism is also not a political ideology, it is social advocacy aimed to "reform" content. BioWare is one of the first to to include same-sex relationships, first to include romance, always attempting to subvert sexual and gender tropes....Krem as an example is a continuation of that. To say they are regressive then would to argue that their entire catalogue has been regressive since Baldur's Gate 2. Hell, he's not even the first transgendered character in the series, but he is the first with a personality though that elevates the character. For all we know, BioWare wanted to include a character that was more dimensional who happened to be transgendered. That's not politics, that's a conscious choice by the writers. Politics would be using the character to preach something like you said, but what is really being preached here? As for the Qun, it still fits the lore regardless of retcon status, and since lore in any form of medium always changes, it's acceptable because it fits with established information, id argue. Anytime folks argue politics in this form it feels disingenuous, as it self-injects personal feelings into what they perceive as an attack. I have to tell my students this all the time, liberal and conservative, that what you feel is irrelevant to what is presented, what is evidenced. Quite frankly, the evidence presented is not a justification to argue a political agenda. At least in Dragon Age in regards to the Qun. A better case can be made with Hainly Abrams, but that's been addressed of course... ETA: Also a point of fact, I wasn't actually talking about gender studies, but rather social theory and psychology on gender roles. Some of that does overlap though, but it is not how I was addressing it. In short:
We can agree to disagree about BW's intent, personally I've seen enough of their attitude to get a general sense of their intent on these matters.
And progressivism for it's own sake is most definitely an ideology. Especially the regressive aspect of this ideology.
I'm not responding at length because I think that this discussion is better suited for the politics thread, where the constant threat of a lockdown isn't hovering above the discussion.
And like I mentioned when I was called out during the start of this discussion, this topic has nothing to do with the title of this thread. I was intent on presenting an alternative view on the subject rather than letting the thread become an echo chamber - and I did, but I had no desire to completely derail the thread - as I said.
If you are interested, feel free to move the discussion to PM or tag me in the politics thread.
I appreciate the invitation, but I am purposely staying out of that politics thread because it's a rat's nest in a LOT of ways. Plus, this is not really a political discussion in my mind, it's about a video game. As I said I see this as a-political in the end. Still, thanks for the conversation anyway.
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Post by alanc9 on May 13, 2017 15:52:43 GMT
I don't think intent questions can ever go anywhere anyway. With no data they'll always devolve into defending whatever intuition you had at the start. Hell, I'm not even sure "intent" is meaningful for a work designed by multiple people over a period of several years.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on May 13, 2017 16:01:15 GMT
I don't think that this discussion have any sense. People just need to wait. At some point - tomorrow or in september - BioWare will have to announce something - new patch, new DLC, some plans etc That day we will find out how much was worth Kotaku article, but not before. Maybe they really have some sources, or maybe they like sci-fi more than they should. Only time will bring an answer.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 13, 2017 16:06:06 GMT
I don't think that this discussion have any sense. People just need to wait. At some point - tomorrow or in september - BioWare will have to announce something - new patch, new DLC, some plans etc That day we will find out how much was worth Kotaku article, but not before. Maybe they really have some sources, or maybe they like sci-fi more than they should. Only time will bring an answer. I wouldn't doubt we hear something substantial by June. This is their track record. They're pretty consistent about that.
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Post by alanc9 on May 13, 2017 18:36:07 GMT
Incidentally, people seem to really overestimate how much choice the Aqun-Athlok are given under the Qun. Indeed. I think part of the problem is the "identify as" language. I've never liked this usage, because it sounds like a decision, an act of will. That's really got nothing to do with the topic, and it contaminates the discourse.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on May 13, 2017 18:38:57 GMT
I could swear, that until yesterday Mike Gamble have different sign on his twitter account. Now it says "Producer (Mass Effect)". Anyone remember what was there before ?
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Post by brandoftime on May 13, 2017 19:49:50 GMT
And dropping MEA after last patch without any DLC would leave the fans pretty disgusted, not good for business if they want this title to sell at all in the future. Leaving everyone hanging over the Quarian Ark? Not the best way to set up a future fanbase, ruining BW reputation even more.
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Post by savemasseffect on May 13, 2017 22:16:25 GMT
Hi all. First time poster, etc. I've loved the Mass Effect Series for a good long while now. I even didn't have a problem with the ending to 3 (but that's a whole other discussion).
After all the negative feedback on the run up to Andromeda's release, I admit I got a bit nervous, but when it came out, I was relieved. I loved it. I didn't feel let down by it at all. Then this week the rumours about the series being put on hiatus because of its under performance showed up.
I for one (and I know I'm not alone) would be gutted if this is the last we see of Mass Effect for the foreseeable future. Andromeda set up so many interesting story threads, I'd love to see how they pay off.
So... I'm doing my best to start a small social media campaign. I've got a Facebook page, twitter and instagram (just search (SaveMassEffect). The intent is just to get as many likeminded people together and share news stories and let EA and Bioware know that we still care about the series and don't want to see it shelved.
I don't know whether there's much point to it, but figured it'd be worth a try... if you agree, it would be great if you could give them a follow.
Thanks all.
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Post by SpaceBard on May 13, 2017 23:14:59 GMT
I could swear, that until yesterday Mike Gamble have different sign on his twitter account. Now it says "Producer (Mass Effect)". Anyone remember what was there before ? "Producer (Mass Effect)" was always in his tag, I mean some months ago when I start to follow his acount. Maybe for a one moment he changed it.
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Post by smilesja on May 14, 2017 0:42:40 GMT
Glad BioWare Montreal is scaled down, hope they'll fire lots of people. MEA is utter trash, they will never fix this with patches. Better end Mass effect, fire all the people involved in MEA and move on to something that isn't tainted by MEA's shit. It's fake news
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Post by zipzap2000 on May 14, 2017 1:05:57 GMT
So, still no non-Kotaku sources? Incidentally, people seem to really overestimate how much choice the Aqun-Athlok are given under the Qun. If you think the silence from BioWare isn't confirmation and the statement released by Aaryn Flynn isnt confirmation, feel free to ask for a new Half Life game as well. Because thats who you are now, a half life fan. Desperately hoping that its not true and in just one more year theyll release your long awaited follow up to your fav game. Every new game in production will become MEA2 until its in your hand proving otherwise. Every whiff of insider gossip MEA related. Its not like this is homeworlds fanbase, we faded away and then rejoined each other just in time for Relic to get bought up and the games remade. That is where the most hope lies, rebuilding the Milky Way. If they release MEA2 nobody will buy it. Barely anyone bought part 1 and everyone who didnt probably never will. The Andromeda galaxy sucks to the point its cliff hangers can be thrown away and will be. Theres no hope for salvaging its story arcs. *Stares down into the fiery pits* *Raises arms* Abandon all hope ye who enter here. *Sips Ryncol*
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 14, 2017 1:08:03 GMT
I wouldn't mind being a half life fan since Half Life 3 will come out eventually.
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Post by laudable11 on May 14, 2017 1:36:15 GMT
I wouldn't mind being a half life fan since Half Life 3 will come out eventually. Thanks for the laughs, I needed that. You.. you were making a joke right??
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 14, 2017 1:43:59 GMT
I wouldn't mind being a half life fan since Half Life 3 will come out eventually. Thanks for the laughs, I needed that. You.. you were making a joke right?? I was being serious a little. I do believe it will come out eventually. May not be my lifetime, but it will happen.
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Post by elanor on May 14, 2017 17:00:27 GMT
Sooo, still no confirmation or anything from devs or anyone that matters?
It's all shady...
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Post by smilesja on May 14, 2017 17:13:15 GMT
Sooo, still no confirmation or anything from devs or anyone that matters? It's all shady... I doubt you'll hear a direct confirmation from the devs, but it seems every news source is quoting Kotaku.
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Post by sageoflife on May 14, 2017 19:46:30 GMT
Another day and still no non-Kotaku source. Interesting.
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Post by brandoftime on May 14, 2017 19:52:05 GMT
Anyone else hate Kotaku?
Why did all the other sources use just them? No other sources. Also, when looking at EA's earning report just released, the 'left over' sales money is roughly 53 million dollars net. This doesn't include what was sold previous quarter - this would seem to suggest that the sales are pretty good. I imagine that 53 million would have to account for about 1 million units (at $50 per unit) , plus whatever sold that first week alone, which is supposed to be the best time of all. Maybe they have sold near the 3 million they forecasted.
The simple fact is we all just don't know and more info will only come out at E3, if even then.
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Post by smilesja on May 14, 2017 19:54:18 GMT
Anyone else hate Kotaku? Why did all the other sources use just them? No other sources. Also, when looking at EA's earning report just released, the 'left over' sales money is roughly 53 million dollars net. This doesn't include what was sold previous quarter - this would seem to suggest that the sales are pretty good. I imagine that 53 million would have to account for about 1 million units (at $50 per unit) , plus whatever sold that first week alone, which is supposed to be the best time of all. Maybe they have sold near the 3 million they forecasted. The simple fact is we all just don't know and more info will only come out at E3, if even then. It's just lazy journalism in general.
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