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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 18:01:35 GMT
I just wish someone at EA or Bioware would tell us whether or not there will be any SP DLC. Surely they know by now?!? What I think they are doing is not letting some clickbait articles that were so inaccurate they needed to be corrected a bunch of times dictate their actions. Frankly I commend them for that. Because if one starts the equivalent of a pandemic and they respond then they always have to respond because more will do the same. That is not an effective way to run a business which may not seem smart to some but it's akin to always putting out fires and in this case, fires that really aren't fires but just meant to rile people because in the end, when they release the DLC people will still by it. It's kind of like stressing out and worrying about something when you already know it's going to work out the way you want. They already know they are going to sell DLC and people will buy it. Now what I think they might be doing is realizing that the more this guy or kotoku or anyone in general talks about no DLC for MEA, the more it helps them sell it? Why? Free advertising for one. Two - When they announce it the backlash against those that said no DLC will be huge. Fans will lose trust in them which is far better than correcting them now because there will be so much more momentum to let that person who says or implies no DLC bury themselves under a long rolling avalanche than to clear it up right off, and three - more money. Takeaway mentality. People who maybe would have bought the DLC but heard their might be none might actually be more interested in buying it if it seemed like there wasn't going to be any DLC and surprise! There is DLC. On the fence people will be swung by that factor. Not all, but enough to boost their sales.
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Post by brandoftime on Jun 11, 2017 18:02:27 GMT
It comes across that he definitely wants us to buy his book, referring to Inquisition's developments cycle and how all the details are in his book.That's what it seems like on reading the report and the follow up interview in which he clarifies his points. He's gotta keep the hype train going for another few months, though. The book is 4 months away and who will remember him by then? So I'm just dying to preorder and wait all those months to find out the real truth
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Post by suikoden on Jun 11, 2017 18:04:10 GMT
I just wish someone at EA or Bioware would tell us whether or not there will be any SP DLC. Surely they know by now?!? If they say "no" people will stop paying for multiplayer DLC and lose interest. That would also have a negative effect on perceptions of Dylan. Just keep on playing/paying those Apex missions!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 18:04:24 GMT
Great! more bad news, like we don't have enough already
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Post by suikoden on Jun 11, 2017 18:08:20 GMT
I speculate that Trump will not get elected. All the signs point to it. If I'm reading some articles, like the Huffington Post, Trump is already impeached. The truth is: I can speculate and get a lot of things right. I can have 100 anonymous sources that are involved with the government (and I know many, many, many people that are drones) all saying the same thing. Unless I have a complete reference, it's all questionable. I still haven't read anything on LinkedIn or Glassdoor regarding the layoffs that were reported on. That is something I am deeply interested in because of personal reasons. From what I've heard (and it's all speculation as well) the dead weight is gone, people re-assigned to fulfill EA's schedule (that's the bottom line) and things are moving forward. People that want the demise of something have an agenda. I want improvement, not wholesale destruction, because my last investment was bad. That's it. Up to EA's acquisition, every investment paid off in bunches. After EA, it's been a real tough getting value back. Sometimes it's easy, sometimes it isn't. Also, we're short-changing the lower-level folk. They're freaking smart and they're the ones holding the line (Captain Kirahe would be proud). I'm confident that we'll get DLC because history, if it means anything, says I'm right. I would just love to know what Cora-related stuff her actress was doing in May if there's no DLC. Probably dealt with her love for Alec Ryder and some new necrophilia romance options.
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Post by abaris on Jun 11, 2017 18:08:20 GMT
If they say "no" people will stop paying for multiplayer DLC and lose interest. That would also have a negative effect on perceptions of Dylan. Just keep on playing/paying those Apex missions! They usually fork out these multiplayer DLCs for free. Microtransactions take care of the rest. And the unfair balance system that more or less forces you into microtransactions if you want to be competitive. That's the general rule with all of these games, not only Bioware's or EA's. Rockstar's just the same.
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Post by llandwynwyn on Jun 11, 2017 18:10:03 GMT
This is all depressing.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jun 11, 2017 18:11:23 GMT
I just wish someone at EA or Bioware would tell us whether or not there will be any SP DLC. Surely they know by now?!? What I think they are doing is not letting some clickbait articles that were so inaccurate they needed to be corrected a bunch of times dictate their actions. Frankly I commend them for that. Are you kidding me ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 18:12:51 GMT
Fuck this guy and his lies. EDIT: he is clearly covering his ass for sales of his book. If a big chunk of people see him as self serving, self promoting and inaccurate or dramatizing and lying his book will not sell. Know what else? That whole story about MEA that he wrote? Was from his fucking book to sell his book. So I reiterate. Fuck this guy. His agenda couldn't be more clear if it was written in all caps, bold face type saying 'I'm here to sell my book and clear my name because I can't sell my book until people believe my 'sources say' stuff.' Also: Read my story then buy my book. God, fuck this guy. The MEA scoop is not covered in his book. That book has long been off to the printers and will be published in September iirc. His regular gig is at Kotaku, though. So according to your crazypants logic, because he has a book coming, he should not write for Kotaku in the meantime? Anything he writes during his regular job is there only to sell his upcoming book? This is just silly. He should write whatever he wants but he is pimping this story for his book. When I read the comments for that article it was all about his book that people were going to buy his book and him talking to them about it. He used this article to drum up business for his book by saying (at the time which he could have edited by now) that there were stories like this in his book. The whole article was essentially an advertisement for his book. Thus, my point is be honest about what you are doing and why. His motivation was quite clear at the time. 'Buy my book. Here's a kind of teaser to what my book is like.' That is not 'crazy pants logic' - it's being fed the fuck up with people and their agendas acting like they care about things they don't and are only self serving in reality. His whole reddit post is basically a saving face, saving his name post. So yeah, fuck this guy. Maybe he wasn't the one who originally wrote the 'end of MEA' article. I don't know because I didn't check. But he is one that is capitalizing off implying BW has problems, MEA might be dead, blah, blah, blah which is upsetting to many people in case you have not seen the hundreds of comments from people who want more MEA and MEA DLC. Now he is doing some nifty dancing around in his little reddit post. He's giving himself an out by saying he is not saying there won't be very clearly which my guess is because he knows there will be. Meanwhile, his behavior is not unlike one of those tabloid journals that knows a story will generate sales so they run with it, twisting facts along the way to look however might be most compelling. And with that I once again say fuck this guy.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 11, 2017 18:12:54 GMT
So if this is true, people who hated on the game get rewarded and people who liked or loved the game get punished. That's not fair.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 11, 2017 18:13:28 GMT
What I think they are doing is not letting some clickbait articles that were so inaccurate they needed to be corrected a bunch of times dictate their actions. Frankly I commend them for that. Are you kidding me ?
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Post by brandoftime on Jun 11, 2017 18:25:34 GMT
What I think they are doing is not letting some clickbait articles that were so inaccurate they needed to be corrected a bunch of times dictate their actions. Frankly I commend them for that. Are you kidding me ? Or they went with Nintendo's strategy, make everyone think they won't get said product with created shortages and things, then sell a shit ton to panicked consumers. Argh! Mass Effect is dead! Dead! Now I will rip out my wallet, give you my money pleas please sell me anything with Mass Effect label on it, I love you Bioware! Don't leave meeeee!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 18:26:47 GMT
What I think they are doing is not letting some clickbait articles that were so inaccurate they needed to be corrected a bunch of times dictate their actions. Frankly I commend them for that. Are you kidding me ? A business should not need to stop and acknowledge every tabloid that twists facts to get clickbait. If they do, then they spend all their time putting out fires when in the end, the DLC will come. There is nothing but sound business logic in that. Moreso when it costs them time and money to address every little piss ant who decides they want to run some stupid story for click bait and every lazy website that decided to just copy and paste that story. If you ran a business you would understand this. If someone keeps saying lies about you that you know aren't true and will be proven false at some point in time, do you waste time and energy trying to tell people these are lies? Or do you just keep doing what you do knowing that at some point in time those lies will be proven false? And frankly which action is more powerful? Trying to argue against lies when the proof is not ready yet or waiting till the proof is ready, releasing it and then letting that be your drop the mic moment. Not bothering with lies is always the better way. There is power in that. It comes from a position of strength. Letting the evidence speak for itself is always more powerful than trying to tell people things and have them twist your words because you didn't say it exactly how they wanted to hear it (which they already did mind you).
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 11, 2017 18:44:16 GMT
Yep. There were people that were claiming the same thing with Mass Effect 2 as well because they "gutted all RPG elements". Even Mass Effect 1 was the signal of the death of BioWare because at launch it was a console exclusive and not KOTOR. It always seems like when a new BioWare game is released it is always the death of the franchise or studio. Not to my recollection, ME1 was a big hit, got rave reviews, everyone knew that ME1 was coming to the PC and it was was released just 4 month later. I also remember people being a little bit disappointed that ME2 had dropped a some of the RPG elements and the Mako, but overall the game was a judged an instant classic by professional reviewers and fans alike. These are not in any way comparable to the how ME:A has been received. Yes critics had a dislike for Andromeda, but people also said they couldn't be trusted after Mass Effect 3 either because they liked it. I think Mass Effect: Andromeda has been received a lot better then what a lot of the internet claims it to be. Even looking at the polls here the majority of people feel it was a decent game. Yes it isn't an all time classic and launched with problems that shouldn't have been there, but it seems to be a game a lot of people are enjoying it for what it is. Even looking at the poll about how people are feeling about the value of the game a lot of them are saying it was an excellent value (I personally said it was a good value) for our money. Whereas with Mass Effect 3 the boards were a lot more on the side of the ending destroyed the entire franchise and a lot more negative to the game as a whole. There are people that feel the same way or worse about Andromeda, but I do wonder if the percentage is as high as what happened with Mass Effect 3. Comparing the coverage between Mass Effect 3 and Andromeda again, I could be remembering wrong since it has been years, but I found there were a lot more places with their own information about the troubles about the ending then just one website that everyone seems to be sourcing unlike with these Kotaku articles and Andromeda.
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Post by ozzie on Jun 11, 2017 18:50:44 GMT
So if this is true, people who hated on the game get rewarded and people who liked or loved the game get punished. That's not fair. How are they getting rewarded exactly? Outside of a couple of people trying to score some kind of political points of ME:A it's most vocal detractors have been Mass Effect fans. What would reward them is EA/BioWare getting it's act together, treating the Mass Effect franchise with the respect it deserves and not rushing out some unfinished cash grab again.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 11, 2017 19:02:30 GMT
I would just love to know what Cora-related stuff her actress was doing in May if there's no DLC. Probably dealt with her love for Alec Ryder and some new necrophilia romance options. 😂
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 11, 2017 19:03:45 GMT
So if this is true, people who hated on the game get rewarded and people who liked or loved the game get punished. That's not fair. How are they getting rewarded exactly? Outside of a couple of people trying to score some kind of political points of ME:A it's most vocal detractors have been Mass Effect fans. What would reward them is EA/BioWare getting it's act together, treating the Mass Effect franchise with the respect it deserves and not rushing out some unfinished cash grab again. They still get the free patches that fix what they griped about so their issues are fixed, but those who liked or at least tolerated the game get nothing because of the complaints.
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Post by kino on Jun 11, 2017 19:05:23 GMT
I just wish someone at EA or Bioware would tell us whether or not there will be any SP DLC. Surely they know by now?!? If they say "no" people will stop paying for multiplayer DLC and lose interest. That would also have a negative effect on perceptions of Dylan. Just keep on playing/paying those Apex missions! You don't pay for multiplayer DLC. It's always been free, since ME3MP. It'd split the player base if you had to pay for MP DLC. That's why everyone gets access to the same characters, weapons and maps when they're made available. You pay for Andromeda points to purchase packs, if you want.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Jun 11, 2017 19:06:57 GMT
How are they getting rewarded exactly? Outside of a couple of people trying to score some kind of political points of ME:A it's most vocal detractors have been Mass Effect fans. What would reward them is EA/BioWare getting it's act together, treating the Mass Effect franchise with the respect it deserves and not rushing out some unfinished cash grab again. They still get the free patches that fix what they griped about so their issues are fixed, but those who liked or at least tolerated the game get nothing because of the complaints. That wouldn't be an issue if they had released a completed game in the first place. Alternately, release quality modding tools so that intrepid individuals with programming talent can help the developers correct their mistakes. I'm not joking, either. It's absolutely a valid method and I'm not entirely certain why EA hasn't given it a shot.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 11, 2017 19:06:57 GMT
There are three problems with the kotaku stuff. 1. It's unsourced. 2 it ignores common sense. 3. It ignores recent history. If these articles were done on any other game pretty.much out there they'd rightly be called fake news. But since some people hate mass effect Andromeda the shit suddenly don't stink. Oh yes and we can make racist bigoted jokes too.
Yes sure MEA might be it. I doubt it because the game met EAs expectations (most likely). But that would be a damn shame and like SGU like firefly and kind of like the new BSG it would have been.murdered before it's time.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 11, 2017 19:10:18 GMT
They still get the free patches that fix what they griped about so their issues are fixed, but those who liked or at least tolerated the game get nothing because of the complaints. That wouldn't be an issue if they had released a completed game in the first place. Alternately, release quality modding tools so that intrepid individuals with programming talent can help the developers correct their mistakes. I'm not joking, either. It's absolutely a valid method and I'm not entirely certain why EA hasn't given it a shot. That's a subjective view. As I said, many people liked or at least were fine and tolerated the game as it was when released. Because Frostbite is used for many MP games and DICE does not want people able to easily mod those games thus ruin them by having players cheat.
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Post by yan on Jun 11, 2017 19:12:31 GMT
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Post by abaris on Jun 11, 2017 19:12:55 GMT
So if this is true, people who hated on the game get rewarded and people who liked or loved the game get punished. That's not fair. Call it business. Noone gets rewarded and noone punished. To even say something like that is pure hyperbole. There's no incentive either way. Noone gets something out of that. I would have loved for that game not being OK, but exceptional. I would have liked for additional content that makes the framework they provided come alive. As it is, they only provided the promise on something they didn't deliver. Dangle a carrot in your face to pull it back at the last moment, such as they did with many quests in this game. Maybe in expectations of their being lots and lots of DLCs, expansions or future games, maybe because they couldn't get around to finishing the quest. Noone gets anything out of this but their experience with the game. Which was fun, but not exciting, such as with previous Bioware games.
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Post by ozzie on Jun 11, 2017 19:12:55 GMT
Yes critics had a dislike for Andromeda, but people also said they couldn't be trusted after Mass Effect 3 either because they liked it. I think Mass Effect: Andromeda has been received a lot better then what a lot of the internet claims it to be. Even looking at the polls here the majority of people feel it was a decent game. Yes it isn't an all time classic and launched with problems that shouldn't have been there, but it seems to be a game a lot of people are enjoying it for what it is. Even looking at the poll about how people are feeling about the value of the game a lot of them are saying it was an excellent value (I personally said it was a good value) for our money. Whereas with Mass Effect 3 the boards were a lot more on the side of the ending destroyed the entire franchise and a lot more negative to the game as a whole. There are people that feel the same way or worse about Andromeda, but I do wonder if the percentage is as high as what happened with Mass Effect 3. Comparing the coverage between Mass Effect 3 and Andromeda again, I could be remembering wrong since it has been years, but I found there were a lot more places with their own information about the troubles about the ending then just one website that everyone seems to be sourcing unlike with these Kotaku articles and Andromeda. For a Mass Effect fan forum, the polls are IMHO pretty bad. Just off the front page here 'HOW SHOULD BIOWARE MOVE FORWARD WITH MASS EFFECT?' only has 73% of responders wanting to see a direct sequel to ME:A and 'WAS MEA WORTH THE PRICE YOU PAID?' has just around 50% saying that it was good to excellent value for money. I know it's anecdotal and you only have my word for it, but of the 5 people I know who bought ME:A there is only one that liked it. Even after the PR problems they had after ME:3 the Mass Effect franchise was still really strong, people were super hyped to see another game. If EA had any sense they would have made sure that the only thing coming out of their studio with the ME brand name on it was gold standard, game of the year candidate material, something you could tell that all the other entries, even ME:3 were striving for. They could have delayed a year or more to make sure that was the case, but they couldn't even wait a damn month for them to sort out obvious problems. In the end the whole product just smacks of 'lack of effort'
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 11, 2017 19:14:09 GMT
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