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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 6, 2017 18:24:29 GMT
While I have defended both, I have to say set orientations is better. If done right, it has all of the pros of playersexuality with almost none of the cons as well as the pros playersexuality cannot have.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 6, 2017 18:30:02 GMT
Anders isn't gay when romanced by male Hawke: he still has the banter with Isabela about doing "the thing with the lightening" at the Pearl. Huh, I was originally unsure about that as I noted in another thread that came near the topic but I could have sworn I had it deconfirmed when I tried to check elsewhere on the 'net. Hang on, I'm getting my original explanation. I think it might have been better since I took more things into consideration. What I meant was that I'd like it better if there weren't any BI LIs who display a particular preference for either sex, because it can be pretty shitty. For an instance, some players don't like the fact that Anders only talks about Karl to a male Hawke and I can't blame them.Back in the day that wasn't about Anders' bisexuality, from what I can recall, it was about Anders' playersexuality. Basically, Anders was gay or bisexual when romanced by a male Hawke and straight when romanced by a female Hawke. Anders' romantic involvement with Karl was believed by plenty of players to have been left out of the romance path with a female Hawke for this reason. His sexuality was decided by the player and that "edited" his past. That was part of the criticism towards Dragon Age's playersexuality based on what I can remember. In short, it wasn't about Anders being bisexual and showing a preference: it was about maintaining playersexuality. Anders was straight when romanced by a female Hawke. Anders mentions Karl as a previous love because he's bisexual when romanced by a male Hawke. That's how I remember some of the criticisms back then, at least. It's been a while As far as I can recall, the characters weren't even confirmed as bisexual until some time after the game's release. Prior to that confirmation, they were playersexual. The exception to this was Isabella because she'd previously been established as obviously interested in men and women. Anders to half a degree because he'd previously been etablished as obviously interested in women. Speaking of which, another criticism was that some people felt that Anders' sexuality had been retconned by playersexuality to make him a romance option for male Hawkes. This whole thing is part of why some people consider playersexuality to detract from characterization. Anders wasn't straight, just because he shows interest in women in DAA. His teasing with Nathaniel was ambiguous. Jennifer Helper wrote him as bisexual, this wasn't post-factum change, but I don't know, why she treated the straight romance in this way. The explain was, that Anders didn't want to speak about his ex-boyfriend to his future girlfriend. But I think, that's quite lame (they wasn't lovers yet for 3-4years...). (Bioware/Helper afraid, that this would distracted the straight female gamers?) I don't think I said Anders was straight because he showed interest in women in DAA? I just said that Anders' interest in women was established previously. I didn't mean that Anders was definitely straight. I wasn't one of the people who felt his sexuality had been retconned. I've previously cited the same example of that bit of dialogue with Nathaniel as an example of why I thought his sexuality was ambigious. I'm just explaining what the complaints back then was first about based on what I can remember. Again, Anders didn't hide his romantic involvement with Karl because he was bisexual with a preference for women. That's why I don't feel he can be used as an example of that. It may be my perception of the past clouded things but as I remember it, the characters were playersexual and that the developers tried to backpedal on this later on with the final result being the confirmation of all of the romanceable characters as bisexual, not playersexual. It didn't make sense that Anders didn't want to talk about his love for Karl with a female Hawke when he has no problem doing so with a male Hawke. He even gives a speech to a male Hawke about not finding anything wrong with finding love with someone who's similar to him in response to Hawke being taken by his relationship to Karl. I don't think it was worry for offended people that prompted the editing of Anders' dialogue: I think it was just playersexuality that they later regretted and retconed into official bisexuality. Anders was a special situation because he's the only one that references a previous romance. Neither Fenris nor Merill had previous relationships or romantic situations so their dialogue didn't need to be edited depending on the gender of their romancer. Isabella was established as bisexual in the previous game. I think the rushed nature of Dragon Age 2 led to playersexuality being implemented because it's been stated as being easier on resources but again, I think that they later regretted this decision. Note: I've put it under a spoiler tag for size.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 6, 2017 18:40:56 GMT
The was no reason to exclude Karl for a female PC I should probably have clarified this in my post but I consider there to be two forms of playersexuality: playersexuality and "bisexuality". The Dragon II crew with the exception of Isabella fall into the former category. The romantic aspect of Anders' relationship with Karl is excluded for this reason: Anders is gay when romanced by male Hawke and straight when romanced by female Hawke therefore content that suggest otherwise is removed to maintain playersexuality. This is a form for playersexuality wherein the sexuality of the romanced character is decided by which gender the player character is. To put it simply: playersexuality as in the player's sexuality. The other form for playersexuality is "bisexuality" in which every romanceable character is avaliable regardless of the player's gender. I don't like to refer to this as bisexuality, hence the inverted commas, because I don't consider it to really be bisexuality: I see it as just a different way of making the character's sexuality correspond to the player's therefore it's still playersexuality as far as I'm concerned. This is based on my memory so bear that in mind: Pre-release, the Dragon Age II crew were said to be playersexual but post-release, the Dragon Age II crew were said to be bisexual. I believe it was changed in response to criticism in regards to how it was handled. Dragon Age II was rushed and the developers have stated previously, as far as I can recall, that playersexuality is cheaper on the resources. I think David Gaider has stated that either the development team or him dislike playersexuality. No. Anders is NOT gay, even if he romanced by male!Hawke.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 6, 2017 18:42:49 GMT
Solas dislikes Dalish as much as he dislikes all other races and does not really consider them "Elven". So in his eyes, Dalish and Qunari are all the same, modern creatures to be destroyed. There is absolutely no reason why someone who is in love with Solas would not be interested in his view on elves, and I doubt he has a strong desire to impregnate the PC so there is also no reason to not open it up to the males. That's not what I meant by it being interwoven with elements of the elven race. Content in the romances feel in response to the Inquisitor being Dalish like the previously meant elements. It feels connected to that. Take this line as an example which occurs after the Well of Sorrows if the Inquisitor choose to drink from it and is in a romance with him: Solas: "Not yet, but if you remove the layer of nostalgia from stories of the elven gods, you might see the danger. They were arrogant and fickle. They warred amongst themselves. They had feuds, vendettas. And you are bound to one of them now."
Given what we see of ancient elves, modern elves are still closer in appearance to the elves of his time than the qunari, dwarves and humans are. This is why I feel it make sense that he is attracted to elves but not to the other races of modern time. Also, I said nothing about the romance being gated to only women: I only said something about the romance being gated only to elves.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 6, 2017 18:43:21 GMT
No. Anders is NOT gay, even if he romanced by male!Hawke. Already stood corrected to this in the post above you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 18:43:54 GMT
While I have defended both, I have to say set orientations is better. If done right, it has all of the pros of playersexuality with almost none of the cons as well as the pros playersexuality cannot have. So where does set orientation lets me play the character I want and romance the character I want to romance on the same PT? How does it ensure less but better plot-important romances?That's the main pros of the playersexual romances, and set orientations destroy both.
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Post by raikas on Jun 6, 2017 18:47:03 GMT
Anders isn't gay when romanced by male Hawke: he still has the banter with Isabela about doing "the thing with the lightening" at the Pearl. Huh, I was originally unsure about that as I noted in another thread that came near the topic but I could have sworn I had it deconfirmed when I tried to check elsewhere on the 'net. Hang on, I'm getting my original explanation. I think it might have been better since I took more things into consideration. I think the language around the relationships in DA2 evolved over time both coming from the devs and in fan discussions. I remember Gaider commenting at one point (I don't recall if it was the old BSN or his defunct Tumblr page, but I'm sure it's saved somewhere) that he regretted using the term "playersexual" as often as they had originally. My impression was that it was originally supposed to be drawing attention to player options as opposed to defining the character's sexualities differently depending on the playthrough. I do think that if I as a player can get information about past relationships with both in-game in a single run (which as mHawke you do get, even if you're not romancing him) then that character is clearly bisexual rather than playersexual, but at the same time the term may well have somewhat different meanings to different people.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 18:48:08 GMT
Solas dislikes Dalish as much as he dislikes all other races and does not really consider them "Elven". So in his eyes, Dalish and Qunari are all the same, modern creatures to be destroyed. There is absolutely no reason why someone who is in love with Solas would not be interested in his view on elves, and I doubt he has a strong desire to impregnate the PC so there is also no reason to not open it up to the males. That's not what I meant by it being interwoven with elements of the elven race. Content in the romances feel in response to the Inquisitor being Dalish like the previously meant elements. It feels connected to that. Take this line as an example which occurs after the Well of Sorrows if the Inquisitor choose to drink from it and is in a romance with him: Solas: "Not yet, but if you remove the layer of nostalgia from stories of the elven gods, you might see the danger. They were arrogant and fickle. They warred amongst themselves. They had feuds, vendettas. And you are bound to one of them now."
Given what we see of ancient elves, modern elves are still closer in appearance to the elves of his time than the qunari, dwarves and humans are. This is why I feel it make sense that he is attracted to elves but not to the other races of modern time. Also, I said nothing about the romance being gated to only women: I only said something about the romance being gated only to elves. And, how that line is no good for a character that is presumably in love with Solas, so is devouring all things Elven? If a Qunari can DRINK of that well, I doubt Solas' wisdom is going to miss its mark. You can get what Dorian says about Tevinter and NOT be from there. i play characters with enough emotional intelligence to empathize. All romances for Male PCs are attracted to ALL races. Females penalized on their appearances is not exactly fair, particularly when males get two story-important romances, while females get only one. and it would not even be a consideration for playersexual, all races ungated romances. Which imo how it should be.
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Post by Walter Black on Jun 6, 2017 18:52:11 GMT
While I have defended both, I have to say set orientations is better. If done right, it has all of the pros of playersexuality with almost none of the cons as well as the pros playersexuality cannot have. So where does set orientation lets me play the character I want and romance the character I want to romance on the same PT? How does it ensure less but better plot-important romances?That's the main pros of the playersexual romances, and set orientations destroy both. Just because the Playersexual route allows all access to the available Love Interests, does not mean you will like the ones they give you. For example, in DA2 I wanted Aveline over all the Companions.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 6, 2017 18:55:14 GMT
Solas: "Not yet, but if you remove the layer of nostalgia from stories of the elven gods, you might see the danger. They were arrogant and fickle. They warred amongst themselves. They had feuds, vendettas. And you are bound to one of them now." And, how that line is no good for a character that is presumably in love with Solas, so is devouring all things Elven? If a Qunari can DRINK of that well, I doubt Solas' wisdom is going to miss its mark. You can get what Dorian says about Tevinter and NOT be from there. i play characters with enough emotional intelligence to empathize. All romances for Male PCs are attracted to ALL races. Because the Inquisitors of the other races are not Dalish: they are not of the Dalish faith and they are unlikely to know tales of the Dalish pantheon. They are also unlikely to be motivated by elven history and faith drink from the Well or considered it their right by heritage over Morrigan. This is what Solas' line is in reference to: the Inquisitor being Dalish and her belief, in his eyes, of her gods as influencing her perception of the danger that laid in drinking from the Well. And I still said nothing about the romance being gated to gender. I'm arguing for why I feel a lack of race gate would negatively impact the romance.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 18:58:35 GMT
So where does set orientation lets me play the character I want and romance the character I want to romance on the same PT? How does it ensure less but better plot-important romances?That's the main pros of the playersexual romances, and set orientations destroy both. Just because the Playersexual route allows all access to the available Love Interests, does not mean you will like the ones they give you. For example, in DA2 I wanted Aveline over all the Companions. But nobody got Aveline as an option. You could make your character and RP him or her as you wish, without being restricted by whom you want to romance. I loved, loved, loved it in DA2, and going back to gates is terrible.
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Post by Lazarillo on Jun 6, 2017 19:00:20 GMT
I still find the whole Anders/Karl thing just weird in general. It feels thrown in for the players' sake, since Anders acts pretty straight in Awakening (his approval meter can shift to the "romance" scale for females only, a couple passing comments where he specifically mentions being attracted to women). So in DA2, if you're playing a male, he makes a point of going "hey, look, I'm bisexual now!". It's one of the reasons I tend to head-canon DA2 Anders as being just "Justice" but not really knowing it, he reaches into Anders' memories, finds a strong friendship, and being a spirit, doesn't understand how to differentiate between that and love. But I digress...
As to the poll itself, I am a little bit torn on both sides, and disagree with some of the initial post's premises in the first place. I don't see how the "player-sexual" approach makes things more plot-relevant (at least, not in the Dragon Age series so far...maybe there are other games that are better examples). All of the plot-relevance of the companions in DA2 works just as well as a "good friend" as a "romantic partner". Heck, in Inquisition, the romance that most people like to assume is plot-relevant is the most restricted of them all! And even that one, it still works as well from the player side as being said character's friend.
On the other hand, I find the biggest con to bi-ing it up for the player's sake is that it's kind of immersion-breaking. The Anders issue above is one notable example, but even apart from different games and different portrayals, call me closed minded, but I just have a hard time imagining pansexuality as being so prevalent. When everybody's into everybody, it's just not hard to see it as verging on self-parody (see also: Saint's Row 4, which sends up the romance mechanic in exactly this way).
That all said, though, I generally think more options are better than less, and as such, I don't dislike the idea of letting players experience a wide variety of opportunities when they play through the game, and, given the number of "equal romance" mods I've seen for different games (I've seen a "Dorian romance for women" mod, and if that ain't irony, I don't know what is!), players are going to do it anyway, so perhaps it'd be better just to let it happen, so that it can remain "canon" in their world states going forward to future games?
Ultimately, I still voted a preference for set orientations, though, because while I can see the appreciation for options, it's not like the game restricts what kind of player character I can create in the first place. Just because I'm a straight dude in real life, doesn't mean I can't make a character of a different sex or orientation in game, to experience it the way I want to.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 19:03:18 GMT
And, how that line is no good for a character that is presumably in love with Solas, so is devouring all things Elven? If a Qunari can DRINK of that well, I doubt Solas' wisdom is going to miss its mark. You can get what Dorian says about Tevinter and NOT be from there. i play characters with enough emotional intelligence to empathize. All romances for Male PCs are attracted to ALL races. Because the other races are not Dalish and therefore highly unlikely to be of the Dalish faith or know the tales of the Dalish pantheon. They are also therefore unlikely to be motivated by elven history, faith or heritage to drink from the Well. And I still said nothing about the romance being gated to gender. I'm arguing for why I feel a lack of race gate would negatively impact the romance. That's a very narrow view of other races. I have no problem role-playing a PC that learns all there is to learn about the Elves precisely because s/he is in love with Solas, and also because Solas points out the origins of the mark on the Inquisitor's hand as Elvish in origin. My PC is can be a Herald of Andraste without faith, and s/he can certainly learn everything she can about Dalish or fwiw be an Elven buff to start with, and falling in love with an elf would only be natural, if you admire all things Elven (or dwarven or human).
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Post by shechinah on Jun 6, 2017 19:07:55 GMT
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this: I feel Solas' romance is interwoven with Dalish culture in a way that provides sufficient reason for the race-gating including because of Solas' background. You don't.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 19:08:13 GMT
I still find the whole Anders/Karl thing just weird in general. It feels thrown in for the players' sake, since Anders acts pretty straight in Awakening (his approval meter can shift to the "romance" scale for females only, a couple passing comments where he specifically mentions being attracted to women). So in DA2, if you're playing a male, he makes a point of going "hey, look, I'm bisexual now!". It's one of the reasons I tend to head-canon DA2 Anders as being just "Justice" but not really knowing it, he reaches into Anders' memories, finds a strong friendship, and being a spirit, doesn't understand how to differentiate between that and love. But I digress... As to the poll itself, I am a little bit torn on both sides, and disagree with some of the initial post's premises in the first place. I don't see how the "player-sexual" approach makes things more plot-relevant (at least, not in the Dragon Age series so far...maybe there are other games that are better examples). All of the plot-relevance of the companions in DA2 works just as well as a "good friend" as a "romantic partner". Heck, in Inquisition, the romance that most people like to assume is plot-relevant is the most restricted of them all! And even that one, it still works as well from the player side as being said character's friend. On the other hand, I find the biggest con to bi-ing it up for the player's sake is that it's kind of immersion-breaking. The Anders issue above is one notable example, but even apart from different games and different portrayals, call me closed minded, but I just have a hard time imagining pansexuality as being so prevalent. When everybody's into everybody, it's just not hard to see it as verging on self-parody (see also: Saint's Row 4, which sends up the romance mechanic in exactly this way). That all said, though, I generally think more options are better than less, and as such, I don't dislike the idea of letting players experience a wide variety of opportunities when they play through the game, and, given the number of "equal romance" mods I've seen for different games (I've seen a "Dorian romance for women" mod, and if that ain't irony, I don't know what is!), players are going to do it anyway, so perhaps it'd be better just to let it happen, so that it can remain "canon" in their world states going forward to future games? There is nothing ironic or shameful in a woman falling in love with a deserving man, even if the feelings are unrequited.
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Post by Lazarillo on Jun 6, 2017 19:14:14 GMT
There is nothing ironic or shameful in a woman falling in love with a deserving man, even if the feelings are unrequited. That's not what I mean, per se. There are times when people fall in love with another, and whether it's due to orientation or other emotional biases, it doesn't work out, and that's life, and that's fine. I've actually been on both ends of that, to some degree or another. What I find ironic is that Dorian's whole personal story is about nearly being subjected to unnatural methods to adjust his orientation so that he would marry a woman, which is, in a meta-sense...kind of what modding his romance flags is doing to him. It's one thing to like the character (I think he's great and his only real flaw is not having enough screen time), but to like him enough to want to romance him, yet ignore the moral of his "very special episode" is just...well, like I said, it comes off as ironic to me, at least.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 19:18:28 GMT
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this: I feel Solas' romance is interwoven with Dalish culture in a way that provides sufficient reason for the race-gating including because of Solas' background. You don't. There are might be reasons, but I don't think they can not be bypassed with RP, and I don't think that it should be a reason to deny 7/8 possible race/gender combination the plot important romance. IMO it is more important to create a great experience for the player on their PT, and not tell them that they like to play a wrong gender or race. I've been playing for years with males getting more and better options, so yep, I am very much against being told: "Want choices? Play a This or a That" and I don't care if it's a boy or a girl, an elf or a dwarf.
If the mods mentioned above were powerful enough to correct the cut scene animations and re-voice, I'd be unlocking Dorian, Cassandra and Solas for my install. But the mods are really limited, so I cannot do that.
But I will always vote in favor of DA2 approach that was just awesome and let me play what I wanted and how I wanted, and not having a developer defining the brackets for what I should or should not like.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 19:29:37 GMT
There is nothing ironic or shameful in a woman falling in love with a deserving man, even if the feelings are unrequited. That's not what I mean, per se. There are times when people fall in love with another, and whether it's due to orientation or other emotional biases, it doesn't work out, and that's life, and that's fine. I've actually been on both ends of that, to some degree or another. What I find ironic is that Dorian's whole personal story is about nearly being subjected to unnatural methods to adjust his orientation so that he would marry a woman, which is, in a meta-sense...kind of what modding his romance flags is doing to him. It's one thing to like the character (I think he's great and his only real flaw is not having enough screen time), but to like him enough to want to romance him, yet ignore the moral of his "very special episode" is just...well, like I said, it comes off as ironic to me, at least. Which would not have been needed if the romance was playersexual to start with, even if it excluded the intimacy component for a female PC. What I find ironic that in 2017, like in 1998 I still gotta roll a male or an elf to get the most interesting romantic options in Inquisition, that everyone praises for its romances, while in shunned DA2 I had unparalleled great time.
I am deathly tired of:
"I want to play a Dwarf, but he won't be able to marry Anora." "If you are an elf, King Alistair is gonna dump you if you don't harden him" "But if you are NOT an elf, Solas won't romance you." "I want to play a female Qunari, but then I won't be able to romance Dorian and/or Solas" "I like male Ryder more, but I wanted to romance Liam..."
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It's a video-game, I just want a happy run without preliminary study of the romanced matrix and all the sub-clauses. I don't want to re-roll after 12 hours of Hinterlands to prove that I am a woman enough to re-roll a male to get my man.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 6, 2017 19:30:46 GMT
I still find the whole Anders/Karl thing just weird in general. It feels thrown in for the players' sake, since Anders acts pretty straight in Awakening (his approval meter can shift to the "romance" scale for females only, a couple passing comments where he specifically mentions being attracted to women). So in DA2, if you're playing a male, he makes a point of going "hey, look, I'm bisexual now!". It's one of the reasons I tend to head-canon DA2 Anders as being just "Justice" but not really knowing it, he reaches into Anders' memories, finds a strong friendship, and being a spirit, doesn't understand how to differentiate between that and love. But I digress... As to the poll itself, I am a little bit torn on both sides, and disagree with some of the initial post's premises in the first place. I don't see how the "player-sexual" approach makes things more plot-relevant (at least, not in the Dragon Age series so far...maybe there are other games that are better examples). All of the plot-relevance of the companions in DA2 works just as well as a "good friend" as a "romantic partner". Heck, in Inquisition, the romance that most people like to assume is plot-relevant is the most restricted of them all! And even that one, it still works as well from the player side as being said character's friend.
On the other hand, I find the biggest con to bi-ing it up for the player's sake is that it's kind of immersion-breaking. The Anders issue above is one notable example, but even apart from different games and different portrayals, call me closed minded, but I just have a hard time imagining pansexuality as being so prevalent. When everybody's into everybody, it's just not hard to see it as verging on self-parody (see also: Saint's Row 4, which sends up the romance mechanic in exactly this way).
That all said, though, I generally think more options are better than less, and as such, I don't dislike the idea of letting players experience a wide variety of opportunities when they play through the game, and, given the number of "equal romance" mods I've seen for different games (I've seen a "Dorian romance for women" mod, and if that ain't irony, I don't know what is!), players are going to do it anyway, so perhaps it'd be better just to let it happen, so that it can remain "canon" in their world states going forward to future games?
Ultimately, I still voted a preference for set orientations, though, because while I can see the appreciation for options, it's not like the game restricts what kind of player character I can create in the first place. Just because I'm a straight dude in real life, doesn't mean I can't make a character of a different sex or orientation in game, to experience it the way I want to.
About his approval: The fact, that he spoke about women, doesn't mean, he doesn't into men. He was not "pretty straight". Anders' sexuality was not changed by Justice ... (And he flirted with Nathaniel. Not so openly, than with Hawke, but still.)
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Post by Walter Black on Jun 6, 2017 19:49:27 GMT
That's not what I mean, per se. There are times when people fall in love with another, and whether it's due to orientation or other emotional biases, it doesn't work out, and that's life, and that's fine. I've actually been on both ends of that, to some degree or another. What I find ironic is that Dorian's whole personal story is about nearly being subjected to unnatural methods to adjust his orientation so that he would marry a woman, which is, in a meta-sense...kind of what modding his romance flags is doing to him. It's one thing to like the character (I think he's great and his only real flaw is not having enough screen time), but to like him enough to want to romance him, yet ignore the moral of his "very special episode" is just...well, like I said, it comes off as ironic to me, at least. Which would not have been needed if the romance was playersexual to start with, even if it excluded the intimacy component for a female PC. What I find ironic that in 2017, like in 1998 I still gotta roll a male or an elf to get the most interesting romantic options in Inquisition, that everyone praises for its romances, while in shunned DA2 I had unparalleled great time.
I am deathly tired of:
"I want to play a Dwarf, but he won't be able to marry Anora." "If you are an elf, King Alistair is gonna dump you if you don't harden him" "But if you are NOT an elf, Solas won't romance you." "I want to play a female Qunari, but then I won't be able to romance Dorian and/or Solas" "I like male Ryder more, but I wanted to romance Liam..."
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It's a video-game, I just want a happy run without preliminary study of the romanced matrix and all the sub-clauses. I don't want to re-roll after 12 hours of Hinterlands to prove that I am a woman enough to re-roll a male to get my man.
I suppose this boils down to what level of Gameplay and Story Segregation you find acceptable. Do you want:
1. A deeply complex world filled with believable history and culture, filled with three dimensional characters with their own personal beliefs, desires and agency.
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2. A flexible game whose world and characters can cater completely to the player's desires.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 20:04:19 GMT
Which would not have been needed if the romance was playersexual to start with, even if it excluded the intimacy component for a female PC. What I find ironic that in 2017, like in 1998 I still gotta roll a male or an elf to get the most interesting romantic options in Inquisition, that everyone praises for its romances, while in shunned DA2 I had unparalleled great time.
I am deathly tired of:
"I want to play a Dwarf, but he won't be able to marry Anora." "If you are an elf, King Alistair is gonna dump you if you don't harden him" "But if you are NOT an elf, Solas won't romance you." "I want to play a female Qunari, but then I won't be able to romance Dorian and/or Solas" "I like male Ryder more, but I wanted to romance Liam..."
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It's a video-game, I just want a happy run without preliminary study of the romanced matrix and all the sub-clauses. I don't want to re-roll after 12 hours of Hinterlands to prove that I am a woman enough to re-roll a male to get my man.
I suppose this boils down to what level of Gameplay and Story Segregation you find acceptable. Do you want:
1. A deeply complex world filled with believable history and culture, filled with three dimensional characters with their own personal beliefs, desires and agency.
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2. A flexible game whose world and characters can cater completely to the player's desires.
Both, because that's what DA2 delivered famously. I want another DA2. I want more Reyes romances. I want to start the game, relax and play it, instead of having to get spoiled before the first run to avoid disappointments. I don't want someone to decide who my character is allowed to love. I don't want to be punished for what character I want to play with different options than the "better" PC have.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 20:07:12 GMT
But nobody got Aveline as an option. You could make your character and RP him or her as you wish, without being restricted by whom you want to romance. I loved, loved, loved it in DA2, and going back to gates is terrible. So why don't you just want set bisexual characters? Why do you want "playersexual" characters whose sexuality changes depending on your PC gender?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 20:10:33 GMT
But nobody got Aveline as an option. You could make your character and RP him or her as you wish, without being restricted by whom you want to romance. I loved, loved, loved it in DA2, and going back to gates is terrible. So why don't you just want set bisexual characters? Why do you want "playersexual" characters whose sexuality changes depending on your PC gender? That's not what I said. I don't care what term is used. What I want is all romances opened to all PCs, and plot-important. I want it to be like DA2, whatever you call it. I don't need a sex resume from each character with at least three references from past lovers. I want him or her to love me back if I love them - or do not, but that would be the same for everyone. I don't want a female Qunari to be punished with less interesting options than a male one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 20:31:16 GMT
And, they've just unlocked Jaal for Male PCs in Andromeda, so fingers crossed they would stop locking romances by gender.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 20:33:10 GMT
Andromeda team changed Jaal's sexual preferences. I take it all back I'm OK with both of these choices. I don't want to see something like that though
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