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Post by fraggle on May 21, 2017 10:17:10 GMT
MEA should've been my favourite game this year, but it's not. In fact, it's the game I put last on my list. Nier Automata, Horizon Zero Dawn and Zelda were all better than MEA, and I wasn't even keen on Zelda being Open World now too, but it was fun to play in the end. I look forward most to Detroit: Becoming Human next.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 21, 2017 10:19:33 GMT
This person really isn't the sharpest tool in the shed is he? Well, given the evidence and the fact that the ME franchise was put on ice: I'd say he's close to the mark. Given the lack of evidence and that the ME franchise has not been 'put on ice' you mean. Evidence is not 'making stuff up'...
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Post by abaris on May 21, 2017 10:35:38 GMT
Given the lack of evidence and that the ME franchise has not been 'put on ice' you mean. Evidence is not 'making stuff up'... For anyone having worked in economics and PR, there is a lot of evidence. Most glaringly, them not countering the rumors but staying noncommital in their statements. If these rumors were false, crisis PR would have a field day dismantling them. The other one, pushing Dylan's release into the next fiscal year, which is a highly unusual and costly step for any major corporation. There's obviously the feeling of emergency. Something they need to react to, even if it means short time losses.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 21, 2017 11:13:08 GMT
Given the lack of evidence and that the ME franchise has not been 'put on ice' you mean. Evidence is not 'making stuff up'... For anyone having worked in economics and PR, there is a lot of evidence. Most glaringly, them not countering the rumors but staying noncommital in their statements. If these rumors were false, crisis PR would have a field day dismantling them. The other one, pushing Dylan's release into the next fiscal year, which is a highly unusual and costly step for any major corporation. There's obviously the feeling of emergency. Something they need to react to, even if it means short time losses. That would be fine, but BioWare are particularly twitchy about saying stuff about their intentions (revenue recognition is often cited) so if rumors abound, their PR team won't be busy trying to deter the ideas, that not how they roll. It's likely in their interests to allow rumors to be rumors and then to come back with strong product when they are ready. They have clearly understood the requirement to ship polished product next time, 'Dylan' may already have been scheduled end of FY17/18, it's fiscally responsible to take the PR hit now and push it into FY18/19 for the holiday season. And this whole idea of 'hiatus' is standard practice, DA4 hasn't even been confirmed as a thing.
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Post by abaris on May 21, 2017 11:21:46 GMT
And this whole idea of 'hiatus' is standard practice, DA4 hasn't even been confirmed as a thing. Yeah, it hasn't been confirmed. So why is it any more probable to be a thing than MEA not meeting prospective sales and other projects being pushed back because of it? Who should develop DA4 in the first place? Which studio, since Edmonton is busy developing the new IP? As someones having worked for the better part of 20 years in a field closely related to PR, I know how to read the language. And what you said doesn't fit the usual bill at all. If there's a shitstorm, you don't lean back and let it happen to come up with a big surprise. That's considered business suicide. You counter it with every tool available to you, that's called crisis PR. Has developped into an own field since the rise of social media and the necessity to counter rumors and fake news. Nothing of that kind can be observed here. I like the game. I sank a couple of hundred hours into it and would love to see it expanded with story driven DLCs. But going by what I read so far, it's not gonna happen. Not if there isn't already something finished or close to the finish line.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 21, 2017 11:31:45 GMT
And this whole idea of 'hiatus' is standard practice, DA4 hasn't even been confirmed as a thing. ... As someones having worked for the better part of 20 years in a field closely related to PR, I know how to read the language. And what you said doesn't fit the usual bill at all. If there's a shitstorm, you don't lean back and let it happen to come up with a big surprise. That's considered business suicide. You counter it with every tool available to you, that's called crisis PR. Has developped into an own field since the rise of social media and the necessity to counter rumors and fake news. Nothing of that kind can be observed here. ... In my view, your 20 years closely related to PR is largely irrelevant here (great in other cases I'm sure). Because EA/BioWare doesn't appear to behave like normal companies, and that's from having watched what they do and what they say over the 10 years since the EA acquisition. In past shitstorms, such as Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 they've largely hunkered down and said very little. The Mass Effect 3 issue led to them building an extended ending, much as they have announced some extra patching this time, but everything I know about BioWare tells me they don't 'counter' like other companies they just drop their heads down. So I bow to your experience in most cases, but I think BioWare is different.
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Post by abaris on May 21, 2017 11:40:02 GMT
In past shitstorms, such as Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 they've largely hunkered down and said very little. What you fail to see is, they reacted as expected. I can't recall their exact wording back then, but on the old Bioware board I made the case for this being PR statements and that something was in the works. They followed what you expect from PR statements to the letter. You might want to look my old posts up, if they're still active. Same here. There are keywords and actions pointing into a certain direction. We're talking about the corporate world here, and like it or not, they don't deviate from business practices when it comes to public statements. You don't have to believe me. Noone believed me back then either, since they were busy crunching numbers and spamming the games are art arguments. Just wait and see.
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Post by helios969 on May 21, 2017 11:42:27 GMT
There's nothing I'm aware of being released this year that will supplant MEA as my top game. Destiny 2 might hold some interest, but not really being into online multiplayer gaming and the lack of story limits the amount of enjoyment I can derive from it. If people want to hate on MEA, that's their prerogative, just as those of us enamored can continue to enjoy it. It's not everything I hoped it would be but outside CDPR and Naughty Dog there's no other developer who delivers the type of content I'm looking for.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 21, 2017 11:45:28 GMT
In past shitstorms, such as Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 they've largely hunkered down and said very little. What you fail to see is, they reacted as expected. I can't recall their exact wording back then, but on the old Bioware board I made the case for this being PR statements and that something was in the works. They followed what you expect from PR statements to the letter. You might want to look my old posts up, if they're still active. Same here. There are keywords and actions pointing into a certain direction. We're talking about the corporate world here, and like it or not, they don't deviate from business practices when it comes to public statements. You don't have to believe me. Noone believed me back then either, since they were busy crunching numbers and spamming the games are art arguments. Just wait and see. ok, certainly open to waiting and seeing, perhaps you will be right.
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Post by Kroitz on May 21, 2017 13:16:57 GMT
Whatever your bias, just accept that Injustice 2 wins best facial animations this year.
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Post by abaris on May 21, 2017 14:25:10 GMT
Whatever your bias, just accept that Injustice 2 wins best facial animations this year. Haven't played it, but that in itself won't make a game. That in itself doesn't break a game either.
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Post by Kroitz on May 21, 2017 16:35:51 GMT
Whatever your bias, just accept that Injustice 2 wins best facial animations this year. Haven't played it, but that in itself won't make a game. That in itself doesn't break a game either. That wasn't a slide against any other game. I just consider Injustice's facial animations and it's animations in general as top tier inside the released 2017 line-up. It's also a damn fine fighting game.
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Post by Kabraxal on May 21, 2017 17:30:30 GMT
Andromeda is stomping the competition this year and I see no game that could challenge it until Bioware's next major release. I thought Zelda and Persona 5 were the only chances, but Zekda ended up being absolute shit and Persona 5 a mess of poor ideas and bad writing. There could be a surprise out there but I doubt it... Bioware staff confirmed I wish. Love to be a writer for them. Because no one is allowed to hate the internet darlings and love the troll's chosen whipping boy? No, because a 73 % on Metacritic can hardly be considered as "stomping the competition". And mass opinion is supposed to sway me? Sorry, I have a mind of my own. Andromeda is the best game this year.
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Post by colfoley on May 21, 2017 17:39:29 GMT
I wish. Love to be a writer for them. No, because a 73 % on Metacritic can hardly be considered as "stomping the competition". And mass opinion is supposed to sway me? Sorry, I have a mind of my own. Andromeda is the best game this year. you're going to have to beat me to it.
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Post by abaris on May 21, 2017 18:07:07 GMT
Sorry, I have a mind of my own. Andromeda is the best game this year. So far. I haven't seen any other game this year interesting me, and it was the first purchase I did. But there's room for improvement. It remains to be seen if any game steps in to fill that room.
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Post by dm04 on May 21, 2017 23:02:04 GMT
[...] And mass opinion is supposed to sway me? Sorry, I have a mind of my own. Andromeda is the best game this year. Prey is already better. StarCitizen Squadron42 is supposed to be released this year, while I do not expect much from SC in the Elite/Privateer sense, I expect quite a lo from Squadron42.
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Post by Kabraxal on May 21, 2017 23:39:20 GMT
[...] And mass opinion is supposed to sway me? Sorry, I have a mind of my own. Andromeda is the best game this year. Prey is already better. StarCitizen Squadron42 is supposed to be released this year, while I do not expect much from SC in the Elite/Privateer sense, I expect quite a lo from Squadron42. Maybe for you. But Andromeda is the best game I played this year so far.
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Post by kenshen19 on May 22, 2017 0:23:12 GMT
I was really hyped up for Horizon Zero Dawn and Legend of Zelda and neither game let me down. I did forget about Red Dead 2 but still I am not as hyped for that game as I was for the other two. As for MEA if it was for my kid buying me it I still wouldn't have played it.
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Post by General Mahad on May 22, 2017 4:08:35 GMT
I wish. Love to be a writer for them. No, because a 73 % on Metacritic can hardly be considered as "stomping the competition". And mass opinion is supposed to sway me? Sorry, I have a mind of my own. Andromeda is the best game this year. Then you have poor taste.
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Post by projectpatdc on May 22, 2017 4:25:45 GMT
I wish. Love to be a writer for them. And mass opinion is supposed to sway me? Sorry, I have a mind of my own. Andromeda is the best game this year. Then you have poor taste. That's a bold claim. Care to back that up with a reason?
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Post by General Mahad on May 22, 2017 6:57:36 GMT
Then you have poor taste. That's a bold claim. Care to back that up with a reason? Yah, it sucks compared to the trilogy.
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Post by Serza on May 22, 2017 7:44:57 GMT
That's actually a great reason! Thank you for your mere opinion, it has been duly noted. As was you trying to pass it as a fact.
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Post by danielhungary on May 22, 2017 9:56:50 GMT
MEA is probably the only 2017 release I'll play this year so... that's an easy one. I'm tempted by HZD and BotW but I'm not buying a console for one frickin game. 3 great game is worth buying a PS4 console or even PS4 pro if those games greatly supporting PS4 pro enhancement ( Nioh, Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted 4, Until Dawn, Persona 5, Bloodborne GOTY edition, the latter 2 games ( Bloodborne and Persona 5) of course does not support PS4 pro ). On the other hand Switch does not worth to buy. Imao BotW is far from a technological marvel and other than Mario Kart there is no good title on that console.
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Post by abaris on May 22, 2017 11:28:48 GMT
3 great game is worth buying a PS4 console or even PS4 pro if those games greatly supporting PS4 pro enhancement ( Nioh, Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted 4, Until Dawn, Persona 5, Bloodborne GOTY edition, the latter 2 games ( Bloodborne and Persona 5) of course does not support PS4 pro ). On the other hand Switch does not worth to buy. Imao BotW is far from a technological marvel and other than Mario Kart there is no good title on that console. You have to take into account that you have to 1) able to afford a console, 2) really being that interested in platform exclusive games to make that decision, since the games cost a hefty sum also, 3) Being interested in console as your medium of choice in the first place.
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Post by ProbeAway on May 22, 2017 12:44:07 GMT
MEA is probably the only 2017 release I'll play this year so... that's an easy one. I'm tempted by HZD and BotW but I'm not buying a console for one frickin game. 3 great game is worth buying a PS4 console or even PS4 pro if those games greatly supporting PS4 pro enhancement ( Nioh, Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted 4, Until Dawn, Persona 5, Bloodborne GOTY edition, the latter 2 games ( Bloodborne and Persona 5) of course does not support PS4 pro ). On the other hand Switch does not worth to buy. Imao BotW is far from a technological marvel and other than Mario Kart there is no good title on that console. I'm sure they're all great titles but I've got a young family so I have limited time to play games. If I bought a PS4, HZD is probably the only console exclusive game I would play this year.
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