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Post by Psychevore on May 24, 2017 16:17:28 GMT
I am not a fan of reviews. In think there is some inherent, indirect corruption in video game journalism. I believe a lot of these reviewers will appease conglomerates like EA because they want access - first looks at up coming content, previews and reviews before the game is released, and gaming rigs that companies will give them to play on. Some of these people will disclose that the rig they played on was a gift from the publisher, but not everyone does. So I did not read the reviews because I do trust reviewers. The Diana Allers situation in ME3 and calling BW customers spoiled brats that will never be satisfied only reinforced this mistrust. That said, when I got the game I was on cloud 9 for the first week. But in hindsight I know that this was driven by my nostalgia and not having played an ME game for 5 years. By the third week, and 217 hours of game play, I could not stand the game anymore and did not touch it since then. I then checked out some of the reviews that people linked here and I thought they were too kind. Maybe I should be happy with the 217 hours of gameplay I got, but compare that to 600+ hours of ME2. Anyways, I am happy people are thrilled with the game, but check in on your third playthrough and tell us if its still fun or if the reviewers had a point. 217 hours, for 70 bucks or something. That is money really well spent.
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Post by henkiedepost on May 24, 2017 16:24:38 GMT
Interesting. I walked the complete opposite path. When the game was still in development I spent a lot of my time trying to convince my more skeptical friends to wait until the game got released before passing their judgement. When that time finally came I acknowledged some funny bugs and facial animations but I kept telling everyone that the reviews were wrong and that the game was great. I wanted this game to succeed so hard that I tried to stay positive as long as possible. But the longer I spent in ME:A the more I saw through my own idyllic view of the game: I wasn't having as much fun as I wanted to believe. Not by a long shot. This isn't because there is one big issue I have with the game, it's because of a shitton of smaller things which, when added up, ruin the experience for me. The longer I play, the more of these little issues and design decisions I just can't agree with pop up. So I decided to leave the game for now and wait for further patches and DLC before completing my first playtrough.
I do want to make a clear distinction between myself and the people who are out there trying to burn Bioware to the ground though. The Witch Hunt we currently face is completely unjustified. This isn't the worst game of all time, not even of this year or quarter. Everyone giving it a 1/10 or a 0/10 is a troll whose opinion should, imho, just be disregarded. This forum, youtube, metacritic and other platforms of social media can really do without the anti-bioware shitposting. There are a lot of people however, like me, whom are still Bioware fans but just dissapointed with their latest games. (Didn't like DA:I as well, in fact, I think it's worse than ME:A). As long as this dissapointment is voiced in a calm and reasonable matter and is backed up with alternative suggestions for the future I see no problem with people voicing it.
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Post by vonuber on May 24, 2017 16:44:48 GMT
One thing I have noticed (I'm about 80% of the way through I think) is that the back end of the game is a hell of a lot better than the front. Which is odd.
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Post by SeranusGaming on May 24, 2017 16:46:25 GMT
I should probably also mention that while I loved the intense, cataclysmic feel the first three games, I also like the more light-hearted feel of ME:A. To me, it makes sense as the protagonist, unlike Shepard, isn't a professional soldier and is essentially untested. He/She won't act at all like Shepard considering within the first few moments of ME:1, Shepard was already receiving direct information from the Prothean beacons. Also, while I've only been playing for a short while, I simply adore Sara and her "adorkable" personality. It almost hurts to play her like a total sarcastic jerk.
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Post by cypherj on May 24, 2017 17:11:41 GMT
I don't know how people can say criticism was unwarranted, because they're basing that of their experience with the game. How do you tell someone else their feelings are unwarranted?
If someone says "the game is trash," or something like that, then yeah that's not constructive.
However if someone says the game was broken upon release, unfinished, bugged, etc. Based on my experience early, it would be more than warranted because if you had asked me the rate the game early on it would have been a 3 or a 4, honestly, it was that bad to try and play. I told my best friend not to buy it, to wait until it was fixed.
If someone didn't like the change to a more casual tone in the game or didn't like the protagonist, that makes it hard to enjoy the game in its entirety. Completely warranted if someone rates the game down.
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Post by ShadowAngel on May 24, 2017 17:38:47 GMT
What classifies as "unwarranted hate"? I literally described what I meant in the sentences before and after the sentence where I mentioned "unwarranted hate". In the first paragraph I said " it's an entirely different issue when everyone and their mother is on some kind of crusade to make it seem like ME:A is the worst thing ever to happen to gaming"; in second paragraph I said " it's not a perfect game...but it's definitely not a bad game by any stretch of the imagination". Reviewers making ME:A out to be some kind of gaming abomination...is unwarranted. Was it a game that could use a few updates and fixes? Sure. Was it a bad game? Not at all. It became popular to hate on Bioware (I suspect one of Bioware's former employees sparked the internet's Bioware hate), and tons of people jumped on the bandwagon to point out every flaw, ignoring any positives. I did read your post but it didn't give the examples I was looking for, your on about some supposed crusade and people getting upset, you didn't give any example of reasons as to why it's happening though did you? The thing is andromeda can very well be viewed as a bad game, or even an abomination. If they've got their reasons, such as character creat.....I mean preset, or the unstable + unbalanced multiplayer, the animations, the reused story, being more limited in abilities.then I really don't see it as unwarranted and definitely not hate, but more so disappointment. you really make it seem like bioware is this special snowflake developer that has people attacking them when it's always been there way before Andromeda ever happened. I can also show numerous other developers getting memed on (one of the examples I was expecting by the way) or getting mixed reviews. You have to do something wrong to get that attention, it doesn't just happen on its own and not because "it's popular to hate on bioware", do you even notice how most of those people played previous games of theirs? its called a fan base. A fan base will be there to point out what is good, a fan base will be there to point out what is bad, a fan base will be there to point out what is unacceptable, and you'll have the fan base there to troll on others but they're far from the majority nor even enough to cause harm, not to mention there are bigger fan bases out there where you'll see much more of this. Bioware has it easy being the bottom of the triple A industry. when I asked what classifies as a hater I was looking for examples like the memes, saying the game is shot but not explaining why, calling out bioware in harassment. Reviewing a game as bad isn't unwarranted hate to me, that's reviewing a game and pointing out that individuals issues. If they're giving 0s, 1s, 2s, 3s, maybe even 4s. I could see the case but there will be people that are that critical, and honestly, I don't know a lot of real critics that would even do that, at best you'll see most do 4s,5s and 6s when it comes to calling it a bad/mediocre game, which is where I have my own scoring point at. Regardless the score itself is really pointless to me and I tend to avoid the scores and look into the reasons for the score. I'm curious how many 0s there even are as I doubt there's that many so I don't see why it's an issue if one calls it a bad game, someone telling them otherwise doesn't change that and vice versa. the easiest thing one could do would be to just ignore it if it bothers them that much, cause just bringing it up just brings more attention to it.
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Post by djbare on May 24, 2017 18:03:25 GMT
I’ll admit this right up front – listening to those early reviews was a HUGE mistake! As a massive fan of the original series, I, like many, was pretty jaded with the ending of ME:3 and so I refused to trust another BioWare game until I saw endless glowing reviews about how amazing Andromeda was. Even when friends told me the reviews were way off and the game was actually very fun and entertaining to play, I simply ignored them. After all, if someone makes a YouTube video about a game, it must be true – right? Long story short, I went ahead and bought the game a few days ago and to my surprise, it felt just like what I’ve always come to expect from a Mass Effect game – engaging. It’s like that amazing book you’ve read where you find yourself being unable to put it down because you “must know what happens next!” Granted, the early parts of the game are a bit slow and some of the open world quests can be boring or add little to nothing to the overall story. And yes, some of the animations are fairly dismal compared to what you would expect in 2017 but overall, they don’t jump out at you as terrible like most reviewers have claimed. That thought brings me to all the endless and mind-numbingly drool of complaints about how vanilla the characters are, how the voice acting is pathetically bad or how there isn’t any emotion to character interaction. Really? They must not be playing the same game that I’m play because those accusations couldn’t be further from reality. From what I’ve seen so far, the characters have distinct, memorable personalities, the VA is top notch (with some great one-liners) and interaction between the characters (especially squad mates) is a breath of fresh air. When considering the history of BioWare games and character development, ME:A stands right up on the top rungs of the ladder. As for the rest of the game, the combat is amazing, the new skill combination system is exactly what most of player base was asking for and the music is very fitting for “most” of the scenes. Overall, it’s very much a Mass Effect game and well worth the history of the franchise. All those terrible reviews I saw, read, listened to – well, I sure feel dumb believing them. The hate was understandable if somewhat misguided, you said you just got the game, that means you started with the latest patch, on release this game was worse than anything I'd ever experienced from Bioware, it's still incredibly buggy now, quest that cannot be finished(fortunately not related to main quest), doors that won't open, had a message to go see Peebee, door would not open, had to close game and restart, and this is after patch 1.07, it's irritating, fortunately I'd purchased the game cheap, this lost any chance of a triple A tit;e the moment ir was rush released with poor QA, still a good game in some ways.
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Post by n7ltrobbiesann7 on May 24, 2017 18:07:41 GMT
Some of the complaints certainly have merit. However, the game is enjoyable to me and many others, despite all the criticism. If you're already of a miserable critical state of mind, good luck with that and much of life; some folk are perfectly happy being miserable (oh the paradox). I have personally enjoyed my time with the game despite its issues. I have learned to think for myself and form my own opinion, but also that I am the filter through which or misery will flow. It's up to me how I see anything, and no one else.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 24, 2017 18:15:26 GMT
Yea, reviewers are tricky. You need to know your reviewer, and take their review in the context of their general preferences and opinions.
That said, most of my more trusted reviewers were very fair to ME:A from my perspective. The average rating for the game from them is 78%, which is pretty much exactly what I would given this game overall. That means it is a good game with some very visible flaws. IMO, that describes Andromeda perfectly.
I didn't find the game disappointing overall, it was a fun game to play. I just found it a bit disappointing as a Mass Effect game, as the others in the franchise tend to be more around the 90% area.
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Post by suikoden on May 24, 2017 18:21:37 GMT
Paying $5 to try it out for the ten hours was fair imo. Then you wouldn't need to go by reviews to know it's not a good game.
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Post by decafhigh on May 24, 2017 18:31:40 GMT
Didn't we already have this thread recently? Serious deja vu here.
In any case it seems to me the reviews served their purpose for the OP, whether they know it or not, steering him clear of the game till many of the issues the game launched with are getting addressed giving him a better first impression of the game than those who bought it at launch had. I don't see what all the complaining is about. /shrug
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Post by suikoden on May 24, 2017 19:17:22 GMT
How come the internet didn't hurt other games? Why didn't people shit on the new Zelda or Horizon Zero Dawn? Damn this evil internet must have something against Bioware... One reviewer gave a 70% to Zelda, he received death threat for it. Makes you wonder why the majority of the reviewers gave it a 10/10... Maybe because it's a 10/10 game? Makes you wonder why Andromeda is getting 5's and 6's - maybe because it's shit?
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Post by vonuber on May 24, 2017 19:22:06 GMT
Maybe because it's a 10/10 game? Makes you wonder why Andromeda is getting 5's and 6's - maybe because it's shit? Gosh you are still here, commenting on a game you apparently hate. It's like one of those children who go around pulling a girl's hair when they secretly fancy them.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 19:25:22 GMT
I’ll admit this right up front – listening to those early reviews was a HUGE mistake! As a massive fan of the original series, I, like many, was pretty jaded with the ending of ME:3 and so I refused to trust another BioWare game until I saw endless glowing reviews about how amazing Andromeda was. Even when friends told me the reviews were way off and the game was actually very fun and entertaining to play, I simply ignored them. After all, if someone makes a YouTube video about a game, it must be true – right? Long story short, I went ahead and bought the game a few days ago and to my surprise, it felt just like what I’ve always come to expect from a Mass Effect game – engaging. It’s like that amazing book you’ve read where you find yourself being unable to put it down because you “must know what happens next!” Granted, the early parts of the game are a bit slow and some of the open world quests can be boring or add little to nothing to the overall story. And yes, some of the animations are fairly dismal compared to what you would expect in 2017 but overall, they don’t jump out at you as terrible like most reviewers have claimed. That thought brings me to all the endless and mind-numbingly drool of complaints about how vanilla the characters are, how the voice acting is pathetically bad or how there isn’t any emotion to character interaction. Really? They must not be playing the same game that I’m play because those accusations couldn’t be further from reality. From what I’ve seen so far, the characters have distinct, memorable personalities, the VA is top notch (with some great one-liners) and interaction between the characters (especially squad mates) is a breath of fresh air. When considering the history of BioWare games and character development, ME:A stands right up on the top rungs of the ladder. As for the rest of the game, the combat is amazing, the new skill combination system is exactly what most of player base was asking for and the music is very fitting for “most” of the scenes. Overall, it’s very much a Mass Effect game and well worth the history of the franchise. All those terrible reviews I saw, read, listened to – well, I sure feel dumb believing them. The main thing you are having fun. No need to feel dumb about everything. Cheers, and enjoy! I loved the game from day one. It is unfortunate that no mainstream site gave voice to those who were happy with the Producr and appreciated it, but there is nothing for it now. edit: saw someone asking for the third PT, well, I am about done the second, I love it more than the first (it's NG+) and it will take discipline not to start the third one right away, as I want to see the next patch applied and see if it gives different skin textures. I was able to mod it in before 1.07 and I am in love with one of the presets that I want smoother skin on. If they don't patch it in June/July, I'd do the third round as is.
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Post by kino on May 24, 2017 19:28:36 GMT
Well put, OP. I played the game at launch, enjoyed it immensely (still do, truth be told), and could never understand where the virulent anger for the game was coming from. Still don't, except now I no longer care what the detractors say or attempt to understand. It wouldn't change anything about my opinion for the game or how much fun I've had playing it.
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Post by projectpatdc on May 24, 2017 19:36:35 GMT
Cmon, BSN is pretty slow anyways. Yeah, OP, MEA has a lot going for it. It's the biggest and most robust Mass Effect game and damn fun to play
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Post by Kappa Neko on May 24, 2017 19:38:25 GMT
The reviews and promotional gameplay videos helped me adjust my expectations to somewhere around zero. So now that I've finally been playing for two weeks it's not QUITE as awful as I expected in some areas while worse still in others. Overall, having zero expectations and having vented all my disbelief and disgust, I can somewhat enjoy the game now. Some parts are actually good. Combat for one is better than I expected. I expected awful bullet sponges. But not so. Biotics kill fast. Not as awesome as ME3 but SO MUCH better than DAI's combat.
So I'm glad I did not stick to my no spoilers or any kind of info policy or it would have been one hell of a disappointment. The game still feels like an April Fool's joke but at least I knew it would play like that before I fired it up. Accepting it for what it is helps enjoyment.
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Post by suikoden on May 24, 2017 19:38:35 GMT
Maybe because it's a 10/10 game? Makes you wonder why Andromeda is getting 5's and 6's - maybe because it's shit? Gosh you are still here, commenting on a game you apparently hate. It's like one of those children who go around pulling a girl's hair when they secretly fancy them. All you ever do is respond to my posts - it's flattering! I must really touch a nerve with you! Maybe you fancy me?
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Post by Reorte on May 24, 2017 19:52:54 GMT
Some of the complaints certainly have merit. However, the game is enjoyable to me and many others, despite all the criticism. If you're already of a miserable critical state of mind, good luck with that and much of life; some folk are perfectly happy being miserable (oh the paradox). I have personally enjoyed my time with the game despite its issues. I have learned to think for myself and form my own opinion, but also that I am the filter through which or misery will flow. It's up to me how I see anything, and no one else. "Miersable critical state of mind" describes my usual state of mind. However I enjoyed Andromeda. I didn't love it but I did enjoy it, and I'm enjoying my second playthrough, which so far is better than I recall (but I've only got as far as setting up Podromos, so haven't really got into the MMO-style quests with the maps full of samey content, which is the biggest fault of the game). Even playing it pre-patches I didn't have too many bugs in single player (MP is a different kettle of fish). IMO most of the complaints have merit, but the degree to which they're taken does not.
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Post by bshep on May 24, 2017 20:03:02 GMT
I’ll admit this right up front – listening to those early reviews was a HUGE mistake! As a massive fan of the original series, I, like many, was pretty jaded with the ending of ME:3 and so I refused to trust another BioWare game until I saw endless glowing reviews about how amazing Andromeda was. Even when friends told me the reviews were way off and the game was actually very fun and entertaining to play, I simply ignored them. After all, if someone makes a YouTube video about a game, it must be true – right? Long story short, I went ahead and bought the game a few days ago and to my surprise, it felt just like what I’ve always come to expect from a Mass Effect game – engaging. It’s like that amazing book you’ve read where you find yourself being unable to put it down because you “must know what happens next!” Granted, the early parts of the game are a bit slow and some of the open world quests can be boring or add little to nothing to the overall story. And yes, some of the animations are fairly dismal compared to what you would expect in 2017 but overall, they don’t jump out at you as terrible like most reviewers have claimed. That thought brings me to all the endless and mind-numbingly drool of complaints about how vanilla the characters are, how the voice acting is pathetically bad or how there isn’t any emotion to character interaction. Really? They must not be playing the same game that I’m play because those accusations couldn’t be further from reality. From what I’ve seen so far, the characters have distinct, memorable personalities, the VA is top notch (with some great one-liners) and interaction between the characters (especially squad mates) is a breath of fresh air. When considering the history of BioWare games and character development, ME:A stands right up on the top rungs of the ladder. As for the rest of the game, the combat is amazing, the new skill combination system is exactly what most of player base was asking for and the music is very fitting for “most” of the scenes. Overall, it’s very much a Mass Effect game and well worth the history of the franchise. All those terrible reviews I saw, read, listened to – well, I sure feel dumb believing them. I like this human he understand!
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Post by n7ltrobbiesann7 on May 24, 2017 20:48:56 GMT
Some of the complaints certainly have merit. However, the game is enjoyable to me and many others, despite all the criticism. If you're already of a miserable critical state of mind, good luck with that and much of life; some folk are perfectly happy being miserable (oh the paradox). I have personally enjoyed my time with the game despite its issues. I have learned to think for myself and form my own opinion, but also that I am the filter through which or misery will flow. It's up to me how I see anything, and no one else. "Miersable critical state of mind" describes my usual state of mind. However I enjoyed Andromeda. I didn't love it but I did enjoy it, and I'm enjoying my second playthrough, which so far is better than I recall (but I've only got as far as setting up Podromos, so haven't really got into the MMO-style quests with the maps full of samey content, which is the biggest fault of the game). Even playing it pre-patches I didn't have too many bugs in single player (MP is a different kettle of fish). IMO most of the complaints have merit, but the degree to which they're taken does not. Now there's an honest response. Thanks for that. In truth, I wasn't an RPG'r for the longest time. "Just give me something to shoot"was my motto for the longest time. Then I played ME1 and although it took me some time to allow myself to get into all the dialogue type play, and running around doing side-quests, I eventually changed my habitual thinking to allow myself to enjoy it. I rather enjoy it now. MEA is different for sure with the open world type of play, but I am enjoying it. And, sometimes, if you wish to change your inner perspective you have to tell that miserable little snotbag within to cut the shit, and change perspective, since it will likely not magically happen on it's own (learned, and now subconscious, behavioural patterns/programming). All said from experience.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 24, 2017 20:56:09 GMT
...All those terrible reviews I saw, read, listened to – well, I sure feel dumb believing them. The game in a polished state is a 8.5/10 in my view. At launch, knock a mark off for it's roughness. The launch reviews included some undeserved click-bait, but the lack of polish made those reviews easier to write.
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Post by danaxe on May 24, 2017 21:07:48 GMT
Well said. You are feeling what most people who played the game have felt. In the long run, I think that could turn up as a good thing. All Bioware needs to do now is deliver kickass DLC's (akin to DAI Trespasser) and the buzz for the game will start over, and all those millions who scorned the game and hated without playing will feel compelled to give it a try. In the end, life run of Andromeda will be stellar and sales will guarantee sequels. But for that, we need Bioware to do great DLCs. I'm hopeful. They know what's at stake after the bad launch the game had.
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Post by correctamundo on May 24, 2017 21:10:57 GMT
The game sure is more polished now than at release. There seems to be very few glitches left for me now. Still I have enjoyed it immensely since the prerelease testing. And still am and will be going forward.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 21:17:46 GMT
The game sure is more polished now than at release. There seems to be very few glitches left for me now. Still I have enjoyed it immensely since the prerelease testing. And still am and will be going forward. I still have a few broken missions I can't complete. Fix those up, and I'd give this game an 8/10. It's definately not as bad as the internet says. They sure love their "sensationalist hyperbole" as Stanley Woo/Ninja Stan loves to say. I'm aware they know about the mission problems, but I'm wondering if they're going to fix the animations first, then the incompletable missions? Or perhaps they'll do that soon in the next patch? Kind of inching my way from 99% to 100% completion, but I think a few broken ones might end up falling short of the mark.
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