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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 4:40:44 GMT
If they use resource that much to Make Jaal bi, I want they to creat new Gay character on Tempest instead. I can't say that i agree with OP because I want Liam to be bisexual. But Liam have more possibilty to be Biseuxual than Jaal in my opinion. I could see that. He does have the whole getting nekkid scene with Jaal, after all. Then again, Jaal stripped own all the way, so that could be inference that he's bi.Jaal is too literal about how "open" and "free" Angara are lol and I remember months before we knew anything about him, I said Jaal looked the type to walk up to Ryder naked. When it happened everyone looked at me like "How did you know that?" I shrugged and said "It's probably an Angaran thing"
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Post by R'Shara on Jun 7, 2017 4:52:19 GMT
Here you go. It only lasts a few seconds, and fixes itself after the first camera change, but still pretty funny
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 7, 2017 4:58:24 GMT
Bottom line, why you so mad OP? It's not like you are going to click "by mistake" on the option with the BIG HEART icon on the side to flirt with Jaal, right? Its like people didn't even read the OP at all... I agree with the OP they should have put time into fixing the bad romances. Really that should have been done whether they made Jaal bi or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 5:00:32 GMT
Here you go. It only lasts a few seconds, and fixes itself after the first camera change, but still pretty funny HAHAHA he looks so cute!!!
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 7, 2017 5:28:58 GMT
Bottom line, why you so mad OP? It's not like you are going to click "by mistake" on the option with the BIG HEART icon on the side to flirt with Jaal, right? Its like people didn't even read the OP at all... I agree with the OP they should have put time into fixing the bad romances. Really that should have been done whether they made Jaal bi or not. The problem with that approach is that working on those romances wouldn't solve the problems that Bio was actually trying to solve. It's reasonable to think that not having a squadmate romance or being able to get that achievement are not problems that Bio actually needed to address, of course, but Bio not addressing those problems doesn't automatically translate into Bio throwing resources into the other gay male tracks.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 7, 2017 5:41:41 GMT
Its like people didn't even read the OP at all... I agree with the OP they should have put time into fixing the bad romances. Really that should have been done whether they made Jaal bi or not. The problem with that approach is that working on those romances wouldn't solve the problems that Bio was actually trying to solve. It's reasonable to think that not having a squadmate romance or being able to get that achievement are not problems that Bio actually needed to address, of course, but Bio not addressing those problems doesn't automatically translate into Bio throwing resources into the other gay male tracks. Had to go back to the patch notes to see what the reasons were. "Scott Ryder did not have a same-sex squadmate available as a romance option, nor could the achievement for completing three romances be achieved with only male same-sex partners."
The achievement thing isn't a big deal, they could have just let Gil count toward that and been done with it, so that is neither here nor there. The squadmate part you are right about so yeah, adding to the other romances wouldn't have fixed that. (the rest of their explanation was just blathering so I won't bother with it).
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Jun 7, 2017 5:45:26 GMT
The problem with that approach is that working on those romances wouldn't solve the problems that Bio was actually trying to solve. It's reasonable to think that not having a squadmate romance or being able to get that achievement are not problems that Bio actually needed to address, of course, but Bio not addressing those problems doesn't automatically translate into Bio throwing resources into the other gay male tracks. Had to go back to the patch notes to see what the reasons were. "Scott Ryder did not have a same-sex squadmate available as a romance option, nor could the achievement for completing three romances be achieved with only male same-sex partners."
The achievement thing isn't a big deal, they could have just let Gil count toward that and been done with it, so that is neither here nor there. The squadmate part you are right about so yeah, adding to the other romances wouldn't have fixed that. (the rest of their explanation was just blathering so I won't bother with it). Gil and Reyes DO count towards the achievement. The problem is, if you're gay, you cannot get the achievement because you're out of options, unlike all other players.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 7, 2017 5:47:51 GMT
Had to go back to the patch notes to see what the reasons were. "Scott Ryder did not have a same-sex squadmate available as a romance option, nor could the achievement for completing three romances be achieved with only male same-sex partners."
The achievement thing isn't a big deal, they could have just let Gil count toward that and been done with it, so that is neither here nor there. The squadmate part you are right about so yeah, adding to the other romances wouldn't have fixed that. (the rest of their explanation was just blathering so I won't bother with it). Gil and Reyes DO count towards the achievement. The problem is, if you're gay, you cannot get the achievement because you're out of options, unlike all other players. Ah, gotcha. Thought it was a "squadmate" thing with the achievement too. Hmmm, so how does a gay Sara get it then? PeeBee, Suvi... Who is the other one? Edit: Vetra I guess. Forgot about her, guess she is a Sara option too then. Edit 2: (getting late, brain must already be asleep) They could have also just let Reyes count toward the achievement. Still would have left out a m/m squadie in either case though.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Jun 7, 2017 5:49:45 GMT
Gil and Reyes DO count towards the achievement. The problem is, if you're gay, you cannot get the achievement because you're out of options, unlike all other players. Ah, gotcha. Thought it was a "squadmate" thing with the achievement too. Hmmm, so how does a gay Sara get it then? PeeBee, Suvi... Who is the other one? Keri is a bisexual asari option. So, that means f/f get Peebe, Suvi, Vetra, and Keri. Straight guys get Peebee, Avela, Vetra, Cora, and Keri. Straight women get Jaal, Liam, and Reyes. Gay/bi players get Jaal, Reyes, and Gil.
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Post by isaidlunch on Jun 7, 2017 5:53:20 GMT
LOL they actually did it
Get wrecked Jaalwives
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Jun 7, 2017 5:54:56 GMT
Honestly, the Jaalwives will still have their Jaal romance. Nothing is changing for them. Scott gets his entirely unique romance with Jaal. The devs have stated new VA was recorded, new animations, and consultants brought in to insure this isn't just a copy/paste job like Reyes and also not toxic like Gil/Jill.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 7, 2017 5:56:03 GMT
Ah, gotcha. Thought it was a "squadmate" thing with the achievement too. Hmmm, so how does a gay Sara get it then? PeeBee, Suvi... Who is the other one? Keri is a bisexual asari option. So, that means f/f get Peebe, Suvi, Vetra, and Keri. Straight guys get Peebee, Avela, Vetra, Cora, and Keri. Straight women get Jaal, Liam, and Reyes. Gay/bi players get Jaal, Reyes, and Gil. Meh, Avela/Keri don't even really count. Its just a few flirts. So everyone has 3 now. LOL, looking at that list is so depressing. Even if the CC updates look great I still don't see a romance option there I find interesting enough to go back for another run just to see. /sigh We need a DLC making Harry and Lexi both bi-options.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Jun 7, 2017 5:59:39 GMT
decafhigh You'd be surprised how many people enjoyed Keri. Asari will always please the dude bros. Avela is new, and she had a quest related to her. She still has decent content. Hell, adhi have more content in-game than Gil does. I actually don't care for Harry. I prefer the Kadara doctor... erm, I forget his name, but he is the same CC face as my Ryder #1. Lexi is too busy with her studies and being a doctor. She can't bone anymore, just too much work.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 7, 2017 6:10:04 GMT
decafhigh You'd be surprised how many people enjoyed Keri. Asari will always please the dude bros. Avela is new, and she had a quest related to her. She still has decent content. Hell, adhi have more content in-game than Gil does. I actually don't care for Harry. I prefer the Kadara doctor... erm, I forget his name, but he is the same CC face as my Ryder #1. Lexi is too busy with her studies and being a doctor. She can't bone anymore, just too much work. Keri/Avela, sure people could enjoy them, not saying that. Just I don't really count them as "romances". More like flings unless they actually add content to them in DLC/sequels. Harry I would actually do a Sara romance on. I don't usually go out of my way to do the straight romances, but I dunno, something about Harry I liked. He had a great VA. As for Lexi, well no bone needed if you catch my meaning...
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Jun 7, 2017 6:13:12 GMT
Harry was interesting, but I never saw him again after my twin woke up. He had no new dialogue, so I had no reason to chat him up. Wait, I guess there is that mission dealing with a cryo-sleep illness, but, still, I don't think they have much to go on. Lexi, at least, has some beef to her story.
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Post by thelonelypoet on Jun 7, 2017 6:30:29 GMT
Making Jaal bi feels very reasonable. He was always fascinated by the new aliens and his new companionships, hell, he even hangs naked with Liam naturally.
The crime here is his weird boobs.
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Post by kalasaurus on Jun 7, 2017 6:45:22 GMT
@op Jaal's scene was pretty horrific, yeah. I laughed uncomfortably when it happened; I was honestly expecting a fade to black there.
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Post by sil on Jun 7, 2017 6:48:47 GMT
Some people are never happy.
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Post by riou on Jun 7, 2017 7:47:38 GMT
Jaal was written as straight, period. All he talked about was his previous girlfriend. Sounds like a bi male to me The sad part is this is true of every bi male Bioware character. They talk a LOT about ex-girlfriends and female lovers.
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Post by NRieh on Jun 7, 2017 8:38:29 GMT
The fact that he is speaking only of previous girlfriend does not mean he could not discover his bissexuality with scott ryder, he is only 27 years old, some people discover their sexuality when they are way older than that. He could easily be a bissexual guy with a preference for woman, that is totally possible. Riiight. This awesome logic again. 'Anyone who had not expressed it otherwise should be considered bi by default'. Should it come in writing, I wonder? Is there some kind of 'sexuality confirmation' form? I'm just asking, you know. Because I've never actually told anyone directly that I'm straight (my husband and children included). I've been thinking that the very fact of me enjoying men's company for 30+ years and living with a male husband should speak for itself. But, apparently, it's not all that simple, is it?.. As for the OP - people are missing the point. Again. It's not about how fitting or lore-breaking Jaal's desire to get into Scotty's pants is. It's about the bloody fact of rewriting the established major character
- 3 months past release- with a patch, somewhere between fixing the driver optimisation and dealing with MP texture glitches. - on demand. And they don't even pretend that it's not like that. - without actually fixing the issue. Gay Scott has no proper human m\m arc. But hey? At the very least he can have an achievement now. Took them long enough to master counting to 3.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 7, 2017 8:57:21 GMT
Judging by the joy in the Jaal and Romance thread, this looks to me like a good fix. - It's a lore-consistent adjustment that allows m/m romances to now meet the 3 romances achievement.
- No other players' content is diminished or affected by this change.
Beyond that, I'm struggling to see any legitimate reason for any upset here. Threads exist to discuss these matters and share opinions, but if anyone starts getting nasty please report or PM me.
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Post by sil on Jun 7, 2017 9:02:38 GMT
Wasn't there cut content in the game for Jaal being bi anyway?
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 7, 2017 9:06:52 GMT
Riiight. This awesome logic again. 'Anyone who had not expressed it otherwise should be considered bi by default' It apparently depends on whether a given character is romanceable or not. A romanceable character who only ever expresses interest in one gender is still considered bi, because s/he did not explicitly state otherwise, like Jaal, Anders, Kaidan, etc. A not romanceable character who only ever expresses interest in the other gender is clearly straight, because if s/he is not romanceable anyway, s/he is more useful as a "look, there's still so many straight people in our party!" character. Or does anyone think Varric or Vivienne are bi?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 7, 2017 9:56:36 GMT
decafhigh You'd be surprised how many people enjoyed Keri. Asari will always please the dude bros. Avela is new, and she had a quest related to her. She still has decent content. Hell, adhi have more content in-game than Gil does. I actually don't care for Harry. I prefer the Kadara doctor... erm, I forget his name, but he is the same CC face as my Ryder #1. Lexi is too busy with her studies and being a doctor. She can't bone anymore, just too much work. Keri/Avela, sure people could enjoy them, not saying that. Just I don't really count them as "romances". More like flings unless they actually add content to them in DLC/sequels. Harry I would actually do a Sara romance on. I don't usually go out of my way to do the straight romances, but I dunno, something about Harry I liked. He had a great VA. As for Lexi, well no bone needed if you catch my meaning... I hope Avela and Keri get more content in DLC and sequels if we continue as Ryder. It sounds like they might due to the dialogue at the end of the romances, and there are ways to work them into stories. If no "no bone needed" you mean Lexi would be an ace/demi romance thus no sex involved then I am all for it.
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Post by abaris on Jun 7, 2017 10:08:16 GMT
Sure you name ain't dark rage? Jaal had nothing saying he was simply straight. Ah the hell with it. At this stage Bioware could shit solid gold bricks and people would still say it's shit not gold. Seeing as you always jump to the defense as if you were constantly on your knees praying to the gods of game creation, I take your opinion as seriously as I take hateful comments. OP has a point. I'm not gay, but I see how limited M/M options in this game already are. Gil, possibly the most boring character in the whole game and Reyes, who's cool, but who simply vanishes if you choose Sloane to lead Kadara. I take the Jaal business the same way as I took Kaidan suddenly turning bi. I don't really care, but I do understand that gay people may have hoped for some more meaningful approach.
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