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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Jun 10, 2017 0:32:32 GMT
He means that while the final scoreboard is missing the points from the medals, the experience total you receive at the end isn't.
In theory (ignoring the GIP issue) Experience hasn't changed, only the "scoreboard." As to why, I don't think anyone has any idea, but basically the issue is cosmetic - your character's progress isn't being effected by it.
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"Score" is next to your name and everyone else's. Does not include the points from medals, but has no effect on anything.
"Experience" is at the bottom, and includes everything (as far as we know.) Experience is what matters.
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Post by treoir on Jun 10, 2017 2:51:26 GMT
He means that while the final scoreboard is missing the points from the medals, the experience total you receive at the end isn't. In theory (ignoring the GIP issue) Experience hasn't changed, only the "scoreboard." As to why, I don't think anyone has any idea, but basically the issue is cosmetic - your character's progress isn't being effected by it. Edit: "Score" is next to your name and everyone else's. Does not include the points from medals, but has no effect on anything. "Experience" is at the bottom, and includes everything (as far as we know.) Experience is what matters. In that case, I disagree. In the screenshot, I posted just above here, for example, I have a gold extraction medal, the scoreboard says I got 601 experience, and the total at the bottom has 0 experience awarded. Mind you, I was level 20, so "character progress" was not an issue for me. But I also got 0 credits...
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Jun 10, 2017 3:03:21 GMT
He means that while the final scoreboard is missing the points from the medals, the experience total you receive at the end isn't. In theory (ignoring the GIP issue) Experience hasn't changed, only the "scoreboard." As to why, I don't think anyone has any idea, but basically the issue is cosmetic - your character's progress isn't being effected by it. Edit: "Score" is next to your name and everyone else's. Does not include the points from medals, but has no effect on anything. "Experience" is at the bottom, and includes everything (as far as we know.) Experience is what matters. In that case, I disagree. In the screenshot, I posted just above here, for example, I have a gold extraction medal, the scoreboard says I got 601 experience, and the total at the bottom has 0 experience awarded. Mind you, I was level 20, so "character progress" was not an issue for me. But I also got 0 credits... Actually, what it says is "0 experience remaining," because your character cannot progress beyond level 20. That number doesn't refer to your experience award, it refers to the remaining experience required to reach the next level. Edit: And as Kenni pointed out, you joined during Wave 7, which is currently not worth experience in GIPs (we're not sure if that's intended.)
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Post by mushroomtagger on Jun 10, 2017 3:42:20 GMT
It actually makes more sense + that's how MESMP was
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Post by Kenny Bania on Jun 10, 2017 5:00:00 GMT
The medal scores are no longer included in the final scoreboard in the lobby, even though they are displayed in-game. They final XP is however calculated correctly I am not sure I understand what you even mean? What does "final XP is however calculated correctly" mean? 601 xp in game implies you arrived late in wave 7, so you don't get anything as per the current assumed rules.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Jun 10, 2017 6:52:56 GMT
Decided to drop into another GIP for the hell of it. Arrived at the tail end of wave 2, and only got credit for 5 waves. I'd guess you need to complete a percentage of the wave to earn credits for it. There's definitely zero incentive to drop into GIPs now.
Pretty sure ME3 credits were only earned on objective waves, which seems like a much better system.
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Post by treoir on Jun 10, 2017 14:14:13 GMT
In that case, I disagree. In the screenshot, I posted just above here, for example, I have a gold extraction medal, the scoreboard says I got 601 experience, and the total at the bottom has 0 experience awarded. Mind you, I was level 20, so "character progress" was not an issue for me. But I also got 0 credits... Actually, what it says is "0 experience remaining," because your character cannot progress beyond level 20. That number doesn't refer to your experience award, it refers to the remaining experience required to reach the next level. Edit: And as Kenni pointed out, you joined during Wave 7, which is currently not worth experience in GIPs (we're not sure if that's intended.) So, I presume you are thinking the "Mission:" line is not below the scoreboard but a part of the scoreboard? ]601 xp in game implies you arrived late in wave 7, so you don't get anything as per the current assumed rules. I am not sure what "late" means, but I did spend some part of that wave waiting to be revived, and there wasn't a whole lot left to fight by the time I got back up (I zoned into a mass of enemies and they cleared them out before reviving me). I suppose it would be interesting to find where the time threshold is...
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Jun 10, 2017 14:33:53 GMT
So, I presume you are thinking the "Mission:" line is not below the scoreboard but a part of the scoreboard? No, it's below the scoreboard like I said. What Kenny and I have told you is accurate (based on current testing.) I'll try one last time. Score = The stuff at the top, next to your name. Doesn't matter, means nothing. It doesn't contain the medals but that doesn't effect anything. Experience = The list at the bottom. First is the list of rewards - your received experience is here. You received none in that screenshot because you joined too late - Extraction Wave isn't worth experience in a GIP. Next is your experience breakdown of what you received being applied to your character. This also says zero because your character is at level 20 - You don't get more experience added to your character because there are no levels to which it can be applied.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Jun 10, 2017 14:43:06 GMT
I am not sure what "late" means, but I did spend some part of that wave waiting to be revived, and there wasn't a whole lot left to fight by the time I got back up (I zoned into a mass of enemies and they cleared them out before reviving me). I suppose it would be interesting to find where the time threshold is... Late is an later than whatever the set threshold is.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Jun 10, 2017 14:51:29 GMT
Okay, I think I removed the cranky bits. I'll blame them on the disappointment I felt at having my melee combo hopes dashed.
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Post by Ares on Jun 10, 2017 15:22:25 GMT
Decided to drop into another GIP for the hell of it. Arrived at the tail end of wave 2, and only got credit for 5 waves. I'd guess you need to complete a percentage of the wave to earn credits for it. There's definitely zero incentive to drop into GIPs now. Pretty sure ME3 credits were only earned on objective waves, which seems like a much better system. Yeah me3 only objective waves gave credits. And you got more credits as you progressed, so wave 6 gave more credits than wave 3. Made a lot more sense.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Jun 10, 2017 15:41:10 GMT
Decided to drop into another GIP for the hell of it. Arrived at the tail end of wave 2, and only got credit for 5 waves. I'd guess you need to complete a percentage of the wave to earn credits for it. There's definitely zero incentive to drop into GIPs now. Pretty sure ME3 credits were only earned on objective waves, which seems like a much better system. Yeah me3 only objective waves gave credits. And you got more credits as you progressed, so wave 6 gave more credits than wave 3. Made a lot more sense. Thought so. Definitely makes more sense imo.
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Post by vomder on Jun 10, 2017 17:00:56 GMT
This is what getting into a game is like now.
Join lobby, host ready? Leave lobby. Search again, get put into same lobby. Leave again try a different search, same thing repeat. Alt-F4. Play something else.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Jun 10, 2017 17:10:54 GMT
Just had a freeze on wave 5 of Kett/Sandstorm. Looking forward to my credits. Edit - I actually froze on wave 4. After getting back into the game and leaving a couple of lobbies, I managed to get back into the same game on wave 5, and got full credits...
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Post by lennybusker on Jun 10, 2017 17:58:36 GMT
This is what getting into a game is like now. Join lobby, host ready? Leave lobby. Search again, get put into same lobby. Leave again try a different search, same thing repeat. Alt-F4. Play something else. Yup. If you're hosting a lobby, it's advised not to ready up until all slots are full, so you don't scare people off.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Jun 10, 2017 18:02:21 GMT
It is possible to quit and keep equipment, although we don't know the limitations. It may be a timer, or it may be until the end of the wave (a la ME 3.) Hopefully the former. It would make more sense to give people 1 minute regardless of wave.
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Post by Kazu on Jun 10, 2017 18:02:55 GMT
This is what getting into a game is like now. Join lobby, host ready? Leave lobby. Search again, get put into same lobby. Leave again try a different search, same thing repeat. Alt-F4. Play something else. Yup. If you're hosting a lobby, it's advised not to ready up until all slots are full, so you don't scare people off. When they can add a ping indicator, they can add an indicator if a game is already in progress.
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Post by jmac1424 on Jun 10, 2017 18:37:34 GMT
This is bullshit. Joined at beginning of W2 last night and only got 37k. Miss W1 and get fucked out of 18k? What the ever living fuck is that shit? W1 is worth 18k?
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Jun 10, 2017 18:40:37 GMT
This is bullshit. Joined at beginning of W2 last night and only got 37k. Miss W1 and get fucked out of 18k? What the ever living fuck is that shit? W1 is worth 18k? I think it's actually a case of losing 9K for wave one and 9K for wave 2. The current testing is still in the anecdotal phase, but appears to show that you consistently receive no credits for the wave you join* or wave 7 when entering a GIP. The only exception appears to be if you are rejoining a game you started with everyone else but were dropped from. In that case, you still receive full (or at least very close to full) credit for the match. * So in your case, if you had joined during wave 1, you wouldn't receive wave 1 or Wave 7 credits, but you would receive credits for every wave you were present for the start of and conclusion of, even if you disconnected during a later wave. If you join on wave two and drop on wave 6, you'll get credit for waves 3, 4 and 5. I believe. Subject to further testing and elaboration.
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Post by Kazu on Jun 10, 2017 18:44:48 GMT
This is bullshit. Joined at beginning of W2 last night and only got 37k. Miss W1 and get fucked out of 18k? What the ever living fuck is that shit? W1 is worth 18k? I think it's actually a case of losing 9K for wave one and 9K for wave 2. The current testing is still in the anecdotal phase, but appears to show that you consistently receive no credits for the wave you join or wave 7 when entering a GIP. The only exception appears to be if you are rejoining a game you started with everyone else, in which case you still receive full (or at least very close to full) credit for the match. Well I lost something around 9k for joining a game mid wave 1, so I assume that it is checked before a wave actual starts if you are there and based upon that you will get credits. Not sure if the waves become worth less and less the farther in.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Jun 10, 2017 18:48:58 GMT
I think it's actually a case of losing 9K for wave one and 9K for wave 2. The current testing is still in the anecdotal phase, but appears to show that you consistently receive no credits for the wave you join or wave 7 when entering a GIP. The only exception appears to be if you are rejoining a game you started with everyone else, in which case you still receive full (or at least very close to full) credit for the match. Well I lost something around 9k for joining a game mid wave 1, so I assume that it is checked before a wave actual starts if you are there and based upon that you will get credits. Not sure if the waves become worth less and less the farther in. So far, it appears that all waves except 7 receive equal value, which is even more terrible for the future of GIPs. Worst case scenario is landing at the beginning of Wave 6, as people are inevitably going to do without knowing about the change, and have no idea why they don't get anything for it.
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Post by jmac1424 on Jun 10, 2017 18:50:24 GMT
Thanks for clarifying the math on that. Makes more sense now, but straight bullshit. Still, came in as said W1 completed. Would not have joined, but 3 people came into lobby as I was coming in, but fucking host had already started soloing. No clue, since I was 2nd to ready up. But anyway. Do the damn formula we had in ME3
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Post by crashsuit on Jun 10, 2017 18:57:27 GMT
I still join games in progress because I don't like farting around for half an hour finding the right lobby, but I'm definitely paying a price for it. Lots of drop-in-on-wave-1, get-40-something-thousand-credits games lately. It's nice getting rewards still when I get disconnected during later waves but I hope they make further adjustments to the rewards system to make it less punishing to join games in progress.
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Post by f3rociouspanda on Jun 10, 2017 19:24:06 GMT
I just played a full Gold game with an exp IV and got dashboarded with 4 seconds left on extraction. Got no credits, no experience
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Post by JRandall0308 on Jun 10, 2017 19:25:56 GMT
There was a thread somewhere (here? reddit?) that the scoreboard is (no longer?) adding your medals, but if you add those points manually it is pretty much the same as always. Do you have any idea if that's that working as intended or a new bug after the patch? No idea! I guess bug report it if you care. (I don't.)
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