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Post by Sanunes on May 18, 2017 12:24:27 GMT
Just going to skip reading all the comment here.
I am perfectly fine with another Mass Effect game. I think leadership allowed the scope of the game to get out of hand and they ran out of time. There are plenty of areas in the game that had the potential to be great, but there was a lack of experience coupled with leadership that had a lack of experience with an inexperienced team. I think both areas of development learned from the issues that were presented.
The one good think about the internet declaring the game is on hiatus is that we won't have to worry about people demanding to know more about the next Mass Effect game for years before they are ready to announce it.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on May 18, 2017 12:47:22 GMT
Arguably I just wanted ME3 to be redone or something, so the trilogy ended with a bang like I expected it to.
But without that I definitely wanted ME4 to have something not as depressing to think back on. For what it's worth the plot and resolution of Andromeda 1 is gullible and optimistic enough that I feel okay about it.
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Post by taliefer on May 18, 2017 16:32:19 GMT
Why doesn't it make sense? A QEC connection is quite easy to break, since there's only one other QEC in the entire universe which can connect with the one you have. If the Reapers blew it up, you're done. Completely agree. If that connection is gone, all communication is gone. All that rests is silence. And seeing the different outcomes of ME3, we don't even know if there is anyone there that could answer a call anyway. You can try to re-establish the connection by sending an FTL capsule containing a new Quantum entanglement "unit" to the Milky Way, but that would take at least 600+ years (the same travel time as the Initiative arks and Nexus had). But then you have another problem. To what location do you send that capsule? The Citadel? But we know (what the initiative doesn't know) that the Citadel is no longer on that location, because it's send/hijacked to the Earth location. To Earth? We don't even know if life on Earth still exists and if so, in what form. And who or what would detect that capsule if it's sent to a location that has no population or (high enough) technology at all? Chances of re-establishing an connection are very slim, and would take ages (literally). In short - There are several very valid reasons there is no longer a connection with the Milky Way. And on top of that there are also lots of reasons it will be very difficult, if not impossible, to re-establish any new connection at all. In short - any next game (and I love to see it) would (in my opinion and preference) play in Andromeda, and would be a continuation of the Ryder twin story. the way it came across in game is that the signal was getting through just fine, but that noone was answering. if the paired QEC was destroyed, the signal wouldnt have made it through, or even be sent at all since it takes 2 to function, right? i dont want the main story to shift back to Milky Way, i think they laid a good foundation in Andromeda. but the whole Milky Way situation has been handled poorly in my opinion, and theyd have been better off leaving it out completely. they boxed themselves with how the ended MET and they chose to leave that box open rather than keep it closed. |
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Post by obatalaryder on May 18, 2017 18:23:20 GMT
Please point to me another sci-fi RPG of this generation. Fallout. Although I'm certainly not going to bullshit you and claim that Fallout 4 is better than any of the OT games--it certainly isn't. Can't say about MEA though. Ehh, Fallout's too post-apocalyptic and retro for me... |
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Post by alanc9 on May 18, 2017 20:08:52 GMT
the way it came across in game is that the signal was getting through just fine, but that noone was answering. if the paired QEC was destroyed, the signal wouldnt have made it through, or even be sent at all since it takes 2 to function, right? Anyone have a transcript or a link to a video? We shouldn't get into dueling impressions without seeing the thing we're talking about. Note that the other QEC particle can't be actually destroyed, it can only be lost when the apparatus around it is destroyed. You could always transmit to the particle, and you don't get anything but noise back through the link unless somebody on the other side is doing something to his particle. |
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Post by decafhigh on May 18, 2017 20:27:17 GMT
Fallout. Although I'm certainly not going to bullshit you and claim that Fallout 4 is better than any of the OT games--it certainly isn't. Can't say about MEA though. Ehh, Fallout's too post-apocalyptic and retro for me... Agreed. I mean Fallout is technically sci-fi I suppose, but an entirely different sub-genre from things like ME. |
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Post by Papa Franku on May 18, 2017 21:08:33 GMT
Andromeda wasn't forced
I think of andromeda as a spinoff rather then a reboot
And I think the potential in Andromeda I great, I don't see why people need to be over nostalgic about the trilogy, the trilogy ended and the journey was great but now we have a new adventure in Andromeda with new character we will begin to love just as much as the old if you haven't already.
Andromeda feel for me a lot like ME3, we came to andromeda "all in" and it feels huge to be a part of the initiative just like the urging seriousness in ME3 when the reapers attached!
I sincerely hope we'll get to see more of Andromeda!
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Post by Dean The Not-so Young on May 18, 2017 22:32:37 GMT
Making this game was always going to be risky from the start. We liked the ME trilogy because of it's story and it's well written characters. Now Imagine if Marvel released Avengers: Infinity War and replaced all the cast from all the Marvel films that will be in this movie, it would fail. Capcom and Ninja Theory tried to reboot Devil May Cry and it flopped hard because it didn't need to be rebooted, nobody wanted a new Dante. I kind of feel like Andromeda was forced just because people didn't want to say good bye to Mass Effect. Is this 'we' supposed to include you? Because there is an objective answer to this, and that answer is 'yes.' Multiple people wanted another Mass Effect game. Since I'm one of them, 'we' wanted Mass Effect game, whether you did or not. I'm also skeptical on your argument. Let's say I agree that 'we' like the ME trilogy because of it's well-written characters. There's a distinction to be made between 'well-written characters' in general, and 'the characters specific to the Mass Effect trilogy that served reoccuring roles across the trilogy.' The former is an easy agreement to make, but hardly exclusive to the ME trilogy. Bioware makes 'well-written' characters in general, and MEA is not exception. You may not like them all, but you'd have an easy time finding people who didn't like all the ME trilogy characters also. The later is much more contestable, not least because character consistency across the trilogy was pretty poor. Bioware didn't so much develop characters over consistent narrative arcs as simply reboot them each game to fit the niche of the moment. Tali goes from a codex with legs to a star-struck waifu who hates Geth to Sole Sane Woman peace-advocate. Wrex goes from jaded loner to leader with vision of culture reform over biological cures to ditching culture reform in favor of biological cure. Liara goes... whatever you want to call her changes. Off-screen development, mostly. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 22:38:44 GMT
IMO if they stuck to the ME 1 - 3 universe and produced a game of the same quality of the past trilogy they would have had an awesome game.
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Post by decafhigh on May 19, 2017 0:19:59 GMT
IMO if they stuck to the ME 1 - 3 universe and produced a game of the same quality of the past trilogy they would have had an awesome game. I think if MEA had reached that same quality we likely wouldn't even be having this discussion. Heck if they had just cleaned up the animations and the bugs and given us a decent CC the conversation would already be quite a bit different. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 0:24:16 GMT
IMO if they stuck to the ME 1 - 3 universe and produced a game of the same quality of the past trilogy they would have had an awesome game. I think if MEA had reached that same quality we likely wouldn't even be having this discussion. Heck if they had just cleaned up the animations and the bugs and given us a decent CC the conversation would already be quite a bit different. I haven't came across many bugs maybe 1 crash. The game it's self it's really good but it's not a Mass effect game. It doesn't have the feel or look of one. Even if we have familiar faces like asari or krogan and salarian. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 18:19:55 GMT
Yes.
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Post by colfoley on May 19, 2017 19:01:36 GMT
I think if MEA had reached that same quality we likely wouldn't even be having this discussion. Heck if they had just cleaned up the animations and the bugs and given us a decent CC the conversation would already be quite a bit different. I haven't came across many bugs maybe 1 crash. The game it's self it's really good but it's not a Mass effect game. It doesn't have the feel or look of one. Even if we have familiar faces like asari or krogan and salarian. it occurs to me... I wonder if this is what people thought watching next gen. I know the Stargate community went through a similar upheaval with universe. |
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 19, 2017 19:03:36 GMT
I haven't came across many bugs maybe 1 crash. The game it's self it's really good but it's not a Mass effect game. It doesn't have the feel or look of one. Even if we have familiar faces like asari or krogan and salarian. it occurs to me... I wonder if this is what people thought watching next gen. I know the Stargate community went through a similar upheaval with universe. You mean SGU. That horrible die in a fire show? OR BattleStarUniverse. |
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Post by colfoley on May 19, 2017 19:04:48 GMT
it occurs to me... I wonder if this is what people thought watching next gen. I know the Stargate community went through a similar upheaval with universe. You mean SGU. That horrible die in a fire show? OR BattleStarUniverse. ...i liked universe.  not as much as SG-1 but still. |
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 19, 2017 19:14:58 GMT
You mean SGU. That horrible die in a fire show? OR BattleStarUniverse. ...i liked universe. not as much as SG-1 but still. It was too serious. It lacked the humor and campy characters of SG-1 and Atlantis which is what made them great. They had to go with the stupid BSG directors who ruined Stargate and took it off the air. They had to make it all stupid drama like when it should have stuck to the SG-1 style. |
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Post by alanc9 on May 19, 2017 19:57:43 GMT
...i liked universe. not as much as SG-1 but still. It was too serious. It lacked the humor and campy characters of SG-1 and Atlantis which is what made them great. They had to go with the stupid BSG directors who ruined Stargate and took it off the air. They had to make it all stupid drama like when it should have stuck to the SG-1 style. So, Stargate for people who didn't actually respect SG-1 and Atlantis? Not a crazy strategy since they'd seen it pay off with BSG already. |
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 19, 2017 20:09:18 GMT
It was too serious. It lacked the humor and campy characters of SG-1 and Atlantis which is what made them great. They had to go with the stupid BSG directors who ruined Stargate and took it off the air. They had to make it all stupid drama like when it should have stuck to the SG-1 style. So, Stargate for people who didn't actually respect SG-1 and Atlantis? Not a crazy strategy since they'd seen it pay off with BSG already. It didn't pay off though. The fans would have nothing to do with it which is why it got cancelled. |
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Post by alanc9 on May 19, 2017 20:15:38 GMT
I haven't came across many bugs maybe 1 crash. The game it's self it's really good but it's not a Mass effect game. It doesn't have the feel or look of one. Even if we have familiar faces like asari or krogan and salarian. it occurs to me... I wonder if this is what people thought watching next gen. I know the Stargate community went through a similar upheaval with universe. TNG had an advantage there. Tonally, TOS was all over the place. It could do serious drama one week and our-camp Batman the next. So you couldn't really land TNG in a place where it was not-Trek unless you screwed with the premise. (Which Roddenberry almost did with his conflict-free vision of the future....) |
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Post by colfoley on May 19, 2017 20:16:19 GMT
SGU was really starting to find its feet though and was murdered before it's time.
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Post by alanc9 on May 19, 2017 20:18:27 GMT
So, Stargate for people who didn't actually respect SG-1 and Atlantis? Not a crazy strategy since they'd seen it pay off with BSG already. It didn't pay off though. The fans would have nothing to do with it which is why it got cancelled. Yes. It's a hard strategy to pull off since you don't have that much of a built-in audience. BSG had it easier since a lot of people liked the original premise without really thinking that the original show was very good. It occurs to me that the lighter tone of ME:A was actually a very risky move. And I'm not sure the execution of that move was very good. |
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Post by themikefest on May 19, 2017 20:24:43 GMT
Yes. I wanted another ME game. And another one after that. And another one after that.........
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 19, 2017 20:29:32 GMT
It didn't pay off though. The fans would have nothing to do with it which is why it got cancelled. Yes. It's a hard strategy to pull off since you don't have that much of a built-in audience. BSG had it easier since a lot of people liked the original premise without really thinking that the original show was very good. It occurs to me that the lighter tone of ME:A was actually a very risky move. And I'm not sure the execution of that move was very good. That works for BSG, but not StarGate which was built of on its campiness. At least, I got two movies from it. |
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Post by projectpatdc on May 19, 2017 20:34:13 GMT
If we don't get another Mass Effect....hahahahaahahaha......haahaahaha. aha. ha Good one. We will
But regardless, I want a sci fi game closer to firefly.
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Post by colfoley on May 19, 2017 20:47:44 GMT
If we don't get another Mass Effect....hahahahaahahaha......haahaahaha. aha. ha Good one. We will But regardless, I want a sci fi game closer to firefly. oh could you imagine a Bioware game set around you being a renegade starship captain and outlaw and you get to decide if you wanna be more robin hood or Billy the Kidd? Given Biowares recent reticence about not wanting to create truly evil characters anymore i doubt it will happen. Just like my other idea won't happen a Bioware game that takes after 24. |
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