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Post by R'Shara on May 15, 2017 15:19:10 GMT
So you did this!!!! Absolutely.
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Post by LightningPoodle on May 15, 2017 15:23:57 GMT
This is BioWares fault. They failed to deliver a good ending which gave everyone a sour taste, and then they hired people with little to no experience in game design to work on a AAA game. This is BioWares fault.
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Post by Iakus on May 15, 2017 15:24:45 GMT
It's a good thing I'm high. I can't believe 13 people voted for SJWs. You have no idea the power of the dark side. EA, Enthusiasm Annihilated. Don't you know that everything you don't agree with is because of SJWs? Duh. I thought everything we don't agree with is because of GamerGaters?
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Post by SofNascimento on May 15, 2017 15:42:41 GMT
So you did this!!!! ... But let's blame people for this game's failure!
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Post by Heimdall on May 15, 2017 16:10:03 GMT
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Post by yan on May 15, 2017 16:15:50 GMT
I wonder if the end of ME3 had been different (or equal, but accepted by the majority), would Andromeda still be the continuation we would have?
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Post by griffith82 on May 15, 2017 17:26:26 GMT
🤦♂️ Every game since early 2000 has similar issues. It is very common that patches will fix issues but also create or bring others to light and it is not a simple thing to test as it would require playing through the entire game for each patch.
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Post by auu on May 15, 2017 17:27:56 GMT
Everyone except intolerant fans. Fans are tolerant, but if the quality isn't there, they'll be vocal about it.
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Post by auu on May 15, 2017 17:31:36 GMT
That's the take away on all this. The internet has enabled power shifts unimaginable years earlier. 50 years ago if you were mad about the ending to 'Gone with the Wind', tough shit, the author would not have re written the story for fans sake. Now the internet enables a small group of less than stable individuals to bully developers/ artists and I'm not surprised they have burned out. The game is probably better than it could have been, considering the crap that started 5 years ago and just never let up. Whether the team was up to the task or not is speculation, but a lot of talent walked away from Bioware over the last few years and that's probably part if not most of the reason the game is in the hackneyed state it's in. The miracle is that it's as fun to play as it is. I enjoyed it for all its flaws and hope to see at least 1 DLC before they shut it down for a decade. But 50 years ago you didn't have mega-corportations focus testing the shit out of stories or art. Well...not as much. I say tough vocal fans are a result of corporations trying too hard for that extra buck. Instead of doing a few things great, products(games) try to do too many things, resulting in too many things that are just mediocre. That's Andromeda. Mediocre.
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Post by R'Shara on May 15, 2017 17:38:41 GMT
🤦♂️ Every game since early 2000 has similar issues. It is very common that patches will fix issues but also create or bring others to light and it is not a simple thing to test as it would require playing through the entire game for each patch. The fact that it's common doesn't mean it's good or acceptable. And I'm fully aware of how much time goes into fully testing a game. It takes 2 of us 2-3 weeks for our product, which has about a million different options. Extract to Tempest is a basic function that should be tested every time, witch existing and new games. When I'm testing our product, I have to test the critical functions every single time. Just making sure all types of payments work is about a 200 step process that takes 2-3 days, and is less than 25% of the product. Testing a major new fix or feature (like I'm doing right now) can take weeks (I've sent this baby back 5 times and its fix list is over 50 items). But that's because there's only 2 of us for the entire product. Assuming BW has at least 5-10 QA testers, it shouldn't take nearly as long, and be much more thorough.
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Post by maximusarael020 on May 15, 2017 17:41:56 GMT
So you did this!!!! It's a sawed-off. What's the bid deal?
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Post by ShadowAngel on May 15, 2017 17:45:53 GMT
🤦♂️ Every game since early 2000 has similar issues. It is very common that patches will fix issues but also create or bring others to light and it is not a simple thing to test as it would require playing through the entire game for each patch. Isn't this 2017? Why are we still getting issues from the early 2000s? smh
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Post by R'Shara on May 15, 2017 17:48:00 GMT
I mean seriously, why is "Test all default keybindings on new and existing games" not on their regression list?
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Post by griffith82 on May 15, 2017 18:10:56 GMT
🤦♂️ Every game since early 2000 has similar issues. It is very common that patches will fix issues but also create or bring others to light and it is not a simple thing to test as it would require playing through the entire game for each patch. Isn't this 2017? Why are we still getting issues from the early 2000s? smh 🤦♂️ My point is that since games went online and patchable this is common. Patches can cause other issues then and now.
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Post by R'Shara on May 15, 2017 18:18:27 GMT
Isn't this 2017? Why are we still getting issues from the early 2000s? smh 🤦♂️ My point is that since games went online and patchable this is common. Patches can cause other issues then and now. It shouldn't be, and accepting that it is common is part of the problem.
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Post by ShadowAngel on May 15, 2017 18:26:55 GMT
Isn't this 2017? Why are we still getting issues from the early 2000s? smh 🤦♂️ My point is that since games went online and patchable this is common. Patches can cause other issues then and now. I know exactly what your point is and I'm well aware bugs are normal and unavoidable, I even know patching can cause coding to break and result in more bugs. my point was bugs from 17+ years(doesn't even need to be 17 years, I'd make the case for previous games in just a few years time) ago shouldn't be cropping up when devs have better technology and previous experience with said bugs (such as the banter bug, kudos for them fixing it in a much faster manner this time). My other point was what was an issue then still shouldn't be acceptable now, it being an issue with other games means nothing to me as this game isn't those other games people reference to. Kind of why I repeat myself on saying "will 2025 games be given a pass just cause 2010 game has the same issue?" Devs won't be actively trying to remove bugs or even prevent them if that's the mindset people will carry with them, instead the trend of launching buggy games will just continue. Honestly, those early 2000s games play much nicer than these newer ones when it comes to bugs, probably because people didn't have to rely on patches at the time cuz devs tried launching games in a fit state
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Post by R'Shara on May 15, 2017 18:37:54 GMT
In other words, we shouldn't be paying to be beta testers.
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Post by griffith82 on May 15, 2017 19:22:58 GMT
In other words, we shouldn't be paying to be beta testers. I agree with you as I've played games like that I just don't think this is one of them.
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Post by R'Shara on May 15, 2017 19:33:46 GMT
In other words, we shouldn't be paying to be beta testers. I agree with you as I've played games like that I just don't think this is one of them. Depends on the issues you've had. I've had dozens. I sure feel like a beta tester.
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Post by qwib on May 15, 2017 20:07:16 GMT
🤦♂️ My point is that since games went online and patchable this is common. Patches can cause other issues then and now. It shouldn't be, and accepting that it is common is part of the problem. In an ideal world yes. In reality we have WannaCry.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 20:15:12 GMT
I think that overall, the approach to beta-testing and game release needs to change due to the massive differences in the set-ups the games are made for. IMO, to work for masses, it needs to be tested out on the masses.
I was looking at a game this past fall, and what they were doing was a paid early access closed beta test for a few months. The game itself was junk, but the approach was sound imo.
The rolled out a few builds, and the feedback went into a closed forum, and anyone who wanted to play the game early, and was ready to deal with bugs could get in. It was also paid, so made you actually feel like playing (since you did pay for it). Extra incentive for reporting the bugs such as random draws help as well, because such is human nature that people are very, very vocal once it is not beta & you've paid for it, but by some reason won't report anything if it is a closed test or are not as critical when it's not a public show-off.
a closed format also helps with dealing with the most damaging issues before it hits the reddit and the likes.
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Post by R'Shara on May 15, 2017 20:19:09 GMT
Well it's a "Get what was advertised" thing. If you pay money knowing ahead of time, that it's a beta and is going to be bug riddled, and are okay with it anyway, that's good on you. But paying for what's supposed to be a finished game, but is really a late-beta, stinks of bait-and-switch.
Beta testers also generally get extras for beta testing the game (other than getting to play early), such as extra items or extra story or a character named after them, or some such.
I actually did that for GalCiv 3. I paid a bit extra, got early access, all future dlc and a star named whatever I want (within reason).
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Post by griffith82 on May 15, 2017 20:19:29 GMT
Well the world is definitely in trouble. Now IGN is sourcing Kotoku as fact. The end is nigh.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 20:25:55 GMT
Well it's a "Get what was advertised" thing. If you pay money knowing ahead of time, that it's a beta and is going to be bug riddled, and are okay with it anyway, that's good on you. But paying for what's supposed to be a finished game, but is really a late-beta, stinks of bait-and-switch. Beta testers also generally get extras for beta testing the game (other than getting to play early), such as extra items or extra story or a character named after them, or some such. I actually did that for GalCiv 3. I paid a bit extra, got early access, all future dlc and a star named whatever I want (within reason). That's my point exactly. This approach might eventually become more popular, because limited closed beta are not really exhaustive. For now, though, yes, I was much more surprised that my first run through the game was virtually bug-free, than by needing to wait for hotfixes and patches once in a while in the few months after release, and expecting a hotfix to follow up every major patch.
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