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Post by KaiserShep on May 12, 2017 20:33:00 GMT
Well, thanks! Now, we have "sandbox" in the mix too. Yeah leave it to KS to muddle us more ! Ain't I a stinker.
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Post by xetykins on May 12, 2017 20:57:50 GMT
I think it is a semi open world, there is certainly bazilion times more exploration than the OT. And didn't they advertise it as Open World? I was on complete radio silence cuz I wasnted to go in blind. Anyway, I was just explaining why open world is not THAT important to most people. BW didn't, actually. They used the term "open zones" to describe both DA:I and ME:A. It's technically a more accurate term as applied to both those game, I think, than open world. They're going to lose the open world argument every time when compared to games like Skyrim and I believe they know that. Which is why I said it is a semi open world.
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Post by Kabraxal on May 12, 2017 21:01:38 GMT
I'm hoping Bioware is the one to move on and leave the "fans" clinging to the OT in the past blubbering about Shepard. They said from day one that Shepard was only going to be in three games.
Get. Over. It.
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Post by xetykins on May 12, 2017 21:02:01 GMT
I think this game was doa if I'm being honest with myself. There was no way this game was going to live up to the hype people had for this game or be as loved as the OT. Some of it is because of the flaws this game has and some is just because some fans refuse to let go of Shepard and his crew. Bioware should have just remastered the OT and ended ME right there. Why? You can turn off the markers in TW3 as well. What makes them more open world than the other? Elder Scrolls and Fallout games are one huge map. The Witcher 3 is closer to DAI but on a bigger scale. Ah so it is the number of maps no matter how big and free it is makes it not an open world. Alright.
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Post by Iakus on May 12, 2017 21:18:04 GMT
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 12, 2017 21:18:24 GMT
With the future of Mass Effect being a bit unclear because of Mass Effect Andromeda, I started thinking about all the moments leading up to the release of MEA. I remember most fans just wanting to "move on" and eagerly leave everyone and everything we knew in the past. New stories, new characters,new adventures and a whole new setting ,while others felt the franchise should have continued somehow with Shepard. I know , MEA' s failings have less to do with its setting and more to do with a myriad other things,but I wanted to open a discussion for fans to talk about their opinions on whether the departure to a spin-off was better or worse than making an actual sequel. Yes, a sequel (ME4) would mean rewriting the endinds of ME3 and that wouldn't be feasible anyway. However, having seen and played Mass Effect Andromeda ,would anyone have preferred a ME4 with Shepard instead of what we got, afterall? Just a hypothetical question. My humble opinion is that the franchise is so rich and ripe for stories we could have gotten both. If only,Bioware had planned it better. Feel free to discuss. The whole Andromeda initiative was a perfect idea. It was executed poorly. It wasn't given enough love and care. Period. Bioware came up short and tried to cover its failings leading up to launch with the worst marketing solution ever presented in recent memory. EA really needs to fire their marketing department that ran the Andromeda campaign. All they did was give the competition all the tools necessary to make comparison videos. And they will. It will be disguised as articles sponsored by the game they're promoting. "Unlike Andromeda, we have this... Unlike Andromeda, we have that... " Dummies. Waste of payroll.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 12, 2017 21:19:35 GMT
..... You can agree or disagree with me, but this is my personal opinion and I stay with that. Overall I agree. I don't think moving to Andromeda is what did this game in, so to speak. Technical issues and some very questionable design choices (dialogue and the CC in particular for me) are what really hurt the game. The premise was as solid as it could be while still being a part of the ME series. It was just the execution of it that was lacking.DAMN RIGHT. DAMN SKIPPY.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 12, 2017 21:21:36 GMT
It's the first game in a new series, with new players who never touched MET. It's not made for just us oldies. It's natural for new gamers to learn of them by having them in it. I'm betting it would get better with each game if people tried harder to give it a chance. It's a saga they wanted, not a trilogy. Well then the entire marketing of the game as a throwback to the sense of exploration that "made" ME1 was for new people? There's a reason they brought back the mako, and it wasn't to bring in new fans. There's not a lot in the game that I think will improve with new titles. Sure maybe the technical flaws will ease up, but Andromeda failed in many aspects , its unfortuante that the technical issues are what is hogging the attention and not the horrendous fan fiction writing, bland world and level design (with a few exceptions), no real choice and consequence system, innumerable fetch quests, and so on.Damn right. However, even the bland writing would've gotten a pass during the hype window of the game if it wasn't freakin' broken at launch.
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Post by dagless on May 12, 2017 21:22:56 GMT
I would have left Shepard behind but stayed in the Milky Way.
I don't really understand the argument that the endings made it "impossible" to deal with. Plenty of games before have had multiple endings and canonized one of them. IMO it doesn't detract from "your story", even assuming you only played it one way. You just pick up in an alternative timeline where things were different.
Does having one canon ending make your previous games anymore meaningless than moving a couple of million light years away and never mentioning them ever again?
Take what Firaxis did with XCom. XCom: Enemy Unknown had one ending to deal with. A pretty standard ending really, with nothing complicated. Did they pick up the story there? Oh no, they decided that for XCom 2, you didn't complete the first game at all. You lost about a third of the way through. The rationale being that many people lost the game several times before beating it, but mainly because they thought it would be interesting to play in a world where you lost. And it works. I both saw off the alien invasion and recaptured the planet.
If you need more justification for a "parallel universe" cannon ending, it's not a big problem in a sci-fi game with FTL travel. It would simple enough to start the story with your character traveling through a relay when they overloaded and dumping you in a universe where whatever they like happened. Far easier to explain than what they did.
Edit: I'm not saying they necessarily made the wrong choice. I'm just saying that they did have a choice. There was no need to "run away" from the endings as many have said.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 12, 2017 21:24:01 GMT
I'm one of those folks that likes MEA, and accepting it for what it is. This is the first one, of possibly a trilogy (we'll see), what MET has 10yrs to grow on us. Although Shepard's story is done, far as we know, I could leave it there, or perhaps enjoy another Shep story, perhaps the early years leading up to, and including rise to N7 status. I'm using the nomad as cover. Thank you for that suggestion. (Unrelated to current topic, but since you're here. Gotcha!)
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Post by n7ltrobbiesann7 on May 12, 2017 21:30:14 GMT
I'm one of those folks that likes MEA, and accepting it for what it is. This is the first one, of possibly a trilogy (we'll see), what MET has 10yrs to grow on us. Although Shepard's story is done, far as we know, I could leave it there, or perhaps enjoy another Shep story, perhaps the early years leading up to, and including rise to N7 status. I'm using the nomad as cover. Thank you for that suggestion. (Unrelated to current topic, but since you're here. Gotcha!) Lol very welcome.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 21:33:36 GMT
As many people have already commented, the issue is with people who simply have refused to move on... and romoving all doubt is the fact that this is yet another OP basically telling Bioware to rewrite the ME3 ending.
Moving on would be just letting it go... what's done is done... ME3 is what it is.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 21:43:39 GMT
I would have left Shepard behind but stayed in the Milky Way. I don't really understand the argument that the endings made it "impossible" to deal with. Plenty of games before have had multiple endings and canonized one of them. IMO it doesn't detract from "your story", even assuming you only played it one way. You just pick up in an alternative timeline where things were different. Does having one canon ending make your previous games anymore meaningless than moving a couple of million light years away and never mentioning them ever again? Take what Firaxis did with XCom. XCom: Enemy Unknown had one ending to deal with. A pretty standard ending really, with nothing complicated. Did they pick up the story there? Oh no, they decided that for XCom 2, you didn't complete the first game at all. You lost about a third of the way through. The rationale being that many people lost the game several times before beating it, but mainly because they thought it would be interesting to play in a world where you lost. And it works. I both saw off the alien invasion and recaptured the planet. If you need more justification for a "parallel universe" cannon ending, it's not a big problem in a sci-fi game with FTL travel. It would simple enough to start the story with your character traveling through a relay when they overloaded and dumping you in a universe where whatever they like happened. Far easier to explain than what they did. Edit: I'm not saying they necessarily made the wrong choice. I'm just saying that they did have a choice. There was no need to "run away" from the endings as many have said. Gods, Abdel and Revan... yeah, canonizing a beloved BioWare protagonist is a bad idea, trust me. Seeing Revan canonization in SWTOR = a sad, sad experience
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Post by Iakus on May 12, 2017 21:55:14 GMT
As many people have already commented, the issue is with people who simply have refused to move on... and romoving all doubt is the fact that this is yet another OP basically telling Bioware to rewrite the ME3 ending. Moving on would be just letting it go... what's done is done... ME3 is what it is. And what it is shapes the perception of what Mass Effect as a whole is.
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Post by n7vakarian on May 12, 2017 21:58:34 GMT
Shepard's story had to end sadly, Mass Effect had to move past his plot and go on.
It would have been nice to see more of the Milkyway again but I am still happy with the game I got. I don't think an ME4 with Shepard again would be a good thing. His story had an end, where would you go after the Reapers in the Milkyway anyway? Even if they worked around the ending no story there would be as big as Shepards was, his was the "Star Wars Trilogy" of Mass Effect.
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Post by wright1978 on May 12, 2017 22:01:30 GMT
Nope didn't want a canonised Milky Way setting for me4 even if it featured shep and still don't. Actually think the setting and first game of andromeda has great promise and hope they stick with it
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Post by babe145869 on May 12, 2017 22:02:11 GMT
I miss Shepad, the power wheel, abbilty to control my squad and the pre-SAM era. I think they should have just ended the ME series when Shepard story ended. Then made Andromeda an unrelated all new sci-fi series.
This gane had so much potential, but I think it was the combination of the fallout of ME3's ending feeling unfulling and the fact Mass Effect is in the title, so people already were thinking about how ME3 let them down and feared this would do the same thing, so there were haters before it was released.
If it had a different name, it prob would have had a better release, even with the issues the game still has.
If they ever make another ME, I hope they think long and hard on making a good story and finish polishing it before release. Having a more extended bata test and not showing only screen shots for years prior to actual gameplay teaser tailers would help as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 22:30:41 GMT
As many people have already commented, the issue is with people who simply have refused to move on... and romoving all doubt is the fact that this is yet another OP basically telling Bioware to rewrite the ME3 ending. Moving on would be just letting it go... what's done is done... ME3 is what it is. And what it is shapes the perception of what Mass Effect as a whole is. ... because people won't stop bringing it up to the forefront. A case in point... whenever a thread on this topic starts to die here, another two are immediately started... sometimes by the same OPs. Some of them word the question just a hair's breath differently eachc time, but always boiling down to the same thing. This one starts with a statement that I'm quite sure the OP knew was an utter lie. Many of the "fans" simply have never moved on... You've stated yourself that you simply cannot move on. It's impeding what Mass Effect could be... because they don't want to let it be anything different. They revel in putting Bioware into a "box" - giving them the effective ultimatum - "Rewrite the endings because it's the only thing "we" (i.e. those disgruntled fans) are going to let you (i.e. Bioware) do." Everything else the company tries to do will get ripped apart online. They (disgruntled fans) started a "war" back in 2012 when ME3 was released and they aren't giving up on it. The irony is that now, 5 years later, even if Biware rewrites the endings, the complaining about their games is so entrenched that it is unlikely to end even then. IMO, to get anywhere, Bioware may have to dissolve as a company and start up again under a completely different name.
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Post by mofojokers on May 12, 2017 22:41:13 GMT
Eh my main three issues outside of the large amount of bugs and launch issues.
1. Renegade missing (Ruthless / fearless leader) and general lack of depth with choices.
2. Sitcom style writing and just general bad dialogue.
3. The entire story of MEA is the exact copy of DAI in a mass effect skin.
So no matter what patches do it won't fix the game for myself. But the Andromeda setting is interesting and i would rather they didn't go back to Shep.
His story is done....
What we need is once they come back to it in 5-10 years. They need to consider a new studio dedicated to mass effect (all in house). As well as a senior and experienced team otherwise they would be better off letting the series die.
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Post by goishen on May 12, 2017 22:55:26 GMT
I can guarantee you how the quarians will be handled. As a joke.
If not laugh out loud funny, then you, as an adult, all you have to do is sit back for two seconds thinking logically about it, and come up with the solution. There will be no more moral quandaries in ME.
None. Zero.
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Post by Iakus on May 12, 2017 23:00:00 GMT
And what it is shapes the perception of what Mass Effect as a whole is. ... because people won't stop bringing it up to the forefront. A case in point... whenever a thread on this topic starts to die here, another two are immediately started... sometimes by the same OPs. Some of them word the question just a hair's breath differently eachc time, but always boiling down to the same thing. This one starts with a statement that I'm quite sure the OP knew was an utter lie. Many of the "fans" simply have never moved on... You've stated yourself that you simply cannot move on. It's impeding what Mass Effect could be... because they don't want to let it be anything different. They revel in putting Bioware into a "box" - giving them the effective ultimatum - "Rewrite the endings because it's the only thing "we" (i.e. those disgruntled fans) are going to let you (i.e. Bioware) do." Everything else the company tries to do will get ripped apart online. They (disgruntled fans) started a "war" back in 2012 when ME3 was released and they aren't giving up on it. The irony is that now, 5 years later, even if Biware rewrites the endings, the complaining about their games is so entrenched that it is unlikely to end even then. IMO, to get anywhere, Bioware may have to dissolve as a company and start up again under a completely different name. The only thing impeding what Mass Effect could be is Bioware. If an issue won't die, even after five years, then it's probably something important. Especially if it's an issue that's damaging future sales. Hell, I am willing to bet ME3 had more to do with any lackluster sales than MEA being a lackluster game did. Once bitten, twice shy. And Bioware hasn't been Bioware in almost a decade. They are Bioware: A Division of EA
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Post by blueasari on May 12, 2017 23:09:44 GMT
I have a deep hate for online media lol All good.
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Post by Iakus on May 12, 2017 23:10:29 GMT
3. The entire story of MEA is the exact copy of DAI in a mass effect skin. That's just silly. DAI is about some nobody who survives an explosion and gains a unique ability as a result. That ability allows him or her to heal damage done to the local environment as a result of a magical catastrophe. This makes you vital to the survival of a multitude of followers. And then there's this powerful mutated creature who covets that power and wants to take it so he can become a godlike being and... ...Nevermind
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Post by vonuber on May 12, 2017 23:22:08 GMT
You can tell a lot of people haven't moved on: bsn.boards.net/thread/8546/shepard-squadmates-went-andromeda-ryder?page=1I was actually originally all for a canonised high destroy back in the day, but with the passage of time and growing up a bit more i am glad they didn't and that her story has ended. However, what I do wish is that we had had more DLC/games after me2 where we play as shep the spectre on illium etc - basically a whole load of mini lotsb style episodes. That was a missed opportunity.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 23:23:13 GMT
... because people won't stop bringing it up to the forefront. A case in point... whenever a thread on this topic starts to die here, another two are immediately started... sometimes by the same OPs. Some of them word the question just a hair's breath differently eachc time, but always boiling down to the same thing. This one starts with a statement that I'm quite sure the OP knew was an utter lie. Many of the "fans" simply have never moved on... You've stated yourself that you simply cannot move on. It's impeding what Mass Effect could be... because they don't want to let it be anything different. They revel in putting Bioware into a "box" - giving them the effective ultimatum - "Rewrite the endings because it's the only thing "we" (i.e. those disgruntled fans) are going to let you (i.e. Bioware) do." Everything else the company tries to do will get ripped apart online. They (disgruntled fans) started a "war" back in 2012 when ME3 was released and they aren't giving up on it. The irony is that now, 5 years later, even if Biware rewrites the endings, the complaining about their games is so entrenched that it is unlikely to end even then. IMO, to get anywhere, Bioware may have to dissolve as a company and start up again under a completely different name. The only thing impeding what Mass Effect could be is Bioware. If an issue won't die, even after five years, then it's probably something important. Especially if it's an issue that's damaging future sales. Hell, I am willing to bet ME3 had more to do with any lackluster sales than MEA being a lackluster game did. Once bitten, twice shy. And Bioware hasn't been Bioware in almost a decade. They are Bioware: A Division of EA Did I say the issue wasn't important - at least to those still complaining about it, it is. It just shows that the OP is totally lying about people having moved on... not really a crafty way to introduce the same old "ending" thread we've been seeing over and over and over again for five years. As for the rest, you're saying the same thing I am... Bioware is not going to be able to produce a game now that will be accepted by those "disgruntled fans" so pretty much the only alternative left to Bioware is to cease to exist. One less company making RPGs.
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