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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 12:37:50 GMT
Except what I've read from other posters including one in this thread, it involve new animation, new voice acting and hired consultants. That doesn't seem like just putting the finishing touches on something or activating someone that was already there. That sounds like creating content. Why would you hire consultants if you're already all but done and just need to activate something? I would be curious about the sources for that claim. If that is true, and it wasn't already in the works when the game was released nearly 3 months ago, expect a bugfest. My guess is that the part about the consultant is rather about the Abrams issue, where they removed her dialogue when the shitstorm broke lose and claim to have replaced it by now. That's much easier done, since it's only about a few lines of dialogue for an immobile NPC. It's in the patch notes about Jaal.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 7, 2017 12:43:26 GMT
Scott could awaken that in him. Makes it even more awesome that Scott is his only male interest ever. No ex boyfriend or sexual experiences with a male unlike Zev, Anders and Fenris. Bottom line, why you so mad OP? It's not like you are going to click "by mistake" on the option with the BIG HEART icon on the side to flirt with Jaal, right? Uh, I'm getting the feeling that some people didn't read OP's post or misunderstood. That's kind of missing what OP is upset about which is what they feel is the Mass Effect team providing a quick fix rather than revising what the problem was with the intended romances. Like how Reyes' animation during the dance scene doesn't sync properly with male Ryder resulting in a kiss of the cheek rather than the kiss on the mouth that female Ryder shares with him. Like how the content for both of the romances comes nowhere near close to the content avaliable for Cora and PB. OP would have liked to see this content expanded. "Of course they went with a lazy alien gimmick instead of addressing the fact the two already existing M/M options are terribly implemented.""Gil is a whole other matter with his baby mama storyline and the fact he's got a bald spot in his chin amidst the stubble for some reason on top of the carrot orange hair on a darker skin guy. No Reyes during movie night, and no expanded dialogue for both existing M/M options to come remotely close to Cora/Peebee.""Just, ugh. Fucking Twitter and those idiotic hashtag gimmicks giving developers the quick fix they preferred over revisiting what they actually fucked up. No need for more lines or scenes with Reyes or Gil. They now pair you up with an alien and call it a day"Basically, OP feels this is a makes it easy moment for the developers.
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Post by abaris on Jun 7, 2017 12:44:05 GMT
It's in the patch notes about Jaal. Ah, they say it, so it has to be true. I see. What do you expect them to say? We just picked up what we already had, ironed it out and put it there for your convenience, since we only had four weeks to work on it? It may be bordering on the truth however. They wanted Jaal to be bi right from the start. Did all they said they did and didn't have enough time to implement it into the game prior to release.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 12:45:43 GMT
It's in the patch notes about Jaal. Ah, they say it, so it has to be true. I see. What do you expect them to say? We just picked up what we already had, ironed it out and put it there for your convenience, since we only had four weeks to work on it? You think it took only 4 weeks to write a new story, edit it, animate it and get the voice actors to come back in?
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Post by shechinah on Jun 7, 2017 12:46:08 GMT
Except what I've read from other posters including one in this thread, it involve new animation, new voice acting and hired consultants. That doesn't seem like just putting the finishing touches on something or activating someone that was already there. I highly doubt they hired consultants, they likely just invited team members who are LGBT to discuss how to handle it, or had a work-based email survey. I doubt it cost them anything more than an hour or two chatting. Ah, my mistake about that: it says that they consulted with members of the community both externally and internally. I got that turned around in my head because someone elsewhere used consultations when listing what been done. Faulty paraphrasing, basically. I still, however, doubt that this was something merely activated and only required the finishing touching because of the need for additional voicing acting and new animations.
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Post by abaris on Jun 7, 2017 12:48:14 GMT
You think it took only 4 weeks to write a new story, edit it, animate it and get the voice actors to come back in? No, I'm the one disputing that. It was meant to be ironic. No developer manages that, with all the parameters involved with such a large game. They already had it. More or less finished and only put the last touches on it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 12:50:08 GMT
You think it took only 4 weeks to write a new story, edit it, animate it and get the voice actors to come back in? No, I'm the one disputing that. It was meant to be ironic. No developer manages that, with all the parameters involved with such a large game. They already had it. More or less finished and only put the last touches on it. Based on the outrage and promise to fix it, I'd say since March they've been working on this, so I think 4 months is good enough. We'll know how well this worked out when the guys romance him. Ian stopped by our thread asking for feedback, so hopefully it'll be positive responses!
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Post by setokaiba on Jun 7, 2017 12:51:11 GMT
So are we getting bisexual Suvi or not?
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 7, 2017 12:59:27 GMT
Why, are you lacking a female romanceable squadmate?
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Post by malgus on Jun 7, 2017 13:54:11 GMT
The fact that he is speaking only of previous girlfriend does not mean he could not discover his bissexuality with scott ryder, he is only 27 years old, some people discover their sexuality when they are way older than that. He could easily be a bissexual guy with a preference for woman, that is totally possible. Riiight. This awesome logic again. 'Anyone who had not expressed it otherwise should be considered bi by default'. Should it come in writing, I wonder? Is there some kind of 'sexuality confirmation' form? I'm just asking, you know. Because I've never actually told anyone directly that I'm straight (my husband and children included). I've been thinking that the very fact of me enjoying men's company for 30+ years and living with a male husband should speak for itself. But, apparently, it's not all that simple, is it?.. As for the OP - people are missing the point. Again. It's not about how fitting or lore-breaking Jaal's desire to get into Scotty's pants is. It's about the bloody fact of rewriting the established major character
- 3 months past release- with a patch, somewhere between fixing the driver optimisation and dealing with MP texture glitches. - on demand. And they don't even pretend that it's not like that. - without actually fixing the issue. Gay Scott has no proper human m\m arc. But hey? At the very least he can have an achievement now. Took them long enough to master counting to 3. First of all the op did said that previous sexual experience mattered when he said this : "Jaal was written as straight, period. All he talked about was his previous girlfriend." So yeah it is a bit about fitting and lore breaking. And I never said that if someone does not express is sexuality should be considered bissexual by default, what I was saying was that it was possible. Expressing an attraction to a gender does not mean someone can never be attracted to the other gender. That is the difference. I don't know your age but we know for a fact that jaal is only 27 years ols, maybe you are certain of your sexuality but some individual are not, especially the one who did not even reach 30 years old. Oh and the fact the scott does not have a human male squadmates romance, I am straight and my favorite love interest of ME have always been alien. I could not care less if cora was not romancable, I will only seduced her maybe if I do a third scott and that would only happen if I do a fourth playthrought, something I am not sure. I don't need a "proper" human romance. So yeah there is an alien male romance, something there has never been since the very first mass effect and was asked for a long time. Finally it is possible while male love interest for male protagonist has been asked for a long time. So no there is no need to have a "proper" human romance, its not about filling a quota of human romance, its about having interesting characters and interesting roamnces, that is the only thing that matters in this aspect. By the way where did the op spoke about driver optimisation and fixing bugs? Because I read it and he did not (maybe I am just tired and did not see it), maybe he is going to edit it soon but right now here is what it says, tell me where it is : "Of course they went with a lazy alien gimmick instead of addressing the fact the two already existing M/M options are terribly implemented. Both Gil and Reyes are made with recycled ugly character creator assets (and yes, this means you can find near clones of them in the game as NPC's; an NPC nearby Addison virtually has Reyes's same face, but with a different hairstyle). Jaal was written as straight, period. All he talked about was his previous girlfriend. Reyes danced with male Scott as if he were dancing with the female Ryder template, and his kiss went near scott's cheekbones instead of mouth. Gil is a whole other matter with his baby mama storyline and the fact he's got a bald spot in his chin amidst the stubble for some reason on top of the carrot orange hair on a darker skin guy. No Reyes during movie night, and no expanded dialogue for both existing M/M options to come remotely close to Cora/Peebee. Instead we'll get a romance that was originally made for a female Ryder and that same horrific scene I'd rather not think about too closely. Which is hilarious, that some freak Alien going down on you is going to be the closest to M/M intimacy over the actual human options. Just, ugh. Fucking Twitter and those idiotic hashtag gimmicks giving developers the quick fix they preferred over revisiting what they actually fucked up. No need for more lines or scenes with Reyes or Gil. They now pair you up with an alien and call it a day."
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Post by isaidlunch on Jun 7, 2017 13:57:32 GMT
So are we getting bisexual Suvi or not? If you politely ask Bioware for a development build then you may get your wish
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 7, 2017 14:00:09 GMT
So are we getting bisexual Suvi or not? Frankly I've always been in favor of making all the romance options player-sexual so sure, why not.
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Post by The Twilight God on Jun 7, 2017 14:11:24 GMT
Who gives a shit at this point?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 14:13:46 GMT
They did EXACTLY what people asked for. just frighten unbelievable. Back in my days, Bio just told us there was no resources, and Anomen is really great, not jumped to please us. Maybe that's what they have to go back to, because peeps just don't appreciate their own requests being satisfied.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 15:02:18 GMT
Apparently Jaal was supposed to be bi from the jump according to dev tweets. Seems to me further proof EA rushed the game out the door and now BW is retroactively trying to make good on promises. Whatevs... doesn't really effect me in any way... besides the whole, resources could be put to better use in other areas, but fuck me, right? The irritating part about it is that Suvi was supposed to be bi as well, but that got nixed and she is lesbian only. You can bet your ass that that won't ever be changed because something something political agenda, no matter how much the fans beg.
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Post by xassantex on Jun 7, 2017 15:11:25 GMT
this whole romancing aliens ( whether hetero or homo ) makes no sense to me anyway. Where is data regarding their reproduction methods ? Does a male Angara have a dick ? Is it manageable ? 0_o Those details are important.
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Post by abaris on Jun 7, 2017 15:24:49 GMT
Apparently Jaal was supposed to be bi from the jump according to dev tweets. Seems to me further proof EA rushed the game out the door and now BW is retroactively trying to make good on promises. Which kind of confirms my assumption that this isn't something new, but something not making it into the game release. It's probably hidden in the files somewhere with the patch just unlocking and implementing the original option.
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Post by bizantura on Jun 7, 2017 15:40:28 GMT
I don't see why people get so upset about it. I know there is cut content for Kaidan and Ashley in ME1 for gay romances, just as there is cut content for Tali and Miranda for femshep. If someone modded those bits of cut content back in, I'd think it was awesome. I think this is awesome, someone out there playing Scott Ryder will finally be able to romance the character they wanted to romance. It's a win, yet people can't seem to ever see it. No wonder Bioware destroyed their own forums, they couldn't get anything right by this toxic community. To be honest, I think there are toxic individuals rather than a toxic community, but sure, it's not possible to please everyone and hating via anonymity seems more prevalent these days. I think EA (rather than BioWare) reasoned that BSN Prime was a 'no-win proposition' irrespective of how the game would be received. Granted, a subject with this heading can give of some steemy comments. But I perceive this forum as anything but toxic and frankly not as the Bioware forum became at the end years. If we all would be kumbaya-ing something would be wrong. Maybe someone more adept then I could devise a poll of how individuals perceive this forum as. To date, I like my daily visits to this forum.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 15:45:02 GMT
Apparently Jaal was supposed to be bi from the jump according to dev tweets. Seems to me further proof EA rushed the game out the door and now BW is retroactively trying to make good on promises. Which kind of confirms my assumption that this isn't something new, but something not making it into the game release. It's probably hidden in the files somewhere with the patch just unlocking and implementing the original option. There is a substantial amount of missing content that would have to add in the make a bi Jaal possible according to peeps who data-mined the game files, so that's not quite true, but you strike on the vein of the situation dead on the money.
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Post by setokaiba on Jun 7, 2017 16:10:18 GMT
So are we getting bisexual Suvi or not? Frankly I've always been in favor of making all the romance options player-sexual so sure, why not. Leaving up to player creates less of a headache overall but people will cry Bioware did it to please SJWs or pushing some kind of agenda even if they did it to to get us to shut up.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 7, 2017 16:13:32 GMT
Frankly I've always been in favor of making all the romance options player-sexual so sure, why not. Leaving up to player creates less of a headache overall but people will cry Bioware did it to please SJWs or pushing some kind of agenda even if they did it to to get us to shut up. People will say that no matter what they do or don't do.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 7, 2017 16:18:44 GMT
To be honest, I think there are toxic individuals rather than a toxic community, but sure, it's not possible to please everyone and hating via anonymity seems more prevalent these days. I think EA (rather than BioWare) reasoned that BSN Prime was a 'no-win proposition' irrespective of how the game would be received. Granted, a subject with this heading can give of some steemy comments. But I perceive this forum as anything but toxic and frankly not as the Bioware forum became at the end years. If we all would be kumbaya-ing something would be wrong. Maybe someone more adept then I could devise a poll of how individuals perceive this forum as. To date, I like my daily visits to this forum. I don't think this forum is particularly toxic either, there are certainly more toxic corners of the internet. And we have the advantage that we aren't BioWare and so there is less urge for folk to rage and wave fingers at the administration because we didn't make the games.
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 7, 2017 16:38:28 GMT
It's in the patch notes about Jaal. Ah, they say it, so it has to be true. I see. What do you expect them to say? We just picked up what we already had, ironed it out and put it there for your convenience, since we only had four weeks to work on it? It may be bordering on the truth however. They wanted Jaal to be bi right from the start. Did all they said they did and didn't have enough time to implement it into the game prior to release. I'm a bit confused. Are you accusing them of lying, or not?
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Post by abaris on Jun 7, 2017 16:42:54 GMT
I'm a bit confused. Are you accusing them of lying, or not? Not lying. Just to embellish the truth a little bit. On the lines of, hey we hired a consultant, without mentioning when. Excuse me, but I have as a hard time imganining they created a whole new romance within 4 to 5 weeks as I have with hiring a consultant for a bloody patch, after the peak sales for the game are already over.
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 7, 2017 16:46:39 GMT
Apparently Jaal was supposed to be bi from the jump according to dev tweets. Seems to me further proof EA rushed the game out the door and now BW is retroactively trying to make good on promises. I'm not sure "rushed" is the right way to describe the situation. ME:A had a long enough dev cycle and even an extension. Bio just blew their deadlines. You can make a case that EA should have eaten the loss and extended into the next FY, sure. Maybe they wanted to make an example out of Montreal instead of bailing them out? Bad for ME brand equity, but good for keeping more important teams focused.
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