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Post by alanc9 on May 25, 2017 16:16:29 GMT
I have some theories on the reason for the negative reviews on launch - but I'm not going to share them on here, because they would prove quite controversial, and almost certainly get me flamed from any Breitbart/8chan-reading 'alt right' types who frequent these boards. So post and get flamed. Getting flamed by those clowns is a badge of honor.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 25, 2017 16:21:03 GMT
I have some theories on the reason for the negative reviews on launch - but I'm not going to share them on here, because they would prove quite controversial, and almost certainly get me flamed from any Breitbart/8chan-reading 'alt right' types who frequent these boards.
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Post by Iakus on May 25, 2017 16:38:27 GMT
I have some theories on the reason for the negative reviews on launch - but I'm not going to share them on here, because they would prove quite controversial, and almost certainly get me flamed from any Breitbart/8chan-reading 'alt right' types who frequent these boards. So post and get flamed. Getting flamed by those clowns is a badge of honor. I've been flamed by the best.
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Post by colfoley on May 25, 2017 18:44:33 GMT
The takeaway is different things matter differently to different people. If you value bugs and polish it's fair to judge MEA harshly. But for those who don't we'll give MEA a better grade because at least for me bw is on the leading edge of story, Character, gameplay, and rp elements. And at least for me the only game out this generation that has come close to challenging them is TW3. And since I already played the game, you making these points in a review, wouldn't be taken seriously by me, since we clearly have different expectations and tastes. That's why I keep stressing that tastes in gaming being in accordance between reviewer and player are crucial when watching or reading them. I watched the Angry Joe review before buying. And since he almost always is in line with my own opinions, I felt save buying it based on the fact that I would be able to overlook the game's shortcomings, and most of all, knowing what I was in for. i believe i just said...well all of that. Granted i was talking about the game but the same principle applies to reviews.
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Post by linksocarina on May 25, 2017 21:00:53 GMT
So post and get flamed. Getting flamed by those clowns is a badge of honor. I've been flamed by the best. I relish the flaming... It's fun to watch people burn themselves in the process.
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Post by LilTIM on May 25, 2017 21:01:53 GMT
The main reason i don't like the game is because it's only superficially deep. The first playthrough is good enough if you just follow along the story to the end, as it is shown. However as soon as you apply some scrutiny, the whole narrative falls down and reveals issues typical of a rushed game.
And yeah, BW going all political on their recent games is also a detriment, if anything because it's now affecting the narrative (ex. token characters, issues coming out of nowhere, etc.) because they have some checklist they must fulfill to please all these political agendas.
I went to the game slightly optimistic to move to another galaxy and forget the whole ME3 shenanigans. BW failed to make it compelling, and now i'm pretty much waiting to see if the quarian dlc is of the same sitcom quality, before i give up on the game.
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Post by alihou on May 25, 2017 21:19:05 GMT
Worse game ever? No. However this game has major problems. All bugs aside, animations etc. The writing isn't very good, the characters are very stale, and everything's just so casual. I think they were going for a "Guardians of the Galaxy" vibe, but the writing and character writing is subpar. Also, this game doesn't need the padding it has. If some of the fat was trimmed, I think the experience would've been more enjoyable.
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Post by abaris on May 25, 2017 21:25:00 GMT
And yeah, BW going all political on their recent games is also a detriment, if anything because it's now affecting the narrative (ex. token characters, issues coming out of nowhere, etc.) because they have some checklist they must fulfill to please all these political agendas. I was with you all through your first paragraph, but now I'm out. The Alex Jones virus runs deep with all too many people. The major reasons why valid complaints got burried in an ocean of shit at release of this game.
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Post by colfoley on May 25, 2017 23:14:30 GMT
The main reason i don't like the game is because it's only superficially deep. The first playthrough is good enough if you just follow along the story to the end, as it is shown. However as soon as you apply some scrutiny, the whole narrative falls down and reveals issues typical of a rushed game. And yeah, BW going all political on their recent games is also a detriment, if anything because it's now affecting the narrative (ex. token characters, issues coming out of nowhere, etc.) because they have some checklist they must fulfill to please all these political agendas. I went to the game slightly optimistic to move to another galaxy and forget the whole ME3 shenanigans. BW failed to make it compelling, and now i'm pretty much waiting to see if the quarian dlc is of the same sitcom quality, before i give up on the game. you know despite all the complaints about this games narrative sucking I have heard almost zero justification of that stance whereas I have gone to great lengths explaining how strong the games narrative is and why i feel that way.
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Post by smilesja on May 26, 2017 3:02:36 GMT
What agenda has Bioware been pushing? From all the complaints, people make it sound like the entire game is about social justice.
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Post by smilesja on May 26, 2017 3:14:53 GMT
You know if I listened to reviews I would never have picked up DA 2 and therefore I'll most likely will not be in this forum as a fan today.
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Post by suikoden on May 26, 2017 4:10:39 GMT
The main reason i don't like the game is because it's only superficially deep. The first playthrough is good enough if you just follow along the story to the end, as it is shown. However as soon as you apply some scrutiny, the whole narrative falls down and reveals issues typical of a rushed game. And yeah, BW going all political on their recent games is also a detriment, if anything because it's now affecting the narrative (ex. token characters, issues coming out of nowhere, etc.) because they have some checklist they must fulfill to please all these political agendas. I went to the game slightly optimistic to move to another galaxy and forget the whole ME3 shenanigans. BW failed to make it compelling, and now i'm pretty much waiting to see if the quarian dlc is of the same sitcom quality, before i give up on the game. you know despite all the complaints about this games narrative sucking I have heard almost zero justification of that stance whereas I have gone to great lengths explaining how strong the games narrative is and why i feel that way. That's because you choose not to accept the narrative criticisms that you hear/read and brush them off. It's a bland, generic story that rehashes the trilogy.
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Post by smilesja on May 26, 2017 4:12:51 GMT
you know despite all the complaints about this games narrative sucking I have heard almost zero justification of that stance whereas I have gone to great lengths explaining how strong the games narrative is and why i feel that way. That's because you choose not to accept the narrative criticisms that you hear/read and brush them off. It's a bland, generic story that rehashes the trilogy. Or is it because he disagrees with them?
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Post by colfoley on May 26, 2017 4:13:07 GMT
you know despite all the complaints about this games narrative sucking I have heard almost zero justification of that stance whereas I have gone to great lengths explaining how strong the games narrative is and why i feel that way. That's because you choose not to accept the narrative criticisms that you hear/read and brush them off. It's a bland, generic story that rehashes the trilogy. not really. I rarely hear that in almost any quarter...and while i understand that criticism i also disagree with it.
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Post by dm04 on May 26, 2017 8:38:43 GMT
you know despite all the complaints about this games narrative sucking I have heard almost zero justification of that stance whereas I have gone to great lengths explaining how strong the games narrative is and why i feel that way. That's because you choose not to accept the narrative criticisms that you hear/read and brush them off. It's a bland, generic story that rehashes the trilogy. Hah, was just writing the same but then canceled it because colfoley 's answer will 99% be "I do not care because I like the game". On the one hand asking for arguments just to sweep and dismiss them right after because they do not fit his opinion/agenda.
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Post by ioannisdenton on May 26, 2017 8:51:10 GMT
Man gamers are the worst customers. There is a day coming when due to the constant whinning we simply won't be getting any good games except shallow Mp-only ones. And they will sell millions as they do now. You are not helping the various developers this way. Wildlands sold millions. Many here own it i bet. I quit. No hope at all. You are not happy with anything. So far in andromeda i am blown away. Like i was in wicther. And in Da:I. But noooooo: "my little sorry ass want something else i saw in that other game" go play that other game then. This is not critisicm. ALso: Double standards. Most of you have them.
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Post by ioannisdenton on May 26, 2017 8:52:26 GMT
You know if I listened to reviews I would never have picked up DA 2 and therefore I'll most likely will not be in this forum as a fan today. Man Da2 had truly something unique apart the flaw that was the repetitive enviroments. I loved that game and it has more replayability than Origins for me
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Post by dm04 on May 26, 2017 8:54:19 GMT
That's because you choose not to accept the narrative criticisms that you hear/read and brush them off. It's a bland, generic story that rehashes the trilogy. Or is it because he disagrees with them? Thats not how things (should) work. Colfo asks for arguments and then dismisses them without giving counter arguments. If not going to listen to arguments, why ask for some? Arguments are there to give you another perspective and optimaly they change your mind, but ultimately you have to counter them. Basicaly... the pro lobby says most of the time "I love the game" without saying why, and it is perfectly fine for the rest of the pro lobby. On the other hand, when someone says "I dislike the game" (or god forbid "hate the game"), this claim is instatly dismissed if not given arguments. Even worse, even given arguments are dismissed. Here I will give you an example of bad writing and narrative: Hyperion hits the Scourge. So the ark leaves the empty dark space to enter the not so empty galaxy space, a service crew is awake. They plot a course to their designated golden world and well, leave the bridge for the rest of the journey. The scourge is huge and not invisible, it emites high radiation, according to game, there is no way someone could miss it. Yah they are not military but imagine it like a civilian ship on the high seas, plot the course and all go below deck "everything will be all fine"... I am certain some people working in that area will disagree. So now, come on, tell us why THIS is perfectly written and have great narrative. Tell us how it makes sense, how the scourge just appeared out of nowhere to engulf the ark to take Ryder #2 out of the equation for 90% of the game so BW do not have to bore coming up with some meaningful decent story. I certainly am quite curious what you will tell me about this. Folks already failed at selling me the mutiny, now I am eager to hear something about this.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 9:04:36 GMT
I just find it boring. It's just so damn boring. The dialogue is akin to a kindergarden student. The GFX are unforgivably broken. The soundtrack is very very poor. The Facial Animations are WORSE the ME1s. We've come a long way and we get a buggy broken game at release with gfx problems and crappy dialogue. Now forgive me for complaining when i've spunked up some of my hard earned cash on this shite. The BIoderp fanbois can all huddle in a corner and glop over this unfinished garbage while the rest of us play games like Horizon Zero Dawn and the like that have no issues and better story/dialogue. When was the last time you played ME1? because your comment on facial animations is not true. And while I am really enjoying Horizon, it is full of weird facial animations, slightly off lip sinking and it's fair share of cheesy lines. There is no need to lie about stuff in other games just to justify not liking MEA. It's ok that you don't like it, just like it is ok that I did. when was the last time I played 1? about 15 minutes ago. As far as calling me a liar well you know there are certain things in place for defamation of character. you should read up on thm before you end up experiencing them.
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Post by phantomrachie on May 26, 2017 9:19:08 GMT
When was the last time you played ME1? because your comment on facial animations is not true. And while I am really enjoying Horizon, it is full of weird facial animations, slightly off lip sinking and it's fair share of cheesy lines. There is no need to lie about stuff in other games just to justify not liking MEA. It's ok that you don't like it, just like it is ok that I did. I played ME1 just last week, and honesty there isn't all that much in it between ME1 and MEA. I think the better take away here is when ME1 came out people were wowed by how well animated and expressive the characters were... in a good way. Large scale use of 3D, voiced animated characters were in their infancy back then and to my memory, the next best thing you had to Mass Effect was Oblivion, and it was more than fair to say that the animations in ME1 were a quantum leap forward from that... we really shouldn't even be comparing games made a decade apart though... it shouldn't even be on the radar, that would be like comparing ME1 to Diablo or something. I agree I don't there is a huge difference between the two games, but I also don't think there is a huge difference between the animations in any of the Mass Effect games. ME3 probably had the most polished though. With the exception of a couple of studios who have made facial animations one of their top priorities, there hasn't been a whole lot of advancement in facial animation in general in the last 10 years. ME1 animations were revolutionary at the time and BioWare has only made incremental improvements since then. When was the last time you played ME1? because your comment on facial animations is not true. And while I am really enjoying Horizon, it is full of weird facial animations, slightly off lip sinking and it's fair share of cheesy lines. There is no need to lie about stuff in other games just to justify not liking MEA. It's ok that you don't like it, just like it is ok that I did. when was the last time I played 1? about 15 minutes ago. As far as calling me a liar well you know there are certain things in place for defamation of character. you should read up on thm before you end up experiencing them.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 9:20:43 GMT
Basing your own opinion on what someone else said is always a mistake, especially if you can easily verify that yourself.
Listening others opinions is smart but you should always keep in mind that their opinions are based on their expectations, desires, prejudices or emotions which can significantly differs from yours.
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Post by ioannisdenton on May 26, 2017 9:27:08 GMT
The most aggravating is the Gaming press who validated the hate towards this game. The gaming Press and their double standards. Skyrim was not functional at launch so 10/10
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Post by colfoley on May 26, 2017 10:04:12 GMT
That's because you choose not to accept the narrative criticisms that you hear/read and brush them off. It's a bland, generic story that rehashes the trilogy. Hah, was just writing the same but then canceled it because colfoley 's answer will 99% be "I do not care because I like the game". On the one hand asking for arguments just to sweep and dismiss them right after because they do not fit his opinion/agenda. i do care. I care because i am genuinely curious about the differing opinions and to see if there is something I've genuinely missed. The complaints about Andromeda being a rehash of the OT, for example, is a perfectly valid point...i just disagree.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 10:20:39 GMT
I played ME1 just last week, and honesty there isn't all that much in it between ME1 and MEA. I think the better take away here is when ME1 came out people were wowed by how well animated and expressive the characters were... in a good way. Large scale use of 3D, voiced animated characters were in their infancy back then and to my memory, the next best thing you had to Mass Effect was Oblivion, and it was more than fair to say that the animations in ME1 were a quantum leap forward from that... we really shouldn't even be comparing games made a decade apart though... it shouldn't even be on the radar, that would be like comparing ME1 to Diablo or something. I agree I don't there is a huge difference between the two games, but I also don't think there is a huge difference between the animations in any of the Mass Effect games. ME3 probably had the most polished though. With the exception of a couple of studios who have made facial animations one of their top priorities, there hasn't been a whole lot of advancement in facial animation in general in the last 10 years. ME1 animations were revolutionary at the time and BioWare has only made incremental improvements since then. when was the last time I played 1? about 15 minutes ago. As far as calling me a liar well you know there are certain things in place for defamation of character. you should read up on thm before you end up experiencing them. glad you enjoyed that.
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