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Post by jclosed on May 12, 2017 15:12:37 GMT
Personally I think the story with Shepard is told, and he can lay to rest. If they try to revive him/her again in a new game, I guarantee it's a game I will never buy, simply because I have enough of that setting. Really - I loved the old series, but the story is told and done, and it's time fore something new.
With Mass Effect Andromeda a whole new chapter in the story opens up. I think the idea of starting with a complete new environment, new protagonist and new races (Kett, Angara) is good. Count on top of that an unknown race (only known by name Jardaan) that created a mysterious new technology that "terraforms" not only worlds but complete clusters and even creates complete races to populate those worlds, then the groundwork is done for a complete new series.
The new protagonists (Ryder twins), start as almost complete newbies that have to earn their place. This is an refreshing change from a protagonist that already is a veteran and sits comfortable in the space that is created for him/her. I think it is far more interesting to see somebody grow from essentially almost a nobody to a stronger character that earns respect.
I think this new Mass Effect series has the potential to grow into a strong series (maybe another trilogy?). At least the door is open to create an stronger second game. I don't buy the idea that the series are "doomed and over". Mass Effect Andromeda is not perceived as "top of the range", but is still a very enjoyable game with enough parts that lay the groundwork to build up on.
But please, please, please... No Shepard again. That would really spoil everything...
You can agree or disagree with me, but this is my personal opinion and I stay with that.
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Post by blueasari on May 12, 2017 15:13:23 GMT
Never say never, who knows mate. So long as Mac is in charge it won't happen. After MEA who knows if that will be the case or not. True, I guess all I can do is dream.  |
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Post by commandercryptarch on May 12, 2017 15:13:23 GMT
Moved on? Moved on? With the amount of bitching over no Shepard and comparing everyone and thing to the MET, hardly anyone moved on. MEA is my fav in the series now and it's been torn to shreds for some of the dumbest reasons! Moved on? Ha! Sorry , you misunderstood my post. What I meant by saying we moved on is not us ,the fans and how we feel emotionally. I meant strictly the story moving on from MW to Andromeda.New story,new characters,new setting. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 15:14:50 GMT
It would have been fun to do similar to ME2 opening, have ME4 take place where Shepard is lying on the ground right before ascending to the Citadel. Real tense fast paced start. Finish dealing with Reapers, real boss fight, not f*ingMauarader Shields  And no Space Kid. Have awesome reunion with crew post battle, save Earth. Everything's great - Then start next story a few years later w/ dark energy problem as outlined by Drew Karpyshyn who left. This was hinted at in Codex. Game proceeds from this initial threat with new story and enemies. Why not do this? It would side step the pile they've been in for 5 years, and with something like the Dragon Keep to make a save state in, all choices would matter. Who'da thunk? I once had the exact same idea. No need to release a rewritten ME3, but instead have ME4 introduction be the last sequence of ME3.That would be cool.But that would never happen. I've liked the MET endings, and redoing it to put an artificial "Happy End!" on it would have completely nullified the sacrifice my Paragon made or the coolness of POWAR my Renegade got. My Shepards One True love was Thane who fell heroically, and she followed his suit. Will he get ret-con resurrected too and space-magically cured for Shep to wed and spawn three adorable drell hybrids? Or should Sherapd hook up with his son instead (all in the family?)
Seriously, the endings were the thing that slightly elevated MET over the Latin American soap opera. Ryders now did deliver the soap opera ending AND the sitcom and happy relationships... and still no dice?
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Post by blueasari on May 12, 2017 15:15:20 GMT
See, I saw something completely different from some of the fan base. They weren't ready to "move on". They were still carrying a grudge, whether from the ME3 ending or something else. Maybe if BioWare had made ME:A smaller and more linear, like the original trilogy, some people might have enjoyed it more...but most likely not. I think it would have helped quite a lot actually, but if the bugs, weak dialogue, weak story,etc were still there after launch people would still be pissed. |
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Post by Turian Werewolf on May 12, 2017 15:15:48 GMT
With the future of Mass Effect being a bit unclear because of Mass Effect Andromeda, I started thinking about all the moments leading up to the release of MEA. I remember most fans just wanting to "move on" and eagerly leave everyone and everything we knew in the past. New stories, new characters,new adventures and a whole new setting ,while others felt the franchise should have continued somehow with Shepard. I know , MEA' s failings have less to do with its setting and more to do with a myriad other things,but I wanted to open a discussion for fans to talk about their opinions on whether the departure to a spin-off was better or worse than making an actual sequel. Yes, a sequel (ME4) would mean rewriting the endinds of ME3 and that wouldn't be feasible anyway. However, having seen and played Mass Effect Andromeda ,would anyone have preferred a ME4 with Shepard instead of what we got, afterall? Just a hypothetical question. My humble opinion is that the franchise is so rich and ripe for stories we could have gotten both. If only,Bioware had planned it better. Feel free to discuss. I always wanted Mass Effect 4. Take away the reapers and give Shepard another adventure with the crew. That said, I didn't mind Andromeda. I think the bigger problem is that Bioware/EA needs to get a stable roster of seasoned professionals through the door in order to get the franchise back on track. I'd love to hear more about the high turnover and troubled production of Andromeda, but I'm sure it'll never happen. I figured by now we'd have more insight into why the ME3 ending went so bad, but they've been mum on that too (and for the record, I 100% believe the infamous Penny Arcade post was Weekes and was true). |
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Post by decafhigh on May 12, 2017 15:17:10 GMT
..... You can agree or disagree with me, but this is my personal opinion and I stay with that. Overall I agree. I don't think moving to Andromeda is what did this game in, so to speak. Technical issues and some very questionable design choices (dialogue and the CC in particular for me) are what really hurt the game. The premise was as solid as it could be while still being a part of the ME series. It was just the execution of it that was lacking. |
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Post by commandercryptarch on May 12, 2017 15:18:58 GMT
Andromeda could have been a m a z i n g. I truly believed it until the last minute. By playing it safe they made this new galaxy WAY TOO familiar from the planets to the aliens, they reused many ideas and they drew many character and story parallels. (We need 2 humans, 1 asari, 1 krogan etc. Etc.) and story parallels. Andromeda is not bad,it is just not compelling enough ,at least for me. At this point I'd accept anything else than the game we got. Hell, I'd accept some cheesy and contrived explanation that Shepard managed to get his/her conciousness in a synthetic body at this point. Not because I miss Shepard, but because I found MEA s story so underwhelming and "meh"  I don't necessarily miss specific elements of the trilogy like the location or the protagonist or the supporting characters. I miss the feelings the trilogy made me feel.I miss the excitement.Don't know how else to put it. ...and to reply to my own question.Did the moving on benefit the franchise? Yes ,but the mediocre product nullified that beneficial effect.If that makes any sense. Of course it makes sense. You did not like the game. You were disappointed after a few years of waiting, and want something else instead.
But it makes no less sense that I've liked it, am having a blast second time through it, and was not disappointed at all, so I want more of the same or in the same vein.
With every new game, we all crave a player gamegasm. I've been through this cycle for twenty years since BG2 was announced. Sometimes, it doesn't happen, doesn't click, no matter what. Sometimes you come around and start getting used to a game and kindda liking it. Sometimes you fall for it the moment the opening credits stop and your character opens his or her mouth.
The REAL issue is that we simply do not get enough games in that vein so people can play something new that they like. All of us, young and old, girl and boy, crone and old man, libertarian and conservative, penned into one release every 2 to 4 years. How can we all love it, particularly when we already have divergent opinions cultivated during 10 previous years over MET itself?
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Post by Steelcan on May 12, 2017 15:20:52 GMT
I was skeptical that MEA would be able to move on past the OT before release, now after its been out I think they shouldn't have even tried. MEA has everything that was wrong in the OT, missteps from DA:I, and some pretty environments.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 15:21:07 GMT
Moved on? Moved on? With the amount of bitching over no Shepard and comparing everyone and thing to the MET, hardly anyone moved on. MEA is my fav in the series now and it's been torn to shreds for some of the dumbest reasons! Moved on? Ha! Sorry , you misunderstood my post. What I meant by saying we moved on is not us ,the fans and how we feel emotionally. I meant strictly the story moving on from MW to Andromeda.New story,new characters,new setting. No I understood, but based on the reception from many, many don't care about anything but MET ver 2. I think if people would have given MEA a chance, it could have been even better in future games. All I'm seeing is the game intentionally targeted for past aggression or vengeance over the ME3 ending, and the original forums closing, which many have admitted when commenting on articles. We did move on in-game, now if only some fans would. Also this is what I was talking about: "I remember most fans just wanting to "move on" and eagerly leave everyone and everything we knew in the past. New stories, new characters,new adventures and a whole new setting ,while others felt the franchise should have continued somehow with Shepard." Half the ones who wanted to move on, turned right back around and complained once it came out. The same people who said Shepard was over, suddenly wanted Shepard back. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 15:21:28 GMT
With the future of Mass Effect being a bit unclear because of Mass Effect Andromeda Stop this shit. Seriously. All of this is based on one poorly written blog where where the writer jumps to conclusions. Also most gaming companies always move people around at the end of a completed game and keep some for DLC. Why would you keep them there doing nothing when you could put them on other things that are up and coming? It would be idiotic and a poor business tactic. This is the official statement which that article manages to put in at the very end of it in order to maintain some level of journalistic integrity that is based in fact and not wild speculation. A link to the article is added below. Please read the whole thing and not just the first few paragraphs. You will see with some applied logic skills that the writer leaps to some conclusions that are not even remotely true based on EA's own statement. kotaku.com/sources-bioware-montreal-downsized-mass-effect-put-on-1795100285 |
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Post by projectpatdc on May 12, 2017 15:21:32 GMT
Besides, my Commander Shepard would be OP as f*ck in ME4.  |
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Post by Friera on May 12, 2017 15:21:47 GMT
Are we 100 % sure MEA is over for good?
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Post by maximusarael020 on May 12, 2017 15:22:39 GMT
I'm plenty happy with the new setting and the avenues of discovery it allows. I was happy enough with the decision to leave the Milky Way, but I didn't care either way, I just wanted more Mass Effect. If they had pulled a Deus Ex and started ME4 before the ending of ME3, making the 3-choice decision moot, I'd have been fine with that too.
I think the new setting is great and will allow for more interesting stories. I won't say I want disappointed at having less exploration and meaningful choices than I expected, however. I was hoping for more control in setting up settlements and more "base-building", as well as more alien races to decide who to side with in the Cluster. Different alliances meaning different outcomes. The good news is, with this game under their belt, MEA:2 could potentially have more of those things, so not all hope is lost.
I think in the end moving on will have benefited the franchise. MEA:2, I hope, will be all the things we love about MEA without as much boat. I think the criticisms have been fairly clear (minus the "SJW" complaints) and so by putting more effort into the CC, animations, less fetch quests, and more meaningful decisions, I think we'll have a game that new and old fans can really enjoy.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 15:23:01 GMT
Are we 100 % sure MEA is over for good? No but many are eager to say it is because of one article every other media site is sourcing for clicks. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 15:23:42 GMT
Of course it makes sense. You did not like the game. You were disappointed after a few years of waiting, and want something else instead.
But it makes no less sense that I've liked it, am having a blast second time through it, and was not disappointed at all, so I want more of the same or in the same vein.
With every new game, we all crave a player gamegasm. I've been through this cycle for twenty years since BG2 was announced. Sometimes, it doesn't happen, doesn't click, no matter what. Sometimes you come around and start getting used to a game and kindda liking it. Sometimes you fall for it the moment the opening credits stop and your character opens his or her mouth.
The REAL issue is that we simply do not get enough games in that vein so people can play something new that they like. All of us, young and old, girl and boy, crone and old man, libertarian and conservative, penned into one release every 2 to 4 years. How can we all love it, particularly when we already have divergent opinions cultivated during 10 previous years over MET itself?
Never said I didn't like Mass Effect Andromeda. I just didn't like it enough,I suppose. And that is also a valid sentiment and makes sense. It also makes sense to fantasize about what you have wanted instead or how you wish it to continue. Arm-chair developing is fun. I would encourage everyone to indulge in it. Sometimes, folks will like your ideas if you publish them, sometimes they won't. Unfortunately, nowadays we cannot just mod in bits and pieces to customize the game to our own expectations. Back in the day it helped to pass the time between releases. Now we are more dependent on what the developer puts on offer.
In the end, the more it becomes mainstream to play videogames, the more people with different taste and backgrounds will play them, and the more divergent tastes and needs will be voiced. The gaming industry is simply not keeping up with producing niche games that hit the sweet spot with a specific part of a player base. Bio was always a generalist, not a specialist.
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Post by projectpatdc on May 12, 2017 15:24:50 GMT
Are we 100 % sure MEA is over for good? Someone someday will make an MEA2. MEA will end up being cult classic in video games. Just watch. After all the games' bugs are fixed and the holidays hit, people will pick it up for cheap having never played a mass effect. New weird, nerdy fans will be born. |
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Post by commandercryptarch on May 12, 2017 15:24:55 GMT
With the future of Mass Effect being a bit unclear because of Mass Effect Andromeda Stop this shit. Seriously. All of this is based on one poorly written blog where where the writer jumps to conclusions. Also most gaming companies always move people around at the end of a completed game and keep some for DLC. Why would you keep them there doing nothing when you could put them on other things that are up and coming? It would be idiotic and a poor business tactic. This is the official statement which that article manages to put in at the very end of it in order to maintain some level of journalistic integrity that is based in fact and not wild speculation. A link to the article is added below. Please read the whole thing and not just the first few paragraphs. You will see with some applied logic skills that the writer leaps to some conclusions that are not even remotely true based on EA's own statement. kotaku.com/sources-bioware-montreal-downsized-mass-effect-put-on-1795100285Umm..Chill, dude?? I used the word "unclear" for a reason. Unclear as in we don't really know what the future holds for the ME franchise ,whether good or bad. Unclear, as in we know there are many rumours around which we don't know are true or false. Geez. |
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Post by Steelcan on May 12, 2017 15:25:20 GMT
Sorry , you misunderstood my post. What I meant by saying we moved on is not us ,the fans and how we feel emotionally. I meant strictly the story moving on from MW to Andromeda.New story,new characters,new setting. No I understood, but based on the reception from many, many don't care about anything but MET ver 2. I think if people would have given MEA a chance, it could have been even better in future games. All I'm seeing is the game intentionally targeted for past aggression or vengeance over the ME3 ending, and the original forums closing, which many have admitted when commenting on articles. We did move on in-game, now if only some fans would. Also this is what I was talking about: "I remember most fans just wanting to "move on" and eagerly leave everyone and everything we knew in the past. New stories, new characters,new adventures and a whole new setting ,while others felt the franchise should have continued somehow with Shepard." Half the ones who wanted to move on, turned right back around and complained once it came out. The same people who said Shepard was over, suddenly wanted Shepard back. We didn't move on in game though. The whole game is just callbacks to the OT in regards to gameplay, thematic material, and story elements. The nomad is the mako, but worse Planet scanning is back, but worse Cora is Miranda, but worse Drack is Wrex, but worse Vetra is Garrus, but worse Liam is Jacob, but I guess slightly better the Remnant are the Protheans, but worse throughout Andromeda there is nothing comparable to ME2's cinematography, ME3's best story points, or ME1's world building. It is just an all around disappointing game. |
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Post by Friera on May 12, 2017 15:25:37 GMT
Are we 100 % sure MEA is over for good? No but many are eager to say it is because of one article every other media site is sourcing for clicks. I loved MEA. It felt like a prequel to something awesome. Yes, it was a little rough around the edges, but the potensial is endless. I am having a hard time accepting the MEA to be over. |
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Post by blueasari on May 12, 2017 15:26:09 GMT
Are we 100 % sure MEA is over for good? No but many are eager to say it is because of one article every other media site is sourcing for clicks. Calm down. |
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Post by Steelcan on May 12, 2017 15:26:24 GMT
Are we 100 % sure MEA is over for good? Someone someday will make an MEA2. MEA will end up being cult classic in video games. Just watch. After all the games' bugs are fixed and the holidays hit, people will pick it up for cheap having never played a mass effect. New weird, nerdy fans will be born. Sure, in the same way that Trolls 2 is a cult classic actually that's not fair, there is some dialogue I can stand in Trolls 2 |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 15:27:18 GMT
No I understood, but based on the reception from many, many don't care about anything but MET ver 2. I think if people would have given MEA a chance, it could have been even better in future games. All I'm seeing is the game intentionally targeted for past aggression or vengeance over the ME3 ending, and the original forums closing, which many have admitted when commenting on articles. We did move on in-game, now if only some fans would. Also this is what I was talking about: "I remember most fans just wanting to "move on" and eagerly leave everyone and everything we knew in the past. New stories, new characters,new adventures and a whole new setting ,while others felt the franchise should have continued somehow with Shepard." Half the ones who wanted to move on, turned right back around and complained once it came out. The same people who said Shepard was over, suddenly wanted Shepard back. We didn't move on in game though. The whole game is just callbacks to the OT in regards to gameplay, thematic material, and story elements. The nomad is the mako, but worse Planet scanning is back, but worse Cora is Miranda, but worse Drack is Wrex, but worse Vetra is Garrus, but worse Liam is Jacob, but I guess slightly better the Remnant are the Protheans, but worse throughout Andromeda there is nothing comparable to ME2's cinematography, ME3's best story points, or ME1's world building. It is just an all around disappointing game. It's the first game in a new series, with new players who never touched MET. It's not made for just us oldies. It's natural for new gamers to learn of them by having certain old stuff like that in it. I'm betting it would get better with each game if people tried harder to give it a chance. It's a saga they wanted, not a trilogy. |
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Post by qwib on May 12, 2017 15:27:20 GMT
See, I saw something completely different from some of the fan base. They weren't ready to "move on". They were still carrying a grudge, whether from the ME3 ending or something else. Maybe if BioWare had made ME:A smaller and more linear, like the original trilogy, some people might have enjoyed it more...but most likely not. It's more likely that people would have bitched about it not being open world, because Witcher 3 had an open world. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 15:28:54 GMT
No but many are eager to say it is because of one article every other media site is sourcing for clicks. Calm down. I have a deep hate for online media lol |
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