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Post by maximusarael020 on Jun 14, 2017 17:52:07 GMT
Hot damn. That's awesome! I saw something about that the other day in a tweet, but couldn't confirm it anywhere until this article you posted. Good on you, sir!
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Post by luketrevelyan on Jun 14, 2017 18:20:13 GMT
Saw this in the twitter thread as well. Having Drew K as a writer is definitely intriguing. Not enough for me to get too excited, but I've been a fan of his past work.
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Post by linksocarina on Jun 14, 2017 20:16:08 GMT
Honestly, Drew K is overrated if you ask me. His style of writing was always exposition dump first and foremost and not exactly character building.
Good at world building though, which I think Anthem needs to set it apart. It's a fair fit for sure, but he's not as a good as folks make him out to be.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 14, 2017 20:19:40 GMT
Honestly, Drew K is overrated if you ask me. His style of writing was always exposition dump first and foremost and not exactly character building. Good at world building though, which I think Anthem needs to set it apart. It's a fair fit for sure, but he's not as a good as folks make him out to be. Speaking of Anthem and world building, was it a theory or confirmed that David Gaider worked for a time on the secret IP? I think it was a theory that he did world-building for it.
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Post by linksocarina on Jun 14, 2017 20:21:04 GMT
Honestly, Drew K is overrated if you ask me. His style of writing was always exposition dump first and foremost and not exactly character building. Good at world building though, which I think Anthem needs to set it apart. It's a fair fit for sure, but he's not as a good as folks make him out to be. Speaking of Anthem and world building, was it a theory or confirmed that David Gaider worked for a time on the secret IP? I think it was a theory that he did world-building for it. I believe it was confirmed, he said he was on the new IP for a time.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 14, 2017 20:27:48 GMT
Speaking of Anthem and world building, was it a theory or confirmed that David Gaider worked for a time on the secret IP? I think it was a theory that he did world-building for it. I believe it was confirmed, he said he was on the new IP for a time. I'm hopeful about the world-building, story and characters of the game. In these kinds of games, I enjoy the combat and environment but find that the other aspects lag far behind so if that's not the case in this game then I'm interested. I have soloed these kinds of games before because I liked the combat, story or atmosphere enough. That was the case with Borderlands 2: I continued playing when my friend quit on me because I liked it.
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Post by NRieh on Jun 14, 2017 21:23:54 GMT
Honestly, Drew K is overrated if you ask me. His style of writing was always exposition dump first and foremost and not exactly character building. Good at world building though, which I think Anthem needs to set it apart. It's a fair fit for sure, but he's not as a good as folks make him out to be. This. He's a mediocre novelist and char-writer (to put it mildly...gees, K. Sanders is one of the top worst characters I've ever seen) and ME1 was kind of a 'collective baby', but he's got a talent for the overall story design. The latest TOR had shown that much. I can't say I'm hyped because of that, but Dylan is getting much more interesting than I expected it to be.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 14, 2017 23:28:13 GMT
Speaking of Anthem and world building, was it a theory or confirmed that David Gaider worked for a time on the secret IP? I think it was a theory that he did world-building for it. I believe it was confirmed, he said he was on the new IP for a time. He didn't work on it for long, I could be judging time incorrectly but I think it was less then six months. I have my suspicions that he was working on it after all the content for Dragon Age wrapped and then just spent time there until his contract expired so he could move on to the studio that is remaking the Baldur's Gate games and the sequel.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 14, 2017 23:29:41 GMT
Honestly, Drew K is overrated if you ask me. His style of writing was always exposition dump first and foremost and not exactly character building. Good at world building though, which I think Anthem needs to set it apart. It's a fair fit for sure, but he's not as a good as folks make him out to be. Yep, I think he got too much credit personally for a really good job of the entire team that wrote the first game. I know that The Old Republic is much larger, but I think it didn't have what made Mass Effect 1 special even with his touches working on it.
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 14, 2017 23:31:55 GMT
I believe it was confirmed, he said he was on the new IP for a time. He didn't work on it for long, I could be judging time incorrectly but I think it was less then six months. I have my suspicions that he was working on it after all the content for Dragon Age wrapped and then just spent time there until his contract expired so he could move on to the studio that is remaking the Baldur's Gate games and the sequel. David mentioned he was on Anthem for a year before moving on...
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 14, 2017 23:41:50 GMT
He didn't work on it for long, I could be judging time incorrectly but I think it was less then six months. I have my suspicions that he was working on it after all the content for Dragon Age wrapped and then just spent time there until his contract expired so he could move on to the studio that is remaking the Baldur's Gate games and the sequel. David mentioned he was on Anthem for a year before moving on... My mistake, I didn't think it was nearly that long. Maybe it was only reported after a few months that he moved to the team.
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Post by slimgrin on Jun 15, 2017 6:14:03 GMT
His world building and lore in Mass Effect is about as good as it gets for the industry. If he did the plotting across all three game...then get a separate writer for that part.
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Post by MissOuJ on Jun 15, 2017 16:45:08 GMT
Honestly, Drew K is overrated if you ask me. His style of writing was always exposition dump first and foremost and not exactly character building. Good at world building though, which I think Anthem needs to set it apart. It's a fair fit for sure, but he's not as a good as folks make him out to be. This. Read his ME novels, which were pretty OK in the pulp-y sci-fi kind of way, but nothing in them or the ME trilogy has convinced me he is the outstanding writer and source of everything good and holy in the ME IP many in the fandom tout him as. ((I also hate his version of the trilogy ending even more than the original endings))Also, video games are a group effort when it comes to writing (... and everything else, really) and so putting too much faith in one writer is probably not very accurate IMO. Mass Effect had five, and ME2 seven (plus one dialogue editor), other writers in addition to Drew (although, since my source is IMDB, that might not be 100 % accurate), and they collaborate on a lot of stuff. So my favourite scene or quest in ME1/ME2 might have several writers, and Drew might be responsible for nothing but the general outline and critical points of the quest/scene. Having said that, it's great to see that the project has a lead writer who 1) has worked with Bioware before, 2) has experience with world building and creating new IPs, and 3) has worked as a lead writer before. Can't say that I am very interested in Anthem ATM, but I am confident that he has the necessary experience for the project despite the fact that I am not personally convinced he is the narrative wonder-boy certain people seem to see him as.
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Post by isaidlunch on Jun 16, 2017 4:52:50 GMT
Revan might be the worst book I've ever read and ME1 Tali and Liara were awful. He seems good at world-building but I hope that's all he does.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jun 16, 2017 16:30:46 GMT
Honestly, Drew K is overrated if you ask me. His style of writing was always exposition dump first and foremost and not exactly character building. Good at world building though, which I think Anthem needs to set it apart. It's a fair fit for sure, but he's not as a good as folks make him out to be. But he has consistency. He's not like Mac Walters who can't even write a full scene without contradicting himself or going off the rails with unfiltered nonsense. He's not like David Gaider who openly doesn't care about certain things where his stories suffer for it. Drew just wrote a book trilogy between leaving BioWare in 2012 and returning in 2016. Regardless of whether it's dry or tropey he keeps at it and doesn't cop out and he doesn't flounder about like a lot of the seniors like Sylvia Feketekuty and other writers at BioWare do.
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Post by linksocarina on Jun 16, 2017 16:41:31 GMT
Honestly, Drew K is overrated if you ask me. His style of writing was always exposition dump first and foremost and not exactly character building. Good at world building though, which I think Anthem needs to set it apart. It's a fair fit for sure, but he's not as a good as folks make him out to be. But he has consistency. He's not like Mac Walters who can't even write a full scene without contradicting himself or going off the rails with unfiltered nonsense. He's not like David Gaider who openly doesn't care about certain things where his stories suffer for it. Drew just wrote a book trilogy between leaving BioWare in 2012 and returning in 2016. Regardless of whether it's dry or tropey he keeps at it and doesn't cop out and he doesn't flounder about like a lot of the seniors like Sylvia Feketekuty and other writers at BioWare do. Frankly Gaider is a better writer overall. Mostly stemming from actual character growth and pacing. Karpyshyn is terrible at pacing because it's exposition to explain, not to inform. Gaider does a lot more in the inform department, sort of "showing vs telling" which does mean for more polished scripts most of the time. Consistent, sure, but that still doesn't mean anything other than consistency. Drew K needs a team to balance him out, Gaider is pretty solid on his own, if derivative, but who isn't these days.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jun 17, 2017 3:05:12 GMT
I get what you mean. It's very present throughout DA:I but that said I just have a certain affinity more for Drew's writing for some reason as much as I think all his exclusive characters kind of suck. (though TIM only got 10x worse when Mac handled him)
All the characters gaider wrote in KOTOR are my least favorite. Carth is a whiny bitch and the HK robot is not funny at all. Gaider's villains are awful, from Logain to Coryphefish and as I mentioned I think Gaider has a terrible tendency to let his bias come on too strong in that especially villains but certainly also other themes are one-sided out of his ignorance or intolerance to the other side of the argument, like the mages and templars thing in DA2 as well.
Saren is mostly all I have to go by but the way Drew wrote Anderson, Udina and Saren was superb IMO. Saren is so clearly depicted as a shithead by everyone but despite knowing what a ruthless bastard he is you do empathise when you learn about his submission to the Reapers and the writing acknowledges it. Anderson's story about how Saren framed him for a failed hostage situation that he caused on purpose plays wonderfully into how Saren becomes the bad guy of the story, because his ruthlesness combined with the Reapers' control turned him into a self-sacrifical martyr. It's just so well done IMO, and as much as I think Gaider manages to say what he wants to say better in some cases, he's often held back by his stubborn beliefs and showing only one side of an argument. He didn't try hard enough to make Logain a villain for instance. He's very prone to making a character and slapping a "please hate this guy" on them instead of developing them properly. To him a compeltely one-sided moron is the equivalent of a good villain and that's where Gaider loses some points in my book but he does well when it comes to highlighting the themes he wants to in a nuanced way and presenting the characters that he consider to be respectable as such. If he doesn't care his writing fails, every time.
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Post by LogicGunn on Jun 17, 2017 18:30:42 GMT
Honestly, Drew K is overrated if you ask me. His style of writing was always exposition dump first and foremost and not exactly character building. Good at world building though, which I think Anthem needs to set it apart. It's a fair fit for sure, but he's not as a good as folks make him out to be. This. Read his ME novels, which were pretty OK in the pulp-y sci-fi kind of way, but nothing in them or the ME trilogy has convinced me he is the outstanding writer and source of everything good and holy in the ME IP many in the fandom tout him as. ((I also hate his version of the trilogy ending even more than the original endings))Also, video games are a group effort when it comes to writing (... and everything else, really) and so putting too much faith in one writer is probably not very accurate IMO. Mass Effect had five, and ME2 seven (plus one dialogue editor), other writers in addition to Drew (although, since my source is IMDB, that might not be 100 % accurate), and they collaborate on a lot of stuff. So my favourite scene or quest in ME1/ME2 might have several writers, and Drew might be responsible for nothing but the general outline and critical points of the quest/scene. Having said that, it's great to see that the project has a lead writer who 1) has worked with Bioware before, 2) has experience with world building and creating new IPs, and 3) has worked as a lead writer before. Can't say that I am very interested in Anthem ATM, but I am confident that he has the necessary experience for the project despite the fact that I am not personally convinced he is the narrative wonder-boy certain people seem to see him as.Totally agree with the bolded. I think it's really reassuring for Bioware fans to see a familiar name working on Anthem.
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Post by setokaiba on Jun 18, 2017 18:33:05 GMT
*google him*
He wrote ME2 so I'm not getting my hopes up
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Post by tacsear on Jun 19, 2017 3:07:52 GMT
Oh shit, finally some good news
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Post by tacsear on Jun 19, 2017 3:10:50 GMT
*google him* He wrote ME2 so I'm not getting my hopes up He wrote ME2 so I'm getting my hopes up
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Jun 19, 2017 15:14:07 GMT
Honestly, Drew K is overrated if you ask me. His style of writing was always exposition dump first and foremost and not exactly character building. Good at world building though, which I think Anthem needs to set it apart. It's a fair fit for sure, but he's not as a good as folks make him out to be. World building is something that the vast majority of games, even RPGs, tend to be pretty weak in. If the lore in Anthem is anywhere as good as the lore in the first Mass Effect (subsequent games derailed it) that would be a huge plus for the quality of the game.
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