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Post by lordofwar on Oct 6, 2016 20:43:24 GMT
Catalina: I fully agree that Meredith is a danger to Kirkwall but the way I worded my post is important. I feel the mages are the larger immediate threat. I always feel that if the end had not happened the way it did that Meredith and much of the leadership of the Templars would still have to be dealt with later, but at that very moment the mages were the larger threat. lordofwar: The Circle actively fomented rebellion at every turn so that had a hand in making things worse. The problems in Kirkwall came from both sides ramping things up to an intolerable level. As I have said before, this is how I see it but go ahead and disparage me just because I have different thoughts. Heaven forbid anyone think differently. I'm not disparaging you, I'm arguing with you. Much more fun. So you think the Templar leadership needed to be dealt with, but rebellion against them was wrong? It was Templar control of the city and Templar crackdowns on mages and their political enemies, that put put Kirkwall in dire straits. Rebellion against tyrants like that is justified. Waiting around for them to give up power as they subjugate or slaughter everyone opposed to them would never have worked.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Oct 6, 2016 21:16:55 GMT
Catalina: I fully agree that Meredith is a danger to Kirkwall but the way I worded my post is important. I feel the mages are the larger immediate threat. I always feel that if the end had not happened the way it did that Meredith and much of the leadership of the Templars would still have to be dealt with later, but at that very moment the mages were the larger threat. lordofwar: The Circle actively fomented rebellion at every turn so that had a hand in making things worse. The problems in Kirkwall came from both sides ramping things up to an intolerable level. As I have said before, this is how I see it but go ahead and disparage me just because I have different thoughts. Heaven forbid anyone think differently. I'm not disparaging you, I'm arguing with you. Much more fun. So you think the Templar leadership needed to be dealt with, but rebellion against them was wrong? It was Templar control of the city and Templar crackdowns on mages and their political enemies, that put put Kirkwall in dire straits. Rebellion against tyrants like that is justified. Waiting around for them to give up power as they subjugate or slaughter everyone opposed to them would never have worked. Out of the two terrible options, siding with the Templars does seem like it will provide the most security to Kirkwall, short-term. Law and order Hawke wasn't thrilled and REALLY REALLY tried to get everyone to talk out their disagreements, but when that wasn't an option, restoring order did seem like the best way to protect people. I've also sided with the mages and had a Hawke who straight up sided with the Templars instead of getting shoved into it by the power of Chantry-explosion. Doing the same thing every time is boring.
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Post by lordofwar on Oct 6, 2016 21:24:23 GMT
I'm not disparaging you, I'm arguing with you. Much more fun. So you think the Templar leadership needed to be dealt with, but rebellion against them was wrong? It was Templar control of the city and Templar crackdowns on mages and their political enemies, that put put Kirkwall in dire straits. Rebellion against tyrants like that is justified. Waiting around for them to give up power as they subjugate or slaughter everyone opposed to them would never have worked. Law and order Hawke wasn't thrilled and REALLY REALLY tried to get everyone to talk out their disagreements, but when that wasn't an option, restoring order did seem like the best way to protect people. You'd think someone wanting to uphold law and order would deal with the war criminal dictator who's actively subverting the laws of the city and the Chantry?
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Post by Catilina on Oct 6, 2016 21:30:08 GMT
I'm not disparaging you, I'm arguing with you. Much more fun. So you think the Templar leadership needed to be dealt with, but rebellion against them was wrong? It was Templar control of the city and Templar crackdowns on mages and their political enemies, that put put Kirkwall in dire straits. Rebellion against tyrants like that is justified. Waiting around for them to give up power as they subjugate or slaughter everyone opposed to them would never have worked. Out of the two terrible options, siding with the Templars does seem like it will provide the most security to Kirkwall, short-term. Law and order Hawke wasn't thrilled and REALLY REALLY tried to get everyone to talk out their disagreements, but when that wasn't an option, restoring order did seem like the best way to protect people.I've also sided with the mages and had a Hawke who straight up sided with the Templars instead of getting shoved into it by the power of Chantry-explosion. Doing the same thing every time is boring. I never see that siding with a lunatic, powerhungry, cruel person will serve the security. Honestly I always thought the opposite is the truth. Protect the mages also mean: protect the people. If the law is wrong, need to break it.
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Post by Beerfish on Oct 6, 2016 21:31:39 GMT
Law and order Hawke wasn't thrilled and REALLY REALLY tried to get everyone to talk out their disagreements, but when that wasn't an option, restoring order did seem like the best way to protect people. You'd think someone wanting to uphold law and order would deal with the war criminal dictator who's actively subverting the laws of the city and the Chantry? You are talking about Orsino now , correct?
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Post by Beerfish on Oct 6, 2016 21:32:03 GMT
Out of the two terrible options, siding with the Templars does seem like it will provide the most security to Kirkwall, short-term. Law and order Hawke wasn't thrilled and REALLY REALLY tried to get everyone to talk out their disagreements, but when that wasn't an option, restoring order did seem like the best way to protect people.I've also sided with the mages and had a Hawke who straight up sided with the Templars instead of getting shoved into it by the power of Chantry-explosion. Doing the same thing every time is boring. I never see that siding with a lunatic, powerhungry, cruel person will serve the security. Honestly I always thought the opposite is the truth. Protect the mages also mean: protect the people. If the law is wrong, need to break it. You are talking about Orsino now, correct?
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Oct 6, 2016 21:33:05 GMT
Dealing with Meredith is a 'later' problem. Damage control is a 'now' problem.
Rioting, a potential exalted march, and trying to restore order is important. It's not the right time for idealism or a huge clash. It's time to make sure that the streets are safe.
Of course, then Meredith's sudden but inevitable betrayal happens. And then Hawke is Viscount. I like to think she tried to make Kirkwall slightly less of an insane cesspool before she took off chasing Corypheus.
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Post by lordofwar on Oct 6, 2016 21:34:22 GMT
You'd think someone wanting to uphold law and order would deal with the war criminal dictator who's actively subverting the laws of the city and the Chantry? You are talking about Orsino now , correct? I'm not entirely sure how he'd qualify, no.
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Post by lordofwar on Oct 6, 2016 21:35:41 GMT
Dealing with Meredith is a 'later' problem. Damage control is a 'now' problem. Rioting, a potential exalted march, and trying to restore order is important. It's not the right time for idealism or a huge clash. It's time to make sure that the streets are safe. Of course, then Meredith's sudden but inevitable betrayal happens. And then Hawke is Viscount. I like to think she tried to make Kirkwall slightly less of an insane cesspool before she took off chasing Corypheus. Viscount Hawke is still a Templar puppet. Nothing changes unless they're defeated.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 6, 2016 21:37:09 GMT
I never see that siding with a lunatic, powerhungry, cruel person will serve the security. Honestly I always thought the opposite is the truth. Protect the mages also mean: protect the people. If the law is wrong, need to break it. You are talking about Orsino now, correct? Orsino not powerhungry and not cruel. And except at the Gallows, he never show himself lunatic, but you can talking about him. But Meredith fits all of the listed trait.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Oct 6, 2016 21:39:24 GMT
Dealing with Meredith is a 'later' problem. Damage control is a 'now' problem. Rioting, a potential exalted march, and trying to restore order is important. It's not the right time for idealism or a huge clash. It's time to make sure that the streets are safe. Of course, then Meredith's sudden but inevitable betrayal happens. And then Hawke is Viscount. I like to think she tried to make Kirkwall slightly less of an insane cesspool before she took off chasing Corypheus. Viscount Hawke is still a Templar puppet. Nothing changes unless they're defeated. Hahah, not all of them. Certainly not my first playthrough Hawke, who clashed PLENTY with the Templars in game and presumably did more afterwards. Maybe yours, if that's how you want to go with it. RPG magic!
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Post by Catilina on Oct 6, 2016 21:41:01 GMT
Dealing with Meredith is a 'later' problem. Damage control is a 'now' problem. Rioting, a potential exalted march, and trying to restore order is important. It's not the right time for idealism or a huge clash. It's time to make sure that the streets are safe. Of course, then Meredith's sudden but inevitable betrayal happens. And then Hawke is Viscount. I like to think she tried to make Kirkwall slightly less of an insane cesspool before she took off chasing Corypheus. Dealing with Orsino is a "later" problem, damage control is a "now" problem. Meredith not trustworthy. Lunatic, powerhungry and cruel. This is not metaknowledge.
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 6, 2016 21:43:20 GMT
I didn't so much side with Meredith as against the bunch of raging bedlamites that were the Kirkwall mages. Howling abominations led by a blood mage who supported the murderer of Momma Hawke and many other women. Who in their right mind would kill the templars and set those nutters free on the unsuspecting populace of Kirkwall?
Templars are a danger to mages. Mages are a danger to everyone. Simple math.
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Post by lordofwar on Oct 6, 2016 21:43:21 GMT
Viscount Hawke is still a Templar puppet. Nothing changes unless they're defeated. Hahah, not all of them. Certainly not my first playthrough Hawke, who clashed PLENTY with the Templars in game and presumably did more afterwards. Maybe yours, if that's how you want to go with it. RPG magic! It's not optional. Hawke is put on the throne by the Templars, and kept there at their whim. They remain the most powerful armed force in the city, and doing something they don't like is a fast-track to getting Threnhold'd. That's just the reality of the situation.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 6, 2016 21:54:58 GMT
I didn't so much side with Meredith as against the bunch of raging bedlamites that were the Kirkwall mages. Howling abominations led by a blood mage who supported the murderer of Momma Hawke and many other women. Who in their right mind would kill the templars and set those nutters free on the unsuspecting populace of Kirkwall? Templars are a danger to mages. Mages are a danger to everyone. Simple math. We can talk about the math and Kirkwall. (Without metaknowledge) Lets's see, what probably happen, if Hawke siding with Orsino. Hawke know, what Orsino said: when the fight started, they all became apostate. And Hawke also know: the Exalted March coming. So: if they win: every mages run away from Kirkwall, and the Templars probably died. Simple math: problem solved. All dangerous thing eliminated.
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 6, 2016 22:01:48 GMT
We can talk about the math and Kirkwall. (Without metaknowledge) Lets's see, what probably happen, if Hawke siding with Orsino. Hawke know, what Orsino said: when the fight started, they all became apostate. And Hawke also know: the Exalted March coming. So: if they win: all of the mages run away from Kirkwall, and the Templars also died. Simple math: problem solved. All dangerous thing eliminated. That way the problem is not solved - if the mages run away, the problem simply goes elsewhere. It's not like the change of air will suddenly make them all sane. Almost every mage we met in Kirkwall was a murderous loony. Why let them escape? Especially not Orsino. Who knows who gets turned into a harvester next time someone looks at him funny.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 6, 2016 22:03:49 GMT
We can talk about the math and Kirkwall. (Without metaknowledge) Lets's see, what probably happen, if Hawke siding with Orsino. Hawke know, what Orsino said: when the fight started, they all became apostate. And Hawke also know: the Exalted March coming. So: if they win: all of the mages run away from Kirkwall, and the Templars also died. Simple math: problem solved. All dangerous thing eliminated. That way the problem is not solved - if the mages run away, the problem simply goes elsewhere. It's not like the change of air will suddenly make them all sane. Almost every mage we met in Kirkwall was a murderous loony. Why let them escape? Especially not Orsino. Who knows who gets turned into a harvester next time someone looks at him funny. Yes, the problem is scattered just as the Chantry, and Kirkwall's problem solved. But: Not even Kirkwall, but the whole world never was and never will Hawke's responsibility.
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Post by phoray on Oct 6, 2016 22:06:48 GMT
bear43You say "Immediate threat" but I don't understand. Meredith and Orsino was arguing about a Circle Tower Inspection. Meredith was arguing that there were blood mages to be found. Orsino said there were no blood mages and that the search was invasive in a Circle that already had like 0 privacy considering even their letters were being read. The mages weren't allowed to leave the Gallows. Etc. Their argument escalates a bit, and they say that they need to talk to Elthina. Anders steps in, and blows up the Chantry. Now. The Templars are trained and will follow orders. The local guard is trained and will follow orders. The mages are still, innocently or not, in the Gallows/Circle Tower doing what they were doing 5 minutes before. Eating. Sleeping. Studying. Taking a dump. The PEOPLE of Kirkwall are probably mostly going, "Oh maker, my house is on fire, where are the kids? Did the Qunari come back? Are we under attack?" NOT, "Fuck the kids and my house burning down. I'm marching with my pitchfork RIGHT NOW, getting on a BOAT to the Gallows and killing EVERYONE THERE." The Mages in the Circle tower also have ZERO CLUE what just happened. I mean, at worse, they'll make a break for freedom in the confusion. Not be like, "This is my time to become an abomination! Yes! Mwuahhahaha!" Ir Meredith had truly been interested in "restoring order" and doing justice for the Kirkwall Citizens, she would have arrested Anders or put the sword through him right there...and worked with Aveline to save survivors, put out the flames, etc. Then, with Anders act as evidence, requested an Annulment of the Circle. But in that moment? As "innocent" Kirkwallians deal with fire and rubble and death, and probably opportunistic rioting bandits? NOT THE TIME TO ANNUL THE CIRCLE. WORST TIME EVER.
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 6, 2016 22:08:02 GMT
Yes, the problem is scattered just as the Chantry, and Kirkwall's problem solved. But: Not even Kirkwall, but the whole world never was and never will Hawke's responsibility. Yeah, that's true... that's a notion I sympathize with.
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 6, 2016 22:16:53 GMT
bear43 You say "Immediate threat" but I don't understand. Meredith and Orsino was arguing about a Circle Tower Inspection. Meredith was arguing that there were blood mages to be found. Orsino said there were no blood mages and that the search was invasive in a Circle that already had like 0 privacy considering even their letters were being read. The mages weren't allowed to leave the Gallows. Etc. Their argument escalates a bit, and they say that they need to talk to Elthina. Anders steps in, and blows up the Chantry. Now. The Templars are trained and will follow orders. The local guard is trained and will follow orders. The mages are still, innocently or not, in the Gallows/Circle Tower doing what they were doing 5 minutes before. Eating. Sleeping. Studying. Taking a dump. The PEOPLE of Kirkwall are probably mostly going, "Oh maker, my house is on fire, where are the kids? Did the Qunari come back? Are we under attack?" NOT, "Fuck the kids and my house burning down. I'm marching with my pitchfork RIGHT NOW, getting on a BOAT to the Gallows and killing EVERYONE THERE." The Mages in the Circle tower also have ZERO CLUE what just happened. I mean, at worse, they'll make a break for freedom in the confusion. Not be like, "This is my time to become an abomination! Yes! Mwuahhahaha!" Ir Meredith had truly been interested in "restoring order" and doing justice for the Kirkwall Citizens, she would have arrested Anders or put the sword through him right there...and worked with Aveline to save survivors, put out the flames, etc. Then, with Anders act as evidence, requested an Annulment of the Circle. But in that moment? As "innocent" Kirkwallians deal with fire and rubble and death, and probably opportunistic rioting bandits? NOT THE TIME TO ANNUL THE CIRCLE. WORST TIME EVER. Yeah... but that's BioWare writing for you. Let no common sense ever stand in the way of forced drama! Their stories often rely on idiot balls bouncing around merrily through the entire plot, hitting people left and right. Bad things happen because people are stupid. Meredith probably thought for some reason that this weirdly glowing idol was perfectly safe to carry around. Orsino had a soft spot for that choir boy Quentin. Cullen wouldn't arrest Anders even if you all but shoved the guy in his face. And so on...
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Post by phoray on Oct 6, 2016 22:31:48 GMT
bear43 You say "Immediate threat" but I don't understand. Meredith and Orsino was arguing about a Circle Tower Inspection. Meredith was arguing that there were blood mages to be found. Orsino said there were no blood mages and that the search was invasive in a Circle that already had like 0 privacy considering even their letters were being read. The mages weren't allowed to leave the Gallows. Etc. Their argument escalates a bit, and they say that they need to talk to Elthina. Anders steps in, and blows up the Chantry. Now. The Templars are trained and will follow orders. The local guard is trained and will follow orders. The mages are still, innocently or not, in the Gallows/Circle Tower doing what they were doing 5 minutes before. Eating. Sleeping. Studying. Taking a dump. The PEOPLE of Kirkwall are probably mostly going, "Oh maker, my house is on fire, where are the kids? Did the Qunari come back? Are we under attack?" NOT, "Fuck the kids and my house burning down. I'm marching with my pitchfork RIGHT NOW, getting on a BOAT to the Gallows [and if those mages who obviously did this aren't already dead], I'm killing EVERYONE THERE." The Mages in the Circle tower also have ZERO CLUE what just happened. I mean, at worse, they'll make a break for freedom in the confusion. Not be like, "This is my time to become an abomination! Yes! Mwuahhahaha!" If Meredith had truly been interested in "restoring order" and doing justice for the Kirkwall Citizens, she would have arrested Anders or put the sword through him right there...and worked with Aveline to save survivors, put out the flames, etc. Then, with Anders act as evidence, requested an Annulment of the Circle. But in that moment? As "innocent" Kirkwallians deal with fire and rubble and death, and probably opportunistic rioting bandits? NOT THE TIME TO ANNUL THE CIRCLE. WORST TIME EVER. Yeah... but that's BioWare writing for you. Let no common sense ever stand in the way of forced drama! Their stories often rely on idiot balls bouncing around merrily through the entire plot, hitting people left and right. Bad things happen because people are stupid. Meredith probably thought for some reason that this weirdly glowing idol was perfectly safe to carry around. Orsino had a soft spot for that choir boy Quentin. Cullen wouldn't arrest Anders even if you all but shoved the guy in his face. And so on... You know what would have been great? Meredith tries to kill Anders on the spot and you have to make a choice about whether to let him die or not. If you don't let her do it, you kill Meredith. Because you killed Meredith, the Templars attack you and you have to slaughter them all as you make your way out of Kirkwall. If you choose to let him die, Orsino stands in to protect him, saying he wholeheartedly agreed with the choice and it was time for FREEDOM!!! RAWR!! And you, Meredith, and the Templars wipe out the whole circle. See, THAT situation is an immediate threat. And that threat is either Hawke just killing your leader to protect a terrorist or the Circle going full rebel.
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Post by Toyish Batphone on Oct 7, 2016 4:24:44 GMT
For all its faults, Dragon Age 2 is an excellent game at demonstrating why opening up a city / state to refugees (not just Ferelden refugees, but Qunari shipwrecked ones too) without stringent vetting process is a really bad idea.
Dragon Age 2 - Proving Donald Trump has the right idea when it comes to immigration and refugees.
Kirkwall should have built a yuge wall and made both Ferelden and the Qun pay for it. They should have also only allowed immigrants to come in LEGALLY.
Anders would not have been an issue if Kirkwall vetted its refugees and visitors properly and said - Mage abominatons are not allowed in Kirkwall, OUT.
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Oct 7, 2016 6:05:22 GMT
bear43 You say "Immediate threat" but I don't understand. Meredith and Orsino was arguing about a Circle Tower Inspection. Meredith was arguing that there were blood mages to be found. Orsino said there were no blood mages and that the search was invasive in a Circle that already had like 0 privacy considering even their letters were being read. The mages weren't allowed to leave the Gallows. Etc. Their argument escalates a bit, and they say that they need to talk to Elthina. Anders steps in, and blows up the Chantry. Now. The Templars are trained and will follow orders. The local guard is trained and will follow orders. The mages are still, innocently or not, in the Gallows/Circle Tower doing what they were doing 5 minutes before. Eating. Sleeping. Studying. Taking a dump. The PEOPLE of Kirkwall are probably mostly going, "Oh maker, my house is on fire, where are the kids? Did the Qunari come back? Are we under attack?" NOT, "Fuck the kids and my house burning down. I'm marching with my pitchfork RIGHT NOW, getting on a BOAT to the Gallows and killing EVERYONE THERE." The Mages in the Circle tower also have ZERO CLUE what just happened. I mean, at worse, they'll make a break for freedom in the confusion. Not be like, "This is my time to become an abomination! Yes! Mwuahhahaha!" Ir Meredith had truly been interested in "restoring order" and doing justice for the Kirkwall Citizens, she would have arrested Anders or put the sword through him right there...and worked with Aveline to save survivors, put out the flames, etc. Then, with Anders act as evidence, requested an Annulment of the Circle. But in that moment? As "innocent" Kirkwallians deal with fire and rubble and death, and probably opportunistic rioting bandits? NOT THE TIME TO ANNUL THE CIRCLE. WORST TIME EVER. Not to mention that part of a Templar's job is to also PROTECT mages from ignorant mobs. Even if there was a mob that wanted to kill the mages after the explosion, there's a few things to note: 1. The Circle is in the middle of an island. That would mean that the peasants would have to get boats and navigate there 2. The templars are the most powerful military force in Kirkwall and everyone is scared shitless of them. Do you really think a mob would dare fight them if the templars decided to protect the mages? This is a moot point because it becomes clear that the annulment wasn't to restore order but just to kill the mages. If Karras is alive by act 3, he outright confirms Meredith already tried to invoke the annulment before and who knows how many times she's tried to invoke it before. The death of Elthina gave Meredith both an excuse and got rid of the one person who could prevent the annulment, thereby giving Meredith full authority to invoke the annulment. Meredith never wanted to restore order, she just wanted to kill the mages because she was a paranoid bigot and the explosion gave her both the means and excuse to do so. Of course, it's also funny that apparently even if you sided with the mages, the people of Kirkwall don't give a crap and still love Hawke. Guess they aren't so bloodthirsty for mage blood afterall
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 7, 2016 6:29:52 GMT
You know what would have been great? Meredith tries to kill Anders on the spot and you have to make a choice about whether to let him die or not. If you don't let her do it, you kill Meredith. Because you killed Meredith, the Templars attack you and you have to slaughter them all as you make your way out of Kirkwall. If you choose to let him die, Orsino stands in to protect him, saying he wholeheartedly agreed with the choice and it was time for FREEDOM!!! RAWR!! And you, Meredith, and the Templars wipe out the whole circle. See, THAT situation is an immediate threat. And that threat is either Hawke just killing your leader to protect a terrorist or the Circle going full rebel. Good one! Or if you want even more reactivity, Anders tries to kill Meredith if you helped him with his personal quest, or Meredith tries to kill him if you didn't or even talked him out of it. There, drama galore, no idiot ball required.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 7, 2016 11:49:20 GMT
For all its faults, Dragon Age 2 is an excellent game at demonstrating why opening up a city / state to refugees (not just Ferelden refugees, but Qunari shipwrecked ones too) without stringent vetting process is a really bad idea. Dragon Age 2 - Proving Donald Trump has the right idea when it comes to immigration and refugees. Kirkwall should have built a yuge wall and made both Ferelden and the Qun pay for it. They should have also only allowed immigrants to come in LEGALLY. Anders would not have been an issue if Kirkwall vetted its refugees and visitors properly and said - Mage abominatons are not allowed in Kirkwall, OUT. (Long live Donald Trump, who protects the States of the Refugees' against the refugees! And: You forget the nazis and terrorists! Please you don't forget in the next time!)
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