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Post by colfoley on Nov 19, 2017 21:07:08 GMT
Because Hawke and the Inquisitor are, at least in my experience, probably the two best Role Playing protagonists around. The ones you get the most control over their characters and their character arcs. My Ryder was able to lay into Peebee, I'm unsure why yours wasn't. And my Ryder had moments where he was all business. Again unsure why yours wasn't. And my Ryder took the Kett dead seriously. Other then the one moment where he mocked the one ruler on Eos, but then by the time I got their with Robert he also did similar things to Sloan, and would later on do the same thing to the Krogan Warlord on Eladaan. My Ryder couldn't be more than mildly disapproving of Peebee "You owe me a new escape pod" simply doesn't cut it. My Ryder was P*SSED at her antics. And My Ryder sounded like the illicit love child of a cheesy action hero and Mal Reynolds. Fine for some playthroughs, but I'd like a little more variety. so was mine but at.least you can have the choice on whether you approve or not unlike most games. Even a few RPGs.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 19, 2017 21:12:09 GMT
My Ryder couldn't be more than mildly disapproving of Peebee "You owe me a new escape pod" simply doesn't cut it. My Ryder was P*SSED at her antics. And My Ryder sounded like the illicit love child of a cheesy action hero and Mal Reynolds. Fine for some playthroughs, but I'd like a little more variety. so was mine but at.least you can have the choice on whether you approve or not unlike most games. Even a few RPGs. "Better than a complete action shooter" is not exactly a vote of confidence.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 19, 2017 21:22:31 GMT
so was mine but at.least you can have the choice on whether you approve or not unlike most games. Even a few RPGs. "Better than a complete action shooter" is not exactly a vote of confidence. to clarify its better than all but two RPGs I've played. and to make another point...something I've forgotten about...my Ryder showed his displeasure with Pee bee by murdering her girlfriend.
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Post by abaris on Nov 19, 2017 21:25:18 GMT
to clarify its better than all but two RPGs I've played. and to make another point...something I've forgotten about... my Ryder showed his displeasure with Pee bee by murdering her girlfriend. Which is nothing but a shrug moment for Peebee. Totally inconsequential, like so many things in this game.
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Post by river82 on Nov 19, 2017 21:26:21 GMT
my Ryder showed his displeasure with Pee bee by murdering her girlfriend. Not a dialogue option! >:c
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Post by colfoley on Nov 19, 2017 21:26:37 GMT
to clarify its better than all but two RPGs I've played. and to make another point...something I've forgotten about... my Ryder showed his displeasure with Pee bee by murdering her girlfriend. Which is nothing but a shrug moment for Peebee. Totally inconsequential, like so many things in this game. where's that coming from? Pee bee in my game took that hard. Listless, dejected etc.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 19, 2017 21:30:04 GMT
my Ryder showed his displeasure with Pee bee by murdering her girlfriend. Not a dialogue option! >:c so? Ryders motivations are entirely up to us. Bioware gives us options. Why we choose those options is up to us. And while it might give people some satisfaction to tell that to Peebee my Ryder is not an idiot. Anyways ultimately it is one of the reasons he pulled the trigger.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 19, 2017 21:48:37 GMT
My Ryder was able to lay into Peebee, I'm unsure why yours wasn't. Really? Saying mad is the smallest word for what I am and saying she has to buy a new escape pod is not laying into the stowaway. She needs to understand that not everyone will put up with her nonsense, but for some reason, Ryder can't get in her face and let her know. The same with what happened on Eos. Where was the option to lay into her, as you say, for knocking Ryder to the ground? As I posted before. I would have left the asari on the planet. My Shepard would have thrown the thing into the lava. My Ryder would turn her over to Nexus security to explain why she thought it would be a good idea to use Initiative property for her personal use while putting the pathfinder and the other squadmate in danger as well as the crew of the tempest.
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Post by Monica21 on Nov 19, 2017 22:43:58 GMT
"Better than a complete action shooter" is not exactly a vote of confidence. It's not, but most games with an RPG label on them don't even bother with that. I gave up on Bethesda when I was playing Oblivion and some text splashed across the screen at some house with a bunch of female thieves and the text told me how my character felt. Not to mention the cluster that was the end of the Dark Brotherhood quest line. I didn't get to lay into Peebee as much as I would have liked, nor did I get to lay into Liam as much as I would have liked. Those are small moments that are only mildly distracting from what I consider an otherwise very good game.
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Post by HYR on Nov 20, 2017 17:42:11 GMT
On paper, yes, you have four distinct dialogue options: professional, casual, logical, or emotional.
Tonally, though, the difference between those dialogue responses are pretty minuscule from each other. They all sound pretty much the same. At times, the lines do not even seem to fit their label. I got to Aya yesterday, and picked the "professional" option back on the ship, and it sounded more like what I'd expect of a "casual" response. =?
And there is a lot of auto-dialogue that consists of more than just natural conversation-movement or progression of the scene. Lines like "Would we be treating [the kett] any differently if they showed up on earth armed to the teeth?" define Ryder's character in a pretty significant way without our input.
Is it better than what other RPGs do? Sure, I guess, but not better than what we know of previous BioWare works.
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Post by clips7 on Nov 21, 2017 8:06:22 GMT
Because Hawke and the Inquisitor are, at least in my experience, probably the two best Role Playing protagonists around. The ones you get the most control over their characters and their character arcs. My Ryder was able to lay into Peebee, I'm unsure why yours wasn't. And my Ryder had moments where he was all business. Again unsure why yours wasn't. And my Ryder took the Kett dead seriously. Other then the one moment where he mocked the one ruler on Eos, but then by the time I got their with Robert he also did similar things to Sloan, and would later on do the same thing to the Krogan Warlord on Eladaan. My Ryder couldn't be more than mildly disapproving of Peebee "You owe me a new escape pod" simply doesn't cut it. My Ryder was P*SSED at her antics. And My Ryder sounded like the illicit love child of a cheesy action hero and Mal Reynolds. Fine for some playthroughs, but I'd like a little more variety. Ahhh.....yes. It's why Shepard was such a badass!....Ryder was as soft as wet tissue....Peebee should have been severely punished for her antics....listen to Shepard in this clip...he owns this journey and he makes it clear this is HIS mission.....renegade vid here, but still..you get the idea.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 24, 2017 4:54:33 GMT
ME2 is primarily remembered for its combat? And those "many" specifically liked the fact that they have copied another developer? So, you are championing even further the uniformity among all game titles. (Shrug) No, I am not championing anything. I am only countering what you said earlier about it not making sense when developers imitate other developers. I countered your argument by bringing up the fact that ME2 which is seen as the most popular ME title, actually imitated the combat style from Gears of War. At the end of the day, ME2 was still Mass Effect and still a Bioware-style title despite the fact that they took ideas/concepts from other games. Horizon: Zero Dawn and Witcher 3 have both raised the bar for non-JRPG games. Both of those games were financial successes. If Bioware wants future ME titles to be financial successes, they cannot continue to go about things the way they currently do. Truer words were never said.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Nov 24, 2017 5:11:08 GMT
My Ryder couldn't be more than mildly disapproving of Peebee "You owe me a new escape pod" simply doesn't cut it. My Ryder was P*SSED at her antics. And My Ryder sounded like the illicit love child of a cheesy action hero and Mal Reynolds. Fine for some playthroughs, but I'd like a little more variety. Ahhh.....yes. It's why Shepard was such a badass!....Ryder was as soft as wet tissue....Peebee should have been severely punished for her antics....listen to Shepard in this clip...he owns this journey and he makes it clear this is HIS mission.....renegade vid here, but still..you get the idea. I wish people (including Bioware) Would understand that it's possible to have moments like this without having the restrictions of the paragon renegade system. I should be able to kick some idiots ass and not hinder my gameplay.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 7:28:34 GMT
Ahhh.....yes. It's why Shepard was such a badass!....Ryder was as soft as wet tissue....Peebee should have been severely punished for her antics....listen to Shepard in this clip...he owns this journey and he makes it clear this is HIS mission.....renegade vid here, but still..you get the idea. I wish people (including Bioware) Would understand that it's possible to have moments like this without having the restrictions of the paragon renegade system. I should be able to kick some idiots ass and not hinder my gameplay. Although, a renegade interrupt to push Liam out of the airlock during his LM would have been priceless. "Buh-Bye Liam, go meet your car halfway."
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Post by themikefest on Nov 24, 2017 15:37:38 GMT
Although, a renegade interrupt to push Liam out of the airlock during his LM would have been priceless. I would also add an option to leave the stowaway on the planet. As the shuttle leaves, an interrupt appears letting Ryder flip the bird at the stowaway.
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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 24, 2017 20:01:21 GMT
My Ryder couldn't be more than mildly disapproving of Peebee "You owe me a new escape pod" simply doesn't cut it. My Ryder was P*SSED at her antics. And My Ryder sounded like the illicit love child of a cheesy action hero and Mal Reynolds. Fine for some playthroughs, but I'd like a little more variety. Ahhh.....yes. It's why Shepard was such a badass!....Ryder was as soft as wet tissue....Peebee should have been severely punished for her antics....listen to Shepard in this clip...he owns this journey and he makes it clear this is HIS mission.....renegade vid here, but still..you get the idea. Not just Ryder, but the IQ as well.
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Post by goishen on Nov 25, 2017 3:32:55 GMT
A guy who used to come into my stream a lot said to me once, "Paragon Shepard can talk her way out of anything. Renegade Shepard is a dick, and takes what she wants."
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 25, 2017 3:59:37 GMT
I'd have no problem being able to severely punish followers, but only if I can get a proper reaction from other followers/NPC's as well. Not being able to react more strongly to situations I find aggravating may be frustrating, but it can also be frustrating to be able to go full tilt Punisher on people and have no one around me seriously question whether or not they want to be there, or feebly protest for a moment then later forget like anything happened at all.
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