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Post by linksocarina on Jun 16, 2017 14:08:18 GMT
Can’t change the bad writing... It's not Shakespeare. For a sci-fi/fantasy action/rpg/shooter game in deep space, I think the writing was fine. Fine but playing it safe. That is the biggest problem...next game they don't have to play it so safe. Provided a next game comes out.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 16, 2017 14:13:43 GMT
It's not Shakespeare. For a sci-fi/fantasy action/rpg/shooter game in deep space, I think the writing was fine. Fine but playing it safe. That is the biggest problem...next game they don't have to play it so safe. Provided a next game comes out. Considering it had the 2nd best opening for a Mass Effect game, I don't see them abandoning the brand.
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Post by Arcian on Jun 16, 2017 14:23:42 GMT
So I started a new play through of MEA after taking a break from it for a couple of months. Now I have been pretty critical of it mainly from comparing it to the trilogy. But last night as I was finishing up my first trip to EOS and establishing Prodromos I realized I was having fun damnit. Of course the patch has helped but still the base game is still pretty damn fun. Which leads me to believe that while much of the constructive criticism is valid at the same time this game is a victim of the internet hate mob. The damn meme posters have been wanting to bring this franchise down for years. If this game had been simply called Andromeda with all the ME references taken out (meaning none of the other MW races would be in it and references to the alliance were not in the game etc...) and it was made by a different dev then it would have not been attacked so aggressively. It angers me that there are people that downright have an agenda against this IP. This means nothing coming from you, bub. You've been by far BioWare's most zealous defender on the BSN since before ME3 was released.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 16, 2017 14:30:51 GMT
So I started a new play through of MEA after taking a break from it for a couple of months. Now I have been pretty critical of it mainly from comparing it to the trilogy. But last night as I was finishing up my first trip to EOS and establishing Prodromos I realized I was having fun damnit. Of course the patch has helped but still the base game is still pretty damn fun. Which leads me to believe that while much of the constructive criticism is valid at the same time this game is a victim of the internet hate mob. The damn meme posters have been wanting to bring this franchise down for years. If this game had been simply called Andromeda with all the ME references taken out (meaning none of the other MW races would be in it and references to the alliance were not in the game etc...) and it was made by a different dev then it would have not been attacked so aggressively. It angers me that there are people that downright have an agenda against this IP. This means nothing coming from you, bub. You've been by far BioWare's most zealous defender on the BSN since before ME3 was released.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 14:35:10 GMT
Did it sound like that? I'm just curious how they manage to get to 100+ hours. I could say the same why people don't do playthroughs like the one's I've done. Click on the link in my signature. Have you done a playthrough like that? I would be curious as to why you haven't. A few have said they don't have the stomach for it. Have you completed a speedrun? I've completed MEA under 4 hours on insanity mode a couple of times. My first playthrough, I took my time. The same can be said when I play a game for the first time. four hours! Standing O! (I don't do memes, but if someone could provide - wink)
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Post by themikefest on Jun 16, 2017 14:39:20 GMT
four hours! Standing O! (I don't do memes, but if someone could provide - wink) Done on the ps4. One of them a melee only run. Go to youtube and see others have speedruns with faster times.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 16, 2017 14:42:47 GMT
Considering it had the 2nd best opening for a Mass Effect game, I don't see them abandoning the brand. I don't either. I see 3 dlc's being released, but I'm sure that's me being optimistic, and I see another MEA game being released. Will Ryder be in a sequel? Only Bioware can answer that question. I would like to see him/her return, but....
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Post by abaris on Jun 16, 2017 14:45:04 GMT
I could say the same why people don't do playthroughs like the one's I've done. Click on the link in my signature. Have you done a playthrough like that? I would be curious as to why you haven't. A few have said they don't have the stomach for it. Have you completed a speedrun? I've completed MEA under 4 hours on insanity mode a couple of times. My first playthrough, I took my time. The same can be said when I play a game for the first time. I realize the main story can be done in a very short time, but I highly doubt I would get any enjoyment from playing any game that way. Not just MEA. On my first run I try to be as completionist as possible without getting anal over erasing each and every fetch quest from my journal. On my NG+, which I never finished, I got picky choosy about what I wanted to do and what offered no enjoyment.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 14:56:19 GMT
four hours! Standing O! (I don't do memes, but if someone could provide - wink) Done on the ps4. One of them a melee only run. Go to youtube and see others have speedruns with faster times. I'll have to check it out. Hadn't thought about returning to that site to watch for ME:A ones yet. You still rock in my book, though.
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Post by xassantex on Jun 16, 2017 14:58:42 GMT
i agree with both of you because the writing early in game is not good. Trying to make Ryder as a young neophyte may have given problems to the writers . What do you get such a character to tell , to comment, what opinions can he / she have when totally lacking experience ? Then there's the Citadel aftertaste that is a bit unnerving. As the game moves on i find an increased sense of entitlement, assurance . Replies and comments become stronger ( rescuing the Moshae , Dracks loyalty mission etc ) . Could or should there be more ? Should they be more in depth? Of course, but at least Ryder isn't so insipid and " just having fun" . So people who got to play the first 10 hours of the game were served the poorest writing of the game. And that didn't help . I blame Bioware for a poor concept of what Ryder is to be early on and it was a mistake to make 10 hours of early gameplay available. ( i kind of find ridiculous people who couldn't wait game release just so they could ... could what exactly? ... right ) . Could what? So they could give the game a test run after bing burned by Inquisition and DA:2 and ME:3. Better to spend $5 and find out a game is not for you than pay $79.99 and have major regrets. I hope EA continues with early access on Origin, that’s the only way I’ll be playing any future Bioware games. except just as it goes for a book, a movie, a play, a large piece of music i don't think a whole game can be judged from the first 10% of game play . Did you buy it ? I don't know any stats regarding the matter, but i'd be curious to know how many didn't buy the game after the $5 preview.
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Post by warrior on Jun 16, 2017 15:21:27 GMT
Fine but playing it safe. That is the biggest problem...next game they don't have to play it so safe. Provided a next game comes out. Considering it had the 2nd best opening for a Mass Effect game, I don't see them abandoning the brand. Really? That's good news after all the doom and gloom.
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Post by geezer117 on Jun 16, 2017 15:36:33 GMT
My first PT was Normal difficulty, to learn the mechanics. Pretty fun. Second was hardcore, which I enjoyed more. Still, combat was not that difficult; did the whole thing with a Piranha and Ushior. Guns are pretty strong on Hardcore. One thing I liked was skipping "fast travel", and enjoying the banter from teammates in the Nomad. Every pair had their own style. Well done, Devs.
I decided to do Insanity, just to say I did it. And see if I could get Cora to warm up. Tried a scratch NG/Insanity from lvl 1, and hit a wall at lvl 17. Could not advance. Guns too weak, powers too weak, survivability too weak, my stuff wasn't working together, and my playstyle just wasn't good enough. That was a surprise.
So I am half way through NGplus/insanity. Insanity plays very differently from Hardcore. It takes all things working to make headway--guns, powers, combos, augments, passives, movement, strategy. And serious consequences of making mistakes. Everything has to work together. This is everything I hoped the game would be. 10/10.
I still plan to try NGscratch/Insanity. Maybe ignore that Cora bitch though.
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Post by warrior on Jun 16, 2017 15:57:39 GMT
on my first run I did ALMOST everything--all side quests but not all the tasks--on Normal difficulty (which felt more like Easy) and it took about 100 hours. I did not die very often, so it would have been longer for me on Hardcore or Insanity... on my next run (waiting to see if SP DLC is coming) I will increase the difficulty and skip most of the tasks. but yeah, like many of you I got 100+ hours on my first playthrough.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 16, 2017 16:45:56 GMT
So I started a new play through of MEA after taking a break from it for a couple of months. Now I have been pretty critical of it mainly from comparing it to the trilogy. But last night as I was finishing up my first trip to EOS and establishing Prodromos I realized I was having fun damnit. Of course the patch has helped but still the base game is still pretty damn fun. Which leads me to believe that while much of the constructive criticism is valid at the same time this game is a victim of the internet hate mob. The damn meme posters have been wanting to bring this franchise down for years. If this game had been simply called Andromeda with all the ME references taken out (meaning none of the other MW races would be in it and references to the alliance were not in the game etc...) and it was made by a different dev then it would have not been attacked so aggressively. It angers me that there are people that downright have an agenda against this IP. This means nothing coming from you, bub. You've been by far BioWare's most zealous defender on the BSN since before ME3 was released. And you have been an obnoxious ass since the old bsn. Also you have not been paying attention the last couple of months I have actually been fairly critical of Andromeda. Regardless I am entitled to my opinion.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 16, 2017 18:01:42 GMT
Fine but playing it safe. That is the biggest problem...next game they don't have to play it so safe. Provided a next game comes out. Considering it had the 2nd best opening for a Mass Effect game, I don't see them abandoning the brand. Means nothing if it sells less than all of them in the long run - which is probably the case as it's nowhere near the top, or even middle of any sales tracking that you're gleaning your data from.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 16, 2017 18:04:45 GMT
Considering it had the 2nd best opening for a Mass Effect game, I don't see them abandoning the brand. Means nothing if it sells less than all of them in the long run - which is probably the case as it's nowhere near the top, or even middle of any sales tracking that you're gleaning your data from. The Mass Effect prophet of doom has spoken.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 16, 2017 18:09:46 GMT
Could what? So they could give the game a test run after bing burned by Inquisition and DA:2 and ME:3. Better to spend $5 and find out a game is not for you than pay $79.99 and have major regrets. I hope EA continues with early access on Origin, that’s the only way I’ll be playing any future Bioware games. except just as it goes for a book, a movie, a play, a large piece of music i don't think a whole game can be judged from the first 10% of game play . Did you buy it ? I don't know any stats regarding the matter, but i'd be curious to know how many didn't buy the game after the $5 preview. Uh - I think it's totally reasonable to not like something after experiencing 10% of it. If I'm reading an 800 page fantasy epic, and the first 80 pages suck, I'm not going to waste me time in hopes it gets better. If a two hour movie rental hasn't sucked me in after 25-30 mins, I'll gladly find something else to watch (although I'd argue the shorter something is, the more likely I'll get through it). Not judging something till you've experienced it fully seems an iIncredibly inefficient and indecisive way to live your life. Not to mention a waste of time, money and resources when there's better options all around you. Like Zelda, or H:ZD, or Nier, etc.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 16, 2017 18:17:14 GMT
except just as it goes for a book, a movie, a play, a large piece of music i don't think a whole game can be judged from the first 10% of game play . Did you buy it ? I don't know any stats regarding the matter, but i'd be curious to know how many didn't buy the game after the $5 preview. Uh - I think it's totally reasonable to not like something after experiencing 10% of it. If I'm reading an 800 page fantasy epic, and the first 80 pages suck, I'm not going to waste me time in hopes it gets better. If a two hour movie rental hasn't sucked me in after 25-30 mins, I'll gladly find something else to watch (although I'd argue the shorter something is, the more likely I'll get through it). Not judging something till you've experienced it fully seems an iIncredibly inefficient and indecisive way to live your life. Not to mention a waste of time, money and resources when there's better options all around you. Like Zelda, or H:ZD, or Nier, etc. Yeah that's not a closed minded mentality to have.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 16, 2017 18:27:41 GMT
Uh - I think it's totally reasonable to not like something after experiencing 10% of it. If I'm reading an 800 page fantasy epic, and the first 80 pages suck, I'm not going to waste me time in hopes it gets better. If a two hour movie rental hasn't sucked me in after 25-30 mins, I'll gladly find something else to watch (although I'd argue the shorter something is, the more likely I'll get through it). Not judging something till you've experienced it fully seems an iIncredibly inefficient and indecisive way to live your life. Not to mention a waste of time, money and resources when there's better options all around you. Like Zelda, or H:ZD, or Nier, etc. Yeah that's not a closed minded mentality to have. You must read a lot of shitty books, watch a lot of terrible movies, and play through an awful assortment of games. Not everyone has that sort of time to waste. That sort of mentality says a lot about you.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 16, 2017 18:31:07 GMT
Yeah that's not a closed minded mentality to have. You must read a lot of shitty books, watch a lot of terrible movies, and play through an awful assortment of games. Not everyone has that sort of time to waste. That sort of mentality says a lot about you. Ooh and now you want to be judgey this should be fun.
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Post by Sharable Horizon on Jun 16, 2017 18:36:38 GMT
Means nothing if it sells less than all of them in the long run - which is probably the case as it's nowhere near the top, or even middle of any sales tracking that you're gleaning your data from. The Mass Effect prophet of doom has spoken. You should have known that would trigger him!
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Post by piratesnugglecakes on Jun 16, 2017 19:07:23 GMT
I think another couple of months of polish might have made a huge difference to how it landed... Absolutely, the hate train that exists (and it does, don't be fooled. Ah... where is your tinfoil cap, by the way?) is real, but if the game had waited for patch 1.05 or even 1.08, the memes would be altogether different. The amount of hate thrown at the game would've come from opinionated members of YouTubes and not random folks who saw an opportunity to get some clicks. Andromeda, to me, was a shift from Unreal to Frostbite. That's it. Andromeda as a whole is a fun, good game. Does it have memorable characters? Yes. Does it have a good story at its core? Yes. However, the lack of polish, the broken game at start (it was broken for the PS4) and EA's terrible marketing just set up this title and the developers for failure. The DLC, if given an opportunity, will make Andromeda less of a 7 (in my opinion) and more deserving of an 8 or even an 9 if more than one substantial DLC (like Inquisition had) comes out to support it. Just no. Don't even say this game deserves a 9. It most certainly does not. It's got some good gameplay mechanics and I personally like the crafting. The story however is uninspired and boring and for a game of discovery and exploration, it has very little of anything new or interesting to discover. I had more fun scanning planets in the old game and reading the history of a given planet than driving around endlessly in MEA and shooting the SAME.F**KING.MONSTERS over and over and over and over and over and over again. You can patch silly animations and asari clones and well..maybe not Krogans slapping each other like prepubescent siblings having a temper tantrum but you can't patch a story that even the in game characters don't care about. There is not enough variety in this game and a silly grab-a** tone that feels out of place. Game play? 8 or 9 no problem. Story and characters? 5. Overall, patch until you turn blue, it doesn't deserve more than a seven and even that is generous. You give this game a nine, you need to go back and score other games that deliver a fantastic cohesive experience a higher score.
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except just as it goes for a book, a movie, a play, a large piece of music i don't think a whole game can be judged from the first 10% of game play . Did you buy it ? I don't know any stats regarding the matter, but i'd be curious to know how many didn't buy the game after the $5 preview. Uh - I think it's totally reasonable to not like something after experiencing 10% of it. If I'm reading an 800 page fantasy epic, and the first 80 pages suck, I'm not going to waste me time in hopes it gets better. If a two hour movie rental hasn't sucked me in after 25-30 mins, I'll gladly find something else to watch (although I'd argue the shorter something is, the more likely I'll get through it). Not judging something till you've experienced it fully seems an iIncredibly inefficient and indecisive way to live your life. Not to mention a waste of time, money and resources when there's better options all around you. Like Zelda, or H:ZD, or Nier, etc. blimey if i followed that logic i.probably wouldn't be enjoying any entertainment ever. Well maybe Harry potter or horatio hornblower. But no Thrones, no B5, no WD, certainly no ME or DA.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 19:21:53 GMT
except just as it goes for a book, a movie, a play, a large piece of music i don't think a whole game can be judged from the first 10% of game play . Did you buy it ? I don't know any stats regarding the matter, but i'd be curious to know how many didn't buy the game after the $5 preview. Uh - I think it's totally reasonable to not like something after experiencing 10% of it. If I'm reading an 800 page fantasy epic, and the first 80 pages suck, I'm not going to waste me time in hopes it gets better. If a two hour movie rental hasn't sucked me in after 25-30 mins, I'll gladly find something else to watch (although I'd argue the shorter something is, the more likely I'll get through it). Not judging something till you've experienced it fully seems an iIncredibly inefficient and indecisive way to live your life. Not to mention a waste of time, money and resources when there's better options all around you. Like Zelda, or H:ZD, or Nier, etc. Sure, it's perfectly reasonable to decide for yourself that you don't like something after doing a quick preview; however, it's also more likely that someone else who stuck with it longer may very reasonably disagree with your assessment and dismiss it in favor of opinions coming from people who have played more of the game than that. The problem is not that people who've only sampled 10% of the game don't like it. The problem is that they feel strongly compelled to try to convince anyone who comes here stating that they like the game that they're idiotic for liking it or that they have bad taste... and other insults that you've flung their way on this website over the past couple of months. Just as much as it is reasonable for someone to decide they don't like something, it is reasonable for others to decide that they do.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 16, 2017 19:23:14 GMT
Absolutely, the hate train that exists (and it does, don't be fooled. Ah... where is your tinfoil cap, by the way?) is real, but if the game had waited for patch 1.05 or even 1.08, the memes would be altogether different. The amount of hate thrown at the game would've come from opinionated members of YouTubes and not random folks who saw an opportunity to get some clicks. Andromeda, to me, was a shift from Unreal to Frostbite. That's it. Andromeda as a whole is a fun, good game. Does it have memorable characters? Yes. Does it have a good story at its core? Yes. However, the lack of polish, the broken game at start (it was broken for the PS4) and EA's terrible marketing just set up this title and the developers for failure. The DLC, if given an opportunity, will make Andromeda less of a 7 (in my opinion) and more deserving of an 8 or even an 9 if more than one substantial DLC (like Inquisition had) comes out to support it. Just no. Don't even say this game deserves a 9. It most certainly does not. It's got some good gameplay mechanics and I personally like the crafting. The story however is uninspired and boring and for a game of discovery and exploration, it has very little of anything new or interesting to discover. I had more fun scanning planets in the old game and reading the history of a given planet than driving around endlessly in MEA and shooting the SAME.F**KING.MONSTERS over and over and over and over and over and over again. You can patch silly animations and asari clones and well..maybe not Krogans slapping each other like prepubescent siblings having a temper tantrum but you can't patch a story that even the in game characters don't care about. There is not enough variety in this game and a silly grab-a** tone that feels out of place. Game play? 8 or 9 no problem. Story and characters? 5. Overall, patch until you turn blue, it doesn't deserve more than a seven and even that is generous. You give this game a nine, you need to go back and score other games that deliver a fantastic cohesive experience a higher score. I'd give this game a 9.2 or above. (That's Tier 1)
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