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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 12, 2017 2:04:03 GMT
Wow, this thread was still on page 1 when I went to bed last night. FWIW, I think that anyone who (a) takes Jason's article as gospel or ( refuses to believe a word in it, is being naive. The truth rarely lies at either extreme. I sincerely hope that they do follow through with the Quarian DLC and use it to tie up a few loose ends. I just want them to make an announcement about it soon because I'm kinda ready to move onto something if the SP side of the game is done. Heh, maybe that's why they haven't announced anything yet... yeah hey need to announce something soon as it's getting t othe point where people wliwantto move on if njothing's going to happen.I suspect something ewill but it's a question of what and when?
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Post by OdanUrr on Jun 12, 2017 2:05:15 GMT
Wow, this is so sad. I feel for BioWare Montreal, they really got a raw deal.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 12, 2017 2:33:39 GMT
Wow, this thread was still on page 1 when I went to bed last night. FWIW, I think that anyone who (a) takes Jason's article as gospel or ( refuses to believe a word in it, is being naive. The truth rarely lies at either extreme. I sincerely hope that they do follow through with the Quarian DLC and use it to tie up a few loose ends. I just want them to make an announcement about it soon because I'm kinda ready to move onto something if the SP side of the game is done. Heh, maybe that's why they haven't announced anything yet... I agree, the way I am reading a lot of posts a lot of people aren't completely dismissing Jason's articles, they are just having a hard believing that EA would go to the extreme of closing BioWare Montreal and putting the franchise on hiatus after what seems to be an average game. Speaking for myself I wanted just to have another organization have a report that these actions were happening using their own sources to independently collaborate what was happening, but after this post I have more doubt about what he is saying. If his articles were less extreme such as a delay prior to entering full production which the employees weren't expecting I would have no problem believing that either or that EA is shifting personnel to adjust for weaknesses at BioWare Montreal again I could believe that, its just when taken to what feels like extremes even for EA I just wanted collaboration. Looking at past BioWare games they don't announce DLC unless its only a couple of weeks away from launch. I think it was another thread, but I looked at the release date for Citadel for Mass Effect 3 and Trespasser for Dragon Age: Inquisition and BioWare officially announced those less then two weeks before release and those were the final DLCs for the games.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 12, 2017 3:07:00 GMT
Wow, this is so sad. I feel for BioWare Montreal, they really got a raw deal. Not getting all the software at once and then having to restart? How many heads rolled for that? It shouldn't be about licenses because I thought Frostbite was in-house. This is sad. And it's always the lower-level people who have to take it on the chin. And shoot man... they did. I know I unleashed on them accusing them on not having passion and soul. Seeing the development cycle, you had to have passion and soul to keep it together. It still needed more time, but it's hard to fault EA. Come on... at some point you have to say, "Where is my motherf***ing money!?" Well, at least from what I see through these patches, BioWare 2.0 aren't just developers, but they're magicians.
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Post by ProbeAway on Jun 12, 2017 3:31:22 GMT
Wow, this thread was still on page 1 when I went to bed last night. FWIW, I think that anyone who (a) takes Jason's article as gospel or ( refuses to believe a word in it, is being naive. The truth rarely lies at either extreme. I sincerely hope that they do follow through with the Quarian DLC and use it to tie up a few loose ends. I just want them to make an announcement about it soon because I'm kinda ready to move onto something if the SP side of the game is done. Heh, maybe that's why they haven't announced anything yet... I agree, the way I am reading a lot of posts a lot of people aren't completely dismissing Jason's articles, they are just having a hard believing that EA would go to the extreme of closing BioWare Montreal and putting the franchise on hiatus after what seems to be an average game. Speaking for myself I wanted just to have another organization have a report that these actions were happening using their own sources to independently collaborate what was happening, but after this post I have more doubt about what he is saying. If his articles were less extreme such as a delay prior to entering full production which the employees weren't expecting I would have no problem believing that either or that EA is shifting personnel to adjust for weaknesses at BioWare Montreal again I could believe that, its just when taken to what feels like extremes even for EA I just wanted collaboration. Looking at past BioWare games they don't announce DLC unless its only a couple of weeks away from launch. I think it was another thread, but I looked at the release date for Citadel for Mass Effect 3 and Trespasser for Dragon Age: Inquisition and BioWare officially announced those less then two weeks before release and those were the final DLCs for the games. Sounds fair to me. The only thing I'd add is that ME3 and DAI might not reliable comparisons. ME3 had day 1 DLC, which might have pushed other dlc announcements/releases back a bit. DAI was cross-generation for consoles so the JoH release was only a day after its announcement for PC and XBone, but two months later for PS3, PS4 and 360. I just hope we hear something in the next couple of weeks. Even something unofficial.
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Post by General Mahad on Jun 12, 2017 5:36:54 GMT
Just when I thought Kotaku regained a bit of journalistic integrity.
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Post by DragonEffect on Jun 12, 2017 5:37:33 GMT
Now that Anthem was revealed (a new scifi/futuristic game) ME will very likely be put aside for a while. Maybe forever. The new game will be Bioware's bet to restore some of its lost reputation after ME3 and Andromeda.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Jun 12, 2017 8:37:10 GMT
So my opinion on what has been posted in the op is this: Jason Schreier wrote a report, which was then edited 3 times if memory serves, claiming that BW Montreal was for the chop & ME was put on hiatus, yet, now that people are turning away from this story & out right disbelieving him, he has come back onto the net to try again. In his own words he admits that he doesn't know for sure what is happening over in Montreal & yet continues to claim it is the end times.
A journalist should report only the facts in an impartial manner & let the audience of the article make up their own mind, they should not revisit a story in an attempt to further sway people minds.
I end my post saying what I have since this claim was first made, I will wait to hear an official statement on the future of Mass Effect & that is my own opinion that I have formed myself.
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Post by abaris on Jun 12, 2017 9:03:08 GMT
Now that Anthem was revealed (a new scifi/futuristic game) ME will very likely be put aside for a while. Maybe forever. The new game will be Bioware's bet to restore some of its lost reputation after ME3 and Andromeda. Far as I see it, the audiences of both games may overlap, but this is neither intended to be an RPG nor a single player game in the sense of the trilogy or MEA. For me there's nothing to be restored or ruined by the release of Anthem. It's simply not what I even consider buying. Not my cup of tea.
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Post by Eterna on Jun 12, 2017 9:59:32 GMT
Trying to prove rumors with more rumors from the same source is kinda stupid, dont ya think?
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Post by Darkstarr11 on Jun 12, 2017 10:13:21 GMT
So my opinion on what has been posted in the op is this: Jason Schreier wrote a report, which was then edited 3 times if memory serves, claiming that BW Montreal was for the chop & ME was put on hiatus, yet, now that people are turning away from this story & out right disbelieving him, he has come back onto the net to try again. In his own words he admits that he doesn't know for sure what is happening over in Montreal & yet continues to claim it is the end times. A journalist should report only the facts in an impartial manner & let the audience of the article make up their own mind, they should not revisit a story in an attempt to further sway people minds. I end my post saying what I have since this claim was first made, I will wait to hear an official statement on the future of Mass Effect & that is my own opinion that I have formed myself. I'm starting to think this guy WANTS MEA to utterly fail. I've done a little looking about the internet, as I live VERY far away from the epicenter of this debacle, but apparently (and this is rumor AND conjecture) Montreal got the short end of the stick. Edmonton got the resources, the talent, and Montreal got screwed in every different direction. YET, in 18 months they pulled together with a game engine that DIDN'T want to work well with them, was horrible about facial animation, and yet...they managed to get the game out without it being completely and utterly unplayable, though some screamed ' dumpster fire' (btw, X-Men Destiny LAUGHS at your comment and raises you 'pure sewage'). Anthem SCREWED over Andromeda, and yet the guys in charge of Bioware (looking at the VP here), didn't get the axe. Schreier, like any other WRITER, wants to sell. He has a book coming out in...what, September? And nothing sells like bad news. A troubled production coupled with a rivalry between studios? Gold. So take it with a grain of salt. What he put together has about as much truth to it as what I wrote...maybe a bit more, but again, NOTHING OFFICIAL. So take it as it is. We have the CEO giving the investors a good spiel about continuing to push the game for the foreseeable future, and an unofficial report stating that the game is done, and...
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 12, 2017 11:03:49 GMT
Now that Anthem was revealed (a new scifi/futuristic game) ME will very likely be put aside for a while. Maybe forever. The new game will be Bioware's bet to restore some of its lost reputation after ME3 and Andromeda. Far as I see it, the audiences of both games may overlap, but this is neither intended to be an RPG nor a single player game in the sense of the trilogy or MEA. For me there's nothing to be restored or ruined by the release of Anthem. It's simply not what I even consider buying. Not my cup of tea. Agreed Anthem dosen't really count because it dosen't look like Anthem is a single player game or an RPG like ME is. If it had those elements then yes it might be considered. Anthem does look interesting but it wouldn't hold my interest purely because it dosen't have SP. Any games I buy have to have singleplayer options to get my attention.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Jun 12, 2017 11:23:55 GMT
I think it's a bit funny strange sometimes to see how people react to this stuff.
I tend to think of Kotaku as being, um... historically "supportive" of BioWare, broadly speaking, even to a fault, at times. And I historically have taken Kotaku's journalism with more of a grain of salt than most people.
So it's weird to see (and I realize individuals are individuals) the community turn so thoroughly to the idea that this journalist made everything up (I counted at least 4 posts on the first page making that accusation quite directly, and many more implying it) on the basis that if he turns out to be right, they won't get what they want.
I can't relate. If someone is telling me something that I don't want to hear, I'm more likely to look into it to try and understand it, preferring to be forewarned and prepared.
Personally, I can't think of the last BioWare launch that went like this. I don't believe there has ever been one. And yet so many refuse to believe that this game may have experienced a different and more troubled kind of development. I guess everything in the last five years happened in a vacuum? Doesn't much matter, since all speculation is moot once EA/BioWare get around to announcing whether there will be DLC or not. If they do, I'm pretty sure it will be the farthest into development and post-development that BioWare has ever announced a game's first single-player DLC.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jun 12, 2017 11:45:57 GMT
Funny topic."Kotaku not reliable", "Jason is lying", "cheap journalism"... and all of that just because one guy got balls to write an article. But he's a prick. At the same time "reliable" guys like Flynn or Gamble don't give a F about hundreds of fans who are asking for one simple answer - not ETA, not the whole article about ME, just for one word that MEA future is safe - but they are OK, they are cool. For a God sake, we don't need official statement or EA press conference - one twitt "DLC STILL HAPPENING" and it's sorted ! But no, what's the point. It's better to smash one journalist for an article instead of asking the people responsible to give us answers.
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Post by abaris on Jun 12, 2017 11:56:13 GMT
At the same time "reliable" guys like Flynn or Gamble don't give a F about hundreds of fans who are asking for one simple answer - not ETA, not the whole article about ME, just for one word that MEA future is safe - but they are OK, they are cool. They aren't allowed to reply, that's all. If you're working at a large company, you are tied to secrecy unless the higher ups give you the green light to make a statement. But one of the reasons why the kotaku article quotes anonymous sources. I understand both sides of the spectrum. Flynn and Gamble as well as the author of that article. Nothing about both examples is in any way outlandish.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 12, 2017 11:58:16 GMT
I think it's a bit funny strange sometimes to see how people react to this stuff. I tend to think of Kotaku as being, um... historically "supportive" of BioWare, broadly speaking, even to a fault, at times. And I historically have taken Kotaku's journalism with more of a grain of salt than most people. So it's weird to see (and I realize individuals are individuals) the community turn so thoroughly to the idea that this journalist made everything up (I counted at least 4 posts on the first page making that accusation quite directly, and many more implying it) on the basis that if he turns out to be right, they won't get what they want. I can't relate. If someone is telling me something that I don't want to hear, I'm more likely to look into it to try and understand it, preferring to be forewarned and prepared. Personally, I can't think of the last BioWare launch that went like this. I don't believe there has ever been one. And yet so many refuse to believe that this game may have experienced a different and more troubled kind of development. I guess everything in the last five years happened in a vacuum? Doesn't much matter, since all speculation is moot once EA/BioWare get around to announcing whether there will be DLC or not. If they do, I'm pretty sure it will be the farthest into development and post-development that BioWare has ever announced a game's first single-player DLC. Where are people refusing to acknowledge there might have been troubled development or there were problems with the game at launch or things like that? What I am taking issue with from his articles are three points. The studio is closing, the franchise is on hold and probably dead, and no DLC. Looking at his post he has also backtracked on one issue and another I can see him leaving room to say I misunderstood. Those points being the DLC since he basically said maybe there will be DLC maybe not and the studio being closed because I have dealt with remote location closures and the first thing after people are gone is you take back the equipment to prevent theft and damage so to me at least the computers being there casts more doubt. Not to mention when he puts a paragraph into his article about "read more about the trouble with Frostbite and Dragon Age: Inquisition in my book" makes me question his desire to be truthful.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jun 12, 2017 12:17:51 GMT
At the same time "reliable" guys like Flynn or Gamble don't give a F about hundreds of fans who are asking for one simple answer - not ETA, not the whole article about ME, just for one word that MEA future is safe - but they are OK, they are cool. They aren't allowed to reply, that's all. If you're working at a large company, you are tied to secrecy unless the higher ups give you the green light to make a statement. But one of the reasons why the kotaku article quotes anonymous sources. I understand both sides of the spectrum. Flynn and Gamble as well as the author of that article. Nothing about both examples is in any way outlandish. Not allowed ? Why ? 1) 85% people in this topic are saying that this article is a one big lie, 2) we are not asking for any info about some secret incoming project like Dylan, 3) we are not asking for official statement about ME series future - the only thing people are asking is "will we get DLC ?". Go back to ME2-ME3 when voice actors been spreading twitts about being back in studio, about making some extra stuff, same was with BW guys. Suddenly such a secrecy about extension ?
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Post by abaris on Jun 12, 2017 12:30:56 GMT
- the only thing people are asking is "will we get DLC ?". Go back to ME2-ME3 when voice actors been spreading twitts about being back in studio, about making some extra stuff, same was with BW guys. Suddenly such a secrecy about extension ? And that's what they're not allowed to say. The company is keeping their powder dry. Gamble will never tweet about something like that unless the company greenlights it. It's not a sudden development. They didn't say anything, period. Gamble's tweets about patches, well that's what he's expected to publish in order to convey the feeling of the game being supported. You can bet your ass, if they have something to say, there will be a statement. But don't expect them to respond to a negative. If there isn't some kind of DLC they will never say that in order to keep their customers hooked instead of turning their backs.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Jun 12, 2017 12:33:04 GMT
I think it's a bit funny strange sometimes to see how people react to this stuff. I tend to think of Kotaku as being, um... historically "supportive" of BioWare, broadly speaking, even to a fault, at times. And I historically have taken Kotaku's journalism with more of a grain of salt than most people. So it's weird to see (and I realize individuals are individuals) the community turn so thoroughly to the idea that this journalist made everything up (I counted at least 4 posts on the first page making that accusation quite directly, and many more implying it) on the basis that if he turns out to be right, they won't get what they want. I can't relate. If someone is telling me something that I don't want to hear, I'm more likely to look into it to try and understand it, preferring to be forewarned and prepared. Personally, I can't think of the last BioWare launch that went like this. I don't believe there has ever been one. And yet so many refuse to believe that this game may have experienced a different and more troubled kind of development. I guess everything in the last five years happened in a vacuum? Doesn't much matter, since all speculation is moot once EA/BioWare get around to announcing whether there will be DLC or not. If they do, I'm pretty sure it will be the farthest into development and post-development that BioWare has ever announced a game's first single-player DLC. Where are people refusing to acknowledge there might have been troubled development or there were problems with the game at launch or things like that? What I am taking issue with from his articles are three points. The studio is closing, the franchise is on hold and probably dead, and no DLC. Looking at his post he has also backtracked on one issue and another I can see him leaving room to say I misunderstood. Those points being the DLC since he basically said maybe there will be DLC maybe not and the studio being closed because I have dealt with remote location closures and the first thing after people are gone is you take back the equipment to prevent theft and damage so to me at least the computers being there casts more doubt. Not to mention when he puts a paragraph into his article about "read more about the trouble with Frostbite and Dragon Age: Inquisition in my book" makes me question his desire to be truthful. I'm not sure how you interpreted my post as being directed at you, since I have no idea who you are or what you have said in the past.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 12, 2017 12:37:46 GMT
Where are people refusing to acknowledge there might have been troubled development or there were problems with the game at launch or things like that? What I am taking issue with from his articles are three points. The studio is closing, the franchise is on hold and probably dead, and no DLC. Looking at his post he has also backtracked on one issue and another I can see him leaving room to say I misunderstood. Those points being the DLC since he basically said maybe there will be DLC maybe not and the studio being closed because I have dealt with remote location closures and the first thing after people are gone is you take back the equipment to prevent theft and damage so to me at least the computers being there casts more doubt. Not to mention when he puts a paragraph into his article about "read more about the trouble with Frostbite and Dragon Age: Inquisition in my book" makes me question his desire to be truthful. I'm not sure how you interpreted my post as being directed at you, since I have no idea who you are or what you have said in the past. I didn't take it as directed to me, I just took it from what I saw in this thread. I added in a little about me, but I don't see a lot of people questioning what his article says. There is another group that says they don't trust Kotaku, but even that case I see them saying "I don't trust Kotaku" which I don't take as they are ignoring what might have happened.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 13:15:57 GMT
See you in August with the first SP DLC. Looking forward to discuss it here. Now that Anthem was revealed (a new scifi/futuristic game) ME will very likely be put aside for a while. Maybe forever. The new game will be Bioware's bet to restore some of its lost reputation after ME3 and Andromeda. Yes you restore reputation of your RPG writing skills by making a co-op always online shooter with MMO elements. Totally legit.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 12, 2017 13:24:55 GMT
I don't know how game development works, but I completely forgot about the whole voice actor strike that is still going on. I wonder if that might have played some influences with the decision not to move immediately into a new game as well. If they need to look at voice actors near the beginning of development I could see them holding off until that is settled as well for they don't want to get to a point and wait for the strike to end if it is still going on at that point.
I can see several reasons why they aren't working on a sequel right away and I don't think all of them are because EA is abandoning franchise or the studio.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 12, 2017 13:44:13 GMT
Now that Anthem was revealed (a new scifi/futuristic game) ME will very likely be put aside for a while. Maybe forever. If Anthem is a big success I could see that happening. If its not BW will either be put to rest alongside Mythic and Westwood (most likely) or maybe they'll return the team to working on ME. Just have to wait and see now.
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Post by goishen on Jun 12, 2017 14:00:00 GMT
Yah, you don't keep a failing company together by cobbling together used assets from several other companies. If I'd wanted to play Destiny/The Division/Fallout, I'd be playing those games. I don't want your shitty Destiny/Division/Fallout clone.
You do it by innovating. Something that ME was, up until MEA.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jun 12, 2017 14:06:39 GMT
- the only thing people are asking is "will we get DLC ?". Go back to ME2-ME3 when voice actors been spreading twitts about being back in studio, about making some extra stuff, same was with BW guys. Suddenly such a secrecy about extension ? And that's what they're not allowed to say. The company is keeping their powder dry. Gamble will never tweet about something like that unless the company greenlights it. It's not a sudden development. They didn't say anything, period. Gamble's tweets about patches, well that's what he's expected to publish in order to convey the feeling of the game being supported. You can bet your ass, if they have something to say, there will be a statement. But don't expect them to respond to a negative. If there isn't some kind of DLC they will never say that in order to keep their customers hooked instead of turning their backs. Oh please stop being so naive. Bioware has always been known to use social media or their forums to tease/hint at new story DLC. The fact that Bioware has not done any of that and it is 3 months past launch is very telling. Waiting for Bioware to announce ME is dead is like waiting for Bioware to announce Jade Empire is dead. Sometimes the best approach to killing a product is not to announce it but rather let it fade into obscurity.
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