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Post by kaileena_sands on Jun 9, 2017 16:45:32 GMT
Bioware know what they are doing. It's bad but I am sure they are fully aware of it and meant it.
The main problem for me is that now that no one wants to join mid-game, if you start a game in a full team and someone DCs/drops, then it's very likely you'll have to trio/duo (lol, solo in worst case scenario). Which is harder, takes more time *and* more resources. So even if you start in a full team and play the full waves, you're still losing on credits (through the more time/resources used).
GG, Biower.
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Post by Transcended One on Jun 9, 2017 16:52:17 GMT
I can see where this is going to now. An idea which probably sounds good on paper, but for some reason they messed up badly...
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Post by lennybusker on Jun 9, 2017 16:54:03 GMT
Bioware know what they are doing. It's bad but I am sure they are fully aware of it and meant it. The main problem for me is that now that no one wants to join mid-game, if you start a game in a full team and someone DCs/drops, then it's very likely you'll have to trio/duo (lol, solo in worst case scenario). Which is harder, takes more time *and* more resources. So even if you start in a full team and play the full waves, you're still losing on credits (through the more time/resources used). GG, Biower. Not to mention you lose out on XP as well.
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Post by treoir on Jun 9, 2017 17:10:04 GMT
I disagree.
You are *not* awarded based on waves you actually complete.
I joined a mission, and landed in during wave 7. I got 0 xp, and 0 credits. Mind you, I also got lag killed and revived, and was fighting pretty much constantly other than that during the time I was there.
So it looks like you get no credit whatsoever for a partial wave, even if you complete it.
Instead, I believe you are currently awarded only based on waves where you are there for the start of the wave.
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Post by poultrymancer on Jun 9, 2017 17:23:57 GMT
so yeah i did 2 full gold matches and only had 98k instead of 100k which i would have had before the patch i am really starting to get mad at bioware because i want arsenal packs but i have to do 3 matches to get what 2 would before and i have to rely on getting randoms that actually aren't morons because i don't have very many friends that play the multiplayer Hit me up sometime. We haven't played together in probably 3-4 years, but you're still on my friends list from playing 3 (I had a different name then). I've got 6-7 friends I play with regularly, so I've almost always got at least two people online. We 3-man Golds about as often as we fill out the team with a PUG, so we often have room. Consider this an open invitation to join if you see me in a party with fewer than 4. Would've invited you when I've seen you on, but didn't know if you'd care to join since it's been so long.
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Post by Transcended One on Jun 9, 2017 17:28:18 GMT
Instead, I believe you are currently awarded only based on waves where you are there for the start of the wave. This kind of makes sense, since the game 'saves' and keeps track between waves, and probably also at the start of wave one. So people joining in on wave 1 only get tracked at the beginning of wave 2, but it seems a bit unfair to me to cut 11K from peoples "earnings" if they remain with the team for 95% of the match, since wave 1 is always easy-peasy (yet some people find it necessary to die on wave 1). On the plus-side, it should be an easy server-side fix, when if BW finds out about this unfairness...
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Post by poultrymancer on Jun 9, 2017 17:32:09 GMT
I would have no problem with this if there were a clear indication that you are about to join a GIP. With so many people saying this, I wouldn't be surprised to see an indicator added in the next patch. As much as we (the community, not directed at you) complain about boneheaded design decisions -- and yes, many have been warranted -- they've actually been proactive in addressing a number recurring player complaints. E.g. in this patch they addressed among other things the complaints about ARs sucking and krogan feeling indistinguishable from other races. I'd recommend making this suggestion in one of the upcoming Twitch feeds. The more direct, concise, and polite you are, the more likely you'll be heard.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Jun 9, 2017 17:36:44 GMT
I disagree. You are *not* awarded based on waves you actually complete. I joined a mission, and landed in during wave 7. I got 0 xp, and 0 credits. Mind you, I also got lag killed and revived, and was fighting pretty much constantly other than that during the time I was there. So it looks like you get no credit whatsoever for a partial wave, even if you complete it. Instead, I believe you are currently awarded only based on waves where you are there for the start of the wave. I may have been ninja'd but it appears that Wave 7 is never worth credits if you join in progress, not even if you join in wave 1. I'm not sure if it is the same for experience, but I have been assuming that it is. Essentially, joining in wave 7 is a complete write-off, because you will lose boosters but gain nothing. It appears that you can quit, at least if you do it quickly enough, and keep your boosters. Which unfortunately means that is exactly what people will do when they figure out how bad this is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 17:40:49 GMT
Bioware know what they are doing. It's bad but I am sure they are fully aware of it and meant it. As in, players aren't spending enough real money on MEAMP, so we need to make it harder for them to earn anything by simply playing. Those who don't simply quit in frustration will start spending more money, right? Indeed.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Jun 9, 2017 17:47:02 GMT
Just joined a game in progress in the middle of wave 1 and got the full 55k. *Shrug*
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Post by angrybobh on Jun 9, 2017 18:34:27 GMT
Just joined a game in progress in the middle of wave 1 and got the full 55k. *Shrug* Thats inconsistent with what some people, myself included, have been seeing. It's not surprising in the least. Inconsistencies seem to be the norm. Reading through this thread, I asked the question "what happens when host migrates?" to myself. If I were a betting man I'd put my money on losing credit for all previous waves. It could be fine though. As they say, even a blind hog finds an acorn occasionally.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Jun 9, 2017 18:57:16 GMT
Just joined a game in progress in the middle of wave 1 and got the full 55k. *Shrug* Thats inconsistent with what some people, myself included, have been seeing. It's not surprising in the least. Inconsistencies seem to be the norm. Reading through this thread, I asked the question "what happens when host migrates?" to myself. If I were a betting man I'd put my money on losing credit for all previous waves. It could be fine though. As they say, even a blind hog finds an acorn occasionally. Lord knows how it works. I have been through host migrations, and lost nothing thankfully.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 19:20:04 GMT
Just joined a game in progress in the middle of wave 1 and got the full 55k. *Shrug* I joined one that was 1:15 into the first wave and cleared ~ 10 seconds later. With full extraction, my payout was 47,142, which is 6/7 of 55K. At least that calculation makes sense.
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Post by Scathane on Jun 9, 2017 19:37:39 GMT
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Post by JRandall0308 on Jun 9, 2017 19:38:32 GMT
A lot of times my connection is so laggy that by the time I spawn in, EVEN FROM A FULL LOBBY OF FRIENDS (not a PUG/GIP), enemies are already shooting at me. I wonder if this is going to count as "not there for all of Wave 1" and bogart my credits?
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Post by hanskey on Jun 9, 2017 20:15:08 GMT
Has anyone else noticed that end-game scores are down across the board? Seems like a large score nerf was added.
We crunked a Gold R/R last night in 11 minutes and I don't think anyone scored over 20K, even though normally same peeps score closer to 30K.
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Post by JRandall0308 on Jun 9, 2017 20:42:49 GMT
There was a thread somewhere (here? reddit?) that the scoreboard is (no longer?) adding your medals, but if you add those points manually it is pretty much the same as always.
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Post by gethadept on Jun 9, 2017 20:45:27 GMT
Has anyone else noticed that end-game scores are down across the board? Seems like a large score nerf was added. We crunked a Gold R/R last night in 11 minutes and I don't think anyone scored over 20K, even though normally same peeps score closer to 30K. I noticed this too. Score seemed its down about 15% or so overall.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 20:47:08 GMT
Has anyone else noticed that end-game scores are down across the board? Seems like a large score nerf was added. We crunked a Gold R/R last night in 11 minutes and I don't think anyone scored over 20K, even though normally same peeps score closer to 30K. I've also noticed that scores at the end of the game seem to be quite a bit lower than they were pre-patch. It's... odd.
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Post by hanskey on Jun 9, 2017 20:55:46 GMT
There was a thread somewhere (here? reddit?) that the scoreboard is (no longer?) adding your medals, but if you add those points manually it is pretty much the same as always. OOOOOOOOeeeeeeeewwwwwwhhhh Bet that's mostly it.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Jun 9, 2017 21:12:05 GMT
Has anyone else noticed that end-game scores are down across the board? Seems like a large score nerf was added. We crunked a Gold R/R last night in 11 minutes and I don't think anyone scored over 20K, even though normally same peeps score closer to 30K. The medal scores are no longer included in the final scoreboard in the lobby, even though they are displayed in-game. They final XP is however calculated correctly. Edit - Waited too long to reply, and was obviously ninja'd
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Post by JRandall0308 on Jun 9, 2017 21:23:00 GMT
Edit - Waited too long to reply, and was obviously ninja'dI don't think it's a ninja if it's obvious.
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Post by varicite on Jun 9, 2017 21:25:34 GMT
Bioware know what they are doing. It's bad but I am sure they are fully aware of it and meant it. The main problem for me is that now that no one wants to join mid-game, if you start a game in a full team and someone DCs/drops, then it's very likely you'll have to trio/duo (lol, solo in worst case scenario). Which is harder, takes more time *and* more resources. So even if you start in a full team and play the full waves, you're still losing on credits (through the more time/resources used). GG, Biower. Heh, the only time I could see all 3 of your teammates dropping out is if you are hosting on a shitty connection. Maybe this will help to make those people quit trying to host games after they go through enough full-team dropouts and have to solo everything, lol. ...i'm only half serious.
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Post by kaileena_sands on Jun 9, 2017 23:49:19 GMT
There was a thread somewhere (here? reddit?) that the scoreboard is (no longer?) adding your medals, but if you add those points manually it is pretty much the same as always. Do you have any idea if that's that working as intended or a new bug after the patch? Because they have always added points since ancient ME3 times and they each have certain points assigned to them so seems quite stupid to remove them out of the blue.
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Post by treoir on Jun 10, 2017 0:14:30 GMT
The medal scores are no longer included in the final scoreboard in the lobby, even though they are displayed in-game. They final XP is however calculated correctly I am not sure I understand what you even mean? What does "final XP is however calculated correctly" mean?
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