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Post by griffith82 on Jun 7, 2017 3:23:04 GMT
Yeah it's funny but not real appropriate. The "no"was let's just say rather painful for him as I was wearing steel toed shoes. Naw, poor guy. Should've given it a chance, never know what might strike your fancy! Not that i am trying to get you over to the dark side or anything. Lol well at least we had a laugh after.😁
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 7, 2017 3:27:13 GMT
@ leadintea: Of course, Bio does also write male characters who are gay and bisexual from their inception, as well as occasionally converting characters.
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Post by Steelcan on Jun 7, 2017 3:29:08 GMT
Really the only thing that I think lends credence to the argument to make Jaal bi is that there was an achievement for romancing three or more characters in the game and gay men couldn't do that.
Whose idiot decision was it to implement that?
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Post by steppinrazor on Jun 7, 2017 3:33:43 GMT
I'm happy with it because I already expected Jaal to be bi for some reason, was disappointed to find he wasn't... I mean, he's an alien, why should he only be attracted to the opposite sex of another completely alien species? Standards of beauty and all that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 3:35:53 GMT
I'm happy with it because I already expected Jaal to be bi for some reason, was disappointed to find he wasn't... I mean, he's an alien, why should he only be attracted to the opposite sex of another completely alien species? Standards of beauty and all that. From the patch notes it seems having the male Angara interested in human males might become a thing in future games too.
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 7, 2017 3:39:54 GMT
Sure you name ain't dark rage? Jaal had nothing saying he was simply straight. Ah the hell with it. At this stage Bioware could shit solid gold bricks and people would still say it's shit not gold. Figured some jackass would bring up the tried and true "you're entitled". So let's dispense with the insinuation that they making Jaal bi triggers some homophobic backlash from me. Don't give a shit. What I do give a shit about is that he's basically a way Bioware absolves themselves of addressing the shortcomings with Reyes and Gil, our actually intended romances. He wasn't romanceable before. Unlike Liam he didn't even give you the option to flirt and be turned down. They said as much that they had to change their minds about him. And he's cheaper than recalling voice actors to record more Reyes/Gil lines and scenes. It's a cop out, that simple. This is a profoundly stupid argument. Making an argument that Bio should have designed the initial batch of romances differently is one thing. That's a winnable argument; we know it's a winnable argument because it was, in fact won. This kind of surprises me, since originally the devs didn't even see a distinction between squadmate and non-squadmate romances; when people asked them about this at cons, they didn't even understand the question well enough to duck it. But we don't get to live in a universe where ME:A was designed differently. We live in this one. And since nobody's going to sign off on funding for a gay male romance DLC, the options are what the patch does, or nothing. Is nothing better? If so, why?
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Post by trevelyanshep on Jun 7, 2017 3:41:44 GMT
Wait, there was a patch?
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Post by trevelyanshep on Jun 7, 2017 3:44:14 GMT
Ooh, okay, here I thought I was going crazy.
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Post by bshep on Jun 7, 2017 3:44:21 GMT
Bottom line, why you so mad OP? It's not like you are going to click "by mistake" on the option with the BIG HEART icon on the side to flirt with Jaal, right? You can reject Jaal too, so if they gave Scott the friendship tones, then DO NOT touch them unless you want to break Jaal's heart (again) later. Exactly. Me, you the OP and everyone else have the option to either follow a romance with Jaal or not. No reason for all this hatred. It's not like Bioware made Jaal a compulsory romance...lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 3:47:49 GMT
You can reject Jaal too, so if they gave Scott the friendship tones, then DO NOT touch them unless you want to break Jaal's heart (again) later. Exactly. Me, you the OP and everyone else have the option to either follow a romance with Jaal or not. No reason for all this hatred. It's not like Bioware made Jaal a compulsory romance...lol No but he's a damn close to canon one because of the plot lol guys are going to love him so much! As much as us ladies do! I think both he and Reyes are the most plot-related romances in the game, but there's always a choice or just ignore the Heart. It's not hard to do. I think the OP just wanted the current gay romances fixed and I understand that, but Gamble said this is not the last patch, so who knows?
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 7, 2017 3:49:14 GMT
The amount of hypocrisy on these forums lately is enough to make congress look tame.
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Post by dark8sage on Jun 7, 2017 3:49:23 GMT
Actually, in this case it did fix two major issues, arguably the biggest. First of all, the lack of an option on the squad itself played into negative stereotypes about non-heterosexual men in combat roles. Second of all, does it really need to be explained what's wrong with making gay men the only orientation who could not get every achievement while playing within our own gender and orientation? Reyes is in combat roles. He's the kingping of a cut throat criminal empire, and Gil is a mechanic. Hardly the weak gay male stereotypes in either. Because earlier in the thread someone even brought up that VA's were brought in to record lines for Scott/Jaal, and on top of that we'll be having a scene made where Jaal has sex with Scott in what I imagine to be the same horrific way it went with Sara. So if they're going to shoot lines and mess around with cutscenes, why couldn't they do it with the gay romances that ALREADY exist? Would be as simple as bringing in Reyes for movie night, fixing his dance scene with Scott, and giving him some post game dialogue and even using the writers to write more in-game mail communications from him for your terminal to fix the issue of a non-squadmate not being with you for the combat scenarios.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 7, 2017 3:50:09 GMT
Actually, in this case it did fix two major issues, arguably the biggest. First of all, the lack of an option on the squad itself played into negative stereotypes about non-heterosexual men in combat roles. Second of all, does it really need to be explained what's wrong with making gay men the only orientation who could not get every achievement while playing within our own gender and orientation? Reyes is in combat roles. He's the kingping of a cut throat criminal empire, and Gil is a mechanic. Hardly the weak gay male stereotypes in either. He's still not a squadmate, and doesn't even leave his planet except for the final battle.
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Post by R'Shara on Jun 7, 2017 3:56:32 GMT
So....what would be your solution? Improve Gil and Reyes? Make another crew member gay? New character?
I haven't seen the content, so I don't know how well done/not well done Jaal's male comment will be, but Jaal being bi doesn't bother me (other than an eyeroll for needing it in the first place. By that, I mean not doing things right in the first place.)
Of course, I'm on the "Just make everyone bi" bandwagon *shrug*
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Post by zipzap2000 on Jun 7, 2017 3:57:23 GMT
As a bi guy I'm insulted they've done this. Either the character was Bi or they weren't end of discussion. This is just desperate pandering and the resources could have gone somewhere that convinced me to start playing the game again.
Personally, I think I'm done with ME now. This isn't fun anymore and thats what gaming should be about.
Enjoy fellas you get the ugliest naked guy in the history of gayming.
Enjoy.
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Post by dark8sage on Jun 7, 2017 3:57:45 GMT
So....what would be your solution? Improve Gil and Reyes? Make another crew member gay? New character? Improve Gil and Reyes. why add more crap on top of the crap pile instead of fixing what you fucked up earlier? New character will have to wait for MEA2 IF we actually get a second one ;(
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 3:58:39 GMT
So....what would be your solution? Improve Gil and Reyes? Make another crew member gay? New character? OT but WTF happened to Kallo in your pic?
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Post by R'Shara on Jun 7, 2017 4:01:01 GMT
So....what would be your solution? Improve Gil and Reyes? Make another crew member gay? New character? OT but WTF happened to Kallo in your pic? Fun glitch. I have a whole video that I plan on uploading at some point.
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Post by kino on Jun 7, 2017 4:02:25 GMT
I think it works out pretty well and for some reason all of this gives me deja vu about how people reacted to Kaidan being a potential LI in ME3. Since Jaal never speaks about his orientation in game making him an LI makes perfect sense. I figure why not? He's a great character.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 4:06:00 GMT
OT but WTF happened to Kallo in your pic? Fun glitch. I have a whole video that I plan on uploading at some point. I have GOT to see that haha I thought him stuck in the sitting position during the Gil fight and falling through the floor was bad!
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Post by jediguardian on Jun 7, 2017 4:24:59 GMT
If they use resource that much to Make Jaal bi, I want they to creat new Gay character on Tempest instead.
I can't say that i agree with OP because I want Liam to be bisexual. But Liam have more possibilty to be Biseuxual than Jaal in my opinion.
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Post by R'Shara on Jun 7, 2017 4:37:25 GMT
If they use resource that much to Make Jaal bi, I want they to creat new Gay character on Tempest instead. I can't say that i agree with OP because I want Liam to be bisexual. But Liam have more possibilty to be Biseuxual than Jaal in my opinion. I could see that. He does have the whole getting nekkid scene with Jaal, after all. Then again, Jaal stripped own all the way, so that could be inference that he's bi.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 7, 2017 4:37:42 GMT
I understand the disappointment of people who wanted more from Gil or Reyes, but there are certain problems, the biggest problems for some people, that no amount of improving those two will fix.
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Post by R'Shara on Jun 7, 2017 4:37:56 GMT
Fun glitch. I have a whole video that I plan on uploading at some point. I have GOT to see that haha I thought him stuck in the sitting position during the Gil fight and falling through the floor was bad! Lemme find it and upload it.
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