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Post by sil on Jun 7, 2017 10:18:53 GMT
I don't see why people get so upset about it. I know there is cut content for Kaidan and Ashley in ME1 for gay romances, just as there is cut content for Tali and Miranda for femshep. If someone modded those bits of cut content back in, I'd think it was awesome. I think this is awesome, someone out there playing Scott Ryder will finally be able to romance the character they wanted to romance. It's a win, yet people can't seem to ever see it.
No wonder Bioware destroyed their own forums, they couldn't get anything right by this toxic community.
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Post by bshep on Jun 7, 2017 10:19:53 GMT
Wasn't there cut content in the game for Jaal being bi anyway? From what some people said there was dialogue implying this that was datamined from game files. Not sure if this is true.
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Post by abaris on Jun 7, 2017 10:27:15 GMT
I know there is cut content for Kaidan and Ashley in ME1 for gay romances, just as there is cut content for Tali and Miranda for femshep. Probably never got developed though. The nexus modders have restored each and every scene that didn't make it into the finished game, but was hidden in the files somewhere. Such as the original meeting with the Cerberus engineers instead of just having a mail about them being allowed back. They did the same with FO4, which provided quite a few more meaningful scenes than the finished game showed us. So there may have been plans, but it's certainly not in the game. Otherwise one of them would have found them. Especially since there's a mod allowing for a lesbian Ashley romance. Without voice though.
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Post by sil on Jun 7, 2017 10:32:59 GMT
Probably never got developed though. The nexus modders have restored each and every scene that didn't make it into the finished game, but was hidden in the files somewhere. Such as the original meeting with the Cerberus engineers instead of just having a mail about them being allowed back. They did the same with FO4, which provided quite a few more meaningful scenes than the finished game showed us. So there may have been plans, but it's certainly not in the game. Otherwise one of them would have found them. Especially since there's a mod allowing for a lesbian Ashley romance. Without voice though. I'm one of the nexus modders, and there is still stuff that's cut. For example, certain missions had broader enemy spawn patterns and I restored some into my Respawn mod. There is still stuff out there for ME3, and ME2 is pretty much untouched. We know that Tali & Miranda both have audio files for femshep romances, that there are news broadcasts about Executor Palin, the Consort and others that don't appear due to bugs or being cut. There is cut dialogue for the Presidium Gardener, and in other places. Modders have brought back a lot, but there is a lot left that hasn't been
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Post by kalasaurus on Jun 7, 2017 10:37:56 GMT
Keri/Avela, sure people could enjoy them, not saying that. Just I don't really count them as "romances". More like flings unless they actually add content to them in DLC/sequels. Harry I would actually do a Sara romance on. I don't usually go out of my way to do the straight romances, but I dunno, something about Harry I liked. He had a great VA. As for Lexi, well no bone needed if you catch my meaning... I hope Avela and Keri get more content in DLC and sequels if we continue as Ryder. It sounds like they might due to the dialogue at the end of the romances, and there are ways to work them into stories. If no "no bone needed" you mean Lexi would be an ace/demi romance thus no sex involved then I am all for it. Keri counts towards the achievement. I'm guessing Avela does too? So, technically Keri is seen as a full romance, though it is implied at the end that it may go further. I only saw it as a Ryder who was already committed to someone else, so idk how the dialogue changes if Ryder wasn't cheating.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 7, 2017 10:40:55 GMT
I don't see why people get so upset about it. I know there is cut content for Kaidan and Ashley in ME1 for gay romances, just as there is cut content for Tali and Miranda for femshep. If someone modded those bits of cut content back in, I'd think it was awesome. I think this is awesome, someone out there playing Scott Ryder will finally be able to romance the character they wanted to romance. It's a win, yet people can't seem to ever see it. No wonder Bioware destroyed their own forums, they couldn't get anything right by this toxic community. To be honest, I think there are toxic individuals rather than a toxic community, but sure, it's not possible to please everyone and hating via anonymity seems more prevalent these days. I think EA (rather than BioWare) reasoned that BSN Prime was a 'no-win proposition' irrespective of how the game would be received.
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Post by NRieh on Jun 7, 2017 10:42:58 GMT
There's no 'cut content for gay romance' in ME1. There is Mark Meer who was recording femShep's lines to make coding and flag logic easier. Hale and Meer had voiced the exactly same script. They could've recorded farts or tubular bells for those 'dummy' lines instead, but it was too much of an effort. Both Kaidan and mShep reference Shepard as 'she\woman' on the hacked gay ME1 PT.
And I feel like reminding that Kaidan's gaymance had not been added as a line in the patch notes, it's a possible natural 1-2-3 'friends-->more than friends' relationship arc (with Alchera, Horizon, Mars and Citadel on the way).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 10:44:48 GMT
I hope they just make all future characters in the next game playersexual so we get rid of this discussion once and for all so that they focus on other more pressing issues.
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Post by abaris on Jun 7, 2017 10:46:31 GMT
From what some people said there was dialogue implying this that was datamined from game files. Not sure if this is true. Which seems likely, seeing as they won't reinvent the development and voice acting wheel for a mere patch.
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Post by sil on Jun 7, 2017 10:52:24 GMT
There's no 'cut content for gay romance' in ME1. There is Mark Meer who was recording femShep's lines to make coding and flag logic easier. Hale and Meer had voiced the exactly same script. They could've recorded farts or tubular bells for those 'dummy' lines instead, but it was too much of an effort. Both Kaidan and mShep reference Shepard as 'she\woman' on the hacked gay ME1 PT. And I feel like reminding that Kaidan's gaymance had not been added as a line in the patch notes, it's a possible natural 1-2-3 'friends-->more than friends' relationship arc (with Alchera, Horizon, Mars and Citadel on the way). Actually, you're wrong. I've done a complete audio dump from Mass Effect 1 for my mod to make sure I get the right audio for Shep and another character, so I've gone through a lot of the lines. Though many of the Shepard lines are similar, there are areas where there are differences, and some places where there are Shep lines for one gender and not the other. These aren't just for romances either.
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Post by setokaiba on Jun 7, 2017 11:06:47 GMT
I hope they just make all future characters in the next game playersexual so we get rid of this discussion once and for all so that they focus on other more pressing issues. It won't. I was on the Bethesda forum pre Fallout 4 and complained that everyone being bi was stupid. You going to piss people off no matter what.
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Post by sharkboy421 on Jun 7, 2017 11:10:53 GMT
I hope they just make all future characters in the next game playersexual so we get rid of this discussion once and for all so that they focus on other more pressing issues. Don't you remember DA2? This created just as much consternation as what we have now. I can see both sides of it; it is more believable and "real" to have characters with set orientations and preferences like the previous ME games. But on the other hand, playersexual gives just that, player choice. I personally would prefer playersexual as well but I have seen several informal polls that puts that opinion in the far minority.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 11:33:34 GMT
I hope they just make all future characters in the next game playersexual so we get rid of this discussion once and for all so that they focus on other more pressing issues. It won't. I was on the Bethesda forum pre Fallout 4 and complained that everyone being bi was stupid. You going to piss people off no matter what. True but at least in doing so you at least give to everyone what they want. It is realistic? Nope but it's a game. It's not supposed to be realistic to begin with. It is supposed to be fun and satisfying.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 7, 2017 11:40:04 GMT
Unless there's a major part of their character arc is their orientation such as Dorian, i don't see playersexual approach would take anything away from characterisation. See no reason why this change makes Jaal's characterisation inconsistent. In an artificially limited pool of options playersexuality seems the best route to me but they seem opposed for political representation reasons, so i doubt we'll see it return.
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Post by abaris on Jun 7, 2017 11:46:55 GMT
It won't. I was on the Bethesda forum pre Fallout 4 and complained that everyone being bi was stupid. You going to piss people off no matter what. With FO4 it's more on the lines of them looking at other game and seeing they had romances. So why not shoehorn romances into this game? Totally meaningless of course, as is Bethesada's speciality with things like that. Same as the marriage in Skyrim. Everyone's available to every player at the same frigging time. No personality, no sexual preferences, no jealousy. You can set up a mixed harem if you feel like it. Suffice to say, I found seducing Magnolia or the robot in Far Harbor more appealing than any of the standard companions.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 7, 2017 12:06:40 GMT
Sounds like a bi male to me Lol yeah I had a friend in high school that publicly dated girls. Then when we had a gaming pizza party at my house he tried to reach for the wrong joystick. 😱Luckily he took no for an answer lol. It's not just in high school. It's everywhere and places you would never expect it. I was in the service from 1989-1995. I heard rumors of gay soldiers, but I dismissed them because you couldn't get into the service at the time if you were homosexual. One of my best buddies who was stationed with me in Somalia was gay. He never told me. I only found out about it after having to pack his personal stuff into a duffel bag that would accompany his body back to the states. He never made a pass at me. He never mentioned anything other than he had a girlfriend back in "Joisey." He was a great soldier and I'm glad he trusted me enough to be his friend. We had some serious pen and paper battles that helped me escape Mogadishu and put me in a place called the Forgotten Realms. Anyway... I think the quest bugs are more important so as to make the product more polished. I do appreciate that BioWare is concerned, but the foundation needs fixing before the curtains need to be realigned. Capiche?
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Post by jf8350143 on Jun 7, 2017 12:15:25 GMT
I dont' really have a problem with this specific change, but more worried about what this might lead to in the future. I can already seeing people demanding a certain character to become bi as soon as the next bioware game comes out.
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Post by thedarkprince on Jun 7, 2017 12:17:38 GMT
Just another lazy move, in a game full of lazy bullshit. Nothing new to see here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 12:18:23 GMT
Unless there's a major part of their character arc is their orientation such as Dorian, i don't see playersexual approach would take anything away from characterisation. See no reason why this change makes Jaal's characterisation inconsistent. In an artificially limited pool of options playersexuality seems the best route to me but they seem opposed for political representation reasons, so i doubt we'll see it return. Jaal's LM is about family and his whole character arc is about finding his true self, so this is perfect in my opinion. He finds his true happiness with Scott and learns a bit about himself, and for Sara players, he finds happiness in her arms and a sense of belonging. Both work.
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Post by abaris on Jun 7, 2017 12:21:18 GMT
I dont' really have a problem with this specific change, but more worried about what this might lead to in the future. I can already seeing people demanding a certain character to become bi as soon as the next bioware game comes out. You really think they did that by popular internet demand? The internet that isn't a mirror of the player base at large? Do you really think, that something like that is developed, voiced and implemented in a game within 4 to 5 weeks if it hadn't been already there? They left it out from the original release. For whatever reasons. Maybe it was bugged or they just didn't have the time to put on the finishing touches. But it had been there from the start. They only activated what was already in the game.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 7, 2017 12:26:32 GMT
You really think they did that by popular internet demand? The internet that isn't a mirror of the player base at large? Do you really think, that something like that is developed, voiced and implemented in a game within 4 to 5 weeks if it hadn't been already there? They left it out from the original release. For whatever reasons. Maybe it was bugged or they just didn't have the time to put on the finishing touches. But it had been there from the start. They only activated what was already in the game.Except what I've read from other posters including one in this thread, it involve new animation, new voice acting and hired consultants. That doesn't seem like just putting the finishing touches on something or activating someone that was already there. That sounds like creating content. Why would you hire consultants if you're already all but done and just need to activate something?
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I dont' really have a problem with this specific change, but more worried about what this might lead to in the future. I can already seeing people demanding a certain character to become bi as soon as the next bioware game comes out. You really think they did that by popular internet demand? The internet that isn't a mirror of the player base at large? Do you really think, that something like that is developed, voiced and implemented in a game within 4 to 5 weeks if it hadn't been already there? They left it out from the original release. For whatever reasons. Maybe it was bugged or they just didn't have the time to put on the finishing touches. But it had been there from the start. They only activated what was already in the game. Actually this is a new romance written after talking to people who know their stuff, so I'm interested to see if they get it right or not. If they do, then talking to the LGBTQ community shows it works and should be done when writing gay, bi and lesbian LI's in games. Hopefully they learned this for future games.
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Post by sil on Jun 7, 2017 12:30:08 GMT
Except what I've read from other posters including one in this thread, it involve new animation, new voice acting and hired consultants. That doesn't seem like just putting the finishing touches on something or activating someone that was already there. I highly doubt they hired consultants, they likely just invited team members who are LGBT to discuss how to handle it, or had a work-based email survey. I doubt it cost them anything more than an hour or two chatting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 12:33:05 GMT
Except what I've read from other posters including one in this thread, it involve new animation, new voice acting and hired consultants. That doesn't seem like just putting the finishing touches on something or activating someone that was already there. I highly doubt they hired consultants, they likely just invited team members who are LGBT to discuss how to handle it, or had a work-based email survey. I doubt it cost them anything more than an hour or two chatting. Apparently they wanted to have Jaal being bi "make sense" so they wanted to write it without offending people who are bi/gay. As they said, they wanted to get it right.
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Post by abaris on Jun 7, 2017 12:34:40 GMT
Except what I've read from other posters including one in this thread, it involve new animation, new voice acting and hired consultants. That doesn't seem like just putting the finishing touches on something or activating someone that was already there. That sounds like creating content. Why would you hire consultants if you're already all but done and just need to activate something? I would be curious about the sources for that claim. If that is true, and it wasn't already in the works when the game was released nearly 3 months ago, expect a bugfest. My guess is that the part about the consultant is rather about the Abrams issue, where they removed her dialogue when the shitstorm broke lose and claim to have replaced it by now. That's much easier done, since it's only about a few lines of dialogue for an immobile NPC.
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