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Post by mordingrimes on May 14, 2017 0:57:50 GMT
I say EVERYONE. (i) EA at the most by providing shitty deadlines, providing the responsibility of such a huge IP to an inexperienced team (BW Montréal) and outsourcing various animations to smaller companies. (ii) BioWare since they had 5 FuKIN YEARS to deliver a fresh new experience and yet they didn't deliver upto the expectations of the Mass Effect series. (iii) Intolerant Fans who would crucify BioWare for the slightest mistake ever since Mass Effect 3's ending. (iv) SJWs are one of the worst, wouldn't say the entirety of BioWare worships them but guys like Manveer Heir at the office definitely influenced a lot. (v) Most Haters who haven't even played the game but is already prepared to put MEA and BioWare on guillotine for no reason since it's a 2017 gaming trend. 1) EA is a business and their only goal is to make money. 2) BioWare IMHO did make a GREAT game. It's a game that deserved better fans. 3 and 5) Intolerant Fans and haters are the ones that I blame people whiny entitled crybabies who bitched and moaned at everything because MEA wasn't The Witcher 3 is space and wouldn't and still won't shut up about the endings to ME3 and people who haven't played a BioWare who just bash it for clicks/views and have little or nothing to say about it. 4) I think Heir's "influence" is overblown and he is NOT SJW. All he is just attention seeker media whore. We have a comedian here How dare fans not be happy with a broken/bug filled, poor story with poor characters in a boring open world game.
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Post by Cyberstrike on May 14, 2017 1:08:33 GMT
If anyone has seen me post before, they know I'm a big fan of this game. However, this post, in my opinion, is going to take a critical look that will be as objective as I can. That being say, there is blame to be shared by everyone I'd say, but one party stands out far more than others.. Bioware launched an unfinished product that should have stayed in development for at least several more months. If reports are true that they outsourced the animations of characters, they, as a professional game developer with many AAA and highly rated titles under their belt, had the responsibility to play-test and ensure everything was running smoothly. Bugs and glitches in games are, sadly, just a part of the gaming industry. However, the amount of bugs reported by Andromeda, many of which I didn't experience myself but don't doubt they existed, should not occur. The animations should NEVER have been shipped pre-patch 1.05. Again, I had the benefit of not picking up the title until the day that patched was released. They launched an incomplete, buggy product. That's where mass criticism has come in and hurt this game's launch and that lays on their door step. EA, as the parent company, also plays a part in this as well. Their unrealistic timetables and high pressure, as well as taking away creative freedom of their developers seems to stifle growth and innovation. Their focus on streamlined, "simple" games that are churned out like clockwork with heavy focus on multiplayer components has not done the industry any favors. I don't work for either company, but if reports I've read online (we know how reliable they can be) EA can be a nightmare to work for. Bottom line - they care about money. Not fans. Not good stories. Not even good games. They care how many copies they can push. They are certainly to blame. Haters are absolutely part of the problem. The amount of people that have bashed this game everywhere from Facebook, to gaming article comments to blogs to.. frankly, everywhere and have NOT EVEN PLAYED THE GAME is astonishing. Many of these people either jumped on the bandwagon of hate or they are simply bitter still over the ME3 endings and quick to jump on anything that hates Mass Effect. There are plenty of people who enjoy the game, myself included, who are drowned out by the people who scream from the roof tops that they hate the game, many of whom only watched a video on Youtube or saw a meme. However, all that being said, there wouldn't be a negative pushback, even by the mass of haters out there, for no reason if the game was solid at launch. Despite my love for this title, I must say that the blame for ME being put on the shelf, if the reports are true, can't be placed anywhere other than the developer who created it. EA's crunch time might be overkill. Maybe they gave no quarter to Bioware for extra time to fix the problems. However, Bioware dropped the ball with the release of a buggy, poorly animated game to people both overly hyped for the game and eager for any scrape to see them fail. Unfortunately, I have to be objective. The initial launch was awful. I don't think pushback would have been nearly as bad if the game had launched with patch 1.05 to fix the animations... or even if they had just animated the game in-house... or even CHECKED to see if it was properly animated. However, that's in the past. They launched it like they did and the blame for that falls at their feet. This is that shit I do like. Objective analysis from someone who identifies as a big fan. This next bit isn't aimed at anyone in particular, it's just a short soapbox/rant thing. A lot of the time, I see people intentionally overlook or straight-up deny the flaws that are a part of something they like, and that is a big mistake. They seem to conflate being a fan of something with blind adoration for that thing, and I don't think I need to explain why this is bad. The truth of the matter is that everything in life has flaws, no matter how much you like it, and pretending that those flaws either don't matter or don't exist is disingenuous, and in some cases will only serve to discredit you. It's okay to like something no matter how flawed it is, and likewise it's okay to admit that something you like has glaring issues. You like what you like, and you don't need to attempt to excuse away the problems that said thing has, no matter how big or small they are. If anything, being able to identify and discuss the issues from an objective viewpoint while still liking/loving the product is an excellent measure of character. First off there is no such thing as 100% objective review on anything. At best maybe 50% is how anyone can look at anything objective and that is if the reviewer has little or no knowledge on a subject. Second: I found a lot of the criticisms over the animation bugs EXTREMELY overblown almost laughably so. "The animations suck, the animations suck, the animations suck" when again IN MY OPINION and EXPERIENCE with MEA that wasn't simply case I thought they were good, but not great. I found the animations before patch 1.05 to be on par with most AAA and in some cases even better than most. Again I blame extremely unrealistic fan exceptions wanting something that BioWare has NEVER been that great at which is animations. I think the animations of MEA are better than the MET. Third: How many people just whine and bitch about the animations and the bugs of which they're were many but just like every other major AAA game (including The Witcher 3) that were released with more problems but give them a free pass. Hell I wouldn't even say EA is the worst publisher I would say WB Interactive is the worst publisher and developer. Batman: Arkham Origins and Batman: Arkham Knight were broken pieces of shit and WBI was more focused on DLC than fixing them the latter was so broken that it had to be pulled from Steam because it was so broken and even it was "fixed" by all accounts the damn thing barely ran on PC without crashing every 2 minutes and the console versions barely ran but because WBI released The Witcher 3 in the US, then all sins that WBI did for other games that they made are forgiven even though at launch it was buggy as hell and crashed a lot according to most reviewers. Yeah I know TW3 was made by different company.
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Post by Cyberstrike on May 14, 2017 1:14:09 GMT
1) EA is a business and their only goal is to make money. 2) BioWare IMHO did make a GREAT game. It's a game that deserved better fans. 3 and 5) Intolerant Fans and haters are the ones that I blame people whiny entitled crybabies who bitched and moaned at everything because MEA wasn't The Witcher 3 is space and wouldn't and still won't shut up about the endings to ME3 and people who haven't played a BioWare who just bash it for clicks/views and have little or nothing to say about it. 4) I think Heir's "influence" is overblown and he is NOT SJW. All he is just attention seeker media whore. We have a comedian here How dare fans not be happy with a broken/bug filled, poor story with poor characters in a boring open world game. I'm dead serious. I've found half of the BioWare "fans" in general to be a horrible and miserable group of people. I don't care about them or their feelings one damn bit. With ME:A I found it a fun and enjoyable game with great characters, beautiful worlds, and good story. The bugs never bothered me.
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Post by decafhigh on May 14, 2017 3:14:45 GMT
Second: I found a lot of the criticisms over the animation bugs EXTREMELY overblown almost laughably so. "The animations suck, the animations suck, the animations suck" when again IN MY OPINION and EXPERIENCE with MEA that wasn't simply case I thought they were good, but not great. I found the animations before patch 1.05 to be on par with most AAA and in some cases even better than most. Okay, your tone there is very serious so I don't think you are joking, but I mean come on now. Even the most die hard MEA fan can't actually think that can they? I could post enough examples to make the page unloadable but I'll just leave this vid instead, it covers most of it. I don't think the game is shit or anything, but no one can seriously deny all the animation problems this game shipped with. It was laughably bad and BW deserved every scrap of blow back they got over it.
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Post by The Twilight God on May 14, 2017 3:28:09 GMT
So it's DICE's fault too? DICE? Aren't they a separate division? EA is something between a parent company to management for Bioware as far as I understand.
But in the end, I think that the question is more or less irrelevant (for the consumers at least). It's rather hard to answer this question accurately without knowing the exact process, and throwing blame isn't going to change ME:A.
IF EA and Bioware are one entity. Then EA and DICE are one entity. Therefore Bioware and DICE are one entity.
This isn't about changing MEA. Bioware Montreal had 5 years and 40 million dollars to make a game. More than enough time. They had the same budget as ME3, which took 2 years. The same amount of time it took to release ME2&3 COMBINED. And despite 5 years the game is still a rushed. That's incompetence.
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Post by MattMan031 on May 14, 2017 3:36:39 GMT
We have a comedian here How dare fans not be happy with a broken/bug filled, poor story with poor characters in a boring open world game. I'm dead serious. I've found half of the BioWare "fans" in general to be a horrible and miserable group of people. I don't care about them or their feelings one damn bit. With ME:A I found it a fun and enjoyable game with great characters, beautiful worlds, and good story. The bugs never bothered me. I agree! How dare those bastards not like something you enjoyed! That's really inconsiderate.
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Post by rapscallioness on May 14, 2017 3:38:04 GMT
The only reason I think there may be something to this hiatus story is because I don't recall BW ever making an announcement like this. I mean, usually they finish the game, get quiet, put out some patches, get to work on dlc. Yeah, they switch people around, too, help with other games. But I don't remember them ever coming out and saying they were taking an hiatus. Why would they even need to say that if it was business as usual?
It may have nothing all that much to do with MEA itself, and may be more about EA wanting more people and resources going towards this Dylan thing, and ofc star wars because star wars. Hell, they might not be too keen on any space sci-fi genre competition with star wars.
Although, this Dylan thing..what is it? It's supposed to be some Destiny-esque/Division-esque sci-fi? "MMO-ish"? Wtf is this shite? They pushed it back, and I'm like I don't even know what the heck you're pushing back. Are you making a game?
Come to think of it, some blame should certainly be placed on the marketing of MEA. It was pretty shite marketing.
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Post by blueasari on May 14, 2017 3:43:28 GMT
Second: I found a lot of the criticisms over the animation bugs EXTREMELY overblown almost laughably so. "The animations suck, the animations suck, the animations suck" when again IN MY OPINION and EXPERIENCE with MEA that wasn't simply case I thought they were good, but not great. I found the animations before patch 1.05 to be on par with most AAA and in some cases even better than most. Okay, your tone there is very serious so I don't think you are joking, but I mean come on now. Even the most die hard MEA fan can't actually think that can they? I could post enough examples to make the page unloadable but I'll just leave this vid instead, it covers most of it. I don't think the game is shit or anything, but no one can seriously deny all the animation problems this game shipped with. It was laughably bad and BW deserved every scrap of blow back they got over it. First time I watched that video, not sure how any one can defend that.
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Post by R'Shara on May 14, 2017 4:14:16 GMT
The number of people who have experienced game breaking bugs, and the number of game breaking bugs in this game experienced by just me, dwarfs any other RPG I've ever played. And I'm still playing GC3, which is as bug riddled as a termite farm (but the difference is the bugs can be fixed by the very easy modding of clearly laid out files).
The animations, I don't really care about. They're pretty questionable, sure, but I don't really care about them. I care about GAMEPLAY BUGS and obvious polishing issues. To blame fans that criticize this game for any presumed hiatus is ridiculous. If the game had been majority stable, there wouldn't be 150 pages of unaddressed bugs on EA's website alone.
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Post by maximusarael020 on May 14, 2017 4:22:55 GMT
The only reason I think there may be something to this hiatus story is because I don't recall BW ever making an announcement like this. I mean, usually they finish the game, get quiet, put out some patches, get to work on dlc. Yeah, they switch people around, too, help with other games. But I don't remember them ever coming out and saying they were taking an hiatus. Why would they even need to say that if it was business as usual? It may have nothing all that much to do with MEA itself, and may be more about EA wanting more people and resources going towards this Dylan thing, and ofc star wars because star wars. Hell, they might not be too keen on any space sci-fi genre competition with star wars. Although, this Dylan thing..what is it? It's supposed to be some Destiny-esque/Division-esque sci-fi? "MMO-ish"? Wtf is this shite? They pushed it back, and I'm like I don't even know what the heck you're pushing back. Are you making a game? Come to think of it, some blame should certainly be placed on the marketing of MEA. It was pretty shite marketing. Bioware has not said they are on hiatus. EA has not said that either. That's rumors spread by Kotaku with unnamed and unconfirmed sources.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 14, 2017 4:51:50 GMT
It's a good thing I'm high. I can't believe 13 people voted for SJWs.
You have no idea the power of the dark side. EA, Enthusiasm Annihilated.
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Post by rapscallioness on May 14, 2017 4:54:47 GMT
The only reason I think there may be something to this hiatus story is because I don't recall BW ever making an announcement like this. I mean, usually they finish the game, get quiet, put out some patches, get to work on dlc. Yeah, they switch people around, too, help with other games. But I don't remember them ever coming out and saying they were taking an hiatus. Why would they even need to say that if it was business as usual? It may have nothing all that much to do with MEA itself, and may be more about EA wanting more people and resources going towards this Dylan thing, and ofc star wars because star wars. Hell, they might not be too keen on any space sci-fi genre competition with star wars. Although, this Dylan thing..what is it? It's supposed to be some Destiny-esque/Division-esque sci-fi? "MMO-ish"? Wtf is this shite? They pushed it back, and I'm like I don't even know what the heck you're pushing back. Are you making a game? Come to think of it, some blame should certainly be placed on the marketing of MEA. It was pretty shite marketing. Bioware has not said they are on hiatus. EA has not said that either. That's rumors spread by Kotaku with unnamed and unconfirmed sources. EA/BW has not used the word "hiatus", but they did come out explaining that they're still going to be supporting live service and community (read MP) and patches for MEA. However, they're going to be looking at how they're prepared for the next experiences they create. Then they go on to explain where the crew is going, and promote the Dylan thing. They don't ever do that. Not to my recollection. They never talk like that and explain all that. It sounds like PR speak for they're putting it on hiatus. Thing is, they always go into downtime and move people around after a game. Downtime being patches and dlc work. And people move to other games. But they don;t ever make formal statements about it.
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Post by maximusarael020 on May 14, 2017 5:02:44 GMT
Bioware has not said they are on hiatus. EA has not said that either. That's rumors spread by Kotaku with unnamed and unconfirmed sources. EA/BW has not used the word "hiatus", but they did come out explaining that they're still going to be supporting live service and community (read MP) and patches for MEA. However, they're going to be looking at how they're prepared for the next experiences they create. Then they go on to explain where the crew is going, and promote the Dylan thing. They don't ever do that. Not to my recollection. They never talk like that and explain all that. It sounds like PR speak for they're putting it on hiatus. Thing is, they always go into downtime and move people around after a game. Downtime being patches and dlc work. And people move to other games. But they don;t ever make formal statements about it. Do you read many EA earnings reports? That's where it came from. The only reason it's newsworthy was because of the Kotaku article. They didn't "announce" it to everyone. They announced it to investors, which they do every year. It wasn't a press release.
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Post by R'Shara on May 14, 2017 5:18:23 GMT
It's a good thing I'm high. I can't believe 13 people voted for SJWs. You have no idea the power of the dark side. EA, Enthusiasm Annihilated. Don't you know that everything you don't agree with is because of SJWs? Duh.
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Post by rapscallioness on May 14, 2017 5:20:54 GMT
@maximusareal20 I don't read their earnings reports, but we do hear and read about the statements made to the investor's every year. I don't recall them ever saying something like this about a game they just released. It would have stood out, just as it's standing out now, if they had said this about any other game they've released. They're going to continue to support MP, but they're moving on. Or it sounds like it from their own words, not Kotaku's words.
Forget Kotaku, judging from EA's statements to their investor's, it still sounds like they're putting MEA on ice a little bit. EA wants to focus on these other IP's, and need all the help they can get.
I don't think it's the end of the franchise, though. However, DLC for MEA may be in question.
edit: and even if they do go on hiatus, it still may have nothing to do with how successful or unsuccessful MEA was. It may simply be because they need to focus on these other IP's.
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Post by maximusarael020 on May 14, 2017 5:25:07 GMT
@maximursarael20 I don't read their earnings reports, but we do hear and read about the statements made to the investor's every year. I don't recall them ever saying something like this about a game they just released. It would have stood out, just as it's standing out now, if they had said this about any other game they've released. They're going to continue to support MP, but they're moving on. Or it sounds like it from their own words, not Kotaku's words. Forget Kotaku, judging from EA's statements to their investor's, it still sounds like they're putting MEA on ice a little bit. EA wants to focus on these other IP's, and need all the help they can get. I don't think it's the end of the franchise, though. However, DLC for MEA may be in question. Tweets by Cora's VA in the last few weeks said she was in the studio voicing Cora again. Guessing that's for DLC.
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Post by rapscallioness on May 14, 2017 5:27:56 GMT
Yeah, I heard about that. Guessing that's for dlc, too. If they don;t decide to drop it.
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Post by The Twilight God on May 14, 2017 5:42:52 GMT
IF EA and Bioware are one entity. Then EA and DICE are one entity. Therefore Bioware and DICE are one entity.
This isn't about changing MEA. Bioware Montreal had 5 years and 40 million dollars to make a game. More than enough time. They had the same budget as ME3, which took 2 years. The same amount of time it took to release ME2&3 COMBINED. And despite 5 years the game is still a rushed. That's incompetence.
True enough. I simply am not aware enough of the intricacies and inner workings of Bioware and EA, or the particulars of their relationship and how closely they are managed by EA.
It doesn't matter that you don't know what kinds of coffee or what brand of donuts they have in their office. All you need to know is EA pays for everything. The only contribution to the series that is specifically EA's fault is the inclusion of multiplayer. And at the time the CEO had a sweeping policy of including multiplayer in every EA game as well as pushing micro transactions/DLC. EA does not right scripts, design characters, craft plotlines, develop the combat system, hire voice actors, work on animations or anything of that nature. Bioware makes the game. I can guarantee you that if EA was in their business like that ME3's ending would not have been such an utter disaster.
You do know that it doesn't take 5 years to make a good ME game. You do know that despite 5 years it still wasn't ready and released unfinished. You do know they have the same money and resources available as previous entries. You do know ME2--the most praised in the franchise--was also made under the evil eye of EA.
Bioware Montreal done fucked up. Period.
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Post by maximusarael020 on May 14, 2017 5:57:47 GMT
Yeah, I heard about that. Guessing that's for dlc, too. If they don;t decide to drop it. If they were to decide to drop it, that decision would have been based on the first two weeks of sales. That's when most sales occur. That would have been the first week of April, and Cora's VA tweet was from early May. VA's are expensive, and so if they were going to cut the DLC they would have done it before bringing her in.
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Post by zipzap2000 on May 14, 2017 6:25:46 GMT
Okay, your tone there is very serious so I don't think you are joking, but I mean come on now. Even the most die hard MEA fan can't actually think that can they? I could post enough examples to make the page unloadable but I'll just leave this vid instead, it covers most of it. I don't think the game is shit or anything, but no one can seriously deny all the animation problems this game shipped with. It was laughably bad and BW deserved every scrap of blow back they got over it. First time I watched that video, not sure how any one can defend that. Same. I just sat here and laughed like a Hyena. Full points to the chick who came up with "cover based bro shooter."
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Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Shattered Steel, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 14, 2017 6:41:25 GMT
The only reason I think there may be something to this hiatus story is because I don't recall BW ever making an announcement like this. I mean, usually they finish the game, get quiet, put out some patches, get to work on dlc. Yeah, they switch people around, too, help with other games. But I don't remember them ever coming out and saying they were taking an hiatus. Why would they even need to say that if it was business as usual? It may have nothing all that much to do with MEA itself, and may be more about EA wanting more people and resources going towards this Dylan thing, and ofc star wars because star wars. Hell, they might not be too keen on any space sci-fi genre competition with star wars. Although, this Dylan thing..what is it? It's supposed to be some Destiny-esque/Division-esque sci-fi? "MMO-ish"? Wtf is this shite? They pushed it back, and I'm like I don't even know what the heck you're pushing back. Are you making a game? Come to think of it, some blame should certainly be placed on the marketing of MEA. It was pretty shite marketing. All hiatus means to me, is that main production is over. Secondary production is still in effect for support (the long road ahead) and the DLC because that's a revenue stream EA can use to pad their quarterly statements. Also, if I was an investor, and I heard hiatus, I would assume scaled down marketing, scaled down operations and focusing on Dylan and DA4. The DLC doesn't need the entire workforce concentrating on that. Besides, the new (burned by fire, yo) veterans are being put to work on these projects and the stories they're going to share...
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Post by rapscallioness on May 14, 2017 6:42:29 GMT
Yeah, I heard about that. Guessing that's for dlc, too. If they don;t decide to drop it. If they were to decide to drop it, that decision would have been based on the first two weeks of sales. That's when most sales occur. That would have been the first week of April, and Cora's VA tweet was from early May. VA's are expensive, and so if they were going to cut the DLC they would have done it before bringing her in. Hope you're right because there's a Mr. Reyes Vidal I wanted to see again. I thought he had a rather bright future.
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Post by maximusarael020 on May 14, 2017 6:47:33 GMT
If they were to decide to drop it, that decision would have been based on the first two weeks of sales. That's when most sales occur. That would have been the first week of April, and Cora's VA tweet was from early May. VA's are expensive, and so if they were going to cut the DLC they would have done it before bringing her in. Hope you're right because there's a Mr. Reyes Vidal I wanted to see again. I thought he had a rather bright future. Oh, yes. I think more Reyes is one of the most frequent requests I've seen to the devs, along with #makejaalbi
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Cyan_Griffonclaw
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Uncle Cyan
Dang it.
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Shattered Steel, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 14, 2017 6:47:46 GMT
If they were to decide to drop it, that decision would have been based on the first two weeks of sales. That's when most sales occur. That would have been the first week of April, and Cora's VA tweet was from early May. VA's are expensive, and so if they were going to cut the DLC they would have done it before bringing her in. Hope you're right because there's a Mr. Reyes Vidal I wanted to see again. I thought he had a rather bright future. He has been in only one installment and he's in the top 5 or so love interests. He's got charisma. The writers struck a chord with people.
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Post by rawgrim on May 14, 2017 6:50:00 GMT
The game is 30-35% off at most stores already. That is a bad sign considering the release was fairly recent.
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