Credits are now based on how many waves YOU actually complete

Is it truly a linear payout system then boo.
If each wave is worth progressively more, then that's fine (and is basically ME3MP rules).

It sounds like it is linear, if people aren't getting >half credit for finishing+extracting from waves 5-7. Honestly, wave 1 should be worth zero percent of the credits. Credits should only take into account if you finished the wave. And extraction credit bonuses/penalties shouldn't be %changed at all.

They stated on Twitch they are monitoring this change so if the telemetry bears out that 'nobody' is starting solo or joining GIP, they'll know.

Also they responded to our wishes to emphasis Apex mission modifications in the lobby, so perhaps if we ask nicely and maturely they will add some kind of "you're about to join a GIP" indicator.

I'm pretty sure this is their grand fix for credit exploiting, but it ends up screwing a hell of a lot more people in the long run now.

Every time I joined a game on a late wave, it felt like justice for all the times the game crashed or I got dropped on a late wave. And even then it still probably wasn't enough. Really disappointed with this change

There isn't any way to know. If you join and everyone is readied up, they could be waiting for you or they could be extracting right then. You only find out when you ready up and the counter either goes down from 5 or you go into a loading screen.

I have a better idea.

As it appears now, you don't receive any extraction bonus for joining a GIP. Neither for joining during wave 7. That's the first thing to change.
Scale bonuses accordingly to match the increased difficulty of later waves. If you join at the start of wave 5 gold and manage a full extraction, you should be able
to receive e.g. at least 30 k. That's the second change. An indicator for GIP would be still nice, though

My first impression tells me that the payout for a GIP is only based on the first 6 waves, with no extraction bonus. Wave 5+6 = 33%, matches roughly my 15k credit expirience (~ 33% of 44k base payout for gold).

More data is needed, of course.

I think a lot of people are missing Kenny's post on page one (see below).

Yes, you will no longer get full credits for late joins.

BUT you now will get credits for the waves you HAVE completed when you disconnect. IMO, that easily offsets the "loss."

We hated the loss of time, credits, and consumables due to disconnects. Bioware listened, and took steps to fix that. They removed credits gained from others' play to offset.

Shitposting aside, unless people are not grasping the totality of this change, I honestly don't get the angst.

It was pretty obvious (to me at least) that this change was mainly intended for people who CTD. With some of the complaints I've seen here, it looks as though the problem for you guys is just the distribution of credits/XP per wave; rather than the mission reward change itself. Why not just post that as a question for next weeks livestream (as to whether or not rewards should be backloaded more on the latter waves)?

Erm, I wouldn't really say that offsets the loss entirely.

If you have consumables equipped and ready up into a GIP (which isn't shown anywhere currently), you still get shit and you still lose those consumables.

And honestly, I don't get NEARLY as many dc's now as when the game launched, but I get into GIPs pretty much all the damn time, since there's no way to know if they are waiting for you to ready up or they are already in progress until you click ready yourself.

By that time, it's already too late to say "aw crap, no point wasting these consumables on a group where I won't get full credits anyway", since they are lost when entering a match.

The correct fix, if they really want to keep this change, is to indicate whether a group is already in progress and what wave that group is currently on.

FWIW - I just finished a gold Apex mission on Icebreaker.

When I arrived in the lobby, I noticed the host was readied - I went ahead and readied, and once the game was loaded, the clock showed 0:00 in Wave 1, and the host hadn't moved from the spawn location yet.

My payout for completing the match (extraction) was: 41,250.

Whether the credit reduction was due to my "late" arrival or poor performance (I had a crappy match this time, and was low scorer - it happens), I dunno. It'll be interesting to gather more data.

Some APEX missions (e.g. those with combotastic) have negative credit modifiers, so this might've had nothing to do with the patch's changes.

This is probably the biggest reason to hotfix this asap.

If buying boosters becomes pointless because of reduced xp/credits for joining in progress, everyone is going to lose, including BioWare. It's not okay to sell people something then change the rules to make it a fraction as valuable after they have it.