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Post by themikefest on Jun 22, 2017 21:15:04 GMT
Everything we've done is already irrelevant. So.... what do you propose to do that would make things relevant?
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Post by Iakus on Jun 22, 2017 21:41:51 GMT
Everything we've done is already irrelevant. So.... what do you propose to do that would make things relevant? Impossible. Not without a complete do-over of ME3 and possibly the entire trilogy. The whole point of MEA is to render what Shepard did irrelevant.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 22, 2017 21:55:03 GMT
Impossible. Not without a complete do-over of ME3 and possibly the entire trilogy. I agree about redoing ME3. If they do, put in the content that got cut because they didn't have enough time. Then remake the trilogy. In ME1, the player learns about the trip to another galaxy. Maybe even have Shepard meet Garson. When heading to the moon to deal with the rogue ai thing, Joker can mention the size of the ship the project is building. During the events of ME2, the player learns that some unnamed people donated a lot of resources to help get the project underway. The ships takeoff after the collectors have been dealt with. The player, or rather the characters in the game, don'tneed to know its some top-secret benefactor that donated the resources to get the ships out of the Milky Way before the reapers arrive. It can be assumed, but for all anyone knows, its all about exploration in Andromeda
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Post by Iakus on Jun 22, 2017 22:01:09 GMT
Impossible. Not without a complete do-over of ME3 and possibly the entire trilogy. I agree about redoing ME3. If they do, put in the content that got cut because they didn't have enough time. Then remake the trilogy. In ME1, the player learns about the trip to another galaxy. Maybe even have Shepard meet Garson. When heading to the moon to deal with the rogue ai thing, Joker can mention the size of the ship the project is building. During the events of ME2, the player learns that some unnamed people donated a lot of resources to help get the project underway. The ships takeoff after the collectors have been dealt with. The player, or rather the characters in the game, don'tneed to know its some top-secret benefactor that donated the resources to get the ships out of the Milky Way before the reapers arrive. It can be assumed, but for all anyone knows, its all about exploration in Andromeda That is slightly less likely to happen than a ME game heading back to the Milky Way anytime soon.
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Post by rolenka on Jun 22, 2017 22:27:21 GMT
Milky Way is played out. I was to know what happens in Andromeda.
A "Star Trek Voyager"-style perilous journey home might be OK, but I'm not sure how that would work in dark space. And they would have to come up with a reason.
For some reason the First Contact War doesn't really do it for me. Maybe because it's small potatoes compared to the high stakes in all the other games in the series. And because we already know how it ends. And you wouldn't really be able to be a freelancing space commando, you would have to be a soldier in an army.
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Post by rolenka on Jun 22, 2017 22:32:47 GMT
Other than a prequel, a side story, or some kind of time travel plot device to "fix" the endings to ME3 there isn't a way forward in the Milky Way. The only other option is a hard reboot of the series which maybe would work in another 5-10 years. They managed to make any MET ending canon to the player in MEA without saying what really happened, but implying any of the choices could have changed the MW. I see potential for a return since it is over 600 years later, but not until MEA's saga is over. Maybe if the destroy ending became canon. Control, synthesis and "YOLO LOL" all change the galaxy permanently in a way that cannot be sidestepped.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 0:35:24 GMT
The whole point of MEA is to render what Shepard did irrelevant. You seem to forget that Shepard's story is confined to the trilogy. It has to end somewhere. Otherwise, it just keeps going, and going, and going... At the end of ME3, you make your final decision which seals the fate of the trilogy. Like writing the last line in a book.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 23, 2017 0:44:16 GMT
So.... what do you propose to do that would make things relevant? Impossible. Not without a complete do-over of ME3 and possibly the entire trilogy. The whole point of MEA is to render what Shepard did irrelevant. I don't get that impression from Andromeda. If they wanted to make Shepard's story irrelevant, they could've made a canon ending and never mention Shepard at all. Andromeda as it is acknowledges Shepard just fine while leaving the endings you love so much intact.
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 23, 2017 1:05:44 GMT
I get the feeling this is one of those debates that depends on how the individual poster is defining "relevance."
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 23, 2017 1:09:28 GMT
Milky Way is played out. I was to know what happens in Andromeda. A "Star Trek Voyager"-style perilous journey home might be OK, but I'm not sure how that would work in dark space. And they would have to come up with a reason. For some reason the First Contact War doesn't really do it for me. Maybe because it's small potatoes compared to the high stakes in all the other games in the series. And because we already know how it ends. And you wouldn't really be able to be a freelancing space commando, you would have to be a soldier in an army.Calling it a "war" isn't even accurate. I don't know why some people are so eager to play a game set during this time. Practically all of the turian casualties would have to be because of the player since I think both sides had less than 1000. Not to mention I am just not a big fan of prequels especially in a setting that is supposed to be about taking place in the future. I would rather move forward and see what's next then re hash what I already know.
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Post by Steelcan on Jun 23, 2017 1:36:52 GMT
Impossible. Not without a complete do-over of ME3 and possibly the entire trilogy. The whole point of MEA is to render what Shepard did irrelevant. I don't get that impression from Andromeda. If they wanted to make Shepard's story irrelevant, they could've made a canon ending and never mention Shepard at all. Andromeda as it is acknowledges Shepard just fine while leaving the endings you love so much intact. All true, but Shepard's actions in the large scope of the franchise are now irrelevant. The Milky Way is just "over there" now
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 23, 2017 1:45:21 GMT
I don't get that impression from Andromeda. If they wanted to make Shepard's story irrelevant, they could've made a canon ending and never mention Shepard at all. Andromeda as it is acknowledges Shepard just fine while leaving the endings you love so much intact. All true, but Shepard's actions in the large scope of the franchise are now irrelevant. The Milky Way is just "over there" now Had Mass Effect 3 taken the Dragon Age Origins approach to its endgame and faction fates, it wouldn't be that way.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 23, 2017 2:12:15 GMT
All true, but Shepard's actions in the large scope of the franchise are now irrelevant. The Milky Way is just "over there" now Had Mass Effect 3 taken the Dragon Age Origins approach to its endgame and faction fates, it wouldn't be that way. The problem is they were trying to give the vocal community members what they were saying they wanted. They gave us choices that shaped the game world, now they have to go in another path. I think where we are can be attributed to at least party 'be careful what you wish for". Now it does seem BioWare trying to keep the scope of things smaller at least at this point so the future of entire species aren't something we decide.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 23, 2017 16:55:06 GMT
The whole point of MEA is to render what Shepard did irrelevant. You seem to forget that Shepard's story is confined to the trilogy. It has to end somewhere. Otherwise, it just keeps going, and going, and going... At the end of ME3, you make your final decision which seals the fate of the trilogy. Like writing the last line in a book. That would be true if Shepard's "final line" had not fundamentally altered the entire galaxy. As such, no further story can be told there without that story intruding on the new one. As such, the next game to either 1) canonize an end-state to the trilogy, or otherwise somehow render Shepard's actions irrelevant ("it was all a dream", etc) or 2) relocate someplace where Shepard's choice does not impinge on what's happening, thus rendering that story irrelevant for MEA's purposes. Thus we either stay in Andromeda, where Shepard's actions are irrelevant to what's happening there, or return to the Milky Way, and have Shepard's actions rendered irrelevant, because we CAN'T tell a story there otherwise.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 23, 2017 16:57:58 GMT
All true, but Shepard's actions in the large scope of the franchise are now irrelevant. The Milky Way is just "over there" now Had Mass Effect 3 taken the Dragon Age Origins approach to its endgame and faction fates, it wouldn't be that way. Dragon Age is doing the exact same thing on a smaller scale, limiting the events to a single nation, rather than an entire galaxy. Sooner or later, we will run out of places in Thedas to visit.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 23, 2017 16:59:19 GMT
I get the feeling this is one of those debates that depends on how the individual poster is defining "relevance." In a sense. But I think the existence of governments, species, even entire planets make for pretty "relevant" states.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 23, 2017 17:06:36 GMT
Impossible. Not without a complete do-over of ME3 and possibly the entire trilogy. The whole point of MEA is to render what Shepard did irrelevant. I don't get that impression from Andromeda. If they wanted to make Shepard's story irrelevant, they could've made a canon ending and never mention Shepard at all. Andromeda as it is acknowledges Shepard just fine while leaving the endings you love so much intact. Agreed. If they wanted to sweep the OT away they wouldn't acknowledge it at all.
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 23, 2017 17:47:29 GMT
You seem to forget that Shepard's story is confined to the trilogy. It has to end somewhere. Otherwise, it just keeps going, and going, and going... At the end of ME3, you make your final decision which seals the fate of the trilogy. Like writing the last line in a book. That would be true if Shepard's "final line" had not fundamentally altered the entire galaxy. As such, no further story can be told there without that story intruding on the new one. Didn't that ship sail after Rannoch? (Not Tuchanka, because the cure/no cure status is easy enough to subsequently change.)
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Post by Iakus on Jun 23, 2017 18:15:41 GMT
That would be true if Shepard's "final line" had not fundamentally altered the entire galaxy. As such, no further story can be told there without that story intruding on the new one. Didn't that ship sail after Rannoch? (Not Tuchanka, because the cure/no cure status is easy enough to subsequently change.) This is why I said that going back to the Milky Way would require a complete do over of ME3, if not the entire Shepard trilogy. Again, unless they want to establish a canon
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Post by Reorte on Jun 23, 2017 18:21:58 GMT
That would be true if Shepard's "final line" had not fundamentally altered the entire galaxy. As such, no further story can be told there without that story intruding on the new one. Didn't that ship sail after Rannoch? (Not Tuchanka, because the cure/no cure status is easy enough to subsequently change.) It's less convincing to weave around Rannoch (can rebuild the geth / there were still some quarians elsewhere). There are obviously problems with that but it's not impossible. The ending differences are more insurmountable. Making galaxy-changing choices was really stupid.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 23, 2017 19:05:54 GMT
This is why I said that going back to the Milky Way would require a complete do over of ME3, if not the entire Shepard trilogy. I would not have a problem if they redo ME3 or even the whole trilogy, but they could change the ending of ME3 so they can continue in the Milky Way. I don't see a problem with that. Destroy will be canon. excellent
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Post by Iakus on Jun 23, 2017 19:09:06 GMT
This is why I said that going back to the Milky Way would require a complete do over of ME3, if not the entire Shepard trilogy. I would not have a problem if they redo ME3 or even the whole trilogy, but they could change the ending of ME3 so they can continue in the Milky Way. I don't see a problem with that. Destroy will be canon. excellent You may not have a problem with it, but I do not see it ever happening.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 23, 2017 19:13:01 GMT
You may not have a problem with it, but I do not see it ever happening. You wouldn't if the geth and the edibot weren't destroyed.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 23, 2017 19:27:08 GMT
You may not have a problem with it, but I do not see it ever happening. You wouldn't if the geth and the edibot weren't destroyed. What I wasn't isn't the issue though. They simply won't because it is their "art" That they set MEA in Andromeda rather than setting a canon pretty well demonstrates that. They are NOT going back to the Milky Way anytime soon. Not unless there's some serious turnover among the Powers that Be.
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