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Post by dark8sage on Jun 7, 2017 1:58:10 GMT
Of course they went with a lazy alien gimmick instead of addressing the fact the two already existing M/M options are terribly implemented.
Both Gil and Reyes are made with recycled ugly character creator assets (and yes, this means you can find near clones of them in the game as NPC's; an NPC nearby Addison virtually has Reyes's same face, but with a different hairstyle).
Jaal was written as straight, period. All he talked about was his previous girlfriend. Reyes danced with male Scott as if he were dancing with the female Ryder template, and his kiss went near scott's cheekbones instead of mouth. Gil is a whole other matter with his baby mama storyline and the fact he's got a bald spot in his chin amidst the stubble for some reason on top of the carrot orange hair on a darker skin guy. No Reyes during movie night, and no expanded dialogue for both existing M/M options to come remotely close to Cora/Peebee.
Instead we'll get a romance that was originally made for a female Ryder and that same horrific scene I'd rather not think about too closely. Which is hilarious, that some freak Alien going down on you is going to be the closest to M/M intimacy over the actual human options.
Just, ugh. Fucking Twitter and those idiotic hashtag gimmicks giving developers the quick fix they preferred over revisiting what they actually fucked up. No need for more lines or scenes with Reyes or Gil. They now pair you up with an alien and call it a day.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 7, 2017 2:07:24 GMT
Of course they went with a lazy alien gimmick instead of addressing the fact the two already existing M/M options are terribly implemented. Both Gil and Reyes are made with recycled ugly character creator assets (and yes, this means you can find near clones of them in the game as NPC's; an NPC nearby Addison virtually has Reyes's same face, but with a different hairstyle). Jaal was written as straight, period. All he talked about was his previous girlfriend. Reyes danced with male Scott as if he were dancing with the female Ryder template, and his kiss went near scott's cheekbones instead of mouth. Gil is a whole other matter with his baby mama storyline and the fact he's got a bald spot in his chin amidst the stubble for some reason on top of the carrot orange hair on a darker skin guy. No Reyes during movie night, and no expanded dialogue for both existing M/M options to come remotely close to Cora/Peebee. Instead we'll get a romance that was originally made for a female Ryder and that same horrific scene I'd rather not think about too closely. Which is hilarious, that some freak Alien going down on you is going to be the closest to M/M intimacy over the actual human options. Just, ugh. Fucking Twitter and those idiotic hashtag gimmicks giving developers the quick fix they preferred over revisiting what they actually fucked up. No need for more lines or scenes with Reyes or Gil. They now pair you up with an alien and call it a day. Sure you name ain't dark rage? Jaal had nothing saying he was simply straight. Ah the hell with it. At this stage Bioware could shit solid gold bricks and people would still say it's shit not gold.
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Post by Sumerian Physics on Jun 7, 2017 2:08:02 GMT
Jaal was written as straight, period. All he talked about was his previous girlfriend. Sounds like a bi male to me
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 2:17:34 GMT
If you want to be honest about this, yes, Jaal was straight. The patch notes say they want to the LGBTQ community to find a way for it to make sense to make him bi, but it's very fair and why? The achievement for one since gay players could not get it with just Gil and Reyes. Second, no male bi squadmate or bi alien squadmate that's male has ever been in ME and though the tag was a bit harsh, it's not that different then females begging for Garrus as a LI in my opinion.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 7, 2017 2:17:34 GMT
Jaal was written as straight, period. All he talked about was his previous girlfriend. Sounds like a bi male to me Lol yeah I had a friend in high school that publicly dated girls. Then when we had a gaming pizza party at my house he tried to reach for the wrong joystick. 😱Luckily he took no for an answer lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 2:21:52 GMT
Sounds like a bi male to me Lol yeah I had a friend in high school that publicly dated girls. Then when we had a gaming pizza party at my house he tried to reach for the wrong joystick. 😱Luckily he took no for an answer lol. Interesting, tell me more!
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 7, 2017 2:24:23 GMT
Lol yeah I had a friend in high school that publicly dated girls. Then when we had a gaming pizza party at my house he tried to reach for the wrong joystick. 😱Luckily he took no for an answer lol. Interesting, tell me more! Yeah it's funny but not real appropriate. The "no"was let's just say rather painful for him as I was wearing steel toed shoes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 2:25:03 GMT
Gil was definitely the weakest character in the crew. I feel for you bro. I've even written it more than a few times that gay males got the shaft in this game. At least suvi is adorable and has that voice! Hell, she could have a bag over her head and that voice knocks it out of the park still. But Gil? Compared to Dorian? My girlfriend wanted to be a gay male because she loved Dorian that much. But she didn't want to actually do a whole new PT so she stole one of my saves and went with it. But to be fair, all the romances in this game were kind of awful. I was so noncommittal to them that I watched them all on youtube. When I was done I felt genuinely sad for anyone who really thinks any of them were good. BW honestly didn't even really try.
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Post by Obadiah on Jun 7, 2017 2:28:54 GMT
Maybe it's awesome for players who have never played a Bioware game before?
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Post by dark8sage on Jun 7, 2017 2:30:00 GMT
Of course they went with a lazy alien gimmick instead of addressing the fact the two already existing M/M options are terribly implemented. Both Gil and Reyes are made with recycled ugly character creator assets (and yes, this means you can find near clones of them in the game as NPC's; an NPC nearby Addison virtually has Reyes's same face, but with a different hairstyle). Jaal was written as straight, period. All he talked about was his previous girlfriend. Reyes danced with male Scott as if he were dancing with the female Ryder template, and his kiss went near scott's cheekbones instead of mouth. Gil is a whole other matter with his baby mama storyline and the fact he's got a bald spot in his chin amidst the stubble for some reason on top of the carrot orange hair on a darker skin guy. No Reyes during movie night, and no expanded dialogue for both existing M/M options to come remotely close to Cora/Peebee. Instead we'll get a romance that was originally made for a female Ryder and that same horrific scene I'd rather not think about too closely. Which is hilarious, that some freak Alien going down on you is going to be the closest to M/M intimacy over the actual human options. Just, ugh. Fucking Twitter and those idiotic hashtag gimmicks giving developers the quick fix they preferred over revisiting what they actually fucked up. No need for more lines or scenes with Reyes or Gil. They now pair you up with an alien and call it a day. Sure you name ain't dark rage? Jaal had nothing saying he was simply straight. Ah the hell with it. At this stage Bioware could shit solid gold bricks and people would still say it's shit not gold. Figured some jackass would bring up the tried and true "you're entitled". So let's dispense with the insinuation that they making Jaal bi triggers some homophobic backlash from me. Don't give a shit. What I do give a shit about is that he's basically a way Bioware absolves themselves of addressing the shortcomings with Reyes and Gil, our actually intended romances. He wasn't romanceable before. Unlike Liam he didn't even give you the option to flirt and be turned down. They said as much that they had to change their minds about him. And he's cheaper than recalling voice actors to record more Reyes/Gil lines and scenes. It's a cop out, that simple.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 2:32:24 GMT
Sure you name ain't dark rage? Jaal had nothing saying he was simply straight. Ah the hell with it. At this stage Bioware could shit solid gold bricks and people would still say it's shit not gold. Figured some jackass would bring up the tried and true "you're entitled". So let's dispense with the insinuation that they making Jaal bi triggers some homophobic backlash from me. Don't give a shit. What I do give a shit about is that he's basically a way Bioware absolves themselves of addressing the shortcomings with Reyes and Gil, our actually intended romances. He wasn't romanceable before. Unlike Liam he didn't even give you the option to flirt and be turned down. They said as much that they had to change their minds about him. And he's cheaper than recalling voice actors to record more Reyes/Gil lines and scenes. It's a cop out, that simple. Actually both the voice actor for Scott and Jaal recorded new lines for the romance. It is not a copy paste. Does that make a difference?
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 7, 2017 2:36:52 GMT
Sure you name ain't dark rage? Jaal had nothing saying he was simply straight. Ah the hell with it. At this stage Bioware could shit solid gold bricks and people would still say it's shit not gold. Figured some jackass would bring up the tried and true "you're entitled". So let's dispense with the insinuation that they making Jaal bi triggers some homophobic backlash from me. Don't give a shit. What I do give a shit about is that he's basically a way Bioware absolves themselves of addressing the shortcomings with Reyes and Gil, our actually intended romances. He wasn't romanceable before. Unlike Liam he didn't even give you the option to flirt and be turned down. They said as much that they had to change their minds about him. And he's cheaper than recalling voice actors to record more Reyes/Gil lines and scenes. It's a cop out, that simple. I don't agree.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 2:38:18 GMT
Figured some jackass would bring up the tried and true "you're entitled". So let's dispense with the insinuation that they making Jaal bi triggers some homophobic backlash from me. Don't give a shit. What I do give a shit about is that he's basically a way Bioware absolves themselves of addressing the shortcomings with Reyes and Gil, our actually intended romances. He wasn't romanceable before. Unlike Liam he didn't even give you the option to flirt and be turned down. They said as much that they had to change their minds about him. And he's cheaper than recalling voice actors to record more Reyes/Gil lines and scenes. It's a cop out, that simple. Actually both the voice actor for Scott and Jaal recorded new lines for the romance. It is not a copy paste. Does that make a difference? Yep! Gamble and Tom confirmed this on Twitter. They also got the editors, writers and animators together and made new stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 2:45:48 GMT
Interesting, tell me more! Yeah it's funny but not real appropriate. The "no"was let's just say rather painful for him as I was wearing steel toed shoes. Naw, poor guy. Should've given it a chance, never know what might strike your fancy! Not that i am trying to get you over to the dark side or anything.
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Post by malgus on Jun 7, 2017 2:52:14 GMT
The fact that he is speaking only of previous girlfriend does not mean he could not discover his bissexuality with scott ryder, he is only 27 years old, some people discover their sexuality when they are way older than that. He could easily be a bissexual guy with a preference for woman, that is totally possible.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 2:54:13 GMT
The fact that he is speaking only of previous girlfriend does not mean he could not discover his bissexuality with scott ryder, he is only 27 years old, some people discover their sexuality when they are way older than that. He could easily be a bissexual guy with a preference for woman, that is totally possible. Scott could awaken that in him. Makes it even more awesome that Scott is his only male interest ever. No ex boyfriend or sexual experiences with a male unlike Zev, Anders and Fenris.
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Post by bshep on Jun 7, 2017 3:08:19 GMT
The fact that he is speaking only of previous girlfriend does not mean he could not discover his bissexuality with scott ryder, he is only 27 years old, some people discover their sexuality when they are way older than that. He could easily be a bissexual guy with a preference for woman, that is totally possible. Scott could awaken that in him. Makes it even more awesome that Scott is his only male interest ever. No ex boyfriend or sexual experiences with a male unlike Zev, Anders and Fenris. Bottom line, why you so mad OP? It's not like you are going to click "by mistake" on the option with the BIG HEART icon on the side to flirt with Jaal, right?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 3:11:28 GMT
Scott could awaken that in him. Makes it even more awesome that Scott is his only male interest ever. No ex boyfriend or sexual experiences with a male unlike Zev, Anders and Fenris. Bottom line, why you so mad OP? It's not like you are going to click "by mistake" on the option with the BIG HEART icon on the side to flirt with Jaal, right? You can reject Jaal too, so if they gave Scott the friendship tones, then DO NOT touch them unless you want to break Jaal's heart (again) later.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 7, 2017 3:12:51 GMT
If you want to be honest about this, yes, Jaal was straight. The patch notes say they want to the LGBTQ community to find a way for it to make sense to make him bi, but it's very fair and why? The achievement for one since gay players could not get it with just Gil and Reyes. Second, no male bi squadmate or bi alien squadmate that's male has ever been in ME and though the tag was a bit harsh, it's not that different then females begging for Garrus as a LI in my opinion.I have to disagree as I do not recall Garrus having an established sexuality that was changed due to popular demands, He was made a love interest due to popular demand, true, but, he did not have a sexuality that was changed to allow this as far as I can recall.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 7, 2017 3:14:06 GMT
Actually, in this case it did fix two major issues, arguably the biggest. First of all, the lack of an option on the squad itself played into negative stereotypes about non-heterosexual men in combat roles. Second of all, does it really need to be explained what's wrong with making gay men the only orientation who could not get every achievement while playing within our own gender and orientation?
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Jun 7, 2017 3:14:34 GMT
Jaal will not affect you haters in any way. Don't click the options to flirt. Simple as that. Sara will still have her Jaal. Scott will have his own version. Devs have said there is new VA work, animations, and many consultants were brought in to get the content correct, unlike their previous failures with m/m content.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Jun 7, 2017 3:15:10 GMT
Agreed
They compromised apart of his identity to panhandle.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 3:15:29 GMT
If you want to be honest about this, yes, Jaal was straight. The patch notes say they want to the LGBTQ community to find a way for it to make sense to make him bi, but it's very fair and why? The achievement for one since gay players could not get it with just Gil and Reyes. Second, no male bi squadmate or bi alien squadmate that's male has ever been in ME and though the tag was a bit harsh, it's not that different then females begging for Garrus as a LI in my opinion.I have to disagree as I do not recall Garrus having an established sexuality that was changed due to popular demands, He was made a love interest due to popular demand, true, but, he did not have a sexuality that was changed to allow this as far as I can recall. Not about that. Its about listening to the fans. Gay guys wanted Jaal. Females wanted Garrus. BW complied. Same with Kaidan too.
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Post by leadintea on Jun 7, 2017 3:16:07 GMT
Personally, as a gay man, I 100% agree with the TC. I can see why they did it (especially in regards to the trophy), but I'm not happy about it. Changing Jaal to bi isn't tackling the real issue of gay men getting the shaft in pretty much every Bioware game with romances in it, it's just putting a band-aid over the situation and calling it a day, just like they did when they changed Anders and Kaidan to be bi. I'm not sure about other gay guys, but I find it disheartening that we keep getting scraps like these when every other orientation gets characters created specifically for them, not just jerry-rigged straight characters for the sake of appeasing the gay crowd. Overall, I guess I'm fine with what happened since it was the easiest and cheapest way to fix the problem, but I really hope that Bioware will learn how to create fair and equal content for all demographics going forward.
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