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Post by projectpatdc on May 12, 2017 15:30:02 GMT
Someone someday will make an MEA2. MEA will end up being cult classic in video games. Just watch. After all the games' bugs are fixed and the holidays hit, people will pick it up for cheap having never played a mass effect. New weird, nerdy fans will be born. Sure, in the same way that Trolls 2 is a cult classic actually that's not fair, there is some dialogue I can stand in Trolls 2how is the dialogue bad? or rather any worse than the old games. The OT's dialogue could be pretty dull
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Post by Steelcan on May 12, 2017 15:32:18 GMT
We didn't move on in game though. The whole game is just callbacks to the OT in regards to gameplay, thematic material, and story elements. The nomad is the mako, but worse Planet scanning is back, but worse Cora is Miranda, but worse Drack is Wrex, but worse Vetra is Garrus, but worse Liam is Jacob, but I guess slightly better the Remnant are the Protheans, but worse throughout Andromeda there is nothing comparable to ME2's cinematography, ME3's best story points, or ME1's world building. It is just an all around disappointing game. It's the first game in a new series, with new players who never touched MET. It's not made for just us oldies. It's natural for new gamers to learn of them by having them in it. I'm betting it would get better with each game if people tried harder to give it a chance. It's a saga they wanted, not a trilogy. Well then the entire marketing of the game as a throwback to the sense of exploration that "made" ME1 was for new people? There's a reason they brought back the mako, and it wasn't to bring in new fans. There's not a lot in the game that I think will improve with new titles. Sure maybe the technical flaws will ease up, but Andromeda failed in many aspects, its unfortuante that the technical issues are what is hogging the attention and not the horrendous fan fiction writing, bland world and level design (with a few exceptions), no real choice and consequence system, innumerable fetch quests, and so on.
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Post by kino on May 12, 2017 15:32:31 GMT
See, I saw something completely different from some of the fan base. They weren't ready to "move on". They were still carrying a grudge, whether from the ME3 ending or something else. Maybe if BioWare had made ME:A smaller and more linear, like the original trilogy, some people might have enjoyed it more...but most likely not. It's more likely that people would have bitched about it not being open world, because Witcher 3 had an open world. Yeah, that is the far more likely scenario.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 15:32:32 GMT
Stop this shit. Seriously. All of this is based on one poorly written blog where where the writer jumps to conclusions. Also most gaming companies always move people around at the end of a completed game and keep some for DLC. Why would you keep them there doing nothing when you could put them on other things that are up and coming? It would be idiotic and a poor business tactic. This is the official statement which that article manages to put in at the very end of it in order to maintain some level of journalistic integrity that is based in fact and not wild speculation. A link to the article is added below. Please read the whole thing and not just the first few paragraphs. You will see with some applied logic skills that the writer leaps to some conclusions that are not even remotely true based on EA's own statement. kotaku.com/sources-bioware-montreal-downsized-mass-effect-put-on-1795100285Umm..Chill, dude?? I used the word "unclear" for a reason. Unclear as in we don't really know what the future holds for the ME franchise ,whether good or bad. Unclear, as in we know there are many rumours around which we don't know are true or false. Geez. With the front page covered with everyone speculating about the death of the franchise and people who are still interested in DLC being concerned and even bummed that they won't be getting DLC that they want, I don't think you are helping matters. Throwing in the word 'unclear' doesn't make it okay that you just basically spent a whole post implying the end of the franchise directly or indirectly. Unclear doesn't fix that and even in this reply you have to lean heavily on 'we really don't know what the future holds' which is the same as we knew when MEA was released. But you seem to want to create a bunch of negative commentary here implying that it could be the end like all the other shit posts that have been going on since that wannabe relevant click bait blog published its statement. If ever there were 'fake news' that would be it. That you are now getting in the mix of the rumor mill and adding more speculation without contributing any kind of new facts makes you part of the problem.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 15:34:19 GMT
No I understood, but based on the reception from many, many don't care about anything but MET ver 2. I think if people would have given MEA a chance, it could have been even better in future games. All I'm seeing is the game intentionally targeted for past aggression or vengeance over the ME3 ending, and the original forums closing, which many have admitted when commenting on articles. We did move on in-game, now if only some fans would. Also this is what I was talking about: "I remember most fans just wanting to "move on" and eagerly leave everyone and everything we knew in the past. New stories, new characters,new adventures and a whole new setting ,while others felt the franchise should have continued somehow with Shepard." Half the ones who wanted to move on, turned right back around and complained once it came out. The same people who said Shepard was over, suddenly wanted Shepard back. We didn't move on in game though. The whole game is just callbacks to the OT in regards to gameplay, thematic material, and story elements. The nomad is the mako, but worse Planet scanning is back, but worse Cora is Miranda, but worse Drack is Wrex, but worse Vetra is Garrus, but worse Liam is Jacob, but I guess slightly better the Remnant are the Protheans, but worse throughout Andromeda there is nothing comparable to ME2's cinematography, ME3's best story points, or ME1's world building. It is just an all around disappointing game.
Heh, I actually find all of the listed similarities to be an improvement on the original. Nomad is AWESOME and I go YAY! boarding it, instead of feeling terrible dread every time the game forced me into the Mako sequence, Cora is really likable unlike that boring sister-touting bitch Miranda, Planet scanning is the same fun, Drack is cooler than Wrex because he has more to talk about than whine about genophage non-stop, Vetra is more interesting than Garrus and a cool sis (yes, I am one female who did not swoon over Garrus) and Liam is a pinnacle of handsomeness and manly allure compared to Jacob. To add to it, PeeBee is PeeBee, not some AU Liara that starts with fainting every five minutes then turns into a tough criminal mastermind.
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Post by Steelcan on May 12, 2017 15:34:36 GMT
Sure, in the same way that Trolls 2 is a cult classic actually that's not fair, there is some dialogue I can stand in Trolls 2how is the dialogue bad? or rather any worse than the old games. The OT's dialogue could be pretty dull True, and I've long maintained that BioWare's reputation for clever writing is inflated at least. But overall I think the trilogy's writing is superior. Mordin, Legion, and Wrex all stand out in terms of their writing quality and delivery (though really starting with ME2). I won't say the original trilogy is free from cringe inducing writing, but its not so damn omnipresent as it is in ME:A. Every other world out of Liam's mouth needs to be rewritten, the villain is laughably one dimensional, most other characters fall into cliche rapidly.
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Post by Steelcan on May 12, 2017 15:36:19 GMT
We didn't move on in game though. The whole game is just callbacks to the OT in regards to gameplay, thematic material, and story elements. The nomad is the mako, but worse Planet scanning is back, but worse Cora is Miranda, but worse Drack is Wrex, but worse Vetra is Garrus, but worse Liam is Jacob, but I guess slightly better the Remnant are the Protheans, but worse throughout Andromeda there is nothing comparable to ME2's cinematography, ME3's best story points, or ME1's world building. It is just an all around disappointing game.
Heh, I actually find all of the listed similarities to be an improvement on the original. Nomad is awesome, Cora is really likable unlike that boring sister-touting bitch Miranda, Planet scanning is the same fun, Drack is cooler than Wrex because he has more to talk about than whine about genophage non-stop, Vetra is more interesting than Garrus and a cool sis (yes, I am one female who did not swoon over Garrus) and Liam is a pinnacle of handsomeness and manly allure compared to Jacob. To add to it, PeeBee is PeeBee, not some AU Liara that starts with fainting every five minutes then turns into a tough criminal mastermind.
If Gil was a male Quarian to upgrade on Tali, that would have been super.
we must have played two different games
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It's the first game in a new series, with new players who never touched MET. It's not made for just us oldies. It's natural for new gamers to learn of them by having them in it. I'm betting it would get better with each game if people tried harder to give it a chance. It's a saga they wanted, not a trilogy. Well then the entire marketing of the game as a throwback to the sense of exploration that "made" ME1 was for new people? There's a reason they brought back the mako, and it wasn't to bring in new fans. There's not a lot in the game that I think will improve with new titles. Sure maybe the technical flaws will ease up, but Andromeda failed in many aspects, its unfortuante that the technical issues are what is hogging the attention and not the horrendous fan fiction writing, bland world and level design (with a few exceptions), no real choice and consequence system, innumerable fetch quests, and so on. In regards to your comparisons post, it's weird people say this. I only just got into MET in 2016 and MEA felt nothing like it except for intentional reminiscence on certain planets. I thought Liam would be Kaidan and he's nothing like him, same with Cora. She's not Ash or Miranda. I spent hours getting to know the MET cast, same with MEA. There's no copies imo. Liam is open and emotional, Jacob is a rock. I see nothing the same but skin color and that's not a good way to compare people. Oh and during MEA development people begged for the Mako, so we got the Nomad. It's amazing how the more BW gives, the more people demand. Like DA2. Not open word enough, copied locations, DAI too open, missing DA2's repeated levels.
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Post by Steelcan on May 12, 2017 15:42:27 GMT
Well then the entire marketing of the game as a throwback to the sense of exploration that "made" ME1 was for new people? There's a reason they brought back the mako, and it wasn't to bring in new fans. There's not a lot in the game that I think will improve with new titles. Sure maybe the technical flaws will ease up, but Andromeda failed in many aspects, its unfortuante that the technical issues are what is hogging the attention and not the horrendous fan fiction writing, bland world and level design (with a few exceptions), no real choice and consequence system, innumerable fetch quests, and so on. It's weird people say this. I only just got into MET in 2016 and MEA felt nothing like it except for intentional reminiscence on certain planets. I thought Liam would be Kaidan and he's nothing like him, same with Cora. She's not Ash or Miranda. I spent hours getting to know the MET cast, same with MEA. There's no copies imo. Liam is open and emotional, Jacob is a rock. I see nothing the same but skin color and that's not a good way to compare people. Oh and during MEA development people begged for the Mako, so we got the Nomad. It's amazing how the more BW gives, the more people demand. Like DA2. Not open word enough, copied locations, DAI too open, missing DA2's repeated levels. You're right, Kaidan actually managed to have interesting content after three games, perhaps Liam will follow suit, but right now he's squarely at the bottom. Cora is such a rip off of Miranda they didn't even try coming up with new concept art for her, just took one of the rejected designs from Miranda and added in asari love. There's nothing original with the characters here. Vetra's overriding concern is....looking out for her kid sister, haven't seen that before, Drack is ... too old for this shit... Peebee is ....an asari archaeologist interested in the civilization that left behind technologically advanced ruins, but less virgin bait
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Post by commandercryptarch on May 12, 2017 15:42:28 GMT
Umm..Chill, dude?? I used the word "unclear" for a reason. Unclear as in we don't really know what the future holds for the ME franchise ,whether good or bad. Unclear, as in we know there are many rumours around which we don't know are true or false. Geez. With the front page covered with everyone speculating about the death of the franchise and people who are still interested in DLC being concerned and even bummed that they won't be getting DLC that they want, I don't think you are helping matters. Throwing in the word 'unclear' doesn't make it okay that you just basically spent a whole post implying the end of the franchise directly or indirectly. Unclear doesn't fix that and even in this reply you have to lean heavily on 'we really don't know what the future holds' which is the same as we knew when MEA was released. But you seem to want to create a bunch of negative commentary here implying that it could be the end like all the other shit posts that have been going on since that wannabe relevant click bait blog published its statement. If ever there were 'fake news' that would be it. That you are now getting in the mix of the rumor mill and adding more speculation without contributing any kind of new facts makes you part of the problem. What are you drinking? Seriously, I need it. Anyways, to anyone reading this thread I want to clarify this .My thread has to do with whether fans think the story moving on to a new setting was beneficial or not after all. I didn't create this post to generate any negativity or whatever conspiracy theory this person claims my post to be.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 12, 2017 15:43:04 GMT
Well, I guess with not really knowing what BioWare is actually going to do, it's hard to say what benefits what right now. The only thing truly benefitting at the moment is Kotaku. It's diabolical I tells ya.
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how is the dialogue bad? or rather any worse than the old games. The OT's dialogue could be pretty dull True, and I've long maintained that BioWare's reputation for clever writing is inflated at least. But overall I think the trilogy's writing is superior. Mordin, Legion, and Wrex all stand out in terms of their writing quality and delivery (though really starting with ME2). I won't say the original trilogy is free from cringe inducing writing, but its not so damn omnipresent as it is in ME:A. Every other world out of Liam's mouth needs to be rewritten, the villain is laughably one dimensional, most other characters fall into cliche rapidly. It is omnipresent in ME1. ME2 had way better characters, writing and was much darker with only ocassional "Heavy Risks.... but the price.." ME1 is really cringe worthy and cheesy. Which gave it's charme. That's why Andromeda is so cheesy, it's heavily based on ME1 and not the whole Trilogy.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 15:44:41 GMT
It's weird people say this. I only just got into MET in 2016 and MEA felt nothing like it except for intentional reminiscence on certain planets. I thought Liam would be Kaidan and he's nothing like him, same with Cora. She's not Ash or Miranda. I spent hours getting to know the MET cast, same with MEA. There's no copies imo. Liam is open and emotional, Jacob is a rock. I see nothing the same but skin color and that's not a good way to compare people. Oh and during MEA development people begged for the Mako, so we got the Nomad. It's amazing how the more BW gives, the more people demand. Like DA2. Not open word enough, copied locations, DAI too open, missing DA2's repeated levels. You're right, Kaidan actually managed to have interesting content after three games, perhaps Liam will follow suit, but right now he's squarely at the bottom. Cora is such a rip off of Miranda they didn't even try coming up with new concept art for her, just took one of the rejected designs from Miranda and added in asari love. There's nothing original with the characters here. Vetra's overriding concern is....looking out for her kid sister, haven't seen that before, Drack is ... too old for this shit... Peebee is ....an asari archaeologist interested in the civilization that left behind technologically advanced ruins, but less virgin bait We agree to disagree then, and that's cool! I just felt everyone in MET and MEA were their own person, especially after getting to know them and exhausting all the dialogue options and taking them on missions and listening to their banter.
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Post by projectpatdc on May 12, 2017 15:46:38 GMT
But no Nomad Weapons or actual hostile vehicles or rather any other vehicles besides shuttles. Isn't it a little weird that no one ever drives the land vehicles in this game. The lack of dynamic characters, vehicles and props is my biggest complaint
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 15:46:38 GMT
Heh, I actually find all of the listed similarities to be an improvement on the original. Nomad is awesome, Cora is really likable unlike that boring sister-touting bitch Miranda, Planet scanning is the same fun, Drack is cooler than Wrex because he has more to talk about than whine about genophage non-stop, Vetra is more interesting than Garrus and a cool sis (yes, I am one female who did not swoon over Garrus) and Liam is a pinnacle of handsomeness and manly allure compared to Jacob. To add to it, PeeBee is PeeBee, not some AU Liara that starts with fainting every five minutes then turns into a tough criminal mastermind.
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we must have played two different games No, we have played the same game, but we are two different people.
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Post by Steelcan on May 12, 2017 15:46:58 GMT
True, and I've long maintained that BioWare's reputation for clever writing is inflated at least. But overall I think the trilogy's writing is superior. Mordin, Legion, and Wrex all stand out in terms of their writing quality and delivery (though really starting with ME2). I won't say the original trilogy is free from cringe inducing writing, but its not so damn omnipresent as it is in ME:A. Every other world out of Liam's mouth needs to be rewritten, the villain is laughably one dimensional, most other characters fall into cliche rapidly. It is omnipresent in ME1. ME2 had way better characters, writing and was much darker with only ocassional "Heavy Risks.... but the price.." ME1 is really cringe worthy and cheesy. Which gave it's charme. That's why Andromeda is so cheesy, it's heavily based on ME1 and not the whole Trilogy. to be fair I really am speaking of the dialogue in ME2 and 3, ME1's is indeed not great. I think Andromeda is cheesy because the writers responsible for it aren't that good, I don't think it was intended to be nearly as cheesy as it came out as.
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Post by commandercryptarch on May 12, 2017 15:49:54 GMT
With the future of Mass Effect being a bit unclear because of Mass Effect Andromeda, I started thinking about all the moments leading up to the release of MEA. I remember most fans just wanting to "move on" and eagerly leave everyone and everything we knew in the past. New stories, new characters,new adventures and a whole new setting ,while others felt the franchise should have continued somehow with Shepard. I know , MEA' s failings have less to do with its setting and more to do with a myriad other things,but I wanted to open a discussion for fans to talk about their opinions on whether the departure to a spin-off was better or worse than making an actual sequel. Yes, a sequel (ME4) would mean rewriting the endinds of ME3 and that wouldn't be feasible anyway. However, having seen and played Mass Effect Andromeda ,would anyone have preferred a ME4 with Shepard instead of what we got, afterall? Just a hypothetical question. My humble opinion is that the franchise is so rich and ripe for stories we could have gotten both. If only,Bioware had planned it better. Feel free to discuss. Quoting my OP to further avoid misunderstandings as some people think I am somehow intending to be negative,or proclaim Bioware dead or I am a hater or whatever they want to think.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 15:51:40 GMT
It is omnipresent in ME1. ME2 had way better characters, writing and was much darker with only ocassional "Heavy Risks.... but the price.." ME1 is really cringe worthy and cheesy. Which gave it's charme. That's why Andromeda is so cheesy, it's heavily based on ME1 and not the whole Trilogy. to be fair I really am speaking of the dialogue in ME2 and 3, ME1's is indeed not great. I think Andromeda is cheesy because the writers responsible for it aren't that good, I don't think it was intended to be nearly as cheesy as it came out as. I'm going to just put this out there as my personal opinion as it's not 100% fact, but MEA is a 2017 game, ME3 was a 2012 game. Humor and story enjoyment has changed overtime and what some find lame or cheesy might be what the new generation likes. I can't even watch TV today because of how horrible some of the scripts are, but many new kids love it.
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Post by darkway1 on May 12, 2017 15:52:19 GMT
At the end of the day Andromeda is just more Mass Effect minus all the luggage,the different planets,the different factions,the different races all offer a wealth of story potential for future Mass Effect games,so yeah,Andromeda has set up a nice foundation that's worth expanding.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 15:53:50 GMT
It is omnipresent in ME1. ME2 had way better characters, writing and was much darker with only ocassional "Heavy Risks.... but the price.." ME1 is really cringe worthy and cheesy. Which gave it's charme. That's why Andromeda is so cheesy, it's heavily based on ME1 and not the whole Trilogy. to be fair I really am speaking of the dialogue in ME2 and 3, ME1's is indeed not great. I think Andromeda is cheesy because the writers responsible for it aren't that good, I don't think it was intended to be nearly as cheesy as it came out as. And I think it was along the lines of my favorite game dialogues in BG2, Jade Empire and DA2. It's funny, sparkly, memorable and well-voiced. It manages to convey the backstories through short banters and quick messages rather than laborious info-dumps. It's pretty good. now, cutscene movement and animations are not as good as in Inquisition. But writing? Entertaining and easy on the ears during the scenery stuff, and serious when need be if you want during the story. It's exactly how I like it in video games.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on May 12, 2017 15:56:23 GMT
Not at all. I still feel disenchanted on Mass Effect and that all started with 3.
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Post by Steelcan on May 12, 2017 15:56:28 GMT
to be fair I really am speaking of the dialogue in ME2 and 3, ME1's is indeed not great. I think Andromeda is cheesy because the writers responsible for it aren't that good, I don't think it was intended to be nearly as cheesy as it came out as. And I think it was along the lines of my favorite game dialogues in BG2, Jade Empire and DA2. It's funny, sparkly, memorable and well-voiced. It manages to convey the backstories through short banters and quick messages rather than laborious info-dumps. It's pretty good. now, cutscene movement and animations are not as good as in Inquisition. But writing? Entertaining and easy on the ears during the scenery stuff, and serious when need be if you want during the story. It's exactly how I like it in video games.
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And I think it was along the lines of my favorite game dialogues in BG2, Jade Empire and DA2. It's funny, sparkly, memorable and well-voiced. It manages to convey the backstories through short banters and quick messages rather than laborious info-dumps. It's pretty good. now, cutscene movement and animations are not as good as in Inquisition. But writing? Entertaining and easy on the ears during the scenery stuff, and serious when need be if you want during the story. It's exactly how I like it in video games. Again, again and again, we simply need more games, more often in this genre, so everyone could find their favourites for lore and writing style, and we did not have to wait four years for each title and then all expect different things from it. Then you could play another ME3 with long dream sequences of stumbling through mist, and Shepard talking long, long and dark, and I can play a romp with a cocky smart Alec cracking jokes. Unless I wanted a shot of angst. We can pick movies like that, but with so few games.... it sucks.
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Post by commandercryptarch on May 12, 2017 16:06:17 GMT
Well, I guess with not really knowing what BioWare is actually going to do, it's hard to say what benefits what right now. The only thing truly benefitting at the moment is Kotaku. It's diabolical I tells ya. Screw Kotaku, I didn't even give them a click.Whatever I learnt, I read on this forum. Anyway, whatever happens...I just don't want to see ME gone .Mass Effect is Bioware's baby, they won't abandon it.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 12, 2017 16:09:20 GMT
Well, I guess with not really knowing what BioWare is actually going to do, it's hard to say what benefits what right now. The only thing truly benefitting at the moment is Kotaku. It's diabolical I tells ya. Screw Kotaku, I didn't even give them a click.Whatever I learnt, I read on this forum. Anyway, whatever happens...I just don't want to see ME gone .Mass Effect is Bioware's baby, they won't abandon it. That's exactly what EA has said. It's even mentioned in the silly Kotaku article. Earlier this week on an earnings call, Electronic Arts CEO Andrew Wilson told investors that the publisher is “very happy with how BioWare is doing, how BioWare is treating Mass Effect. And our expectations for Mass Effect are still strong for the future and the franchise overall.”
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