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Post by fchopin on May 10, 2017 22:30:29 GMT
So we are not getting a Dragon Age game and we are also not getting a Mass Effect game. Are we getting anything?
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Post by suikoden on May 10, 2017 22:31:23 GMT
Check the date, like seriously check the date. Exactly - check the date. Laidlaw tweeted that March 31st, not April 1st.
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Post by fchopin on May 10, 2017 22:31:25 GMT
So we are not getting a Dragon Age game and we are also not getting a Mass Effect game. Are we getting anything? Lets hope it's an April fools joke.
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Post by ross42899 on May 10, 2017 22:31:57 GMT
Hope we will still get at least one or two DLCs for MEA, so the open questions will be answered (Quarian Ark, Ryder's mom etc.)
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Post by suikoden on May 10, 2017 22:32:40 GMT
So we are not getting a Dragon Age game and we are also not getting a Mass Effect game. Are we getting anything? Lets hope it's an April fools joke. We're getting Dylan:2019 - the first in a new series of yearly "Dylan" games. I think I read somewhere that Madden is doing commentary.
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Post by Vaizer on May 10, 2017 22:33:53 GMT
Honestly, I wouldn't mind. I suggested this after ME3 already. Let it sit for a while, let it rest. THen come back with something new and fresh. Not sure if it makes so much sense to do it now but I don't mind. Also, letting Montreal go back to the support role that they came from is probably a good idea. I haven't seen anything come out of that BW studio that could really hold a candle to what the Edmonton guys used to do. So if this turns out to be true, I'm ok with it. Obviously, if they do downsize and as a result people are being let go, I do hope they'll have no trouble finding jobs elsewhere quickly. I am not saying I want people fired, I am just saying that this team as it was put together for this project, while making a fun game, didn't quite hold up to the standard that I would like to see for future ME games. You're suggesting there would be future ME games. If this article is even 50% true, that means no more ME, ever. So you'd rather have no more ME?
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Post by fchopin on May 10, 2017 22:34:02 GMT
Lets hope it's an April fools joke. We're getting Dylan:2019 - the first in a new series of yearly "Dylan" games. I think I read somewhere that Madden is doing commentary. I have no idea what Dylan is.
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Post by Vaizer on May 10, 2017 22:35:22 GMT
Good to hear. They really need to rethink this series, if after 5 years, Andromeda was the best they could give us. I love Mass Effect, but Bioware are scrubs now, and if the franchise is ever revived, hopefully it'll be by a developer that's actually talented, and has a passion for game development. On a side note, if Bioware's new IP isn't a hit, the company is probably fucked. EA just pushed Biowares new IP to a FY 2019 release
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Post by evhgear on May 10, 2017 22:35:57 GMT
We're getting Dylan:2019 - the first in a new series of yearly "Dylan" games. I think I read somewhere that Madden is doing commentary. I have no idea what Dylan is. ''Dylan'' is the code name for Bioware next project.
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Post by kumazan on May 10, 2017 22:36:09 GMT
We're getting Dylan:2019 - the first in a new series of yearly "Dylan" games. I think I read somewhere that Madden is doing commentary. I have no idea what Dylan is. Dylan is the Secret IP. It's supposed to be similar to Destiny. And we are almost certainly getting Dragon Age, btw.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 10, 2017 22:37:04 GMT
hah. The author changed the title from "Downsized" to "Scaled Down", to indicate no jobs were lost, just moved around. None of which is surprising considering the game is released. Whether the IP is on ice based on that seems a rather weak assumption. If it were on hiatus I would expect EA to decrease head count as a cost cutting measure to support what little revenue a failed launch would bring in. I'm not seeing anything here to support that. Just a reallocation of the work force to support other games in development. I noticed that as well, after reading that I had another idea about what is going on in Montreal and it isn't because of Andromeda as well. During the Investment Call yesterday it was announced that the "New IP" (I think Dylon is its codename) is being pushed to 2019 and since we haven't heard anything about the Dragon Age team being fired into low Earth orbit they are working on something as well which could have a similar release date as well in 2018/2019 (if they have a three year development cycle). They might be looking to hedge bets and delay starting a new Mass Effect game just to put a little space between those titles and not have a new Mass Effect game on top of those two in 2020 (if they go back to a three year development schedule). This! This makes the most sense. EA, again may be as corrupt as the Sith, but they're Sith... meaning they're cunning.
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Post by kino on May 10, 2017 22:37:32 GMT
hah. The author changed the title from "Downsized" to "Scaled Down", to indicate no jobs were lost, just moved around. None of which is surprising considering the game is released. Whether the IP is on ice based on that seems a rather weak assumption. If it were on hiatus I would expect EA to decrease head count as a cost cutting measure to support what little revenue a failed launch would bring in. I'm not seeing anything here to support that. Just a reallocation of the work force to support other games in development. I noticed that as well, after reading that I had another idea about what is going on in Montreal and it isn't because of Andromeda as well. During the Investment Call yesterday it was announced that the "New IP" (I think Dylon is its codename) is being pushed to 2019 and since we haven't heard anything about the Dragon Age team being fired into low Earth orbit they are working on something as well which could have a similar release date as well in 2018/2019 (if they have a three year development cycle). They might be looking to hedge bets and delay starting a new Mass Effect game just to put a little space between those titles and not have a new Mass Effect game on top of those two in 2020 (if they go back to a three year development schedule). A three year development cycle makes sense for BioWare and, typically, is how they handle their game sales. I doubt after the heat they took for DA2 they'll ever do a two year development cycle for a game again...which I think blows, but isn't surprising. The fact that EA is using personnel from BW to support ongoing projects is far less surprising. EA has shown in the past they have no issues shuttering developers who under perform and laying off staff if sales are off. I'm not seeing that here, just a reallocation of personnel. We'll see if a reduction in force occurs in the near future. That would be indicative of a loss in revenue.
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Post by smilesja on May 10, 2017 22:37:52 GMT
Weird, an article based directly on the Kotaku report that, obviously, missed the target on it's original report to the point that the title was changed. Forgive me if I'm not impressed. That's an example of lazy journalism.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 10, 2017 22:38:07 GMT
Lets hope it's an April fools joke. We're getting Dylan:2019 - the first in a new series of yearly "Dylan" games. I think I read somewhere that Madden is doing commentary. ROFL. I got the joke. Yeah, possibly...
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Post by Vaizer on May 10, 2017 22:38:23 GMT
Not surprised. ME-Trilogy is among my all time favorite games, but I have no intention on buying any DLC for ME:A or future games in the series after this latest outing. The game was mediocre at best and who can blame a company for not wanting to produce more of this crap without taking time to assess where they messed up. ME1 was mediocre at best... and now as we look back, the trilogy as a whole was amazing. Try playing ME 1 now and tell me those amazing high quality graphics aren't choppy and glitches still swarm half the game. Too much bitching, not enough appreciating.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on May 10, 2017 22:39:23 GMT
So we are not getting a Dragon Age game and we are also not getting a Mass Effect game. Are we getting anything? Dylan then byebye?
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Post by Vaizer on May 10, 2017 22:39:53 GMT
Ok....this article is crap. First of all they call MEA a 'reboot' it is not a reboot in any way shape or form. At best its a 'soft reboot', but even then it throws out none of previously established canon so it does not count really as that. Second of all, it says quite dramatically 'sources say ME has been put on ice', and Montreal has been downsized, but then the only sources it quotes say that they are happy with Andromeda and just moving around people to deal with other EA projects...which makes sense. Honestly, what the actual hell Kotaku? "Our teams at BioWare and across EA put in tremendous effort bringing Mass Effect Andromeda to players around the world. Even as BioWare continues to focus on the Mass Effect Andromeda community and live service, we are constantly looking at how we’re prepared for the next experiences we will create. The teams in EA Worldwide Studios are packed with talent, and more than ever, we are driving collaboration between studios on key projects. With our BioWare and Motive teams sharing studio space in Montreal, we have BioWare team members joining Motive projects that are underway. We’re also ramping up teams on other BioWare projects in development. There will be much more to come from BioWare in the years ahead." To me that sounds an awful lot like "we tried real hard, but fucked up. The game hasn't sold well, and a better use of our resources is other Bioware projects" If the game sold well, work on a sequel would be ongoing. It's clearly not. Personally, this feels good. Drink it in, maaaaaannnn. It's gonna be a long time till we get another Mass Effect game - and by then, hopefully Bioware will have got their shit together. Or, as your name glorifies, they make like Konami and break up the Bioware team and we never get the game again. Let that sink in.
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Post by Melcara on May 10, 2017 22:41:14 GMT
"It's not a thing until it's a thing" sounds to me like "It's not worth talking about before it's been announced". Of course, that could be just me in denial, but honestly, Inquisition not having a sequel in the works, considering how much money it made, would be downright appalling. Not to mention all those teasing tweets.
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Post by RoboticWater on May 10, 2017 22:42:00 GMT
This is for the best. BioWare had a chance to reinvigorate the franchise with a fresh start, yet only managed to run it further into the ground. I think they need some quiet time to rethink their creative direction. Or maybe they can let the series rest.
In the mean time, BioWare Edmonton can put out their new IP, and we can see if BioWare are truly rotten at the roots or just overburdened by legacy. They really need to rack up a win, so let's hope BioWare can still be as innovative as they used to be.
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Post by Vaizer on May 10, 2017 22:43:26 GMT
Maybe it's for the better. Honestly, looking back at MEA I can't help but think it was made by a team that just wasn't up to the task, not in the slightest. The level of writing talent and creative vision was significantly below what people expect from this IP. Moreover I'm kindda ready for a new Bioware IP. If they don't have the talent to make Mass Effect properly then don't do it at all and focus on something else. From what I've read about Dylan I'm pretty hyped. You'll be waiting longer, they pushed it another 6 months
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Post by ShadowAngel on May 10, 2017 22:45:02 GMT
Not really dominating gaming news, which is why I don't know whether to really believe it or not. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if they put the franchise on a hiatus due to under performing, but bioware has also downsized studios and moved them into other projects in the past as well. It's really a need more info situation if you ask me.
I'll bite and speculate: let's say they are doing this because it underperformed, it would be best to put future games on hold as quite honestly, andromeda is the most boring mass effect game, and I've already stated in the past it's the first one I can't replay cause it lacks replay value. It's a fun one and done game but it's not great. You also have to take into consideration critically, the game was a bust. It's why it's funny people would blame "trolls" as to why this is happening, are you in that much denial to fail to realize that universally the game didn't appeal to a large ass chunk of people? Are people "trolls" for simply disliking the game and criticizing it? I'm sorry, but there's no way you can blame the fans due to a developer slacking off on a game, it's as asanine and it doesn't change the fact that the game failed critically. This also lends support to why EA skipped andromedas sales earnings in their quarterly meeting, they're not going to openly admit their game sold less than expected as that's a red flag to buyers and investors.
Now let's go with the other speculation that they're merely moving people to help on other projects: it's been done before, andromeda even has some articles on other bioware studios helping Montreal out. Odds are the main focus will be on current projects first, and then moving onto the next one after the current one is completed. I'd say DA4 and the new ip are the main focus and it makes sense to down size Montreal to other studios as the next sequel to andromeda would be in pre-development for the next year or so if they were to make another ME game.
All in all: I don't think there's enough info to really prove that Montreal was shrunk and ME is put on hold due to andromeda, I can believe it and I can also believe them simply focusing on other projects first. There needs to be more concrete data before assuming andromedas reception is why future games are put on hold, as it's really just speculation and rumors at this point. I definitely can see them cutting down Montreal because of how green and inexperienced they are, moving them around can potentially get them more experience from other projects.
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Post by fygee on May 10, 2017 22:45:29 GMT
Repeating what I said in the Twitter thread.
If EA/Bioware are smart, they'll jump headfirst into the sequel and make it the top notch, AAA polished experience that Andromeda should have been, and get it out within two to three years. Skip nonsense that takes up a bunch of unnecessary development time, like they tried to do with Andromeda in having randomly instanced worlds (and failed), and focus on the main crux of the story and gameplay. Work on the gravy after you've perfected the mashed potatoes.
Nothing fixes a franchise like a superior sequel that serves as a palette cleanser.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 10, 2017 22:47:47 GMT
Not really dominating gaming news, which is why I don't know whether to really believe it or not. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if they put the franchise on a hiatus due to under performing, but bioware has also downsized studios and moved them into other projects in the past as well. It's really a need more info situation if you ask me. I'll bite and speculate: let's say they are doing this because it underperformed, it would be best to put future games on hold as quite honestly, andromeda is the most boring mass effect game, and I've already stated in the past it's the first one I can't replay cause it lacks replay value. It's a fun one and done game but it's not great. You also have to take into consideration critically, the game was a bust. It's why it's funny people would blame "trolls" as to why this is happening, are you in that much denial to fail to realize that universally the game didn't appeal to a large ass chunk of people? Are people "trolls" for simply disliking the game and criticizing it? I'm sorry, but there's no way you can blame the fans due to a developer slacking off on a game, it's as asanine and it doesn't change the fact that the game failed critically. This also lends support to why EA skipped andromedas sales earnings in their quarterly meeting, they're not going to openly admit their game sold less than expected as that's a red flag to buyers and investors. Now let's go with the other speculation that they're merely moving people to help on other projects: it's been done before, andromeda even has some articles on other bioware studios helping Montreal out. Odds are the main focus will be on current projects first, and then moving onto the next one after the current one is completed. I'd say DA4 and the new ip are the main focus and it makes sense to down size Montreal to other studios as the next sequel to andromeda would be in pre-development for the next year or so if they were to make another ME game. All in all: I don't think there's enough info to really prove that Montreal was shrunk and ME is put on hold due to andromeda, I can believe it and I can also believe them simply focusing on other projects first. There needs to be more concrete data before assuming andromedas reception is why future games are put on hold, as it's really just speculation and rumors at this point. I definitely can see them cutting down Montreal because of how green and inexperienced they are, moving them around can potentially get them more experience from other projects. There were no layoffs from what my nephew is telling me right now. People were given new assignments. Whether they take it or not, is up to them. Well done Kotaku. Proving that speculation and crappy reporting does more to generate revenue than actually stating hard facts.
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Post by Debaser on May 10, 2017 22:48:21 GMT
Andromeda will still probably get DLC I wouldn't worry about that, but I'm not optimistic that a sequel is planned. I did two playthroughs and spent 100+ hours on it counting multiplayer and it was an okay game, but I have almost no excitement about when I think about it or talk about it to friends. It's just an okay game that happens to have a ton of Mass Effect nostalgia painted onto it. There's nothing wrong with that I got my 60$ worth, but if Andromeda is a sneak peek into the future of Mass Effect I won't really miss it if it is over, nor will I be all that excited for the next installment.
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