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Post by commandercryptarch on May 12, 2017 14:00:27 GMT
With the future of Mass Effect being a bit unclear because of Mass Effect Andromeda, I started thinking about all the moments leading up to the release of MEA.
I remember most fans just wanting to "move on" and eagerly leave everyone and everything we knew in the past. New stories, new characters,new adventures and a whole new setting ,while others felt the franchise should have continued somehow with Shepard.
I know , MEA' s failings have less to do with its setting and more to do with a myriad other things,but I wanted to open a discussion for fans to talk about their opinions on whether the departure to a spin-off was better or worse than making an actual sequel.
Yes, a sequel (ME4) would mean rewriting the endinds of ME3 and that wouldn't be feasible anyway. However, having seen and played Mass Effect Andromeda ,would anyone have preferred a ME4 with Shepard instead of what we got, afterall? Just a hypothetical question.
My humble opinion is that the franchise is so rich and ripe for stories we could have gotten both. If only,Bioware had planned it better.
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Post by brandoftime on May 12, 2017 14:04:29 GMT
I've wondered if the game had released in exactly this consition, minus the name 'Bioware' in the credits, if the backlash would have been as nasty.
If say, 'Bethesda' had been on the logo, people tend to forgive them for bugs, y'know, like the 'I lost 300 hours on Skyrim due to save game corruption, crashing in Riften 100 percent of the time?' kind of bugs.
BW came back into the scene still smoking from the ME3 ending nightmare. They might have been better to take the hiatus then, and re think the series at that time, not now with a whole new story arc, questions and lingering story (Quarians) now up in the air.
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on May 12, 2017 14:05:55 GMT
I want more Shepard. Or at least more Milky Way.
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Post by commandercryptarch on May 12, 2017 14:10:59 GMT
Yes that it very troubling.
MEA has so many unanswered questions that might never be answered even through DLC,if the series is truly on hiatus.We might have to wait years for a sequel or revival.A hiatus means bad news for the other media too like books and comics etc.
They shouldn't have listened to EA pushing them for a new game. They should have thought long abd hard on how to continue the franchise and if they should have at all.
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Post by decafhigh on May 12, 2017 14:19:26 GMT
Meh, I think Shep had her time and her story. It was time to move on from her. The problem with the endings was it made another game setting in the Milky Way impossible. You know you really messed up when your only choice in a sequel is to move everyone 2 million light years away and forces a bunch of rather ridiculous McGuffins on you before you even start telling the story.
After seeing MEA sadly I think the best thing they could have done give how bad the ME3 endings were would have been to just close the book on ME all together. If they still want a sci-fi RPG series start a new IP like they are doing with Dylan or go back to KOTOR. I fear ME has been critically wounded by the Star Child.
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Post by armass81 on May 12, 2017 14:22:50 GMT
Its seems to me that some people really didnt "move on", like whats been saying in the comments that usually end with "ME3 endings" and "Shepard" or "Garrus" being mentioned.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 14:28:34 GMT
I prefer the way they went in Andromeda.
My Renegade Shepard ascended to Digital Godhood. He is mighty and beyond understanding of the regular mortals and he now presides over their fate.
My Paragon ushered in the digital paradise in the name of the man she loved, and for everyone she loved and countless billions besides.
There is no story about Shepard that can top that. Shepard, the Messiah can no longer walk among the humans as s/he did any longer. Good stories end, and MET is a great story with a great end. Extending it would be completely artificial, and "epic" campaigns are always horrible.
Ryders, on the other hand (or their successors), are only starting to grow teeth, claws and face the big bad world. They have inherited the verse.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 14:34:51 GMT
I've wondered if the game had released in exactly this consition, minus the name 'Bioware' in the credits, if the backlash would have been as nasty. If say, 'Bethesda' had been on the logo, people tend to forgive them for bugs, y'know, like the 'I lost 300 hours on Skyrim due to save game corruption, crashing in Riften 100 percent of the time?' kind of bugs. BW came back into the scene still smoking from the ME3 ending nightmare. They might have been better to take the hiatus then, and re think the series at that time, not now with a whole new story arc, questions and lingering story (Quarians) now up in the air. Well, and if you have slapped CDPR logo on it, we'd have retorts about everything that is now considered a design flaw in the vein "it's the lore, stupid, and that's how they do things in their greatness, the game's a revelation, and if you don't think so you are a f***g moron."
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Post by mordrek on May 12, 2017 14:35:37 GMT
I think it's safe to say with the "Hiatus" that any new ME game will not involve the Ryder twins as main protagonists. I would much rather see ME4 in the Milky Way, and pretend ME:A was a fever dream. They just need to find a writer with an inspired story, and stop accepting fan fiction submissions.
I'm quite sure from a financial perspective EA will be pushing for a Shepard resurrection, but I'm not sure that's necessary.
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Post by Rochrok on May 12, 2017 14:39:23 GMT
I didn't want to move on, I think BW should have sucked it up and created a completely different ending to ME3 even if they had to show it at the start of a new ME game. Let us replay the ending with Shepard then move on to twenty or thirty years later with a new protagonist. Perhaps a racial choice of Asari and Human, then reveal it later that it's Shepard's kid or something. If they want a lighter story then go the space pirate route or rogue arm of the new military since the galaxy should still be rebuilding after the reaper invasion. If they want new aliens then have a colony ship of aliens from Andromeda drop in on the Milky Way instead. I can't imagine the clusterfuck of paranoia that would cause after the Reapers.
Right now, I don't care at all about Andromeda, the aliens are weak, the setting is dull, and I don't care if the AI succeeds or fail.
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Post by xassantex on May 12, 2017 14:41:52 GMT
We'll never know what might have been better . A new character is fine with me. The "idea" of Andromeda is ok, just as many other possibilities would have been alright too, like a prequel , or a post ME3 with wars between various factions due to limited resources, could have taken place on Earth or including other worlds etc. But what we've got has potential if the approach changes.
The problem is with the writing .
I don't even see anything wrong with the nature of the protagonist : young, inexperienced, learning as he/she goes. But it might have been better if as the game progresses we could "build" Ryder , aka Paragon/Renegade or some in between variations . So Ryder could become a ruthless, tough , stoic character as he/she goes through numerous ordeals, duties, tragedies, tough choices and so on. Or a more humane, wiser, forgiving maybe a bit fatalistic figure. Sheppard could be one or the other but he already "was" like that while we would have to gradually evolve Ryder .
Kett are ridiculous and we're stuck with the same ol' ascension through destruction. They could at least have been vorcha comical " Kett don't liiike youuuuu !" .
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 14:47:23 GMT
yeah, but they have changed lore and race appearances on the fly in dragon Age with every game, so it's not like they can't do it. Advance timeline a little, and who knows what Andromeda is like and what's the major conflict there now. Besides, who said that Remnant is not the main villain, and whoever put the scourge on was not Andromeda's own heroic Commander Shepard-like character.
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Post by brandoftime on May 12, 2017 14:47:33 GMT
It would have been fun to do similar to ME2 opening, have ME4 take place where Shepard is lying on the ground right before ascending to the Citadel. Real tense fast paced start. Finish dealing with Reapers, real boss fight, not f*ingMauarader Shields And no Space Kid. Have awesome reunion with crew post battle, save Earth. Everything's great - Then start next story a few years later w/ dark energy problem as outlined by Drew Karpyshyn who left. This was hinted at in Codex. Game proceeds from this initial threat with new story and enemies. Why not do this? It would side step the pile they've been in for 5 years, and with something like the Dragon Keep to make a save state in, all choices would matter. Who'da thunk?
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Post by projectpatdc on May 12, 2017 14:57:49 GMT
I don't think going to Andromeda was the issue. If you don't like the story or the writing, you probably would not like the story for ME4 because main guys who worked the OT are gone.
Mass Effect will never be exactly like the OT ever again, and that's a good thing. We already had three games. ME1 was great, ME2 had great story and characters but terrible level design, and ME3 had decent combat but the rest was shit.
MEA tried to be a greatest hits like the Force Awakens was for Star Wars which is what made it polarizing in the end.
But yes it benefitted the franchise. What didn't benefit the franchise was EA's arrogance and the decision to deny an delay leading to an unfinished, unpolished game to ship. If it had been shipped in June, we wouldn't be having this discussion (if this was after June).some people would have bitches about the writing, sure, but there would have been higher reviews that would lead to higher sales
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Post by commandercryptarch on May 12, 2017 15:00:24 GMT
Andromeda could have been a m a z i n g. I truly believed it until the last minute. By playing it safe they made this new galaxy WAY TOO familiar from the planets to the aliens, they reused many ideas and they drew many character and story parallels. (We need 2 humans, 1 asari, 1 krogan etc. Etc.) and story parallels. Andromeda is not bad,it is just not compelling enough ,at least for me. At this point I'd accept anything else than the game we got. Hell, I'd accept some cheesy and contrived explanation that Shepard managed to get his/her conciousness in a synthetic body at this point. Not because I miss Shepard, but because I found MEA s story so underwhelming and "meh" I don't necessarily miss specific elements of the trilogy like the location or the protagonist or the supporting characters. I miss the feelings the trilogy made me feel.I miss the excitement.Don't know how else to put it. ...and to reply to my own question.Did the moving on benefit the franchise? Yes ,but the mediocre product nullified that beneficial effect.If that makes any sense.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 15:02:15 GMT
Moved on? Moved on? With the amount of bitching over no Shepard and comparing everyone and thing to the MET, hardly anyone moved on. MEA is my fav in the series now and it's been torn to shreds for some of the dumbest reasons! Moved on? Ha!
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Post by Ahriman on May 12, 2017 15:02:54 GMT
I've wondered if the game had released in exactly this consition, minus the name 'Bioware' in the credits, if the backlash would have been as nasty. If say, 'Bethesda' had been on the logo, people tend to forgive them for bugs, y'know, like the 'I lost 300 hours on Skyrim due to save game corruption, crashing in Riften 100 percent of the time?' kind of bugs. BW came back into the scene still smoking from the ME3 ending nightmare. They might have been better to take the hiatus then, and re think the series at that time, not now with a whole new story arc, questions and lingering story (Quarians) now up in the air. Well, and if you have slapped CDPR logo on it, we'd have retorts about everything that is now considered a design flaw in the vein "it's the lore, stupid, and that's how they do things in their greatness, the game's a revelation, and if you don't think so you are a f***g moron." That's some bitter denial here. Sure thing, it would score 95/100 if not for a bunch of Bioware haters.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 15:03:34 GMT
Andromeda could have been a m a z i n g. I truly believed it until the last minute. By playing it safe they made this new galaxy WAY TOO familiar from the planets to the aliens, they reused many ideas and they drew many character and story parallels. (We need 2 humans, 1 asari, 1 krogan etc. Etc.) and story parallels. Andromeda is not bad,it is just not compelling enough ,at least for me. At this point I'd accept anything else than the game we got. Hell, I'd accept some cheesy and contrived explanation that Shepard managed to get his/her conciousness in a synthetic body at this point. Not because I miss Shepard, but because I found MEA s story so underwhelming and "meh" I don't necessarily miss specific elements of the trilogy like the location or the protagonist or the supporting characters. I miss the feelings the trilogy made me feel.I miss the excitement.Don't know how else to put it. ...and to reply to my own question.Did the moving on benefit the franchise? Yes ,but the mediocre product nullified that beneficial effect.If that makes any sense. Of course it makes sense. You did not like the game. You were disappointed after a few years of waiting, and want something else instead.
But it makes no less sense that I've liked it, am having a blast second time through it, and was not disappointed at all, so I want more of the same or in the same vein.
With every new game, we all crave a player gamegasm. I've been through this cycle for twenty years since BG2 was announced. Sometimes, it doesn't happen, doesn't click, no matter what. Sometimes you come around and start getting used to a game and kindda liking it. Sometimes you fall for it the moment the opening credits stop and your character opens his or her mouth.
The REAL issue is that we simply do not get enough games in that vein so people can play something new that they like. All of us, young and old, girl and boy, crone and old man, libertarian and conservative, penned into one release every 2 to 4 years. How can we all love it, particularly when we already have divergent opinions cultivated during 10 previous years over MET itself?
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Post by blueasari on May 12, 2017 15:03:56 GMT
Andromeda could have been a m a z i n g. I truly believed it until the last minute. By playing it safe they made this new galaxy WAY TOO familiar from the planets to the aliens, they reused many ideas and they drew many character and story parallels. (We need 2 humans, 1 asari, 1 krogan etc. Etc.) and story parallels. Andromeda is not bad,it is just not compelling enough ,at least for me. At this point I'd accept anything else than the game we got. Hell, I'd accept some cheesy and contrived explanation that Shepard managed to get his/her conciousness in a synthetic body at this point. Not because I miss Shepard, but because I found MEA s story so underwhelming and "meh" I don't necessarily miss specific elements of the trilogy like the location or the protagonist or the supporting characters. I miss the feelings the trilogy made me feel.I miss the excitement.Don't know how else to put it....and to reply to my own question.Did the moving on benefit the franchise? Yes ,but the mediocre product nullified that beneficial effect.If that makes any sense. That is what at heart I did not get from Andromeda, well said.
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Post by commandercryptarch on May 12, 2017 15:09:08 GMT
It would have been fun to do similar to ME2 opening, have ME4 take place where Shepard is lying on the ground right before ascending to the Citadel. Real tense fast paced start. Finish dealing with Reapers, real boss fight, not f*ingMauarader Shields And no Space Kid. Have awesome reunion with crew post battle, save Earth. Everything's great - Then start next story a few years later w/ dark energy problem as outlined by Drew Karpyshyn who left. This was hinted at in Codex. Game proceeds from this initial threat with new story and enemies. Why not do this? It would side step the pile they've been in for 5 years, and with something like the Dragon Keep to make a save state in, all choices would matter. Who'da thunk? I once had the exact same idea. No need to release a rewritten ME3, but instead have ME4 introduction be the last sequence of ME3.That would be cool.But that would never happen.
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Post by blueasari on May 12, 2017 15:10:39 GMT
It would have been fun to do similar to ME2 opening, have ME4 take place where Shepard is lying on the ground right before ascending to the Citadel. Real tense fast paced start. Finish dealing with Reapers, real boss fight, not f*ingMauarader Shields And no Space Kid. Have awesome reunion with crew post battle, save Earth. Everything's great - Then start next story a few years later w/ dark energy problem as outlined by Drew Karpyshyn who left. This was hinted at in Codex. Game proceeds from this initial threat with new story and enemies. Why not do this? It would side step the pile they've been in for 5 years, and with something like the Dragon Keep to make a save state in, all choices would matter. Who'da thunk? I once had the exact same idea. No need to release a rewritten ME3, but instead have ME4 introduction be the last sequence of ME3.That would be cool.But that would never happen. Never say never, who knows mate.
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Post by alanc9 on May 12, 2017 15:11:00 GMT
How could more Shepard have even worked. The cumulative divergent choices were unworkable even before we got to the ending.
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Post by Gwydden on May 12, 2017 15:11:33 GMT
I've wondered if the game had released in exactly this consition, minus the name 'Bioware' in the credits, if the backlash would have been as nasty. If say, 'Bethesda' had been on the logo, people tend to forgive them for bugs, y'know, like the 'I lost 300 hours on Skyrim due to save game corruption, crashing in Riften 100 percent of the time?' kind of bugs. BW came back into the scene still smoking from the ME3 ending nightmare. They might have been better to take the hiatus then, and re think the series at that time, not now with a whole new story arc, questions and lingering story (Quarians) now up in the air. That is not a fair comparison. People play Bethesda games for very different reasons. If ME:A had been released under the Bethesda logo, chances are people would have said it is a crappy open world game and Skyrim was much better, or some such thing.
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Post by decafhigh on May 12, 2017 15:12:08 GMT
I once had the exact same idea. No need to release a rewritten ME3, but instead have ME4 introduction be the last sequence of ME3.That would be cool.But that would never happen. Never say never, who knows mate. So long as Mac is in charge it won't happen. After MEA who knows if that will be the case or not.
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Post by kino on May 12, 2017 15:12:32 GMT
See, I saw something completely different from some of the fan base. They weren't ready to "move on". They were still carrying a grudge, whether from the ME3 ending or something else.
Maybe if BioWare had made ME:A smaller and more linear, like the original trilogy, some people might have enjoyed it more...but most likely not.
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