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Post by danaxe on May 24, 2017 21:17:51 GMT
Interesting. I walked the complete opposite path. When the game was still in development I spend a lot of my time trying to convince my more skeptical friends to wait until the game got released before passing their judgement. When that time finally came I acknowledged some funny bugs and facial animations but I kept telling everyone that the reviews were wrong and that the game was great. I wanted this game to succeed so hard that I tried to stay positive as long as possible. But the longer I spend in ME:A the more I saw through my own idyllic view of the game: I wasn't having as much fun as I wanted to believe. Not by a long shot. This isn't because there is one big issue I have with the game, it's because of a shitton of smaller things which, when added up, ruin the experience for me. The longer I play, the more of these little issues and design decisions with which I just can't agree pop up. So I decided to leave the game for now and wait for further patches and DLC before completing my first playtrough. I do want to make a clear distinction between myself and the people who are out there trying to burn Bioware to the ground though. The Witch Hunt we currently face is completely unjustified. This isn't the worst game of all time, not even of this year or quarter. Everyone giving it a 1/10 or a 0/10 is a troll whose opinion should, imho, just be disregarded. This forum, youtube, metacritic and other platforms of social media can really do without the anti-bioware shitposting. There are a lot of people however, like me, whom are still Bioware fans but just dissapointed with their latest games. (Didn't like DA:I as well, in fact, I think it's worse than ME:A). As long as this dissapointment is voiced in a calm and reasonable matter and is backed up with alternative suggestions for future installments I see no problem with people voicing it. You sir, are the kind of "bioware-hater" we all need. You got your complaints, but you believe in complaining politely and with reason. If all we have are complainers who can only point flaws, laugh and scorn, everybody loses. We should not idolize and forgive Bioware despite their mistakes, we need to point them out and make them hear. Unfortunately the hate train screams so loud the "rational complaint train" has no chance of being heard.... Share your cool-aid with all of us please
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 21:22:03 GMT
What classifies as "unwarranted hate"? I literally described what I meant in the sentences before and after the sentence where I mentioned "unwarranted hate". In the first paragraph I said " it's an entirely different issue when everyone and their mother is on some kind of crusade to make it seem like ME:A is the worst thing ever to happen to gaming"; in second paragraph I said " it's not a perfect game...but it's definitely not a bad game by any stretch of the imagination". Reviewers making ME:A out to be some kind of gaming abomination...is unwarranted. Was it a game that could use a few updates and fixes? Sure. Was it a bad game? Not at all. It became popular to hate on Bioware (I suspect one of Bioware's former employees sparked the internet's Bioware hate), and tons of people jumped on the bandwagon to point out every flaw, ignoring any positives. Manveer Heir is the most recent example, but I think it started with Jennifer Hepler back in the day...
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Post by sctrojanbulldog on May 24, 2017 21:36:15 GMT
Just wanted to complement the OP for a well positioned perspective.
This game wasn't perfect but it is very good. I liked the story piece more than ME3's. Quite frankly, ME3's Multiplayer saved the game for a LOT of people. MEA (IMO) is a better game than ME3. The problem is in a few parts, it wasn't better enough; which is hard to do when re-booting an IP. Multiplayer should have been a lot better at launch... but it's getting there... after 1.06, 90 percent of the issues in MP have been resolved... now it's just fine tuning.
MEA story was by far, better than ME3. ME2's story was the most compelling, and ME1 may be just a little better than MEA; but, not by a huge amount.
on gameplay alone... MEA is WAY BETTER, I don't care what anyone else says. Once you get accustomed... holy geez, going back to the ME1-3 series is painful.
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Post by bizantura on May 24, 2017 22:04:53 GMT
Every game has pros and cons. The hour's gameplay I get out of Bioware games justifies MEA buying even with all warts attached. Making up your own mind is inevitable which no review can compensate, is my experience.
Cudos for ultimately taking the gamble and try MEA out.
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Post by warrior on May 25, 2017 0:31:48 GMT
Playing ME1 now I am seeing a lot of similarities... I like the storyline(s) and its development a lot more (just met Rachni Queen--such a cool moment, which has no correlative in MEA) but the "feel" of play is similar. As are the frustations. Like at least collecting minerals and other things in MEA does have a purpose (crafting, habitation), even if tedious to complete, but in ME1 it's all about XP and credits--part of me feels like I have to get those data discs, and I do that some, but it is pretty frustrating to drive that Mako around just to get them. I abandoned minerals quickly.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 25, 2017 1:52:35 GMT
I forgot about the minerals in ME1. I hated that button minigame.
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Post by dm04 on May 25, 2017 2:37:23 GMT
It's one thing to point out a game's flaws in hopes that the developers will fix them. Bethesda games are notorious for this. However, it's an entirely different issue when everyone and their mother is on some kind of crusade to make it seem like ME:A is the worst thing ever to happen to gaming. Constructive criticisms are fine, but the volumes of hate ME:A received were unwarranted. Like I've said before: it's not a perfect game...but it's definitely not a bad game by any stretch of the imagination. Define bad. To some it is a rainy day, to some it is a sunny day. Bad is bad and not utter garbage and crap. I can still enjoy and play a bad game. And sorry to wake you up, but MEA received what it deserved and I have yet to see this "hate". I am not lurking in some dark shady message boards and reading every youtube comment, so maybe there is hate, but this forum, and the youtube vids that are linked here, there is no hate in it. It is full of criticism, some good, some not so good, some born out of ignorance because the person doing had no idea (so yes bad), but hate? One reason why this "haters" are so damn zealous are people like you, who label their unliking of the game and because they dare to say "game is bad" as haters. MEA is playble, to some degree... cant count how often MEA crashed or I had to restart it because of some weird bugs, and on top of that, half the game is unpolished, unfinished, an alpha state game and we are not even talking about the subjective stuff like story and writing. The "bad" things about MEA are measurable and so yes, all MEA received was well deserved and warranted. And do not even dare to come with some BS arguments like "Bethesda has more bugs and noone hates it", thats BS, 1) Bethesda gets a lot of your so called hate for their many many bugs and 2) their open world games are on a whole different level... when BioWare would bring up MEA with this kind of features like TES or Fallout? Well, noone would bother with just one asari head model, the community would fix it in no time. Noone would bother with weird animations, the community would fixs it in no time. Noone would care about bugs because the community would fix that, soon enough (look at the unofficial patches for the TES games and even Fallouts). And I could go on and on and on. MEA has nothing, absolutely nothing, to bring to the table to play with the other boys in the AAA league.
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Post by colfoley on May 25, 2017 2:53:39 GMT
It's one thing to point out a game's flaws in hopes that the developers will fix them. Bethesda games are notorious for this. However, it's an entirely different issue when everyone and their mother is on some kind of crusade to make it seem like ME:A is the worst thing ever to happen to gaming. Constructive criticisms are fine, but the volumes of hate ME:A received were unwarranted. Like I've said before: it's not a perfect game...but it's definitely not a bad game by any stretch of the imagination. Define bad. To some it is a rainy day, to some it is a sunny day. Bad is bad and not utter garbage and crap. I can still enjoy and play a bad game. And sorry to wake you up, but MEA received what it deserved and I have yet to see this "hate". I am not lurking in some dark shady message boards and reading every youtube comment, so maybe there is hate, but this forum, and the youtube vids that are linked here, there is no hate in it. It is full of criticism, some good, some not so good, some born out of ignorance because the person doing had no idea (so yes bad), but hate? One reason why this "haters" are so damn zealous are people like you, who label their unliking of the game and because they dare to say "game is bad" as haters. MEA is playble, to some degree... cant count how often MEA crashed or I had to restart it because of some weird bugs, and on top of that, half the game is unpolished, unfinished, an alpha state game and we are not even talking about the subjective stuff like story and writing. The "bad" things about MEA are measurable and so yes, all MEA received was well deserved and warranted. And do not even dare to come with some BS arguments like "Bethesda has more bugs and noone hates it", thats BS, 1) Bethesda gets a lot of your so called hate for their many many bugs and 2) their open world games are on a whole different level... when BioWare would bring up MEA with this kind of features like TES or Fallout? Well, noone would bother with just one asari head model, the community would fix it in no time. Noone would bother with weird animations, the community would fixs it in no time. Noone would care about bugs because the community would fix that, soon enough (look at the unofficial patches for the TES games and even Fallouts). And I could go on and on and on. MEA has nothing, absolutely nothing, to bring to the table to play with the other boys in the AAA league. you bring up review scores to defend your argument. How mea got deserved criticism and how the game is a bad game. Well the last time i checked the combined scores on metacritic was hanging around 75. In my book that's good and in most people's books as well. Maybe not stellar. But you really can't say 'mea is a crap game just b look at the reviews' when the reviews don't support the argument.
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Post by suikoden on May 25, 2017 4:33:53 GMT
Define bad. To some it is a rainy day, to some it is a sunny day. Bad is bad and not utter garbage and crap. I can still enjoy and play a bad game. And sorry to wake you up, but MEA received what it deserved and I have yet to see this "hate". I am not lurking in some dark shady message boards and reading every youtube comment, so maybe there is hate, but this forum, and the youtube vids that are linked here, there is no hate in it. It is full of criticism, some good, some not so good, some born out of ignorance because the person doing had no idea (so yes bad), but hate? One reason why this "haters" are so damn zealous are people like you, who label their unliking of the game and because they dare to say "game is bad" as haters. MEA is playble, to some degree... cant count how often MEA crashed or I had to restart it because of some weird bugs, and on top of that, half the game is unpolished, unfinished, an alpha state game and we are not even talking about the subjective stuff like story and writing. The "bad" things about MEA are measurable and so yes, all MEA received was well deserved and warranted. And do not even dare to come with some BS arguments like "Bethesda has more bugs and noone hates it", thats BS, 1) Bethesda gets a lot of your so called hate for their many many bugs and 2) their open world games are on a whole different level... when BioWare would bring up MEA with this kind of features like TES or Fallout? Well, noone would bother with just one asari head model, the community would fix it in no time. Noone would bother with weird animations, the community would fixs it in no time. Noone would care about bugs because the community would fix that, soon enough (look at the unofficial patches for the TES games and even Fallouts). And I could go on and on and on. MEA has nothing, absolutely nothing, to bring to the table to play with the other boys in the AAA league. you bring up review scores to defend your argument. How mea got deserved criticism and how the game is a bad game. Well the last time i checked the combined scores on metacritic was hanging around 75. In my book that's good and in most people's books as well. Maybe not stellar. But you really can't say 'mea is a crap game just b look at the reviews' when the reviews don't support the argument. That's awful for a AAA game. That's as low as most people were willing to go to ensure they get future review copies for EA if anything. Andromeda is like the 70th highest rated PS4 game this year, to put its awfulness into perspective. Edit: it's 82nd (tied for 87th) out of 130 games. That's horrendous.
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Post by unwanted on May 25, 2017 5:26:20 GMT
I listened to the reviews before buying Dragon age Inquisition, they where glowing reviews so it was a no brainer, or was it? I quickly found out that DA:I was the most boring pile of skunk doo-doo I have ever played. So yes, the majority of reviews suck, and their authors take bribes of some form or other.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 6:25:27 GMT
I listened to the reviews before buying Dragon age Inquisition, they where glowing reviews so it was a no brainer, or was it? I quickly found out that DA:I was the most boring pile of skunk doo-doo I have ever played. So yes, the majority of reviews suck, and their authors take bribes of some form or other. The only sure way is to wait, and watch lets-play vids on youtube. They don't take bribes or anything. DAI was an amazing game by the time it came out, sure if it was released today it would've had the same reaction as MEA. There is a reason why Bioware decided to launch DAI before the release of TW3 because everyone knew it would be the gold standart. Nonetheless it surpassed Shadow of Mordor and became GOTY you can't do it with bribes
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Post by ioannisdenton on May 25, 2017 6:47:51 GMT
my thoughts man! started playing the game 5 days ago . so far (not even in EOS as the game has a great amount of detail till then surpassed my expectations. this game feels alive) Disliking =/= hating. People blindly hate this game. The amount of LIES and misinformation regarding Andromeda is staggering. With 1.07 patch enabled i simply cannot see ANY issues regarding the faces. I really apreciate what i see and play so far.
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Post by ioannisdenton on May 25, 2017 6:51:44 GMT
I should probably also mention that while I loved the intense, cataclysmic feel the first three games, I also like the more light-hearted feel of ME:A. To me, it makes sense as the protagonist, unlike Shepard, isn't a professional soldier and is essentially untested. He/She won't act at all like Shepard considering within the first few moments of ME:1, Shepard was already receiving direct information from the Prothean beacons.Also, while I've only been playing for a short while, I simply adore Sara and her "adorkable" personality. It almost hurts to play her like a total sarcastic jerk. This. also the young of age. The change in tone is welcome and you can actually CAn be serious in your responses.
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Post by unwanted on May 25, 2017 6:52:34 GMT
I listened to the reviews before buying Dragon age Inquisition, they where glowing reviews so it was a no brainer, or was it? I quickly found out that DA:I was the most boring pile of skunk doo-doo I have ever played. So yes, the majority of reviews suck, and their authors take bribes of some form or other. The only sure way is to wait, and watch lets-play vids on youtube. They don't take bribes or anything. DAI was an amazing game by the time it came out, sure if it was released today it would've had the same reaction as MEA. There is a reason why Bioware decided to launch DAI before the release of TW3 because everyone knew it would be the gold standart. Nonetheless it surpassed Shadow of Mordor and became GOTY you can't do it with bribes Your welcome to your opinion. If there is one thing Bioware get right, it's hype, but hype didn't cut it with Andromeda, as most knew what they would be getting after their experience with Inquisition, and this time, decided to call a halt to the misguided direction Bioware was taking.
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Post by suikoden on May 25, 2017 7:08:45 GMT
I listened to the reviews before buying Dragon age Inquisition, they where glowing reviews so it was a no brainer, or was it? I quickly found out that DA:I was the most boring pile of skunk doo-doo I have ever played. So yes, the majority of reviews suck, and their authors take bribes of some form or other. The only sure way is to wait, and watch lets-play vids on youtube. They don't take bribes or anything. DAI was an amazing game by the time it came out, sure if it was released today it would've had the same reaction as MEA. There is a reason why Bioware decided to launch DAI before the release of TW3 because everyone knew it would be the gold standart. Nonetheless it surpassed Shadow of Mordor and became GOTY you can't do it with bribes They basically do take bribes in the form of ad revenue for AAA games. That's why many games - like Andromeda or Inquisition, will get a higher scores than they deserve. kotaku.com/5893785/yes-a-games-writer-was-fired-over-review-scores
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Post by ioannisdenton on May 25, 2017 7:15:06 GMT
I listened to the reviews before buying Dragon age Inquisition, they where glowing reviews so it was a no brainer, or was it? I quickly found out that DA:I was the most boring pile of skunk doo-doo I have ever played. So yes, the majority of reviews suck, and their authors take bribes of some form or other. The only sure way is to wait, and watch lets-play vids on youtube. They don't take bribes or anything. DAI was an amazing game by the time it came out, sure if it was released today it would've had the same reaction as MEA. There is a reason why Bioware decided to launch DAI before the release of TW3 because everyone knew it would be the gold standart. Nonetheless it surpassed Shadow of Mordor and became GOTY you can't do it with bribes Pfff as much as good witcher it is NO perfect. the combat feels repetitve after 50 hours, the menu is not so good and witcher 3 lacks the replayability of Inquisition has. You can roleplayas male/female with 2 voice actors 3 classes and 3 specialisations. ALso more variety in scenery. Both games have gorgeous enviroments. i ve played both more than one. wicther3 on the second playthrough lost some charm, inquisition grew bigger
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Post by abaris on May 25, 2017 7:19:38 GMT
MEA has nothing, absolutely nothing, to bring to the table to play with the other boys in the AAA league. It has quite a lot to bring to the table. Comparing Bethesda and Bioware is comparing apples and oranges. I certainly play them for different reasons, since Bethesda never had much of a story to draw me in. Most cringeworthy with lost son in FO4. I play Bethesda for the available mods and the exploration, Bioware's for the character interactions mainly. In my case, that's the source of my disappointment, since I hardly got the feeling of playing a lead I could immerse myself in and to feel at home chatting with my pixel companions. I still call it a good game and would now rate it somewhere between 6 and 7. Which brings me back to reviewers. The ones I like and go looking for advice, came up with the same rating. The secret lies in looking at previous reviews of a certain person. Of games I already own, and to look, if that reviewers mirrors my tastes and my judgment of the particular game. Then I can say that they will probably look for the same things in games as I do, and I can trust them to not be entirely wrong.
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Post by abaris on May 25, 2017 7:27:08 GMT
Knowing the inner workings of magazines in general, this is certainly true. But it only scrapes the surface. It's more subtle than just ad money. If the particular developer or publisher feels that a certain journalist is likely to deliver a critical review or preview, they don't get invited to events, early game presentations and get their preview or review copies at a later time than others. Which means, they can't report on a story other magazines have. They are put at a disadvantage by the company simply ignoring their calls or by putting them last in line. That said, you could observe a lower rating by professional reviewers with this game. In the 70ies, sometimes in the 80ies, and I think noone rated it 90+. That in itself is saying something and points to the fact that playing along was no longer an option if they wanted to be taken seriously with any future review.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 8:25:50 GMT
They don't take bribes or anything. DAI was an amazing game by the time it came out, sure if it was released today it would've had the same reaction as MEA. There is a reason why Bioware decided to launch DAI before the release of TW3 because everyone knew it would be the gold standart. Nonetheless it surpassed Shadow of Mordor and became GOTY you can't do it with bribes They basically do take bribes in the form of ad revenue for AAA games. That's why many games - like Andromeda or Inquisition, will get a higher scores than they deserve. kotaku.com/5893785/yes-a-games-writer-was-fired-over-review-scoresIf it's one or two reviewers true but not while you're picking GOTY
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They don't take bribes or anything. DAI was an amazing game by the time it came out, sure if it was released today it would've had the same reaction as MEA. There is a reason why Bioware decided to launch DAI before the release of TW3 because everyone knew it would be the gold standart. Nonetheless it surpassed Shadow of Mordor and became GOTY you can't do it with bribes Pfff as much as good witcher it is NO perfect. the combat feels repetitve after 50 hours, the menu is not so good and witcher 3 lacks the replayability of Inquisition has. You can roleplayas male/female with 2 voice actors 3 classes and 3 specialisations. ALso more variety in scenery. Both games have gorgeous enviroments. i ve played both more than one. wicther3 on the second playthrough lost some charm, inquisition grew bigger Nothing is perfect but it's the gold standart of modern day RPGs
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They don't take bribes or anything. DAI was an amazing game by the time it came out, sure if it was released today it would've had the same reaction as MEA. There is a reason why Bioware decided to launch DAI before the release of TW3 because everyone knew it would be the gold standart. Nonetheless it surpassed Shadow of Mordor and became GOTY you can't do it with bribes Your welcome to your opinion. If there is one thing Bioware get right, it's hype, but hype didn't cut it with Andromeda, as most knew what they would be getting after their experience with Inquisition, and this time, decided to call a halt to the misguided direction Bioware was taking. I was disappointed by Andromeda too, all I'm saying is that although MEA and DAI are sinilir, DAI came out at the time where open world sandboxes were not being overdone yet. Your point goes for nearly every game really, big open worlds with little to do in it. It sums up 80% of AAA games that came out in the last 3 years or so
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Post by correctamundo on May 25, 2017 9:18:20 GMT
Pfff as much as good witcher it is NO perfect. the combat feels repetitve after 50 hours, the menu is not so good and witcher 3 lacks the replayability of Inquisition has. You can roleplayas male/female with 2 voice actors 3 classes and 3 specialisations. ALso more variety in scenery. Both games have gorgeous enviroments. i ve played both more than one. wicther3 on the second playthrough lost some charm, inquisition grew bigger Nothing is perfect but it's the gold standart of modern day RPGs If that is true we're in for a bleak future. As much as i like the game it is severely lacking when it comes to protagonist and companions. Anyway I think it is the golden standard mainly for the witcher fanbois not so much for those of us that wants a broader brush to paint with.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 9:26:42 GMT
Nothing is perfect but it's the gold standart of modern day RPGs If that is true we're in for a bleak future. As much as i like the game it is severely lacking when it comes to protagonist and companions. Anyway I think it is the golden standard mainly for the witcher fanbois not so much for those of us that wants a broader brush to paint with. I hope you realise that it has won over 800 awards. It has nothing to do with fanboying it's simply a very good game, if you don't think so it's your opinion but you should know that you're the minority here and a very minor one
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Post by correctamundo on May 25, 2017 9:31:51 GMT
If that is true we're in for a bleak future. As much as i like the game it is severely lacking when it comes to protagonist and companions. Anyway I think it is the golden standard mainly for the witcher fanbois not so much for those of us that wants a broader brush to paint with. I hope you realise that it has won over 800 awards. It has nothing to do with fanboying it's simply a very good game, if you don't think so it's your opinion but you should know that you're the minority here and a very minor one Sure. :amirite:
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