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Post by JRandall0308 on Jul 25, 2017 14:51:31 GMT
Since game release, my drops of all rarities have been weighted for kits vs guns, and for guns vs mods. This is common knowledge, although we've never had any hard data around it. Very easy to observe with a fresh manifest spamming Basics and Advanced packs. (Well, it *was* easy to observe, before the lootsplosion.) You would absolutely get ranks in the order characters, weapons, mods.
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Post by jadedragonmtr on Jul 25, 2017 15:09:22 GMT
Since game release, my drops of all rarities have been weighted for kits vs guns, and for guns vs mods. This is common knowledge, although we've never had any hard data around it. Very easy to observe with a fresh manifest spamming Basics and Advanced packs. (Well, it *was* easy to observe, before the lootsplosion.) You would absolutely get ranks in the order characters, weapons, mods. yes, the order seems pretty clear in none UR collections. But it's not very clear to me in the UR drops. My highest UR weapon rank is VIII while highest kit is VII. Hence the wondering.
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Post by rlro on Jul 25, 2017 15:22:28 GMT
This is common knowledge, although we've never had any hard data around it. Very easy to observe with a fresh manifest spamming Basics and Advanced packs. (Well, it *was* easy to observe, before the lootsplosion.) You would absolutely get ranks in the order characters, weapons, mods. yes, the order seems pretty clear in none UR collections. But it's not very clear to me in the UR drops. My highest UR weapon rank is VIII while highest kit is VII. Hence the wondering. From my experience, Premium packs were balanced based on the number of UR weapons and characters at launch. It means they tend to drop more UR weapons than characters, in order to keep them roughly at the same level (i.e. you had a chance around 6/19 of getting a UR character in a Premium pack vs 13/19 of a weapon). I don't know if Bioware changed that percentage lately, but I'd say most likely not.
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Post by crashsuit on Jul 25, 2017 16:03:48 GMT
Not sure what else to say then, but Premium packs definitely leaned towards unlocking kits vs guns in my recent pack run. Not a small run either, I'm talking like 500 Premium packs, so very unlikely to be an effect of randomness. To me this says unlocks are still weighted towards kits, esp. considering the limited number of possible UR kit drops vs. the very large number of UR gun drops I could've gotten instead.
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Post by JRandall0308 on Jul 25, 2017 16:09:01 GMT
crashsuit if you can post a summary like "I opened 500 Premiums and got 125 URs of which 75 were characters and 50 were weapons" I am just going to take your word for it. I am too busy / lazy to view videos for all but the most extreme claims. (Like if we get another yo-yo claiming to debunk the pity RNG, I'd view video of that.)
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Post by crashsuit on Jul 25, 2017 16:13:18 GMT
crashsuit if you can post a summary like "I opened 500 Premiums and got 125 URs of which 75 were characters and 50 were weapons" I am just going to take your word for it. I am too busy / lazy to view videos for all but the most extreme claims. (Like if we get another yo-yo claiming to debunk the pity RNG, I'd view video of that.) I only wrote down UR vs no UR for my last 1000 Premium packs, but when I get the chance (hopefully later today) I'll go through and note kit vs weapon numbers.
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Post by crashsuit on Jul 25, 2017 18:24:18 GMT
I went back through the first few hundred packs from this recorded run, and with the 57 UR cards it took to max my characters, I got about 30 UR gun cards, so UR characters dropped almost twice as often as UR guns for me. Also per jadedragonmtr the UR kits will probably tend to max faster than any UR guns because there's so many fewer of them compared to guns. I kind of want to go back through my previously posted videos to see what the kit/gun weighting is for other rarities but right now I'm sick of opening/recording/counting packs.
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Post by JRandall0308 on Jul 25, 2017 18:28:03 GMT
We need a statistician to tell us: given C characters and W weapons, if the drop rates were the same but W >> C (there are many more weapons than characters), what is the expectation?
Alternatively at what point would the drop rate for C have to be boosted above W (still W >> C) before we would notice it?
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Post by crashsuit on Jul 25, 2017 18:39:16 GMT
We need a statistician to tell us: given C characters and W weapons, if the drop rates were the same but W >> C (there are many more weapons than characters), what is the expectation? Alternatively at what point would the drop rate for C have to be boosted above W (still W >> C) before we would notice it? Seems like pretty simple math to me, assuming individual cards have the same weight, drop rate for any C would be C/(C+W) and drop rate for any W would be W/(C+W). Considering how many more UR gun cards there are than UR kit cards, though, and that I got more UR kits than UR guns, that says to me that UR kits are heavily weighted over UR guns, at least in Premium packs. Videos for first 1000 recorded Premium packs are uploading now by the way, gonna take a while but I should have links to post before I leave work today.
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Post by JRandall0308 on Jul 25, 2017 18:48:42 GMT
I guess what I am asking is, given all these different assumptions about quantity and weighting, after opening 1,000 packs what should I *expect* to see? vs. what we actually observed.
Raise your hand if you believe actual drop rates match Bioware's intended drops.
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Post by bergraven on Jul 25, 2017 19:12:55 GMT
I went back through the first few hundred packs from this recorded run, and with the 57 UR cards it took to max my characters, I got about 30 UR gun cards, so UR characters dropped almost twice as often as UR guns for me. Also per jadedragonmtr the UR kits will probably tend to max faster than any UR guns because there's so many fewer of them compared to guns. I kind of want to go back through my previously posted videos to see what the kit/gun weighting is for other rarities but right now I'm sick of opening/recording/counting packs. It's anecdotal, admittedly, but I've not seen much particular weighting towards kits vs weapons in reserves packs, for gold cards. I've been buying reserves exclusively for some time, as IMO maxed chars > extra ranks of guns, esp. given the lootsplosion. But I've been getting lots of weapons, regardless, ie probably as many as kit cards. I'd love it if reserve/arsenal packs exclusively dropped their respective expected card types if you still have gold cards to get, because I'm actually fed up of getting weapons instead of kit cards all the time. At least a heavier weighting would be lovely.
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Post by crashsuit on Jul 25, 2017 19:30:31 GMT
I went back through the first few hundred packs from this recorded run, and with the 57 UR cards it took to max my characters, I got about 30 UR gun cards, so UR characters dropped almost twice as often as UR guns for me. Also per jadedragonmtr the UR kits will probably tend to max faster than any UR guns because there's so many fewer of them compared to guns. I kind of want to go back through my previously posted videos to see what the kit/gun weighting is for other rarities but right now I'm sick of opening/recording/counting packs. It's anecdotal, admittedly, but I've not seen much particular weighting towards kits vs weapons in reserves packs, for gold cards. I've been buying reserves exclusively for some time, as IMO maxed chars > extra ranks of guns, esp. given the lootsplosion. But I've been getting lots of weapons, regardless, ie probably as many as kit cards. I'd love it if reserve/arsenal packs exclusively dropped their respective expected card types if you still have gold cards to get, because I'm actually fed up of getting weapons instead of kit cards all the time. At least a heavier weighting would be lovely. If you can, try getting some video or screenshots next time, you could help us work out some of that stuff. I just went through the first of the videos I'm uploading so I could count gold drops in Premium packs, and I found that during the same time it took me to get the 38 gold character cards I needed to max my gold characters, only 23 or 24 gold gun cards dropped.
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Post by jadedragonmtr on Jul 25, 2017 20:16:06 GMT
You need screen or vid to make sure of accuracy? I wrote down my last 60 premium pack openings but I didn't record vids or screens. I'm certain of the data.
Starting point: (these are only URs, didn't record lower tiered stuff in the packs) Characters cards needed to unlock: 30 basic levels + 60 additional levels Weapon card needed to unlock: 105 basic levels + 480 variants
Total premium packs bought: 60 The rundown of packs contained URs: #8 #10 #15 #20 #25 #27*2 #29 #34 #48
Of the UR cards, 4 were characters and 6 weapons. During this period, I got 2 more character cards outside the premium packs, one I bought with my MFs and one came in apex elite pack. So now they're even.
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Post by crashsuit on Jul 25, 2017 20:21:01 GMT
You need screen or vid to make sure of accuracy? I write down my last 60 premium pack openings but I didn't record vids or screens. I'm certain of the data. Well, it's sort of like what JRandall0308 says. We can all pretty much trust each other here, but if anyone questions anything, it doesn't hurt to have hard evidence for backup.
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Post by crashsuit on Jul 25, 2017 20:31:49 GMT
First 1000 Premium pack videos up. Let me know if there are any issues with any of them. Disclaimer: A couple times I lost connection during runs of 100, and I think I lined the runs back up correctly, but the broken runs may be off in count by a pack. 0001 - 0100 0101 - 0200 0201 - 0259 (lost connection) 0260 - 0300 0301 - 0362 (lost connection) 0363 - 0400 0401 - 0500 0504 - 0600 (missed recording 3 packs at the beginning, but no URs in them) 0602 - 0700 (missed recording 1 pack at the beginning, but no UR in it) 0701 - 0800 0801 - 0900 0901 - 0989 (lost connection) 0990 - 1000
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Post by jadedragonmtr on Jul 25, 2017 20:56:21 GMT
You need screen or vid to make sure of accuracy? I write down my last 60 premium pack openings but I didn't record vids or screens. I'm certain of the data. Well, it's sort of like what JRandall0308 says. We can all pretty much trust each other here, but if anyone questions anything, it doesn't hurt to have hard evidence for backup. I see. Thanks for explaining it. I've always wondered why. Lol I'm tracking these for myself- hope it'll help me decide which UR packs are better to buy for my needs. Don't plan on proving or disbuting anything. 😀
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Post by treoir on Jul 25, 2017 23:24:02 GMT
Hypothesis: buying the "item" packs biases future pack drops towards that item.
(Sadly, I did not keep careful track, but this seems to have been the case for me.)
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Post by JRandall0308 on Jul 25, 2017 23:28:07 GMT
Hypothesis: buying the "item" packs biases future pack drops towards that item. (Sadly, I did not keep careful track, but this seems to have been the case for me.) At least according to Bastiaan it does not. I will dig up the quotes at some point.
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Post by rtrnofdmax on Jul 25, 2017 23:49:28 GMT
I went back through the first few hundred packs from this recorded run, and with the 57 UR cards it took to max my characters, I got about 30 UR gun cards, so UR characters dropped almost twice as often as UR guns for me. Also per jadedragonmtr the UR kits will probably tend to max faster than any UR guns because there's so many fewer of them compared to guns. I kind of want to go back through my previously posted videos to see what the kit/gun weighting is for other rarities but right now I'm sick of opening/recording/counting packs. It's anecdotal, admittedly, but I've not seen much particular weighting towards kits vs weapons in reserves packs, for gold cards. I've been buying reserves exclusively for some time, as IMO maxed chars > extra ranks of guns, esp. given the lootsplosion. But I've been getting lots of weapons, regardless, ie probably as many as kit cards. I'd love it if reserve/arsenal packs exclusively dropped their respective expected card types if you still have gold cards to get, because I'm actually fed up of getting weapons instead of kit cards all the time. At least a heavier weighting would be lovely. Equally anecdotal, I got mostly characters, as I desired. I have all 80 new Rare character cards and 40 Rare Variant weapon cards from just Reserve packs since 1.09 dropped. I've also purchased probably 8 or so Reserve packs since I maxed out my Rare characters, in which I now receive weapons instead of characters, which further skews the numbers above in favor of characters. I did have all non-variant, rare weapons and characters before 1.09, so I didn't have a fair chunk of the Rare weapons in my loot pool remaining.
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Post by crashsuit on Jul 26, 2017 6:19:51 GMT
Opened another 500 Premium packs tonight, got another 128 UR drops. Combined with the 258 UR drops from the previous 1000 packs, that's 386/1500 = ~25.7% UR drop rate. I'll upload the videos tomorrow during the day, and then tomorrow night I'll open another 500 or 600 Premium packs, and then hopefully I'll be done. Holy crap though I'm so sick of opening packs right now.
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Post by Transcended One on Jul 26, 2017 6:55:25 GMT
Opened another 500 Premium packs tonight, got another 128 UR drops. Combined with the 258 UR drops from the previous 1000 packs, that's 386/1500 = ~25.7% UR drop rate. I'll upload the videos tomorrow during the day, and then tomorrow night I'll open another 500 or 600 Premium packs, and then hopefully I'll be done. Holy crap though I'm so sick of opening packs right now.That's why you should open them just a few at a time occasionally instead of hoarding them for months.
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Post by JRandall0308 on Jul 26, 2017 12:42:31 GMT
That's why you should open them just a few at a time occasionally instead of hoarding them for months.
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Post by jadedragonmtr on Jul 26, 2017 17:10:58 GMT
That's why you should open them just a few at a time occasionally instead of hoarding them for months. I honestly admire your ability of finding the perfect animgif for the occasion.
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Post by JRandall0308 on Jul 26, 2017 17:46:54 GMT
Muttley is the perfect GIF for all occasions.
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Post by crashsuit on Jul 26, 2017 23:25:45 GMT
Videos for Premium packs 1001 through 1500. Should finish opening the rest later tonight and then I'll be done until they add another kit, two guns, ten ranks, and five colors, or whatever. Disclaimer: Didn't bother flipping any over, easier and faster to tally this way, plus they're all guns anyway. Sorry to anyone hoping to datamine anything out of these videos other than UR drop rates. 1001-1100 1101-1200 1201-1252 (lost connection after pack 1252) 1253-1300 1301-1400 1401-1500
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