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Post by jclosed on May 26, 2017 15:04:45 GMT
Indeed people have blown that Addison animation (that's long gone by now) completely out of proportion. For example - in Fallout 4 there are facial animations that will give you acute nightmares. I only have to point out an certain old lady that warns you veerry sloooowlyyy for "something...... angry". That one is about a thousand times worse than those Addison glitches. Still - Fallout 4 (and their developers) get away with it. Why? I have no idea.. Really. And there are many more in that game (think about some weird faces Piper shows you for instance). So - Indeed... Outrage for only a few seconds in a 60H+ during game, and other games that have the same issues or much worse get away with it. Very selective... Right, an old lady who's on drugs. How do you expect an old chicken head to talk to you? I mean. Jesus. I don't find her creepy at all. I'm just saying to her, "Jesus, what color crack are you smoking?" It's like you've been desensitized to crack heads, or perhaps not even encountered them at all. I'm wondering what kind'a world you live in, because I wanna live there. Whereby you have no problems and the problems of others you just call "creepy". If you have no problems with that animation, I am afraid you are suffering from a selective blindness. And the world I live in? Well I could say that is none of your business, but for your information.. I worked with a lot of artists, both musical and graphical. And I have seen my share of really bad things that plays in that scene. I have seen friends of me go under and even die of drug abuse. Some names could even be familiar to you. So don't accuse me of being "out of reality", because I have seen my share of raw harsh "real" reality. More than enough - Thank you.
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Post by The Twilight God on May 26, 2017 15:07:02 GMT
For one reason or another, the internet was determined to hate this game from the very beginning. We saw evidence of that as much as a year before the game even released. Only an out-of-the-park 10/10 game could have beaten that determination, and MEA certainly wasn't a 10/10. It's a damn shame that the internet may have killed ME. Bioware killed ME at the end of ME3 when they insisted on upholding the "integrity" of the endings. They wrecked their own universe in not acknowledging the obvious and continuing on in the Milky Way.
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Post by danaxe on May 26, 2017 15:16:21 GMT
I decided to buy the game and give it a chance...my god I wish I hadn't. Seriously. To quote myself from another thread: Ok, thanks for sharing your opinion. We all have a right to do so.
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Post by goishen on May 26, 2017 15:28:44 GMT
Right, an old lady who's on drugs. How do you expect an old chicken head to talk to you? I mean. Jesus. I don't find her creepy at all. I'm just saying to her, "Jesus, what color crack are you smoking?" It's like you've been desensitized to crack heads, or perhaps not even encountered them at all. I'm wondering what kind'a world you live in, because I wanna live there. Whereby you have no problems and the problems of others you just call "creepy". If you have no problems with that animation, I am afraid you are suffering from a selective blindness. And the world I live in? Well I could say that is none of your business, but for your information.. I worked with a lot of artists, both musical and graphical. And I have seen my share of really bad things that plays in that scene. I have seen friends of me go under and even die of drug abuse. Some names could even be familiar to you. So don't accuse me of being "out of reality", because I have seen my share of raw harsh "real" reality. More than enough - Thank you. Sure, the animation? Sure. It's way fucked. The VA nailed it though. The same can't be said of the Addison animation. The VA isn't convincing (hard to believe when she's presented with such works of art, I know) and the animation is shit. But you see, you were confusing two things, into an immediate sense of immersion. VA on the Fallout side did an incredible job. Addison, did not. Of course, as I said before, you can only work with what you're presented. I can deal with a glossy eyed stare and a frozen face if the story's good. If it's not, I'm pointing it all out.
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Post by abaris on May 26, 2017 15:34:22 GMT
Bioware killed ME at the end of ME3 when they insisted on upholding the "integrity" of the endings. They wrecked their own universe in not acknowledging the obvious and continuing on in the Milky Way. The setting was fine. Why not leave the Milky Way? That certainly isn't the problem this game faces, unless someone's a hardcore fan of the trilogy and simply hates to leave the familar settings. The animations aren't the problem either. Not anymore at least. For one thing, based on my personal feelings, it's the dialogue writing, that won't go away. And secondly it's most of the companions that don't rise up to previous games. Not even the ME series, but Bioware games in general. And thirdly, it's the largely empty worlds, even as compared to DAI. There's only generic stuff in there. A whole lot of dropped in enemies and critters to fight, if you're so inclined, a few caches to open and a few generic ruins.
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Post by smilesja on May 26, 2017 18:55:49 GMT
Oh I see - you're one of those people who compare tertiary characters to companions. Sorry tertiary characters as a justification aint going to cut it. Addison's scene was part of the opening story, not some random filler/comic relief. And the animations were still not that good
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Post by colfoley on May 26, 2017 19:00:04 GMT
Sorry tertiary characters as a justification aint going to cut it. Addison's scene was part of the opening story, not some random filler/comic relief. And the animations were still not that good it is worth noting that facial animations aren't something I've ever cared about...still don't actually...but going back to watch some MET stuff after this 'controversy'...yikes.
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Post by correctamundo on May 26, 2017 19:18:14 GMT
And the animations were still not that good it is worth noting that facial animations aren't something I've ever cared about...still don't actually...but going back to watch some MET stuff after this 'controversy'...yikes. Still Conrad is always good for cheering you up on a rainy day though.
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Post by ozzie on May 26, 2017 19:27:43 GMT
For me it's just little stuff and attention to detail, body language, shrugs, head inclination, even the Asari in the background face-palming when he talks about his wife paying for his shuttle transfer off-world. Then you play ME:A and people don't even look at you while they are talking to you, you feel like shouting at them "Look I just risked life and limb to save your bloody friends, stop playing with the McGuffin on your wrist for just two damn minutes and acknowledge that I exist!"
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Post by colfoley on May 26, 2017 19:53:27 GMT
it is worth noting that facial animations aren't something I've ever cared about...still don't actually...but going back to watch some MET stuff after this 'controversy'...yikes. Still Conrad is always good for cheering you up on a rainy day though. yeah his sister is the real nut.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 20:10:09 GMT
Heh, did people just favorably compared anything related to a face in FO4 to Andromeda in any patch? Because I've played FO4 for an hour during yesterday's free trial, and my expert opinion of its graphics is: "Ye gods, run for the hills!"
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Post by decafhigh on May 26, 2017 20:18:38 GMT
Heh, did people just favorably compared anything related to a face in FO4 to Andromeda in any patch? Because I've played FO4 for an hour during yesterday's free trial, and my expert opinion of its graphics is: "Ye gods, run for the hills!" Meh, Bethesda always has issues with textures since they have to be scaled down so far for the idiot boxes. That's just part of the trade off for a Bethesda game due to the scale of their worlds. At least I can make a female protagonist in FO4 that doesn't look like one of her parents is an ape. /shrug
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 20:21:17 GMT
Heh, did people just favorably compared anything related to a face in FO4 to Andromeda in any patch? Because I've played FO4 for an hour during yesterday's free trial, and my expert opinion of its graphics is: "Ye gods, run for the hills!" Meh, Bethesda always has issues with textures since they have to be scaled down so far for the idiot boxes. That's just part of the trade off for a Bethesda game due to the scale of their worlds. At least I can make a female protagonist in FO4 that doesn't look like one of her parents is an ape. /shrug Funny you say that, because I was thinking just how horrendous protagonists looked in FO4. I customized both, and ye gods, run for the hills.... pretty much what tuned me off the game. Thanks for the free trial, but... yeah, no thank you. Andromeda gals look like they are Aphrodite reborn in comparison to that nightmare, and actually...alive not made out of plastic.
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Post by decafhigh on May 26, 2017 20:26:43 GMT
Meh, Bethesda always has issues with textures since they have to be scaled down so far for the idiot boxes. That's just part of the trade off for a Bethesda game due to the scale of their worlds. At least I can make a female protagonist in FO4 that doesn't look like one of her parents is an ape. /shrug Funny you say that, because I was thinking just how horrendous protagonists looked in FO4. I customized both, and ye gods, run for the hills.... pretty much what tuned me off the game. Thanks for the free trial, but... yeah, no thank you. The FO4 CC isn't very intuitive. You have to play with it to get a feel for it. It is light years more flexible than MEA's though and the base presets actually have proper human proportions. You can make some really great or really wild looking characters and just about anything in between once you get the hang of it. Far better than MEAs pick which flavor of ugly you want.
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Funny you say that, because I was thinking just how horrendous protagonists looked in FO4. I customized both, and ye gods, run for the hills.... pretty much what tuned me off the game. Thanks for the free trial, but... yeah, no thank you. The FO4 CC isn't very intuitive. You have to play with it to get a feel for it. It is light years more flexible than MEA's though and the base presets actually have proper human proportions. You can make some really great or really wild looking characters and just about anything in between once you get the hang of it. Far better than MEAs pick which flavor of ugly you want. Don't know about that there were a lot of good looking Ryder's in the forums despite the limitations
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Post by colfoley on May 26, 2017 20:32:43 GMT
The FO4 CC isn't very intuitive. You have to play with it to get a feel for it. It is light years more flexible than MEA's though and the base presets actually have proper human proportions. You can make some really great or really wild looking characters and just about anything in between once you get the hang of it. Far better than MEAs pick which flavor of ugly you want. Don't know about that there were a lot of good looking Ryder's in the forums despite the limitations i think my bro is the best male character I've ever created. No homo.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 20:37:26 GMT
Funny you say that, because I was thinking just how horrendous protagonists looked in FO4. I customized both, and ye gods, run for the hills.... pretty much what tuned me off the game. Thanks for the free trial, but... yeah, no thank you. The FO4 CC isn't very intuitive. You have to play with it to get a feel for it. It is light years more flexible than MEA's though and the base presets actually have proper human proportions. You can make some really great or really wild looking characters and just about anything in between once you get the hang of it. Far better than MEAs pick which flavor of ugly you want. The FO4 characters look awful to me. I spent most of my hour in CC. The rest of it was walking around a house with nothing happening. i think I have seen as much as I needed it to get it that the Andromeda is even more brilliant than it appears when not compared to the other games released about the same time. I just really disliked the look of FO4, and that's even discounting that the one year old game did not recognize my extra-wide monitor and could not be forced to run in anything but a resolution I run 8 year old Origins in, and Origins looks better for gods' sake than FO4. I don't need flexibility, if it churns out plastic dolls that look crappy. Gimme living, breathing, beautifull chars in Andromeda... and a game that knows what resolution i can run on in 2017 by default. I did not spend $1500 on a monitor to size down a new game to 10 yo standard.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 26, 2017 20:42:27 GMT
The FO4 CC isn't very intuitive. You have to play with it to get a feel for it. It is light years more flexible than MEA's though and the base presets actually have proper human proportions. You can make some really great or really wild looking characters and just about anything in between once you get the hang of it. Far better than MEAs pick which flavor of ugly you want. Don't know about that there were a lot of good looking Ryder's in the forums despite the limitations
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Post by abaris on May 26, 2017 20:42:44 GMT
The FO4 characters look awful to me. I spent most of my hour in CC. The rest of it was walking around a house with nothing happening. Really? That's all you did in FO4? And base your judgment on?
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Post by decafhigh on May 26, 2017 20:43:44 GMT
The FO4 CC isn't very intuitive. You have to play with it to get a feel for it. It is light years more flexible than MEA's though and the base presets actually have proper human proportions. You can make some really great or really wild looking characters and just about anything in between once you get the hang of it. Far better than MEAs pick which flavor of ugly you want. The FO4 characters look awful to me. I spent most of my hour in CC. The rest of it was walking around a house with nothing happening. i think I have seen as much as I needed it to get it that the Andromeda is even more brilliant than it appears when not compared to the other games released about the same time. I just really disliked the look of FO4, and that's even discounting that the one year old game did not recognize my extra-wide monitor and could not be forced to run in anything but a resolution I run 8 year old Origins in, and Origins looks better for gods' sake than FO4. I don't need flexibility, if it churns out plastic dolls that look crappy. Gimme living, breathing, beautifull chars in Andromeda... and a game that knows what resolution i can run on in 2017 by default. LOL Yeah okay. I know discussing things like this is pointless with folks around here MEA is great everything else is trash. Thanks for the good laugh though.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 20:46:42 GMT
The FO4 characters look awful to me. I spent most of my hour in CC. The rest of it was walking around a house with nothing happening. Really? That's all you did in FO4? And base your judgment on? Yep. My character looked terrible and nothing was happening. It started in 600x800 pixels window, and I fought and fought with it first to get it to run in anything approaching the size of my screen. Then, just walking around the house gave me motion sickness. There was no intro, no cutscenes, nothing. Just house with a droid and a baby. I'd keep trying, but I was getting so much negative stuff in just trying to run it and creating a char, that I did not feel it was worth going on. As as I said, good thing it was free.
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Post by colfoley on May 26, 2017 20:48:46 GMT
The FO4 characters look awful to me. I spent most of my hour in CC. The rest of it was walking around a house with nothing happening. i think I have seen as much as I needed it to get it that the Andromeda is even more brilliant than it appears when not compared to the other games released about the same time. I just really disliked the look of FO4, and that's even discounting that the one year old game did not recognize my extra-wide monitor and could not be forced to run in anything but a resolution I run 8 year old Origins in, and Origins looks better for gods' sake than FO4. I don't need flexibility, if it churns out plastic dolls that look crappy. Gimme living, breathing, beautifull chars in Andromeda... and a game that knows what resolution i can run on in 2017 by default. LOL Yeah okay. I know discussing things like this is pointless with folks around here MEA is great everything else is trash. Thanks for the good laugh though. and these people would be...who exactly?
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Post by abaris on May 26, 2017 20:51:09 GMT
The internet was not determined to hate this game from the very beginning, nor did it kill ME. Bioware did that all on its own. It was a combined effort actually. Granting everyone early access to the first ten hours of the game, so any youtuber could spew their hatred certainly was Bioware's or EA's booboo. While all the while keeping the game as something top secret that couldn't be revealed to professional reviewers until one or two days before release. Also the company's fault. People instantly homed in on bad animations and their political agenda conspiracies. That already divides the fault equally. The companies granting access to the wrong people and the semi professional haters having an agenda to fill their youtube channels, which nobody would have watched in the first place, if it hadn't been about a game everybody was interested in. So quantity reviews against quality that couldn't be delivered until the particular reviewer had time to analyze the game by actually playing it.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 26, 2017 20:52:30 GMT
The FO4 characters look awful to me. I spent most of my hour in CC. The rest of it was walking around a house with nothing happening. i think I have seen as much as I needed it to get it that the Andromeda is even more brilliant than it appears when not compared to the other games released about the same time. I just really disliked the look of FO4, and that's even discounting that the one year old game did not recognize my extra-wide monitor and could not be forced to run in anything but a resolution I run 8 year old Origins in, and Origins looks better for gods' sake than FO4. I don't need flexibility, if it churns out plastic dolls that look crappy. Gimme living, breathing, beautifull chars in Andromeda... and a game that knows what resolution i can run on in 2017 by default. LOL Yeah okay. I know discussing things like this is pointless with folks around here MEA is great everything else is trash. Thanks for the good laugh though. Fallout 4 is everything else? If you're having problems with different opinions, I suggest it's not a "discussion" you want, it's an echo-chamber.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 20:52:36 GMT
The FO4 characters look awful to me. I spent most of my hour in CC. The rest of it was walking around a house with nothing happening. i think I have seen as much as I needed it to get it that the Andromeda is even more brilliant than it appears when not compared to the other games released about the same time. I just really disliked the look of FO4, and that's even discounting that the one year old game did not recognize my extra-wide monitor and could not be forced to run in anything but a resolution I run 8 year old Origins in, and Origins looks better for gods' sake than FO4. I don't need flexibility, if it churns out plastic dolls that look crappy. Gimme living, breathing, beautifull chars in Andromeda... and a game that knows what resolution i can run on in 2017 by default. LOL Yeah okay. I know discussing things like this is pointless with folks around here MEA is great everything else is trash. Thanks for the good laugh though. seriously? I am trying stuff. If I liked how the char looked, I'd say so. Male was not that bad. But the women certainly were not hot models. I can open it up and take a close up screenshot. The face looks bad, the hair looks worse, the starting outfit is drab.
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